I have always really liked (irrationally so) this trailer. My wife on the other hand took one look at this trailer and said no thank you. I think you really highlighted the trailers problems very well. The lack of storage and propane tank swapping would drive me nuts. The heater also looks like it would be great for small hands to become burnt hands. I appreciate you finally highlighting it!
Glad this was helpful. Originally like I mentioned I couldn't see the value at all which is why I never put it on the channel. But I filled it originally because so many people in the community were either highly interested in it or were buying it. So I really wanted to see what they saw. And again like I said I'm glad I held on to the video because I have come to understand who it's for, but at first I was like why are people buying this?!!! Sometimes it takes me longer to see the thought process behind a trailer. But with all that said, I think for 90% of us in the community this wouldn't be a good fit. This is for a very niche demographic
Having owned everything from a $12,000 overland trailer to a $65,000 small overland trailers, I can tell you there isn't much difference in what you get. Sure layouts are important and that is the major differences. Materials on most of these small overland trailers are just fine at all price points. The more I look at these the more it makes buying a small cargo trailer, (made for abuse usually) throwing some timbren axeless suspension on it, and building it out (or have it built out by a local place) the way you want it. You can do this all for around $15,000 (stove, heat, water, shower, beds, etc.etc..) and have the same if not more capability as this trailer. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with these trailers, they are "cool", they are just not made for your everyday overlander/camper IMO.
I like your take on this Preston. I would agree. The more campers I take out the more I realize a budget camper does 80% of what every high dollar camper can do. As you may know we also have a converted cargo trailer. We have had it for over 5 years and have never put it on the channel. I finally filmed it this summer, so I will get it up there this season. There are a lot of pros for going this route.
@@PlayingwithSticksyup, all I need one for is music festivals and bluegrass “pickin parties.” So heat, cooling, and lockable storage. Cooking can be done on a table outdoors. A dinette may be nice for rainy days and meals. So something like a Rustic Trails Koala is the dream. But it looks like in terms of cost and lack of maintenance (I live in Maine so it’d be out in the snow all winter), a cargo trailer may be the way to go. My biggest gripe with most teardrops and small trailers is they use way too much space for cabinets and kitchen space. I’d much rather have it open to lock up my guitars. Something like a road toad tote might be good too. But again cost and availability, a cargo trailer seems hard to beat. And you can add and subtract features as you experiment
I follow Rustic Trails pretty religiously, but I think I missed the Koala. Sounds like they have a new model? I'm with you on the space eating cabinets. I used to love them, but the less I have the happier I am. I like open space. I think that Road Toad would do well in your climate, so would a budget trailer from Runaway or Tiny Camper Company, both of these manufacturers use composite as well. We have a converted, well semi-converted cargo trailer. We have had it for over 5 years, you may have seen it in the background of our videos because we camped out of it for 6 months at a time for two different seasons. They definitely have their place. Great little trailers, with an affordable price tag, and a BIG feel to them.
Thanks for the video Drew. This is for a very narrow market, they won't be flying out the door. Also a bit of puffery from the people pushing them. Not for me. I appreciate what you do so I don't have to go and look at one.
Thank you for the kind words. Glad to know these videos are helpful, or at least entertaining. While this trailer isn't really designed for me. I did enjoy seeing them take a new approach.
It is a very interesting trailer. Always liked the idea of no rotting. I agree with your cons. And I also like their suspension. It is the same I have on mine. Although my heater is mounted to the side of my trailer I do like to have a bottle designated for its propane needs always ready to go. My propane for my stove is mounted to the side of the trailer and you have to screw it in and unscrew it. That way you are sure it is disconnected and off. Cabinets on the inside sure would be nice though. The appearance seems very clean, which is pleasing to the eye. And some 409 and a towel and it's clean. Love the videos! Much love to you and your family as always.🥃
I probably should have played up the no rotting point. I forget sometimes that i need to approach each of these videos, like nobody has ever seen these concept. Thanks for reminding me of this. I agree, it has a very clean look. And when you are in it, it feels very spacious because of the lack of cabinets. Thanks for taking the time to share your perspective on this. I really appreciate it.
Considering the build, the price isn't too horrible. I agree that this is for the rugged, get out of dodge, hard core overlander who just needs a bed on wheels, with a compact kitchen. Propane plumbing is an issue and I don't really understand the reason for the pull out kitchen. Serms to me that adds unnecessary weight. Speaking of which, I didn't catch a weight for the base model. There's a specific market for this and I hope they are successful.
Funny you mentioned the weight. I was hoping nobody mentioned it, because I realized after I uploaded the video that I forgot to mention the weight. The dry weight is 1650 which is pretty comparable to other overland trailers of this size.
Some folks need a "hey! look at me" trailer, some don't. There has to be a market for both. I'm not in the market for such a trailer but I hope those who are have as much fun out there as I do.
Christine noticed the heater vent/chimney is under the awning. Wonder if that is an issue. I could see the heat melting the fabric or even worse, catching it on fire.
Very impressive interview. As a pilot and aircraft owner I can attest to his assertions as being true regarding aircraft construction. Keep a close eye on his business as I think this will be a successful endeavor. I am not affiliated with him or his company.
Thanks Drew! That trailer has a plethora of rivets! I love the fold down step to get on the roof. I feel like the angled roof line is more form than function but does give the trailer its on definitive look. I like the heater they used. This trailer might benefit from two 20lb propane tanks which might line up more with the target audience. One change I would make is have a swing out gear box on the back that would swing out to the driver side that give ability to store gear and create more work surface area as well and would perfectly compliment the swing out kitchen to the passenger side.
