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  • Guide plates for end work drill fixture. for titanium parts I'm working on.

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  • @dorseyharrington
    @dorseyharrington 4 роки тому

    I'm learning a lot by watching these videos, Not that aspire to be a CNC machinist, but I always enjoy watching an accomplished person execute their craft. From programming to tool section to setup and prep work, it's all interesting. For example, it wouldn't have occurred to me to use a pin gauge to set zero prior to starting an operation. And on and on. Thank you for this treasure trove of fascinating information.

    • @dorseyharrington
      @dorseyharrington 4 роки тому

      I should mention that I'm a hobbyist who learned what little I know from books and trial-and-error using the industrial-grade manual lathe and vertical mill at a local community college's welding shop where I became friends with the welding instructor who happened to have them in his shop. A mistake was to not take a couple of decent machine shop night school courses 30 years ago to get the fundamentals from a professional and who could have showed me procedural steps and explained right vs. wrong. By the way, my "day job" is CTO at an Internet company, so this has been a relaxing hobby for me over the years.

  • @jimsvideos7201
    @jimsvideos7201 4 роки тому +9

    What a sublime treat for a Friday! The operation to round off the corners was particularly engaging, even if it was comparatively rough work.

  • @kyledombrowski7051
    @kyledombrowski7051 4 роки тому +9

    I hope someday I can work somewhere that allows me the freedom to take my time and tackle jobs the right way with tools like this

  • @kwasg3
    @kwasg3 4 роки тому +1

    I admire your precision, and one thing I am learning from your techniques you show in your videos is patience. Not knowing each other, you can't imagine how big of a compliment that is intended to be!

  • @WilliamTMusil
    @WilliamTMusil 4 роки тому +2

    I love watching Adam, Tom, Stan, and Kieth as much as the next guy, but these videos blow my mind.

  • @davenicholson3491
    @davenicholson3491 4 роки тому +8

    I like the way u use the full flute cutting surface of your end mill. Hate seeing people using just the bottom 2mm of an end mill.

    • @MysticalDork
      @MysticalDork 4 роки тому +3

      Same. You pay for a 3/4 flute length, use the whole thing! If you're only gonna use the bottom 2mm, get a high feed endmill designed for that. :P

    • @xenonram
      @xenonram 4 роки тому +3

      Yes, full axial, shallow radial DOC. It's stronger that way too.

  • @63256325N
    @63256325N 4 роки тому

    You knowledge of these machines is invaluable. Anybody would be lucky to have something built by you.
    Really fascinating to watch.
    Thanks for all the videos.

  • @pkav8tor
    @pkav8tor 4 роки тому +3

    You have fun toys .... that optical tool setup is very cool. The editing is fantastic. Your getting good at this!! Thanks for sharing

  • @michaeljefferson2386
    @michaeljefferson2386 4 роки тому

    Thank you! with no words you have made a demanding process as clear as glass.

  • @micahhunter2706
    @micahhunter2706 4 роки тому +1

    I love how you videos are sometimes just one offs on the integrex. I've never ran a 5 axis machine but I can run machines like you do if I have enough time. My bosses say I'm too exact even when I'm fudging it. But it's cool to see you whip around that big complex machine just for a simple part and you achieve the high tolerance. The only type of jobs I get to do like this are fixtures. The other half of my programming is for parts that have been manufactured for 40 years or more. So at least I have a lot of parts I get to optimize programs for but they're somewhat low tolerance and other people run the machines after I proof them out. It's nice to see something different every day out of your videos.

  • @Davemcmasters
    @Davemcmasters 4 роки тому

    I like the Charlie Chaplinish videos you do where you just show the work with barely any audio. No messing around just doing work! Great video !

    • @ehamster
      @ehamster 4 роки тому

      Dave Mcmasters so do I, but I wouldn’t want Peter to drop the other style. A mix of talkie videos, and mute hard core machining is fine with me,

  • @katawatenshu
    @katawatenshu 4 роки тому +1

    What an absolute master, thanks for these videos

  • @Musicalbullet
    @Musicalbullet 4 роки тому +2

    I could watch this all day

  • @nethoncho
    @nethoncho 4 роки тому +17

    This is more entertaining than the movies 😎

  • @billdlv
    @billdlv 4 роки тому +1

    Nice work Peter. It's interesting to see all the measuring gear required to do work at your level.

