Peter, I work at a small shop in Lower DE and a couple of us here watch all your videos and if anything makes us want to come to work and do a better job then we already do it is you and we don’t know what we would do if you stop posting these videos so please keep them coming and Thank You!!!
Being used to conventional manual movements on lathes and milling machines, I find this somewhat, like miracles in the making. I am used with working the old type of machine where I always am in contact, but this machine "has a vast memory of its own and does not need the operator most of the time, but just obeys his orders. Such accuracy and what I admire most is the calmness of the gentleman commenting and programming and completely trusting his machine, he is so sure of the allegiance of the machine to his orders. That machine is a faithful slave or better still a good friend............ but to be honest, I would be scared to see all that powerful synchronized motions and rotations, all the time hoping that it will obey all the operator demands. Congratulations on your work, so beautiful and so elegant, with mind, body, and machine working together in a harmonious manner which I shall never experience.
thanks again i watch most machining videos but you and rob are my favorite. there are so many good ones but you take the cake and eat it too! love it so much and always look forward to seeing more.
Came here after an AvE video called you out as a master craftsman. I don't know my ass from my elbow when it comes to tooling but it sure is fun to watch someone doing this work while describing what they're doing. Thanks for sharing :D
I like your videos. You do a great job explaining all the details. Please know that sharing your knowledge is greatly appreciated. I just found your channel and I can't get enough of it. Keep up the good work.
I did a job a little was back and thay bought me one of those pencil grinders for deburing some inside grooves and i got to keep it when the job was done i have bin useing it ever since on everything i definitely recommend buying one for anyone doing this type of work
I never us the Mazatrol control for anything more than boring chuck jaws. Everything I do is programmed in Cam of of solid models. And most of the time I even bore chuck jaws with the Cam software as well. It's not that I dont like Mazatrol. It is very good for straight lathe work. For milling I'm not so impressed. There are guys here at Centerline that do very impressive milling tasks with it but I prefer using Cam generated programs. The job depicted in this video would have been easy to do straight on the Mazatrol.
Thanks. Roughly how many hours programming go into an hours machining? I am just playing with a little MAHO 400E in my basement, and the programming part takes me ages.
Edge Precision Peter you should try to do a demo with someone from Mazak on the new smoothg controller. We just purchased a new qt200-msy and I find the Mazatrol programming to be very powerful. Very easy to do pretty complex milling and turning.
Sorry that I have said in the first vedio that is lot of waste material I didn't realize that u have made the second video. So just I wanna say it's wonderful work
Bougrine Hatem it’s OK. The way jobs I run are usually done to a customers plan for material and it’s size. If the customer wants to start with a certain size stock and machine it all away. Than that’s what I do. If they are willing to pay for it. It’s their product.
Your powerful and carbide tip hand grinder will easily damage your nicely finished part if it is carelessly operated。Finishing them on machine is better, although it needs 5 axis programming。 Anyway it is a very nice video!
Doug Ankrum On CNC lathe in the G96 mode (constant surface finish) the machine will increase speed as the diameter decreases. So on a facing cut the speed will increase until you reach the maximum rpm of the machine or the max speed you specify in your G50 command. For speed limitation.
Search NSK Espert 500. You will see. They are expensive. But I have had this one for maybe 12 years and it still works good. I just recently bought another motor and spindle for 1/4” shank tools as well.
I think it’s a Noga arm. If you are talking about the one I use in the spindle. It’s a older on with a smaller knob. The new ones have this bigger plastic knob I don’t care for. All the mag bases I use are also Noga brand.
Depending on how convoluted the chamfer methods are in the software, sometimes you can't just select a basic edge and expect the tool to follow it at certain diameter and be done. :( And since these particular edges meet at a few pinch points that can cause easy gouges, it makes it next to impossible without a bunch of workarounds.
I have never heard of offsetting the C-axis. Can't you just orientate the model differently in your CAM software and post different C values for jaw clearance? I guess it is one in the same? Great work, thanks for sharing.