Brad, you have to quit buying us all this coffee! We are bursting at the seems with coffee. BUT, you know i appreciate it. Haha. I just purchased my first ever off-brand usb charged coffee grinder for camping. I never needed it before. I was always the guy at camp hand grinding everyone's coffee. Well, all of a sudden we have more coffee drinkers with us and even May is consuming at a faster rate than I can keep up with. We have been testing the little sub $20 grinder and so far it is working great. Quiet, a really fine grind for the espresso. It is a ceramic grinder, not steel, but I'm not a coffee snob enough to tell the difference. I like your suggestions on this trailer Brad. And I also think you are right about the propane. That crowd wouldn't even notice a dent in their towing with an additional 20lb propane cylinder.
@@jgrant4520 So far no favorite brand. We basically buy small batch coffee that is on sale. We like trying different coffee from all over the place. For a while we tried the expensive stuff, but just didn't see the value. We are not really fans of highly acidic coffee, and that is what expensive coffee tends to be. If there is no sale, we just pick up something like 8 o'clock or Petes. We aren't picky. Just love that black morning coffee! As for coffee shops. We had quite a few favorites in Thailand, but here in the States my favorite coffee shop is my teardrop trailer or our kitchen. Haha.
Like Drew, think I’ll give this trailer a little while to digest. I’m skeptical and intrigued at the same time. They spoke of an inner shell and outer shell that is insulated in between, but nothing on what the insulation material actually is…I would like to know what any camper is insulated with exactly. Also, I noticed since the rear hitch is recessed underneath the trailer, it looks like actually utilizing a rack to carry bikes may prove cumbersome given the spare tire(s) would be right in the way potentially. I could see having to extend your 2” receiver out more, causing more overall damage to whatever you’re transporting over time. Need to move the bike racks to the tongue in my opinion. Thanks again Drew for the great video and info!!
Like you mentioned almost all manufacturers seem shy to share their r-values and insulating materials. Not sure why. You will see this in almost every one of our videos. Good point in the tire swing out as well. Like I mentioned in our towing mistakes video you are absolutely right about extending out that receiver. Every inch dramatically increases the forces at play that will damage those bikes. I even see this play out with the connection between the tow vehicle and the trailer. Any rises, extenders, moving parts really take away from the overall towing experience.
I noticed the same thing on the tow hitch in back. What can you possibly use that for? Towing another trailer? You can even out a bike rack or storage back there with that angle
I want a night vision camera system on my camper! Your end assessment was probably right… it’s an overlander’s camper. My camper needs storage since I’m in a two door Jeep, but I’ve been thinking about a different tow vehicle. If I got an LJ or 4 door Jeep towing vehicle, I wouldn’t need much storage. Man, I wish I could design an overland camper tho… there is a flip in design that should probably happen.
This is a great perspective that helped put this trailer in context. Sometimes it takes me a while to wrap my head around a new idea. Thanks for sharing!
Well said! I was really struggling with the concept behind this trailer. Obviously I wasn't the intended audience for this build. Good seeing you Mark. And thanks for the short links, it was easy to fit your Lock N' Roll hitch link.
Neat to see Timbren on here. We are also rocking the Timbren's on our Bean Stock 2.0. There is a nod to Timbren in 50% of these videos. Keep doing what you guys are doing!
@PlayingwithSticks agree that Timbrens are a great option so much lighter than the trailing arm shock/coil air systems. Mine have been doing well. I was not happy with the ground clearance on my trailer. All I had to do was switch to a 4" rise spindle and I got 6" more clearance.
Nice camper but that propane needs to be plummed in to the camper. Moving and connecting would be annoying. And the exhaust for the furnace is under the sleeping area tent. Bad idea. Co2
They make boats with rivets that don’t leak so I doubt some rain will get through there. This is definitely for an overlanders. They already have a couple propane tanks already. Magnetic sun shades won’t work, it’s aluminum
The lack of fenders over the entire tire would make this illegal for road use in some areas, if not in most. Magnetic curtains would not work on the aluminum; you would have to use hook-n-loop fasteners. The high mounted cooler would hard to access, and very difficult to lift up or remove a loaded cooler, meaning you would have to load it after you put it in the rack. The "greenhouse" window style would make this a hot trailer indeed. Is air conditioning available? Overall, well constructed but expensive (but cheaper than I would have thought). Great review, Drew.
I remember having a conversation about this trailer during last year. I can see many of your highlights in this video now and some other extras under Drew’s spy glass. Thanks again for bringing another good stuff, compa. So, when is the compostable toilets video coming? Please don’t make us wait a year! 😅 Abrazo, amigo.
I don't want to guarantee it, but I'm 99% sure I'll have it done for this next video. I've just been so busy, I've gotten a bit behind on my edits. It was actually supposed to be this week's video, but I couldn't get it done in time. Are you healing up well? And fast?
@@PlayingwithSticks Cross bars will snag, needs to be plated(skids). Plus the length of the supports will have a lot of leverage when it slams down with that 1000# rack fully loaded.
Saw one in person and it’s very cool, particularly the kitchen, but my main issue with it is that the doors were tiny. Would drive me crazy getting in and out and loading and unloading.
The doors in this industry are still quite small. Unfortunately there is really only 1 door manufacturer out there (lippert). But, Arctic Tern just came out with a new door, so I hope that paves the way for others to start entering the market.
@@PlayingwithSticks we ended up getting an Intech Flyer Pursue and it has pretty large doors. I wonder how they compare to the Bean Stock 2.0, which we still see as an option in our future.
