How to make the most of school of motion? An honest school of motion review
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- Опубліковано 1 лис 2020
- Hey there! Here's an honest school of motion review from an alumni :) I took the courses years ago but still remember them very well. This video is a general school of motion animation bootcamp review. I also talk about the character animation course.
Let me know what you think about this review. Do you agree or disagree?
Thanks so much for this. I've been thinking about saving up for a course, after newly discovering the world of motion design. It's kind of awaken my creative spirit (went to school for graphic design) that's been dead for like 10 years. Literally, the only great thing to come out of 2020. So yay. I LOVE ur channel by the way. Just discovered it in the last 3 days. Women talking about motion design on youtube or ANYWHERE on the internet is damn near non-existent and you are doing a great job. Thanks for inspiring me to give it a try.
Yay to your creative spirit! So glad I can help and take you along for the ride :) Let me know if you have questions about anything. I remember a common feeling when starting out was that I would get really frustrated because motion design is hard haha a school of motion course would be a great start too!
Thank you so much for this. I've been feeling stuck as an artist lately, and the only job that I've had as a graphic designer might be coming to an end soon due to company issues. I've been applying for jobs but nothing has worked yet due to lack of skills and experience, plus super low rates. I've been wanting to further my skills but I'm already in student loan debt from a BA that did absolutely nothing for me, so this would be perfect compared going back to a university.
Hey! Sorry I missed your comment. Have you managed to up skill since?
I have been an out of work graphic designer and have been thinking about taking this course for a while, but I think that this video has convinced me to finally take the jump! Thanks
No problem! I'm sure you'll enjoy it :)
Thanks! I'll start the Animation Bootcamp in January and watching this video makes me feel more
enthusiastic about it!
Great! Good to know it helped 🙌
Hey! I'm also interested in the bootcamp, maybe we see us there :D
@@g0gool_ Great!!
Thank you so much for this informative video. While I have a BA in animation that I received in 2011, I haven’t done any animation since, not to mention I wasn’t very good at it, but rather better at producing 😓 But I’ve always loved animation and stories, it’s what I’ve done since I was young. I tried for awhile to just make it as an illustrator in 2019 and I loved it but something felt lacking and I always said as a joke to friends that ‘I may have to do some animation soon!”
Since the pandemic hit Last year I had to rethink what I really wanted to do, I was unhappy with my art and it was the beginning of this year, 2021 that I’ve made the decision to get back into animation and motion design. (I’m one of those people who love A.E 😊) I say all of this to say, thank you for your channel, it’s great to see other women in this space and I think I’ll be starting my new creative journey with School of Motion very soon. Keep up the great work 👍🏾💜
Thanks for your comment! Yes you creative side can haunt you until you decide to do something about it haha it's hard to keep working at the beginning when you're not happy with the results but taking a course like school of motion will really help you boost your confidence! I hope it works out :)
and congrats on the channel!! Just discovered it, there's so many videos I wanna watch :) Keep it up! :)
Welcome aboard!
Thanks a lot for this video. I have been saving up for their course for a long time, considering that in my currency its almost 85x. Your video was just the thing to boost my motivation.
I've taken several courses in School of Motion and I loved each of them. I believe it's one of the best and fastest way to prepare a motion designer to the industry. But if you want to take the course, you need to have at least 3 hours per day to complete the exercises.
definitely 3h per day! What courses did you take?
@@CopyCatMotionDesign I have taken Animation Bootcamp, Design Bootcamp, Explainer, CAB, and VFX. My favorite so far is Design Bootcamp, but all are great :) I wish we had more time to complete the exercises.
@@VagnerSh can you tell me diffrence between design kickstart vs design bootcamp?
@@papademproduction Actually I can`t tell the difference because I only took Design Bootcamp, but I believe they complete each other. Please watch this video which Mike speaks about this two courses: ua-cam.com/video/H_0C_9earpo/v-deo.html
Try Division 05 and their visual design course (www.division05.com/visualdesignlab). It‘s cheaper, goes more in depth and the critique is not restricted by time. SOM Design bootcamp is OK but Division 05 is a top of quality. And they have a lot of free tuts on youtube, too (ua-cam.com/users/Division05)...
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. This is really helpful. I have been considering taking a couple of their courses for ages but was unsure if the projects would be enough to build a showreel for seeking work. Sounds like they are!