The C axis has a fixture offset just like any other axis. It isn't necessary to reprocess code just change the angle or zero point of your offset. Its totally necessary to be able to set a zero point for the C axis otherwise how would you align to the part in the rotational direction.
The machine is just a robot. It has servo motors that rotate ball screws that have encoders that feed back position to the controller. Although it can position quite accurately none of this guarantees the parts accuracy. The man running the robot/ machine determines that. The machine just follows the path programmed. It knows nothing more than that. It knows no part dimensions or anything about the part.
It is very nice to watch the Professional at work :) Q: What is the best strategy (left side , right , both sides) to cut STUB ACME and ACME Threads and High Pitch Threads. Also did you use Mazatrol to program this specific thread or SpaceCIaim?
The cutting strategy I use for all but the courses threads is to feed straight in. With a constant area cut depth. On this large of a machine that works fine for everything from say four pitch and finer. For a courser pitch I might use a zigzag type of pattern of in feed. The cam software I use is Esprit. I program all threads with that software. I almost never use the Mazatrol. Maybe for boring soft jaws, most of the time not even for that.
Let me ask you a question can you make an engine block on that machine? if you can which machine do you have for me to look for! I want to do or try to do some upgrades on a 427, sometimes called the L-88,
It could be possible but I don’t think it would be the most ideal. Something like a 5axis horizontal mill might be better. Or it could be done on just a 4axis horizontal mill as well. Just more operations.
@@EdgePrecision Which machine would you recommend to buy for this kind of work, we are a small group of mechanics 3 to be exact, not part changers, we do some designing ourselves on our lathe's and we want to grow up so to speak, we deal in heavy equipment and High performance racing equipment and engines like the 427 L-88 to be particular, and we want to try to redesign that particular engine, I know it sounds like a joke, Hehehehe Except that is what we are about! so maybe you can steer me in the direction I need to be in, I know we really need a 5 axis machine, except most do not have the room to fit any engine block in them, just from looking at them, which is why I asked you that question I see your machine has room to spare, Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. God Bless and Thank You for your Help, PS Please do not stop educating all of us as your work in education is worth ever moment in teaching everyone of us as not many people care to do that unless they are very well paid, again thank You for all your Videos, and please take as long as you need in explaining because that is the real making of a professor which you have shown yourself to be! Thank You AGain
You are asking for advise on this but I don't know if I can help. I don't anymore keep up with the latest machines. so i'm not sure what to tell you. I would like to help you but I have to admit I don't think I can. There are to many variables the size of the part the amount of money you can afford to spent exct. To me but see I don't know your situation this is a awful lot of money to spend just to modify a engine block. As I say I Don't know your situation.
Thomas D Harrell I’ll fight you for it lol. Bet that sucker is heavy! Went in one of the bigger shops around town the other day and saw a few new Mazak lathes. I was like what that one cost, $350K? He was like nah, $800K. I was like 😱
Да машина может. Но иногда для нескольких деталей проще просто сделать это вручную. Вместо того, чтобы создавать программу, устанавливающую инструмент и проверять эту программу, рискуя ошибиться. Для многих частей это может стоить того.
I’m not sure what your asking. Are you saying you want to deburr the entry of the hole. Also what kind of cooper is it and how good of a deburr job is required. Do they specify a radius finish exc.?
The reason I use a 4-Jaw chuck is it fits the type of work I do better. Also I get the full spindle bore size. This was also important to me. Although it isn't efficient for this kind of job. This isn't the kind of job I usually do. Most jobs I do get chucked and stay there for a whole day or two. So being able to dial in the runout perfectly is more important than time. Another thing a manual 4-jaw isn't as susceptible to spindle speed and chucking strength (Chuck opening due to spindle speed) as a hydraulic chuck.