Intech makes a great camper. Good choice. I'm guessing the Bean Stock and Intech have the same door. Bean is using the largest door from Lippert and it looks like Intech is using the same one. Most people call it the "oversized door" or entry.
Drew, even a splitter and two long hoses would work for the propane. Definitely an oversight. I wonder now insulated it is? Looks like an oven in warm weather to me. I am not the demographic for this trailer but I wish them well.
I was looking for that r-value on the insulation as well. Good suggestion on the splitter. I feel like they have a much smaller demographic than most of the trailers we highlight on this channel. But, while small they seem to sell a decent amount of trailers their first 2 years. Now, the real test comes. We are entering the lean years now of trailer sales.
Hmmm....You have a good point there. Haha. I guess they will need to add a little steel/iron to the window frames to make that work. Glad you called me out on that. I guess the alternative would just be velcro.
This was interesting, I’m not a overlander, so this trailer isn’t for me. But it does look kinda fun, I didn’t like the kitchen, the moving propane tank, and the windows! I had just thought that’s going to be hot in there when you said greenhouse windows! I think I’m going to stick with something a little more simple. Thank you, Drew, for a interesting video 🩷
It's such an interesting trailer isn't it. Because in essence it is really simple, But yet with the missing components it feels a bit more complicated. When you have no storage, all of a sudden your tow vehicle gets a lot more complicated. Ramona, I don't think I've ever asked you what you're interested in. What are your top three trailers?
@ well, there’s only one I’m really interested in and that’s the Hiker Trailers. The simplicity of the build, and the quality. When I camp, I just want to set up, and either go hiking or exploring the area I’m in. Simple, nothing fancy, put the chairs out, set the kitchen, make a meal, have a fire, (if it’s not banned), look out for the stars. Just breathe 🩷
I really like what you are saying here. I've actually been working on a video idea with a very similar angle to what you are talking about. This comment is very inspiring for moving forward with that video.
When you first put up the notice for this video, i went to their website and watched several videos. My first impression of this design was that it was from the military. Sometimes, on major highways , you see these looooong caravans of different shaped military vehicles going whoknowswhere. This came out of that line and escaped into the Regular Folk life style. I like this trailer. I'd like to outfit it and camp with it. I'd like to take the fridge out of the galley and swap the stove to that location and put a storage bin on the outside of that arm. I never like swing out galleys, but i could fix this . That swing out also needs a dtop to the ground leg to brake it in the wind. Of all the outside elements, WIND is the biggest one that will shut down cooking. I like the bigger cabin. I like the windows, and that bench would be great for interior cooking. You had a great fold up mattress a few weeks ago that would be awesome in there. Why does the heater vent at the underside of the rooftop tent? And also it's under the window of the roof top tent. Is the solar panel a fixed item? You would always need to be aware of where the sun is relative to the panel. And now the bear spray on ELE. I dont know. I keep thinking about that. It was very dramatic to watch. I'm still thinking about that. I dont overland, but i like the design and size of this trailer. Yes, on the propane canister problem. I agree with you on that. Fun!
Love this break down! Your comments just keep getting better and better. I'm right with you on the military look. That is what I first saw as well. One thing I also didn't mention was how easy this trailer would be to clean. I like the simple aesthetic. And I'm right with you there on that wind comment. Good point on the heater vent, I didn't even notice that. I was so caught up on just the shape of the vent, that I didn't even look around it. The prepper version of this is probably 60% practicality, 40% fun or a talking point. Haha.
See this is what happens when a Trident Nuclear Sub and a AV-8 Harrier meet and have a baby. Paint it Military green and Lewis/McCord will think they’re missing one of their armored transport vehicles from the Yakima Training grounds. Bullet proof windows, seriously?!! Starting price of $67,000. That’s cheap for military grade. All kidding aside, this beast is built to withstand just about anything… except maybe armor piercing bullets.
@@annmariewhale4501 yes! JBLM has been lookin for their bed trailer! I still like this trailer. I think it needs some bear pin striping on the back galley.
That has typically been our philosophy as well. I am changing that a bit lately as we now have a bare bones trailer with no galley. I always say storage is KING!
Could you do a review of an Encore rog 12bh ss or 12rk ss if you have a chance? We are looking at these squaredrops and like the aspect of having no wood in the build. A family of 4 can easily fit in the bh model but lose on a bigger fridge because of space. So our deli a is do we want a bunk for the kids or larger fridge and a rrt
You use pop rivets to build an airplane? I was an A&P mechanic and we never used pop rivets, we used FAA approved rivets only. Does the FAA approve pop rivets nowadays? I have been out of the business for a lot of years so I don't know.
It's small and nitpicky but I hate the location of the the interior bunk shelf. It's a simple shelf spanning two walls, why not make it so you can move it up or down (that way you can swap out the mattress for something thicker and sill have plenty of feet space)? This one is going in the "not for me" file for most of the issues you noted.
I am sure these guys make great airplanes, but off-road trailers are a different animal. I did a deep dive into the new standup called the TL. I lot of the issues that this HV has were carried on to the TL. If anyone is interested in those issues, let me know. So here are some of the problems folks have mentioned on the Mammoth FB group. 1. The beefy carbon steel chassis, rock sliders, tounge box, and rack are not even powder coated. HUGE rust issues. 2. The winows leak like crazy and along with all the aluminum structures, help create big condensation problems. 3. The furnace is rated to 5,000 vertical feet elevation. I would have to go downhill to camp that low. 4. Gaskets falling off and leaking 5. The rear hitch needs an extended draw bar, which limits carring anything back there. 6. Cooktop stove flame king is $80. Water heater. has many issues $140 on Amazon. One owner had a $20 solar charger on his trailer. To be continued...