Glad it can help! What course were you thinking of taking?
@@CopyCatMotionDesign Thanks for the reply. I have been thinking about the Animation Bootcamp to start followed by the Advanced Motion Methods if I get on well with the first course.
Thank you for commenting! 😊 I really like the animation bootcamp and I've been toying with the idea of taking the advanced methods. I would take a rest break after animation bootcamp though! It can be a tough few weeks
@@CopyCatMotionDesign Thanks for the advice!
Hi thanks for your review, it has been of great help, which courses would you recommend the most?
great review, thx. Couple of questions for you; What was your motion design skill level before you took the Bootcamp course? Did you land a job after 1 course? thank you
Hey, thanks for your comment. I knew after effects and was pretty comfortable playing around with effects. I really wasn't good with vector animations because they looked too static. After the bootcamp yes I got loads of jobs quite quickly. My level was much better and I could confidently take on jobs. Hope this helps
Thank you! Great review!
Any online course will be way better then attending generic graphic design college, where you would only make flyers, banners and shit like that. Practice material that you saw in a tutorial, learn from mistakes, ask questions in a specific niche forum. And build a nice portfolio. That is a key here.
Hi. Thanks for your video. Were the courses to you took were Design Bootcamp and Animation Bootcamp? I have been a graphic design for 15 years (mostly print). Within the last year or so I have been doing simple projects in After Effects (self taught). I feel l know the basics, but I am sure there is plenty I am missing. Do you recommend the After Effects Kickstart for someone like myself that had self taught the basics, or do you think I can skip that course? For someone with a degree in Graphic Design, is the Design Boot Camp very helpful in learning more motion, or is it more just a graphic design lessons?
Hey! sorry I missed your comment. I did animation bootcamp which was good, but I already knew how to use after effects. Which one did you end up going with?
It is very good review. What is your advice if I start with Animation Bootcamp without After Effects KickStart? I know some in After Effects.
Hey, I think if you know some After Effects, go straight for the bootcamp! It might take a little longer to figure out some stuff but it'll save you from taking two courses. Does the Bootcamp sound too daunting to start with?
Hello! Thinking in take a course. So the videos are live exactly in some time of the week? Or you have the video open for a week and you watched and do exercises when you think is the best time for you? Thanks!!!
I've taken the exact courses in SOM as you, and I can tell you that the final exercise is very a hard one. The problem is that the time to finish it and to have a review on that is too short for me...
Yes it is tricky to animate the final projects, especially because you're so tired from the weeks that lead up to it!
This is awesome. You mentioned it's an online course, so do you need to be present at a live time based on USA time? I.e. if you're in Australia and you're 6 hrs ahead of US, say a class is at 3pm in USA, do you need to get up early at 9am and be visually present like you would if you're attending school? Or can you do it anytime u want? I.e. midday based on Europe time when it's midnight in America?
You don't need to be present for the classes and you can do each class when you want, providing you don't fall behind cause it is hard to play to catch up.
Hi! I have a follow up question... I wanna join the next session starting in April and I was wondering if you need to apply before registering? Or is it like a regular course - first come first serve? I read the only requirements is some knowledge of AE, which I have and will practice ahead of starting but just wanna make sure I secure a spot :) Thanks!
No I think it's a regular course, you don't need to apply like some other mentorships. There's just a limited amount of space for each session, I think it's first come first serve
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Holi, soy Nora y soy tu mayor fan.
Saludos y sigue así!
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What language is this?
@@SOM_-sy6pv Spanish
@@CopyCatMotionDesign Eres bilingüe?
My main concern is not knowing enough before hand for the course to be as usefull as it can be, what should i know before thinking about enrolling?
If you know how after effects works, they will show you the rest. That's all I knew before I started
Awesome feedback, thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
I took Animation Bootcamp back in 2015 and had a great time and learned so much. I had barely used AE before but everyone was so helpful when I had some pretty basic questions. Now they have AE Kickstart so I would have taken that first if it was around then. Joey has created a great place to learn and has very talented people teaching. I have also taken C4D BaseCamp and it was excellent as well.
As for lack of diversity??? What does that have to do with getting the best teachers? I liked your review until then but you lost me when you said that. I could care less what color my teacher is, who they sleep with, or what they identify as. All I want is a qualified experienced person who can teach and Joey has them at SOM!