Edge Precision have you ever had to use the ATC recovery mode/step function on your intergrex? a mazak vtc800 mill at work had a power failure during a toolchange and nobody can remember the sequence to get the toolchange carrier/arm to reset itself, luckilythe mill does not get ysed much, only for bigger jobs
When I bought my machine it came to me in pieces and I assembled it and installed it. it has a Mazatrol 640M Pro control(yours may be different). On this control there is no ATC recovery mode that I am aware of (If there is I have never used it). I have had many tool changer issues mostly my own fault) . What I do is go into the Machine Mode (The key with the little wrench on it) Than to ATC than enable interlock cancel. At this point you need to be very carful there is no safety interlocks. Than you can cycle the tool changer to remove any problem you might have and even jog the machine (very carefully!!!). Than you must put the tool changer back into its normal position for a tool change than disable interlock cancel. I have had in some cases, had to push and release emergency stop a number of times to unjam things. The tool changer on my machine will not function if it is not in the right position initially. The magazine, the shifter, the carrier, and the arm all have to be in the proper position or you will get a alarm. Hope this helps but I think your tool changer is different than mine.
Edge Precision yes its differant, on the vtc 800 a carrier runs backwards and forward on a rail system underneath the spindle, right now the carrier is engaged with the tool carasel at the back, it need to release whatever tool it has and then go back to its park position but nobody can figure out how, mazak service techs job i guess, the little maintenance memu (spanner mode) has keys like ATC recovery mode and such but no buttons work
I'm not a machinist, toolmaker, or CNBC tech....it just seems like a lot of machining to then go ahead and just remove 50 % of the work that was just machined..... Not questioning, just trying to understand and learn. Thank you.
Peter, I work at a small shop in Lower DE and a couple of us here watch all your videos and if anything makes us want to come to work and do a better job then we already do it is you and we don’t know what we would do if you stop posting these videos so please keep them coming and Thank You!!!
Being used to conventional manual movements on lathes and milling machines, I find this somewhat, like miracles in the making. I am used with working the old type of machine where I always am in contact, but this machine "has a vast memory of its own and does not need the operator most of the time, but just obeys his orders.
Such accuracy and what I admire most is the calmness of the gentleman commenting and programming and completely trusting his machine, he is so sure of the allegiance of the machine to his orders. That machine is a faithful slave or better still a good friend............ but to be honest, I would be scared to see all that powerful synchronized motions and rotations, all the time hoping that it will obey all the operator demands.
Congratulations on your work, so beautiful and so elegant, with mind, body, and machine working together in a harmonious manner which I shall never experience.
That was a weird comment
Such excellent videos.
Good comments, images are all relevant.
Ni fuss, informative to the best.
Thanks for posting.
This is one of the best videos I’ve seen. So satisfying to watch and educational as well!!
thanks again
i watch most machining videos but you and rob are my favorite. there are so many good ones but you take the cake and eat it too! love it so much and always look forward to seeing more.
Came here after an AvE video called you out as a master craftsman. I don't know my ass from my elbow when it comes to tooling but it sure is fun to watch someone doing this work while describing what they're doing. Thanks for sharing :D
Very cool stuff. Way beyond what I'm doing in my little home shop. Thanks for sharing!
One reason why I like this channel. Quite a big machine. No one else does these kind of parts. :)
I like your videos. You do a great job explaining all the details. Please know that sharing your knowledge is greatly appreciated. I just found your channel and I can't get enough of it. Keep up the good work.
Excellent video, your commentary is always informative
That integrex is a monster . Great work
Some engineer this lad ,makes me want to try and have a go , he makes it look so easy a good sign of a very good tradesman ,keep the videos coming 👍👍
Great video Peter you have some neat parts to make all the time.
Absolutely awesome videos. But with respect can you please play it at normal speed when you are making heavy chips. Regards. Ha ha. Pretty please.
So nice to watch. The Mazak is some kind of tool for this.