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому

      Thanks Bill. Yes over the years I have accumulated quit a bit of measuring tools.

  • @cnc-ua
    @cnc-ua 4 роки тому

    Love seeing your work.
    Thanks for sharing.
    Hey from Ukraine

  • @Toolman22364
    @Toolman22364 4 роки тому +2

    Awesome video Sir 👍👍👍👍

  • @TrPrecisionMachining
    @TrPrecisionMachining 4 роки тому

    Un autentico placer seguir tu canal..te deseo felices fiestas y un aun mas prospero año 2020

  • @mattm7535
    @mattm7535 4 роки тому +3

    I watch a lot of machinists on UA-cam and your videos are my favorite. Very methodical and you do a great job explaining your end goals and why you go about things a certain way... great camera work as well. Sorry about the slight damage to your machine because of filming.
    Were you able to use any of the program from the previous part this is based on? Or did you have to/was it faster to start from scratch?

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому +1

      The other parts we had the internal key EDM machined in. On these parts I’m going to shape the key with the tool I made in the video on it. So the program will be different.

    • @mattm7535
      @mattm7535 4 роки тому +2

      @@EdgePrecision I'm sorry, I meant the hole drilling fixture.

  • @AverilWard
    @AverilWard 4 роки тому +6

    Love seeing you work, really motivates me to keep learning!
    Currently working as a machinist at a job shop where we mostly handcode everything, so we get to play around with lots of different tooling and techniques.
    Watching your videos and following your process is really inspiring to me.
    I noticed you pointing out those dimples on the capto connectors... I always line them up but I'm not really sure why? Do you know their purpose?

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому +7

      They just indicate the way the coupling lines up. They won’t go together if you don’t line them up. There is a notch in the male shank and a pin in the female coupling. The dimples are on the same side.

    • @AverilWard
      @AverilWard 4 роки тому

      @@EdgePrecisionThanks for replying!
      I see! So that's what those studs are for.. We tighten them with the threaded bar, so we can actually put them in "wrong", not sure if it matters then.

  • @dennyskerb4992
    @dennyskerb4992 4 роки тому +3

    Awesome Peter

  • @billwassard2505
    @billwassard2505 4 роки тому

    As always excellent machine work...

  • @toolbox-gua
    @toolbox-gua 4 роки тому

    I got it on Saturday. Perfect start.

  • @1903A3shooter
    @1903A3shooter 4 роки тому +1

    WOW, very impressive, Modern Machine Shop magazine has nothing on you.

  • @Dr_Petey_Wheatstraw
    @Dr_Petey_Wheatstraw 4 роки тому +2

    Hi Peter, you've shown that Speroni optical setup quite a few times, but I have no clue how it works or what it's doing. Would you mind doing a quick video on its capabilities, and why you use it? Alternatively, if there's a written resource I could consult to understand it better.
    Thanks.

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому +3

      It just a optical tool setter. You use it to measure the length and diameter of tools. So you can set your offsets in the machine. I mostly us it for the horizontal mill it’s next to. But in this video I’m rough setting the diameter of the boring head.

  • @mehmettemel8725
    @mehmettemel8725 4 роки тому +6

    Just trying to understand why you're starting with a square material and milling it round rather than start with a round piece.I'm sure there is a reason for it.

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому +11

      It’s Starrett flat stock. It’s just a piece I happened to have. I didn’t have any 3” diameter round. Plus the Starrett flat is precision ground to thickness.

    • @xenonram
      @xenonram 4 роки тому +3

      Watch the first video about the drill guides, from a couple days ago.

  • @micahhunter2706
    @micahhunter2706 4 роки тому

    That was so cool! I have always wondered how you prepared the boring heads. I always thought you touched them off to the work piece prior to filming.