Hey, thanks for your comment! I don't completely agree with the last part but I respect your opinion :)
I completely agree, lack of diversity is completely irrelevant when it comes to learning a new skills. Just my two cents.
Would you say the animation bootcamp is worth it if you've already studied AE in a few other courses?
Yes it is worth it! I knew After Effects but Animation bootcamp taught me animation principles for After Effects and how to animate really well. I'm not sure what courses you took, maybe they're just as good though!
Hello, thanks for this video. How many hours do you spend a day/a week for a course? Is the "real" school better than these courses or not? I'm interested because in my country we doesn't have motion studies
Hi! I would say around 14 hours per week would be a good amount to spend on it. Like a part-time job and you'll really get the most out of it. I really enjoyed university and the school of motion course, they were both very different. Now university courses are much better than they used to be so you'll probably get all you need out of the university course. It really depends on what you want. However with Covid right now it will be difficult to go to class in different countries. You can check out www.hyperisland.com/ which has great courses that are longer, and you will be able to make original projects. I hope this helps!
@@CopyCatMotionDesign thanks for that quick response! 😊
I have a job where I work from 12pm - 8:30pm, Monday - Friday and I want to take courses. Based on what you have said in this video about the work load and not wanting to play catch up, would my job timing make it difficult to complete a course?
you need a LOT of time for these courses. They have a new project every week and it is very daunting. I quickly realized i had selected a course way over my skill level and when i asked about changing courses they never responded. The TA will only review work so if you dont turn in work no one checks in to see how you are doing or help you get a strategy on how to move forward. With other student showing completed and polished work it quickly became defeating and made me stop watching the work - if you dont have time to devote to this then i would not invest in these courses. they have great content, but you have to have time to commit to them.
Thank you very much for your honest video👌
My pleasure 😊 Have you taken a SoM course before?
I'm not really good at drawing or animating is it still possible to enroll with the school of motion, or would you say I should work on my foundation before enrolling.
Do you also have some advice on how I can better my foundation with these skills.
If you know how to use after effects, this course his good for you because they will teach you how to animate properly. There's no drawing involved.
If you don't know how to use after effects, then they have an after effects kicksrarter course.
I hope this helps!
@@CopyCatMotionDesign Yeah that helps a lot thank you
Omg im so hyped
I haven’t done a drawing or painting in 7yrs, and a media and design course where I am don’t start till next fall 2022 if it happens. This pandemic got me creating some art/paintings in all the free time I had at home. I started to sell paintings and I started selling paintings in the hundreds range which was nice but I wanted to do more. I started attempting digital art and now I want to turn original my digital art into animation. Is there a specific course name within school of motion I should take?
Humm that's a tricky one, I think you're better off with a more traditional animation course like @TonikoPantoja : ua-cam.com/channels/RTRqkhrehrY9hJJcLVUeRQ.html
I haven't taken his courses but they look really good
Small comment as someone that works as a motion designer and occasionally hires other motion designers. I actually don't recommend putting SoM projects in your portfolio.
It screams of student work. It tells me that you are incapable of design. It also tells me you don't have too much experience . If you want to make the most of SoM to get a portfolio, make sure to do personal projects. Hell, morph your school of motion assignments to your own project. The teachers might discourage you if you're in one of the animation bootcamps bc they want you to focus on timing. But me personally, I found major improvements by applying the skills to my own projects rather than relying on the course project files.
I'm much more likely to hire someone that has no professional experience but knows how to apply skills they see in a tutorial in their own personal project, than someone that completed a course without professional experience, and didn't do anything personal. Most motion designers can recognize a school of motion course and there are too many portfolios with the same work now. A portfolio should also tell me something about YOU. What styles do you like to work in? What kind of motion design do you want to enter? What kind of humor do you have?
Great insight, thanks!
Well they gotta start somewhere.
this comment just comes off so pretentious im sorry. it's hard enough to come up with personal projects and people take this opportunity to make a good animation from what they're given in the courses, why not put it in? you still get to see them put their own spin on how they actually approached that assignment and got it done. stuff like this just makes people feel like they wasted their time and money on a course just to be gatekept from getting a first step into the door because someone saw "oh great another person who took school of motion courses."