#1? Really. That shocks me. #2 that answers my question on your other comment. #3 That's worse than the Big Buddy. We carry the Little Buddy with our Big Buddy Just to get above 8-,000-9,000. It's rare we are up that high, but it happens. #5 and then once you extended it you are just adding to the forces working against whatever you install on there. #6 I noticed that as well. Interesting for an overland trailer company to choose inferior products, that is typically the opposite case for anyone selling an offroad trailer. Bonus thought: I could tell they didn't build upon previous trailers in the market, which concerned me. When I asked the President of the company what trailers inspired them and where did they do their research they said none inspired them and they didn't research. They felt the industry was behind, so they took everything they knew form the aircraft industry and built a trailer from scratch. I thought that was an interesting approach. Remember when I shot that Lance trailer video? I applauded them for their research. Every component was the best or one of the best components from the overland industry. A trailer coming from the Large RV Industry, and not cutting corners was impressive. While I also did a lot of head scratching on that trailer, it was nice to see they did their research first.
One thing over looked on almost all "over land trailers is wheel travel! torsion axles suck . short little leaf springs suck. if you plan to travel down a wash board for 100 miles (Death Valley), you need long travel pliable suspension with shocks or your gear will be beat into dust
I'm one of those guys who actually likes a torsion axle. We really aren't carrying fragile gear as campers. It is the trailer that I would be worried about. A properly built trailer can easily handle a dexter torsion axle or simple independent suspension like Timbren. But, I agree that once the price gets higher, that trailer should have some sort of trailing arm/long travel suspension to justify the cost.
When these first came out on the market they were actually cheap compared to competitors but they have significantly increased in price. The value is no longer there. If I recall the first to market ones were $11k and topped out at $18k.
That is a tough one. As many of you know it is in my top 3 trailers. BUT, one feature that everyone loves, is a feature that I believe makes this trailer much less functional than it looks on paper. I'm really having a hard time searching out a Vistabule to make that video because I don't know how I feel about one of my favorite little trailers. At this point I am more of a Daytripper guy. I really love their new bare bones trailer. I think that trailer would be a better fit for many of us. BUT, with all that said, if I do run into a Vistabule I WILL film it and put it on the channel.
@PlayingwithSticks the older models had to be manual lit. The newer model has a button pushing system to light. It has a fan knob and heat knob both manual.
7. Camber and aliment issues. Mammoth initially did not even install the cross members on the Timbren. One customer had a bent frame do to this. 8. Roof leaks. 9. Door latch issues 10. Spare tire rear mounts not beefy enough 11. Shoddy wiring. I will say that most folks seem like the customer service is decent.
Love the pun. Timbren is a bit complicated if you aren't in the industry or you didn't dig deep into the manual. They sell it as if it is axle-less suspension. Well, sort of. But, once you add the axle or build the cross support into the frame, like you mentioned, they are great options.
Your cons are not cons, there is storage you just have to understand our lifestyle. Propane, thats very easy, you get a second 20lb bottle and store it on the rack and you just get a second hose.. and the windows, no issue for me I camp in the artic weather so give me sun, but for others they just cover them and the fan vents heat.
Yep, I think I actually talked about that 2nd propane. And I also talked about what to do with the windows. But thanks for summarizing. And yes, I do understand the lifestyle, that is why I said I had this trailer wrong. I now realize it is for overlanders with a properly outfitted tow rig. Sounds like you may have missed parts of the video. But, I am glad to hear you and I are on the same page.
Intriguing and lots of things to like. But probably a better build than actual design. Needs a thoughtful 2.0 rev. Lack of storage shouldn’t need to be explained away. And for a massive swing-out kitchen, you end up with a smallish fridge and semi-useless second burner. And plumb the damn propane for gosh sakes!
Good idea on the 2.0 rev. Dean. I like that idea a lot. There are a few parts of the design like the ease of cleaning, simplicity, and less is more approach that I appreciate. I think they could build upon this to make a special trailer.
We saw these at Overland Expo East. Interesting, not for us. To me the advantage of a trailer is you can load your trailer, not your vehicle. I too thought the propane could be a pain. Maybe you can get a Y. I run a Y on our propane tank to run two things at once. We have ex NASA people building campers (Taxa), might as well have an airplane builder. 😜
Yes, very interesting. I like the simple aesthetic. And like you, I like to use my trailer for gear. Not as much as I used to. I am slowly going back to my bin system, but If I'm paying this kind of money, I would want more storage. I never thought about running a y-from the end. There probably is an end-y right? Not just a y-from the cylinder like most of us run. What's next...I guess it would be submarine. With our recent submarine news headings, I can see the comments coming.
I think you’re right that storage is probably in pull outs on the pickup that tows the trailer. And there are a lot of guys who would love this sturdy trailer. I know a few myself. As you know Drew, I’m just not one of those guys. Great trailer, just not for me.
I second that. I see the value in this trailer, for the market they were targeting. But for me, it would be hard to accommodate our camping style with this. HOWEVER, I am in the process of picking up a low budget truck (well, when you see it a lot of folks don't even consider it a truck) to try out for camping. I could see if we had a truck, a lot of the issues I have with this trailer would be alleviated. Good seeing you my friend!