  • @jamespershken5594
    @jamespershken5594 4 роки тому +2

    Hi Peter thanks for putting out so many videos lately. I am wondering about the C axis milling like when you rough the corners round. Is your CAM able to do constant surface speed for this similar to how a lathe increases RPM as you go down in diameter? I imagine it doesn't matter much for this particular operation but just curious if it might be beneficial in more extreme scenarios.
    I do a C-axis part where I'm milling pockets with the tool oriented along the radial direction (so different points on the length of the tool are getting different feeds from the C rotation), and I was confused if I should do feed/speed based on large diameter, small diameter, or average of the two. I forget what I ended up doing but it works I guess.

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому +2

      The surface footage in milling would be in relation to the diameter and speed of the milling tool. But in rotary milling with the cutter perpendicular to the rotary axis the chip load can vary depending on the depth of cut and diameter. Plus the feed or rotation speed of the rotary axis. I would say that the larger diameter would be the one to use. To not overload the cutter with to much feed per tooth.

    • @kisspeteristvan
      @kisspeteristvan 4 роки тому +2

      With rotating tools (endmill in this case) you have a set cutting speed of let's say 500sfm , you calculate your rpm based on the dia of the cutter and after that it's always constant surface speed , because , the rotating element , in this case tool does Not change it's diameter . So it's not like turning .

    • @jamespershken5594
      @jamespershken5594 4 роки тому

      @@kisspeteristvan thanks well I'm still confused on the feedrate like if the c axis feeds at a constant degree per minute, as you go down in dia wouldn't the feedrate go down? Or does it account for this and is not feeding in constant degrees per min

    • @jamespershken5594
      @jamespershken5594 4 роки тому

      @@EdgePrecision thanks Peter that makes sense, hope you have a good weekend

    • @kisspeteristvan
      @kisspeteristvan 4 роки тому

      @@jamespershken5594 C axis rotation rate will increase on smaller sizes of course, to keep up with the feed programmed , but it has nothing to do with constant surface speed . It's best to see a machine in action to understand . example : if you mill a huge hex on the C ax 40 ipm feed will give you probably less than 1 rpm . But if you mill a 1/2" hex , 40 ipm might give you 10 rpms , but this is Not ConstantSurfaceSpeed . I hope it makes some sense .

  • @jaredmaxwell2678
    @jaredmaxwell2678 4 роки тому +1

    When you were checking the fit with those gauge blocks, did you run a spring pass or take a little more cut? I'm curious how you walked that cut in.

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому +3

      Yes the first cut was a little tight. So I ran another. At the same settings a spring pass. That seemed to work.

  • @JlerchTampa
    @JlerchTampa 4 роки тому

    4:48 Neat, I wonder why it does that? Oh Right, the mill spindle travel can't go below the center of the chuck spindle. Why do I know this? I've never touched a CNC Mill. :) Also, your shop has the best background music! I can almost visualize what the other machines are doing while watching what your machine is doing. (Not being funny, it really is awesome!)

  • @addisme7561
    @addisme7561 4 роки тому

    Joy as always Peter.

  • @paulmace7910
    @paulmace7910 4 роки тому

    Awesome as always. The optical setter thing gets pretty close. Is there a way to set a boring bar first time or do you always have to sneak up on it?

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому

      Depending on the tolerance of the hole. If it’s less than .001 I would say no. Even with a tool setter there is variation between the tool in the setters spindle and the machines. Also the tool is rotating in the machines spindle and there is pressure on the tool. So everything influences the size of the bore.

  • @juanyamasaki9930
    @juanyamasaki9930 4 роки тому

    hi i live in a palm and coffee plantation south of Mexico i have cnc low cost lathe ,and seeing a man work like that is inspiring ,keep doing it man ,by the way did you change the spindle of your mazak from 50 solid cone to hsk? my name is juan yamasaki maza

  • @guysthisisntreal.1057
    @guysthisisntreal.1057 4 роки тому

    Sweet, 2 minutes in, and have roundstock!