@@thisninja11 I'm sorry i'm late to responding to this. I understand it feels pretentious but the truth is you got to do work that sticks out. I don't think school of motion is a waste of time but they are just exercises. And there a lot of reels out there that have the same school of motion work. So that's the hard truth. I'm not the only person that will compare reels and be more impressed with the reel with unique work (I know the work in the unique reel was done without hand holding and shows their problem solving skills). And I'll go further, if you're not a designer, and you feel like you're only an animator then there's a solution for you too. I recommend reaching out to some illustrators and asking if you can animate some of their work.
Thank you!
Regardless of my misgivings, I've decided to take the plunge and signed up for their Animation Bootcamp
Nice one! I hope it goes well :)
@@CopyCatMotionDesignLast week of spring session, stuck with it till the end, thanks for the Recommendation.
The best video I've watched about that
Thanks I appreciate it!
Please honest reviews of Motion Design School and Mograph Mentor?
Hi, unfortunately I haven't taken courses with those online schools
Hello, I have a question, for Spanish-speaking people, do you think the course will be too difficult if I have an intermediate level of English?
It might be a little tricky but maybe they have subtitles? If there are subtitles then you should be fine :)
@@CopyCatMotionDesign Thank you very much for a very good video :)
💜💜💜
Based off of your review I decided to give them a whirl and did their sample "Path to Mograph" course, which intrigued me. So I inquired via Facebook which course they recommended I take based off of my past experience, No Response. Tried again via their help chat on their page, still no response. Finally received a generic email with no indication they had even read my inquiry at all about 3-4 weeks after the second inquiry. If they are this unresponsive even before I've paid any money, it does not make one overly confident in their courses or promises of weekly feedback. I've been working professionally with AE for 13 years but have no formal training in it (mostly taught myself), so I considered doing the After Effects Kickstart to fill in the gaps or the animation boot camp, but now I don't even know if I want to use them at all.
They do have weekly feedback, it's a completely different and structured system, it's not like customer support
@@CopyCatMotionDesign Is the weekly feedback fixed to a certain time of the weekend? can you negotiate the feedback, we are talking about live feedback right?
Do you really think its a good idea to put the exercises in the show reel? some people told me not to do that
Show reel should be about a 1-2 minute reel of your top work. If the exercise is polished work, or maybe you are showcasing a hard task to accomplish in the program it may be okay, but it's best to keep workflow or exercise pieces to your website (or wherever you post regularly).
@@Pvt.punchy I dont really have clients works to show on my protfolio, and School of Motion exercises are really design well, but some people told me that its not really showing your skills if you put the exercises on the reel(even though I did all the animation by myself in the exercises I just didn't design it), and school of motion are becoming really known in the industry and probably a lot of studios seen this exercises a lot and they wont take you serious...
Yes it really depends who the showreel is for. If you show studios then they will know right away it's school of motion because they might have taken a course themselves! I think if you're a beginner motion designer, you can get away with having some SOM exercises on there. If you're showing to clients who aren't in the industry they won't recognize school of motion so easily
Motion Design School is a cheaper but effective alternative to School of Motion. I am taking Motion Beast & Logo Animation Course from there but of course one has to put some extra effort to come closer to the students of SOM & to produce the same qualitative work.
Do you get any feedback from your work for Motion Design School?
@@CopyCatMotionDesign Their teaching mechanism is different from SOM, SOM has a batch system so they enroll limited students in each batch hence they can check their work & give them tips & tricks to improve their work. Where as MDS don't have any such system, one can buy any number of courses anytime so the number of students benefiting from their courses is quite large that's why they can't ask students to submit assignments & get feedback but they do have separate FB group for students where one can post his work & ask for feedback from his fellow students. They do have a active social media team so if you post your project on INSTA & tag them, most probably they will appreciate you.
Their courses are qualitative & challenging but yes they don't have SOM like system but it is still good because they charge less & offer (summer & winter) sales. My experience is limited to Motion Beast & Logo Animations course. For other courses, one can visit their website & check what their students are capable of doing.
do you have a link to your portfolio?
I'll add one tiny con and a pro to your list! Pro is that they offer free classes so you can see how the classes will be run. Courses like The Path to Mograph, so you can get a little peek of what the content is like however, there's no TAs for the free courses. They also offer a few scholarship options now so look out for those. Con, is that you have to have a Facebook account. Just wish there was another option other than Facebook for such a big amazing network community and a way to keep the classes private while taking.