@ It is crazy that just a few hours ago I was checking out getting a truck. No monster truck, More like a Tacoma size. You bout ready to snap a shot of you with the truck and no cap??? 😁👍🏻
Who is this trailer for? ...well I have a real life story that provides one answer to that question...was out with the family this past summer in my homemade 5x8 on a 15 night trip exploring the northwest. On one of our last days we pulled into a lake/recreation area in Oregon somewhere. There sat the Mammoth trailer. It caught my eye looking as robust as it does. I parked and went to talk to the owner. We exchanged highlights from our respective adventures, his having been what sounded like a weekend trip. He told me about some of the bells and whistles. Speaking of bells, I remember asking him, "whats that bell looking thing on the side." (The heater vent) As we finished talking I asked where he and his family were headed next...the answer..."oh we are going to go hit up a hotel tonight so we can shower and get a good night sleep." The End. 😊🙃😉
What a great comment. I had no idea where you were going with this. I was interested to see how the story unfolded. I think this may have been the best short story within a comment that I have ever read on this channel.
That is so funny. What trailer do you have? There are a lot of rivet issues with fiberglass trailers like Scamps and Casitas, but I think that is primarily because those are just your standard household pop rivets. But, all it take is another pop-rivet and you are back on the road.
PNW actually. It’s very lightweight and I appreciate they’re trying to innovate with design so am happy to support them. They have some fancy investors.
I don't know maybe im jaded . My family owned a motor home dealership in the 80s. I worked there through high school. After the bad economy we went back into diesel mechanic shop. Anyway I know how these are built even with modern upgrades the markup is ridiculous and has gotten worse. Most motorhomes and trailers are only designed to last 5 to 10 years before stuff starts falling apart. I really don't understand paying 20,000 for a bed. Teardrop trailers were designed for people that couldn't afford a trailer but had skills and liked camping. Now they cost the same. Really believe a suspension cost $10,000. Just don't understand
My guess is as a defensive mechanism right? Does that make sense? Like instead of you shooting that bear spray, it is you holed up in your camper protecting yourself from any gases used to push you out. I literally have no idea. Haha. I'm pretty sure it is some sort of prepper mentality. I have a lot to learn in this area.
If the cabin is sealed, shouldn’t there be a way to get fresh clean air to survive? Does the heater blow in fresh air? Moreover, how does the cabin pressurize with a fantastic air fan in the ceiling, and regular doors?
He’s really not talking about airplanes in general, he’s talking about airliners. Most aluminum airplanes are single wall, leak, are easily bent, rattle, and you’d never build a trailer that way.
I had a feeling this wouldn't be for everyone. I get it on a budget camper, somewhat. Even a budget camper I think could benefit from plumbed propane, but on a mid-price camper I feel like at least one component of the camper should be plumbed.
Thanks for the video. And thanks for sharing when you did. This trailer clearly isnt for me. Not sure who it is for. A $40k trailer that you have to move propane tanks around, zero storage, and a kitchen that slides out beyond the galley canopy into the rain. I think this is made for doomsday preppers. Or for guys that hate their wife and kids. Oh a 1 ft wide bunk bed, how comfy. This video only confirms I made the right choice ordering a VTW XTR. Much better trailer for the price. Something useful by humans, which this isnt. Lastly, what was with the NOS tank in the trailer? Seems as gimmicky as these trailers
I can see why you held onto this video. Total head scratcher. Like a nascent AI design. Chalk it up to claustrophobia but gave up at the submarine doors.
Not very well set up for frequent moves and everyday use. Doesnt seem very ergonomic either. No way do i want to take that much time setting up and taking down and moving things around from the tow vehicle. Not remotely interested at even half the price. Sorry.
Haha. I wasn't sure what to do with this one. I wanted to say stay away from this trailer, but we don't do that on this channel. If a trailer hits the channel it means I see value in it. As I held onto this video I did finally see the value, but it is for a very small segment of the population. Most of us, are still going to be scratching out heads a bit.
This is probably my least favorite trailer I have seen on this channel... The kitchen might as well be built into the back and just a table to prep food, then add in the walmart led strip attached above? The spare tire just swings freely (we know how that'll go on those windy days). Not too mention the swing out puts the stove out in the weather... Then we move onto the roof fold out step with no handles what so every to climb up on, are we supposed to just jump up on that step or grab the solar panel? The cooler rack... What a very odd place for this... That's either the tundra 45 (24.6lbs empty) or the Tundra 65 (30.3lbs empty)... Please explain how that makes any sense what so ever! Who's lifting a loaded cooler up there (not too mention sitting right in the sun)!? Propane tank mounted on the front of the tongue with no protection at all from rocks etc. Why in the world is the propane line not connected in a system with cut off valves to allow the tank to stay in place at all times and cut off what's not needed? Who wants to keep carrying a tank around and choose "Do we have heat in cold weather or do we cook"?
I can tell you understand why I held on to this video for a while. 😂 It took me awhile to figure out who it was for. I do see the value in it, it's just not a good fit for our family and many of the people in the playing with sticks community.
@@PlayingwithSticks I realize re-reading my comment, it sounds like an angry rant😂 But yes, I most Definitely see why you held onto this video 😂 But hey, we all still love your work and dedication to showing everything that's out there!
Drew, at the beginning of this video you state that you have held onto this video for over a year. The person talking in the video makes a joke about some people claiming they have worked at McDonalds (a very recent AND POLITICAL influenced statement - obviously referring to the US democratic presidential candidate). I am very disappointed in myself for having followed and trusted you for years after watching this video. Additionally, for those considering this product, rivets are NOT the modern tech in aerospace, replaced by space grade adhesives and sealants (far outperform vibration and temperature fluctuations- look it up)… so disappointed in the direction you have chosen Drew. Honestly shaking my head right now.