I did a job a little was back and thay bought me one of those pencil grinders for deburing some inside grooves and i got to keep it when the job was done i have bin useing it ever since on everything i definitely recommend buying one for anyone doing this type of work
what kind of pencil grinder is that?
Great video as always Peter!
Pretty nice job. I used to run this exactly Shaffer nov shafts, but using more setups we don't have a life tools machines. 🖒
Great job mate! Congrats! keep it up!
Rather than use a facemill would it not be more practical to use a roughing endmill and using a radial infeeds produce the flats?
Do you use conversational programming directly on the MAZAK, or are the tool paths for a job like this generted in CAM?
I never us the Mazatrol control for anything more than boring chuck jaws. Everything I do is programmed in Cam of of solid models. And most of the time I even bore chuck jaws with the Cam software as well. It's not that I dont like Mazatrol. It is very good for straight lathe work. For milling I'm not so impressed. There are guys here at Centerline that do very impressive milling tasks with it but I prefer using Cam generated programs. The job depicted in this video would have been easy to do straight on the Mazatrol.
Thanks. Roughly how many hours programming go into an hours machining? I am just playing with a little MAHO 400E in my basement, and the programming part takes me ages.
Edge Precision Peter you should try to do a demo with someone from Mazak on the new smoothg controller. We just purchased a new qt200-msy and I find the Mazatrol programming to be very powerful. Very easy to do pretty complex milling and turning.
Sorry that I have said in the first vedio that is lot of waste material I didn't realize that u have made the second video.
So just I wanna say it's wonderful work
Bougrine Hatem it’s OK. The way jobs I run are usually done to a customers plan for material and it’s size. If the customer wants to start with a certain size stock and machine it all away. Than that’s what I do. If they are willing to pay for it. It’s their product.
@@EdgePrecision i got it 👍👍
The machine is awesome. Does the USA even make machines like this Mazak? One of the best machining videos I've seen on the tube.
They call Mazak "Japanese Haas", Okuma can beat the shxt out of any Mazak..
Interesting insight into heavy machining, you are the owner of the shop ?
Great video. Why is the coolant waterfalling/spraying around the bottom ?
Phil Garbarini ,This machine sprays coolant along the way covers to flush the shavings into the chip conveyer.
good and neat job means Good persona , but your life style is ahead of out standing ...Excellent
Your powerful and carbide tip hand grinder will easily damage your nicely finished part if it is carelessly operated。Finishing them on machine is better, although it needs 5 axis programming。 Anyway it is a very nice video!
raychar cheung Yes it could be done but for eleven parts it would take more time than doing it but hand.
..On those facing cuts..do you increase spindle speed as you approach the center...?
Doug Ankrum On CNC lathe in the G96 mode (constant surface finish) the machine will increase speed as the diameter decreases. So on a facing cut the speed will increase until you reach the maximum rpm of the machine or the max speed you specify in your G50 command. For speed limitation.
You deserve much more views and likes!
Thanks, its very informative for a non CNC machinist.
Peter I would think the T flange machiend at the end of the shaft could have been welded on and saved all that metal removel save costs.?
Possibly but I don’t design the parts. I just machine them.
what does ''OD" means?
Outside Diameter.
Neat video! That's an awesome machine!
It’s a great day. All my faves dropped new content.
Nice machines! nice work!
a lot of chips )
what kind of pencil ginder are you using?
Search NSK Espert 500. You will see. They are expensive. But I have had this one for maybe 12 years and it still works good. I just recently bought another motor and spindle for 1/4” shank tools as well.
Peter, what kind of indicator post do you use? I want to throw my Chinese POS every time I touch it. That one looks very easy to move/adjust
I think it’s a Noga arm. If you are talking about the one I use in the spindle. It’s a older on with a smaller knob. The new ones have this bigger plastic knob I don’t care for. All the mag bases I use are also Noga brand.