  • @captcarlos
    @captcarlos 4 роки тому

    Love your work.
    I just bought a bunch, I think 20, of those die test bore gauges but have no (what I assume is a) setting gauge. How difficult is it to set '0' using an outside micrometer?
    Or if you could suggest some other method?
    A quick, ha, vidio on some of your measurement tools and techniques would be inspirational!
    Thank you very much for your videos, I'm not sure you understand just how helpful and effective they are to pass on knowledge and masterful technique.
    Carl from Oz.

  • @inuyashacoolieo
    @inuyashacoolieo 3 роки тому

    I see you like to touch tools off the part using a pin. You do the O.D. for a vertical (radial) tool and the face for a Horizontal (axial) tool. How would you touch off a tool if you were at an angle such as 45deg? Or even some random odd ball angle? Is the machine able to compensate for that on its own without using CAM or special codes? Would you just touch it off on the O.D. or Face and let the machine figure it out? Does it automatically know the Pivot length of the tool and where the tip is?

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  3 роки тому

      When touching off a tool. All you are doing is measuring the length of the tool from the gauge line of the spindle. It could be done away from the machine with a tool setter. There would be no reason to touch on off at any angle other than B zero or B 90 degrees on the Integrex machine. The machine compensates for all other B axis angles.

  • @gman5986
    @gman5986 4 роки тому

    I just found your site today and this is the second video and I must thank you for taking the time and effort to produce these videos. Just awesome! What make and model of machine are you useing in this video? What Cad Design and programming software are you useing?....................New Sub here :)

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому

      The mill turn machine is a Mazak e650H. The software's I use are. For Cad SpaceClaim and Fusion. For Cam Esprit TNG.

    • @gman5986
      @gman5986 4 роки тому

      @@EdgePrecision Thank you much for the super quick response. Amazing machine tool technology with this one. What kind of tolerance can this machine hold? What are you doing these days? Are you still renting from what use to be your shop? May I ask why did you sell your shop? This is the type of work I use to do . Its really cake work compared to machining metals but high technology and very expensive machines. ua-cam.com/video/nNP0NnVzqno/v-deo.html

  • @StevenChmielnicki
    @StevenChmielnicki 4 роки тому

    Any reason it drills/bores the first hole and then rotates the part ~180 to do the rest of the holes? Or is it just how it CAMs out?
    I really enjoy your videos. Thank you!

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому

      On this machine there is only -10 mm X minus travel. So in order not to over travel the X axis I have to rotate the C axis 180 to get the holes below Center-line.

  • @XinPaotau
    @XinPaotau 3 роки тому

    hey i have two questions: do you always program everything yourself? could you show how you program your machine,? today i saw for the first time that the part with the main spindle can move, cool machine

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  3 роки тому

      Yes I do all of my own programming. I have in other videos show a little of how and what cam software I use. I do plan to show more of this in the future. Thanks!

  • @mikebrowne5152
    @mikebrowne5152 4 роки тому +1

    Nice work! Are you backing the insert away from the bore with the boring head before the tool pulls out of the hole so it doesn't drag? If so how are you programming that?

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому +3

      It’s a bore orient retract cycle. G75 on the Mazak.

    • @mikebrowne5152
      @mikebrowne5152 4 роки тому +1

      @@EdgePrecision Great to know that exists. On the HAAS they call it fine boring G76, just looked it up. Thanks for the reply.

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому +1

      Mike Browne the G76 is also a boring cycle on the Mazak. The G75 just has more parameters. For one thing it stops feed at the Z target than backs up just a little (depends on your setting) than orients retracts and rapids out. So if you are boring to a flat bottom, it doesn’t orient and stop with the tool in contact with the bottom face.

    • @SuperAWaC
      @SuperAWaC 4 роки тому

      everything between g1 to g99 should be the same on any mill

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому +1

      @@SuperAWaC not exactly. When it comes to special cycles (some people call canned cycles). These are custom G codes and can vary from control to control.

  • @tomsemo8186
    @tomsemo8186 4 роки тому +2

    Good Stuff.