Tracy, when people make bold statements like this, I sure hope they can back them up. That's a pretty strong statement to make based on a comment about McDonald's. I'm going to leave this comment up there so people can point out some other things they saw in this video to verify the date. If you watch our channel, you know what I'm about and you know I would have no reason to lie about the date of this video. But it does disappoint me when people think I'm trying to hoodwink them. So if you'd like to reach out to me by our email which you can find on our UA-cam channel, I will send you the exact video file which you can pull the date off of. I'm talking the one with his McDonald's comment. You can just right click the video file and it will have the date it was created. As you've been aware all these years, I have nothing to hide, I don't mislead, if something comes off as a political statement, it wasn't purposeful, I'm just making videos about things I love.
Also Tracy another easy way you can verify this is just looking up the company and seeing how long they've been selling trailers. You take that and the statements that they said in the beginning of the video about how many trailers they've sold in so and so amount of time and that math will add up as well.
Thank you for replying and for having the integrity to keep my comment up Drew, that does give me hope that all is not lost here. I did re-watch the video before I posted my comment because, well… I just didn’t want to believe what I believed I just saw. I have beard of the company before and understand they are not new. To get to the point: I do not want politics in my playing with sticks feed -ever! This is not the place! I do not understand how you can explain away the McDonalds comment and I honestly, tried hard to explain it away… I TRIED! Please just edit that out and repost. When it was recorded is not important, turning your work into a political tribe decision for viewers is. Stay out of it, keep your integrity and revenue stream potential would be my advice.
Tacey I really don't know why I am sticking my nose in here but I watched this video several times with captions on. It really didn't sound like he was referring to the vp nonsense about working at Macdonalds. I have heard well to do folks say " I worked at Macdonalds or some other fast food job when I was youg" If it was ment in a political way that would have to be the most subtle political coment known to man. Why would he make a video trying to sell his trailer and upset 50% of his potential customers. Also why would you give Drew a hard time? My guess is all will be okay for you in a few day 😉
Baret I want to have an innocent view because that would be so much less stressful - when I view with the context of a person making these statements in front of a black flag symbol printed on their product, it’s hard to ignore . But sure, count me as over-reacting … that tracks
Great video, Drew! I couldn’t see this ever being the right choice for my set up, but I’m glad that there’s something for everyone.
Thank you
I have always really liked (irrationally so) this trailer. My wife on the other hand took one look at this trailer and said no thank you. I think
you really highlighted the trailers problems very well. The lack of storage and propane tank swapping would drive me nuts. The heater also looks like it would be great for small hands to become burnt hands. I appreciate you finally highlighting it!
Glad this was helpful. Originally like I mentioned I couldn't see the value at all which is why I never put it on the channel. But I filled it originally because so many people in the community were either highly interested in it or were buying it. So I really wanted to see what they saw. And again like I said I'm glad I held on to the video because I have come to understand who it's for, but at first I was like why are people buying this?!!! Sometimes it takes me longer to see the thought process behind a trailer. But with all that said, I think for 90% of us in the community this wouldn't be a good fit. This is for a very niche demographic
Having owned everything from a $12,000 overland trailer to a $65,000 small overland trailers, I can tell you there isn't much difference in what you get. Sure layouts are important and that is the major differences. Materials on most of these small overland trailers are just fine at all price points. The more I look at these the more it makes buying a small cargo trailer, (made for abuse usually) throwing some timbren axeless suspension on it, and building it out (or have it built out by a local place) the way you want it. You can do this all for around $15,000 (stove, heat, water, shower, beds, etc.etc..) and have the same if not more capability as this trailer. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with these trailers, they are "cool", they are just not made for your everyday overlander/camper IMO.
I like your take on this Preston. I would agree. The more campers I take out the more I realize a budget camper does 80% of what every high dollar camper can do. As you may know we also have a converted cargo trailer. We have had it for over 5 years and have never put it on the channel. I finally filmed it this summer, so I will get it up there this season. There are a lot of pros for going this route.
It would be cool if Toyota made a camper that was indestructible though
Sign me up to test that!
@@PlayingwithSticksyup, all I need one for is music festivals and bluegrass “pickin parties.” So heat, cooling, and lockable storage. Cooking can be done on a table outdoors. A dinette may be nice for rainy days and meals. So something like a Rustic Trails Koala is the dream. But it looks like in terms of cost and lack of maintenance (I live in Maine so it’d be out in the snow all winter), a cargo trailer may be the way to go. My biggest gripe with most teardrops and small trailers is they use way too much space for cabinets and kitchen space. I’d much rather have it open to lock up my guitars. Something like a road toad tote might be good too. But again cost and availability, a cargo trailer seems hard to beat. And you can add and subtract features as you experiment
I follow Rustic Trails pretty religiously, but I think I missed the Koala. Sounds like they have a new model? I'm with you on the space eating cabinets. I used to love them, but the less I have the happier I am. I like open space. I think that Road Toad would do well in your climate, so would a budget trailer from Runaway or Tiny Camper Company, both of these manufacturers use composite as well. We have a converted, well semi-converted cargo trailer. We have had it for over 5 years, you may have seen it in the background of our videos because we camped out of it for 6 months at a time for two different seasons. They definitely have their place. Great little trailers, with an affordable price tag, and a BIG feel to them.
Thanks for the video Drew. This is for a very narrow market, they won't be flying out the door. Also a bit of puffery from the people pushing them. Not for me. I appreciate what you do so I don't have to go and look at one.
Thank you for the kind words. Glad to know these videos are helpful, or at least entertaining. While this trailer isn't really designed for me. I did enjoy seeing them take a new approach.
It is a very interesting trailer. Always liked the idea of no rotting. I agree with your cons. And I also like their suspension. It is the same I have on mine. Although my heater is mounted to the side of my trailer I do like to have a bottle designated for its propane needs always ready to go. My propane for my stove is mounted to the side of the trailer and you have to screw it in and unscrew it. That way you are sure it is disconnected and off. Cabinets on the inside sure would be nice though.