I just bought one. I’m very excited to give it a go. Thank you 💪🏼
Nice job Peter. Would it have been possible to do all the deburring in the machine?
Depending on how convoluted the chamfer methods are in the software, sometimes you can't just select a basic edge and expect the tool to follow it at certain diameter and be done. :(
And since these particular edges meet at a few pinch points that can cause easy gouges, it makes it next to impossible without a bunch of workarounds.
that Espert grinder works great but it's $1,800...ouch! Where's my hand file? lol...
Yes it is expensive. I have owned mine for probably over 14 years. I don't remember what I paid for it back then.
I have never heard of offsetting the C-axis. Can't you just orientate the model differently in your CAM software and post different C values for jaw clearance? I guess it is one in the same? Great work, thanks for sharing.
The C axis has a fixture offset just like any other axis. It isn't necessary to reprocess code just change the angle or zero point of your offset. Its totally necessary to be able to set a zero point for the C axis otherwise how would you align to the part in the rotational direction.
How does that machine know EXACTLY what the dimensions of the piece are? Lasers? Thanks.
The machine is just a robot. It has servo motors that rotate ball screws that have encoders that feed back position to the controller. Although it can position quite accurately none of this guarantees the parts accuracy. The man running the robot/ machine determines that. The machine just follows the path programmed. It knows nothing more than that. It knows no part dimensions or anything about the part.
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It is very nice to watch the Professional at work :)
Q: What is the best strategy (left side , right , both sides) to cut STUB ACME and ACME Threads and High Pitch Threads. Also did you use Mazatrol to program this specific thread or SpaceCIaim?
The cutting strategy I use for all but the courses threads is to feed straight in. With a constant area cut depth. On this large of a machine that works fine for everything from say four pitch and finer. For a courser pitch I might use a zigzag type of pattern of in feed. The cam software I use is Esprit. I program all threads with that software. I almost never use the Mazatrol. Maybe for boring soft jaws, most of the time not even for that.
Let me ask you a question can you make an engine block on that machine? if you can which machine do you have for me to look for! I want to do or try to do some upgrades on a 427, sometimes called the L-88,
It could be possible but I don’t think it would be the most ideal. Something like a 5axis horizontal mill might be better. Or it could be done on just a 4axis horizontal mill as well. Just more operations.
@@EdgePrecision Which machine would you recommend to buy for this kind of work, we are a small group of mechanics 3 to be exact, not part changers, we do some designing ourselves on our lathe's and we want to grow up so to speak, we deal in heavy equipment and High performance racing equipment and engines like the 427 L-88 to be particular, and we want to try to redesign that particular engine, I know it sounds like a joke, Hehehehe Except that is what we are about! so maybe you can steer me in the direction I need to be in, I know we really need a 5 axis machine, except most do not have the room to fit any engine block in them, just from looking at them, which is why I asked you that question I see your machine has room to spare,
Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. God Bless and Thank You for your Help,
PS Please do not stop educating all of us as your work in education is worth ever moment in teaching everyone of us as not many people care to do that unless they are very well paid, again thank You for all your Videos, and please take as long as you need in explaining because that is the real making of a professor which you have shown yourself to be!
Thank You AGain
You are asking for advise on this but I don't know if I can help. I don't anymore keep up with the latest machines. so i'm not sure what to tell you. I would like to help you but I have to admit I don't think I can. There are to many variables the size of the part the amount of money you can afford to spent exct. To me but see I don't know your situation this is a awful lot of money to spend just to modify a engine block. As I say I Don't know your situation.
Man that is a beautiful piece of work. Would you get real upset if i stole your machine? ha ha
Thomas D Harrell I’ll fight you for it lol. Bet that sucker is heavy! Went in one of the bigger shops around town the other day and saw a few new Mazak lathes. I was like what that one cost, $350K? He was like nah, $800K. I was like 😱
Really like your explanations part looking good thanks for video
Вы снимаете фаски в ручную, а станок сможет?