  • @mikemichelizzi2023
    @mikemichelizzi2023 4 роки тому +2

    Is there a benefit to milling the corners off individually or is there just no need to save a little time by continuously rotating the work as you work towards the finished diameter? Or is there something else I'm not thinking about?

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому +3

      It’s just a standard adaptive roughing cycle. That’s how the cam software does it.

    • @mikemichelizzi2023
      @mikemichelizzi2023 4 роки тому +1

      @@EdgePrecision Thanks!

    • @Sicktrickintuner
      @Sicktrickintuner 4 роки тому

      The software tries to make even cuts and got to take the longer corners off first. Then work on a round diameter. Works the same way with a standard vertical mill when making rounded corners on a part. Just this one has a benefit of being a lathe also.

    • @mikemichelizzi2023
      @mikemichelizzi2023 4 роки тому

      @@Sicktrickintuner Thanks for the detail! I was thinking that a program optimized for time would probably keep turning the work in the same direction, taking the first pass off all four corners (or the one extending the furthest depending on how the stock was centered) and then move the tool closer to center for the next pass after all four corners had been hit. I figure that would save all the time turning the part in the opposite direction when it's not cutting.

    • @AlMg1SiCu
      @AlMg1SiCu 4 роки тому

      @@mikemichelizzi2023 Luckily for prototypes and low-volume work like Peter does, you don't have to split hairs over a few seconds here and there. The programming, planning, and setup time usually dwarf the runtime, and usually you care less if the CAM software truly chose the most efficient toolpath than if the part ran successfully and that the process is stable. On small quantities it's easy to spend far more time trying to eek every last second out of a cycle than you'd ever save on a couple dozen parts.

  • @MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc
    @MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc 4 роки тому

    I enjoy your videos, one little thing, could you use punctuation in your subtitling? It would make it flow better! Thanks, Matthew

  • @joedell71
    @joedell71 4 роки тому

    Great video. Why did you start with a piece of rectangular stock? Why not just use round stock from the start?

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому +1

      It a piece of Starrett ground flat stock that I already had. It was just a matter of using what was on hand. No other reason.

    • @joedell71
      @joedell71 4 роки тому

      Edge Precision ahh ok I thought maybe it was something like that.

  • @koryputnam5816
    @koryputnam5816 4 роки тому

    @Edge Precision what kind of dial bore gauges do you have and where can i find them? My shop has the long ones, i like those stubby ones you use.

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому +2

      Those are DieTest small bore gauges.

  • @jesussaves1079
    @jesussaves1079 4 роки тому

    I'd love to work in that shop

  • @hansBD
    @hansBD 4 роки тому

    Bonito taller amigo...pero ten en cuenta él orden

  • @kwasg3
    @kwasg3 4 роки тому

    ...Well at least we have some of the same equipment... that is to say I too have that Abom shirt! other than that... lol.... SERIOUS question, watching the vids and noticing the various backgrounds, have you ever compiled for insurance or depreciation or something, the replacement value of the tooling you have?! Rhetorical question I guess but I find it quite illustrative that the finer points of any mechanical production process require more and more tooling to be efficient.. Just musing.

  • @theweekender25
    @theweekender25 4 роки тому

    Can these machines be found at Home Depot?

  • @raybrown5890
    @raybrown5890 4 роки тому

    great job!!

  • @amartinez9390
    @amartinez9390 4 роки тому +1

    It's 2 thumbs up for me.

  • @alexgregg2466
    @alexgregg2466 4 роки тому

    What was the length and diameter of that material when you put in the lathe.

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому +1

      You talking about the fixture? If so 6.75 diameter x 8” long.

  • @Sicktrickintuner
    @Sicktrickintuner 4 роки тому

    I was beginning to wonder the tolerance of those holes when the calipers came out. Then the bore gauge after.

    • @AlMg1SiCu
      @AlMg1SiCu 4 роки тому

      Yeah, I made a funny face at first too but then realized it was probably just a sanity check to make sure he was in the ballpark before shoving a bore gauge in there

  • @danielmachado6750
    @danielmachado6750 4 роки тому

    Daniel Machado - Brazil.