The appearance seems very clean, which is pleasing to the eye. And some 409 and a towel and it's clean.
Love the videos! Much love to you and your family as always.🥃
I probably should have played up the no rotting point. I forget sometimes that i need to approach each of these videos, like nobody has ever seen these concept. Thanks for reminding me of this. I agree, it has a very clean look. And when you are in it, it feels very spacious because of the lack of cabinets. Thanks for taking the time to share your perspective on this. I really appreciate it.
Considering the build, the price isn't too horrible. I agree that this is for the rugged, get out of dodge, hard core overlander who just needs a bed on wheels, with a compact kitchen. Propane plumbing is an issue and I don't really understand the reason for the pull out kitchen. Serms to me that adds unnecessary weight. Speaking of which, I didn't catch a weight for the base model. There's a specific market for this and I hope they are successful.
Funny you mentioned the weight. I was hoping nobody mentioned it, because I realized after I uploaded the video that I forgot to mention the weight. The dry weight is 1650 which is pretty comparable to other overland trailers of this size.
Some folks need a "hey! look at me" trailer, some don't. There has to be a market for both. I'm not in the market for such a trailer but I hope those who are have as much fun out there as I do.
It does grab your attention doesn't it. Definitely a talking piece.
Christine noticed the heater vent/chimney is under the awning. Wonder if that is an issue. I could see the heat melting the fabric or even worse, catching it on fire.
I saw that too! It really worried me since it would melt/ignight the floor of the RTT! Like someone else said, Propex would be a better fit
Good eye. I missed that the first time around.
Very impressive interview. As a pilot and aircraft owner I can attest to his assertions as being true regarding aircraft construction. Keep a close eye on his business as I think this will be a successful endeavor. I am not affiliated with him or his company.
Thank you for sharing this. This method of construction is way outside my wheelhouse. So I appreciate the comment.
Thanks Drew! That trailer has a plethora of rivets! I love the fold down step to get on the roof. I feel like the angled roof line is more form than function but does give the trailer its on definitive look. I like the heater they used. This trailer might benefit from two 20lb propane tanks which might line up more with the target audience. One change I would make is have a swing out gear box on the back that would swing out to the driver side that give ability to store gear and create more work surface area as well and would perfectly compliment the swing out kitchen to the passenger side.
Brad, you have to quit buying us all this coffee! We are bursting at the seems with coffee. BUT, you know i appreciate it. Haha. I just purchased my first ever off-brand usb charged coffee grinder for camping. I never needed it before. I was always the guy at camp hand grinding everyone's coffee. Well, all of a sudden we have more coffee drinkers with us and even May is consuming at a faster rate than I can keep up with. We have been testing the little sub $20 grinder and so far it is working great. Quiet, a really fine grind for the espresso. It is a ceramic grinder, not steel, but I'm not a coffee snob enough to tell the difference. I like your suggestions on this trailer Brad. And I also think you are right about the propane. That crowd wouldn't even notice a dent in their towing with an additional 20lb propane cylinder.
@ what are some of your favorite coffee brands you have been using! Didn’t know if you and May had a favorite coffee shop!
@@jgrant4520 So far no favorite brand. We basically buy small batch coffee that is on sale. We like trying different coffee from all over the place. For a while we tried the expensive stuff, but just didn't see the value. We are not really fans of highly acidic coffee, and that is what expensive coffee tends to be. If there is no sale, we just pick up something like 8 o'clock or Petes. We aren't picky. Just love that black morning coffee! As for coffee shops. We had quite a few favorites in Thailand, but here in the States my favorite coffee shop is my teardrop trailer or our kitchen. Haha.
Kicking horse coffee.....just sayin...
If you find a sturdy USB charging burr grinder could you post it?
Like Drew, think I’ll give this trailer a little while to digest. I’m skeptical and intrigued at the same time. They spoke of an inner shell and outer shell that is insulated in between, but nothing on what the insulation material actually is…I would like to know what any camper is insulated with exactly. Also, I noticed since the rear hitch is recessed underneath the trailer, it looks like actually utilizing a rack to carry bikes may prove cumbersome given the spare tire(s) would be right in the way potentially. I could see having to extend your 2” receiver out more, causing more overall damage to whatever you’re transporting over time. Need to move the bike racks to the tongue in my opinion. Thanks again Drew for the great video and info!!
Like you mentioned almost all manufacturers seem shy to share their r-values and insulating materials. Not sure why. You will see this in almost every one of our videos. Good point in the tire swing out as well. Like I mentioned in our towing mistakes video you are absolutely right about extending out that receiver. Every inch dramatically increases the forces at play that will damage those bikes. I even see this play out with the connection between the tow vehicle and the trailer. Any rises, extenders, moving parts really take away from the overall towing experience.
I noticed the same thing on the tow hitch in back. What can you possibly use that for? Towing another trailer? You can even out a bike rack or storage back there with that angle
I want a night vision camera system on my camper! Your end assessment was probably right… it’s an overlander’s camper. My camper needs storage since I’m in a two door Jeep, but I’ve been thinking about a different tow vehicle. If I got an LJ or 4 door Jeep towing vehicle, I wouldn’t need much storage. Man, I wish I could design an overland camper tho… there is a flip in design that should probably happen.
This is a great perspective that helped put this trailer in context. Sometimes it takes me a while to wrap my head around a new idea. Thanks for sharing!