Да машина может. Но иногда для нескольких деталей проще просто сделать это вручную. Вместо того, чтобы создавать программу, устанавливающую инструмент и проверять эту программу, рискуя ошибиться. Для многих частей это может стоить того.
Work of engineering art.
solidcam вам в помощь и не придется фаски вручную снимать.
GOOD EVENING SIR
I have to deburr tomorrow
Its material is copper
It is 3mm diameter through hole on the slope.
Please refer to the tool for deburr
and i need circle type brush
answer plz
I’m not sure what your asking. Are you saying you want to deburr the entry of the hole. Also what kind of cooper is it and how good of a deburr job is required. Do they specify a radius finish exc.?
What tool did you use for trimming?
Are you talking about the deburr grinder? If so it’s a NSK pencil grinder. I not at the shop now or I would give you the model number.
Bravo siz bu işi biliyor sunuz usta
Let’s see some mazatrol programming examples
Yeah It would be great for you to talk through one with us
Very good video
This part looks like an NOV BOP ram shaft? Nice job!
Seeing a 4 jaw chuck on a CNC lathe is very strange. A 3 jaw chuck is so much quicker to use and I have held larger parts than this to do a 2nd op. 😖.
The reason I use a 4-Jaw chuck is it fits the type of work I do better. Also I get the full spindle bore size. This was also important to me. Although it isn't efficient for this kind of job. This isn't the kind of job I usually do. Most jobs I do get chucked and stay there for a whole day or two. So being able to dial in the runout perfectly is more important than time. Another thing a manual 4-jaw isn't as susceptible to spindle speed and chucking strength (Chuck opening due to spindle speed) as a hydraulic chuck.
That machine is awesome iam so jealous
is this what they call a 5 axis mchine?
Because it has 5 axis of motion. Three linear and two rotary. That would be X,Y,Z and B and C.
In fact this machine could be 6 axis if they had Sub spindle Chuck too if -Z is done on machine by it self I would call it 6 Axis
Tornero convencional.que te parece ir en punto muerto en automovil a despues ?
excellent sir
pure beauty
CAD,CAE,CAM nas mãos e cérebros privilegiados.
Do you always climb cut?
Doug Rundell Yes almost always.
Edge Precision have you ever had to use the ATC recovery mode/step function on your intergrex? a mazak vtc800 mill at work had a power failure during a toolchange and nobody can remember the sequence to get the toolchange carrier/arm to reset itself, luckilythe mill does not get ysed much, only for bigger jobs
When I bought my machine it came to me in pieces and I assembled it and installed it. it has a Mazatrol 640M Pro control(yours may be different). On this control there is no ATC recovery mode that I am aware of (If there is I have never used it). I have had many tool changer issues mostly my own fault) . What I do is go into the Machine Mode (The key with the little wrench on it) Than to ATC than enable interlock cancel. At this point you need to be very carful there is no safety interlocks. Than you can cycle the tool changer to remove any problem you might have and even jog the machine (very carefully!!!). Than you must put the tool changer back into its normal position for a tool change than disable interlock cancel. I have had in some cases, had to push and release emergency stop a number of times to unjam things. The tool changer on my machine will not function if it is not in the right position initially. The magazine, the shifter, the carrier, and the arm all have to be in the proper position or you will get a alarm. Hope this helps but I think your tool changer is different than mine.
Edge Precision yes its differant, on the vtc 800 a carrier runs backwards and forward on a rail system underneath the spindle, right now the carrier is engaged with the tool carasel at the back, it need to release whatever tool it has and then go back to its park position but nobody can figure out how, mazak service techs job i guess, the little maintenance memu (spanner mode) has keys like ATC recovery mode and such but no buttons work
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I'm not a machinist, toolmaker, or CNBC tech....it just seems like a lot of machining to then go ahead and just remove 50 % of the work that was just machined.....
Not questioning, just trying to understand and learn.
Thank you.