  • @rupert5390
    @rupert5390 4 роки тому

    This is a serious comment and not a fan club type question - you demonstrate what appears to be extremely high level skill at set of master level (and knowledge, i.e. clocking the part and spindle whilst jogging it around through 360 degrees) - is your level of machining knowledge common in the states or are you some sort of CNC savant?? serious question.

    • @AlMg1SiCu
      @AlMg1SiCu 4 роки тому

      I'd say closer to the latter. There are some people with serious skills out there, but I wouldn't say it's common by any means.

    • @rupert5390
      @rupert5390 4 роки тому

      Thanks Nick I know this guy does not like to brag and would never answer the question himself I just wondered how way up thre he is - i'm constantly blown away with how much he knows. here where I come from the onslaught of chinese manufactured goods has essentially destroyed local manufacturing and we've lost all or most of our engineering machining knowledge - we're now mainly waiters barristas and counsellors.

  • @robertsnare3529
    @robertsnare3529 4 роки тому

    do you need help? I love what you do.. maybe a deburrer guy.. OLDE time machinist.. seriously.. Stock prep, tool room? oiling machines.. chip cleaning? routine maint on equip? TOOL grinding? I know how I think.. just need machine? I get it really do.. :)

  • @toankhuat2054
    @toankhuat2054 4 роки тому

    Sao ko lấy miếng sắt tròn cho vào tiện cho nhanh nhỉ ?????

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому

      Nó chỉ là một phần vật liệu tôi đã có. Vì vậy, tôi đã sử dụng nó. Không có lý do khác. Cảm ơn Toàn Khuat.

  • @br1ckify
    @br1ckify 4 роки тому

    i would kill for a machine like dis .....

  • @othmanabas8431
    @othmanabas8431 4 роки тому

    👏👍💎

  • @basharalngar1567
    @basharalngar1567 4 роки тому

    Hey how are you shouted
    What is the name of this device 13:00

  • @curtisvonepp4335
    @curtisvonepp4335 4 роки тому

    Petter that's a veary Holly job the Vatican is veary proud of you .🐤🐤🐤😁

  • @hoangkim19-90
    @hoangkim19-90 4 роки тому

    🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

  • @zyrdima
    @zyrdima 4 роки тому

    От чего эти детали и для чего ? Кухонный комбайн чтоли)))

    • @kabassik1900
      @kabassik1900 4 роки тому

      zyrdima Это часть специального приспособления-кондуктора для сверления глубоких отверстий. В кондукторе сверло входит в направляющие отверстия и это позволяет ему засверлиться в деталь не сломавшись. Деталь, для которой Петер делает этот кондуктор показана ранее на канале. В одном из прошлых роликов он делал специальный инструмент для долбления своего рода шпонки внутри детали. Паз в направляющих пластинах из этого ролика как-раз и нужен для ориентации по этой шпонке.

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому +1

      zyrdima, Посмотрите мое предыдущее видео. Это будет более понятно.

  • @skeezie5971
    @skeezie5971 4 роки тому

    The amount of chances for Bozo to show up in this series is mind boggling.

  • @literoadie3502
    @literoadie3502 4 роки тому

    666 views right now!

  • @thefreedomguyuk
    @thefreedomguyuk 4 роки тому

    Impressive. But I prefer Abom (-;

  • @diditwork370
    @diditwork370 4 роки тому

    NC post error : multiple tools in same tool #

    • @EdgePrecision
      @EdgePrecision  4 роки тому

      No I wanted to use the same tool holders for the next tools. That’s why I war removing the tool after it was done. I have a lot of tools setup to do the previous operation. I still have three parts to do on that operation. So I didn’t want to disturb that setup yet.

    • @diditwork370
      @diditwork370 4 роки тому

      @@EdgePrecision I understand 100% I program an older machine with only 32 pockets so I often find myself also using the same holder for multiple tools for random set ups. I don't have the luxury of being able to assign them all separate tool numbers with out disturbing the most commonly used tools. I was just trying to make a joke. Honestly you could probably save yourself some time by assigning them the same tool number if you're going to pull it out and re touch off anyway.