Lovely video! I've taken a bunch of courses and I understand you on the character animation class. I haven't used my skills from that course very much which is my fault. I bought it so early on that I thought it was something I would do often.
Yes these are probably things they added on recently. I took the courses years ago so you must be right, they have loads of freebies and even the payment plans I forgot to mention.
I do see on facebook people mention they are only still on there for the SOM alumni group. A forum on their website would be great! Do you think that would replace the facebook group properly?
Regarding the Facebook groups, it happened to be mentioned today that more and more people are seeing Facebook as a con, and interestingly Joey somewhat cryptically said they are researching it and other alternatives, Slack and Discord were mentioned by people commenting, but he didn't get that specific.
Hey! I know this is a year later but I finally managed to set up a website with community groups :)
If you want to join, head over to:
www.copycatmotiondesign.com/cool-cats-club-copycat-motion-design
Use the coupon code CCBETA to get free access. There isn’t anyone yet on there because I’m just getting the word out now! 🙂
You should be able to message me on there so please let me know what you think about it!
Sounds easier than full sail's motion design classes lol
I've never heard of full sail! It's good to gather info from different courses and sources but yes SoM will give you a great overview of everything you need to know and more
Hola, no se de donde eres, pero veo que comentaste en español. Así que dejaré mi comentario también en español. Gracias por la info fue muy valiosa. En México estos cursos son tan caros como 4 meses de una universidad de paga. Yo tengo muchas ganas de tomar uno de estos cursos pero trabajo y me preocupa que se trate de un curso en el que necesite de tener todo mi tiempo libre. Agradeceré mucho tu respuesta.
Hola! Si my familia es de Puerto Rico :) Estos cursos, especialmente el bootcamp necessita mucho tiempo y es mas fácil si no tienes tanto trabajo al lado. Yo tenía un trabajo "part time" entonces era más fácil.
Creo que tienes que preparete para dos meses de trabajo más o menos intenso. Parece mucho pero vale la pena.
@@CopyCatMotionDesign mil gracias! Si yo creo que voy a irme preparando.
In my curncy it's around 450k worth around 1year of savings if you had a decent jop
Hey! I know it's not the same as school of motion but I finally managed to set up a website with community groups about motion design :)
If you want to join, head over to:
www.copycatmotiondesign.com/cool-cats-club-copycat-motion-design
Use the coupon code CCBETA to get free access. There isn’t anyone yet on there because I’m just getting the word out now! 🙂
You should be able to message me on there so please let me know what you think about it!
Did you know graphic design prior to motion design?
I did a little but not properly. I've learned a lot more in the past two years because I didn't have a proper foundation in graphic design. Why do you ask?
@@CopyCatMotionDesign oh cool!
Just wondering if the design bootcamp or kickstart was worth it or just to be self taught?
@@TimandLauren there isn't any design work in animation bootcamp. I thought about doing design foundation but never got around to it. I'm sure it's great but if you want to self-teach the best thing is to practice designing, and not only for motion design. I thought logos might be easy to make and they're actually the hardest 😅 typography as well is so tricky to get right until you understand what works and how. I hope this makes sense?
@@CopyCatMotionDesign oh yeah i totally agree. Just start practicing! And yeah logo and typography for me is hard
I wonder if the school of animation design kickstart or bootcamp would help alot
@@TimandLauren I'm sure it would, they'll give you plenty to do to practice and feedback on your work. Let me know if you end up taking the course :)
I might try school of motion I guess
Your Instagram link is broken can we see your process
Thanks
Hey thanks for your comment. Instagram deleted my account which is a pain. I'm now working on my website so I'll keep you updated :)
Thanks for the response.
Cool!, I am looking forward to see it after you finish.
Have a lovely week
I agree with everything but apparently the color of ones skin is much more important to you than it is to someone who just wants to learn the program.
Yes representation and diversity is very important to me
Thanks for the video. I would advise you to invest in a good recording mic as your video is let down by poor audio.
sure, thanks for the feedback!
school of motion animation bootcamp is a scam
Have you taken ?
Why do you say that?
No? I completed it recently and it taught me so many useful things.
I’m black and I study social justice!
Diversity is stupid from your prospective.
What if there is no teacher who s from a certain ethnic background?
That’s not how diversity work.
It’s all about who want to teach and get - it has nothing to do with gender or skin color.
Aside from that, okay-ish review.