Well said! I was really struggling with the concept behind this trailer. Obviously I wasn't the intended audience for this build. Good seeing you Mark. And thanks for the short links, it was easy to fit your Lock N' Roll hitch link.
@@PlayingwithSticks Thanks Drew. We should catch up again sometime. Glad you're still at it!
Looking good! 🙌
Neat to see Timbren on here. We are also rocking the Timbren's on our Bean Stock 2.0. There is a nod to Timbren in 50% of these videos. Keep doing what you guys are doing!
@PlayingwithSticks agree that Timbrens are a great option so much lighter than the trailing arm shock/coil air systems. Mine have been doing well. I was not happy with the ground clearance on my trailer. All I had to do was switch to a 4" rise spindle and I got 6" more clearance.
Nice camper but that propane needs to be plummed in to the camper. Moving and connecting would be annoying. And the exhaust for the furnace is under the sleeping area tent. Bad idea. Co2
They make boats with rivets that don’t leak so I doubt some rain will get through there. This is definitely for an overlanders. They already have a couple propane tanks already. Magnetic sun shades won’t work, it’s aluminum
The lack of fenders over the entire tire would make this illegal for road use in some areas, if not in most. Magnetic curtains would not work on the aluminum; you would have to use hook-n-loop fasteners. The high mounted cooler would hard to access, and very difficult to lift up or remove a loaded cooler, meaning you would have to load it after you put it in the rack. The "greenhouse" window style would make this a hot trailer indeed. Is air conditioning available? Overall, well constructed but expensive (but cheaper than I would have thought). Great review, Drew.
Yeah I totally missed the mark on that magnet comment. 😆 Thanks for pointing that out. I also didn't even realize that about the fenders.
I remember having a conversation about this trailer during last year.
I can see many of your highlights in this video now and some other extras under Drew’s spy glass.
Thanks again for bringing another good stuff, compa.
So, when is the compostable toilets video coming? Please don’t make us wait a year! 😅
Abrazo, amigo.
I don't want to guarantee it, but I'm 99% sure I'll have it done for this next video. I've just been so busy, I've gotten a bit behind on my edits. It was actually supposed to be this week's video, but I couldn't get it done in time. Are you healing up well? And fast?
Those Rock sliders are only for bashing not sliding. Why aren't propane lines ran thru out ? 2" suspension travel? Aluminum interior condensation?
Are you saying that because of the right angles of the "sliders" Sorry sometimes it takes me a while to pick up on things.
@@PlayingwithSticks Cross bars will snag, needs to be plated(skids). Plus the length of the supports will have a lot of leverage when it slams down with that 1000# rack fully loaded.
Thanks for pointing this out. The offroad trailers are one of my weakpoints. Learning something new everyday.
Saw one in person and it’s very cool, particularly the kitchen, but my main issue with it is that the doors were tiny. Would drive me crazy getting in and out and loading and unloading.
The doors in this industry are still quite small. Unfortunately there is really only 1 door manufacturer out there (lippert). But, Arctic Tern just came out with a new door, so I hope that paves the way for others to start entering the market.
@@PlayingwithSticks we ended up getting an Intech Flyer Pursue and it has pretty large doors. I wonder how they compare to the Bean Stock 2.0, which we still see as an option in our future.
Intech makes a great camper. Good choice. I'm guessing the Bean Stock and Intech have the same door. Bean is using the largest door from Lippert and it looks like Intech is using the same one. Most people call it the "oversized door" or entry.
Drew, even a splitter and two long hoses would work for the propane. Definitely an oversight. I wonder now insulated it is? Looks like an oven in warm weather to me. I am not the demographic for this trailer but I wish them well.
I was looking for that r-value on the insulation as well. Good suggestion on the splitter. I feel like they have a much smaller demographic than most of the trailers we highlight on this channel. But, while small they seem to sell a decent amount of trailers their first 2 years. Now, the real test comes. We are entering the lean years now of trailer sales.
Magnetic blackout shades on aluminum?
Hmmm....You have a good point there. Haha. I guess they will need to add a little steel/iron to the window frames to make that work. Glad you called me out on that. I guess the alternative would just be velcro.
This was interesting, I’m not a overlander, so this trailer isn’t for me. But it does look kinda fun, I didn’t like the kitchen, the moving propane tank, and the windows! I had just thought that’s going to be hot in there when you said greenhouse windows! I think I’m going to stick with something a little more simple. Thank you, Drew, for a interesting video 🩷
It's such an interesting trailer isn't it. Because in essence it is really simple, But yet with the missing components it feels a bit more complicated. When you have no storage, all of a sudden your tow vehicle gets a lot more complicated. Ramona, I don't think I've ever asked you what you're interested in. What are your top three trailers?
@ well, there’s only one I’m really interested in and that’s the Hiker Trailers. The simplicity of the build, and the quality. When I camp, I just want to set up, and either go hiking or exploring the area I’m in. Simple, nothing fancy, put the chairs out, set the kitchen, make a meal, have a fire, (if it’s not banned), look out for the stars. Just breathe 🩷
I really like what you are saying here. I've actually been working on a video idea with a very similar angle to what you are talking about. This comment is very inspiring for moving forward with that video.
When you first put up the notice for this video, i went to their website and watched several videos. My first impression of this design was that it was from the military. Sometimes, on major highways , you see these looooong caravans of different shaped military vehicles going whoknowswhere. This came out of that line and escaped into the Regular Folk life style.
I like this trailer. I'd like to outfit it and camp with it. I'd like to take the fridge out of the galley and swap the stove to that location and put a storage bin on the outside of that arm. I never like swing out galleys, but i could fix this . That swing out also needs a dtop to the ground leg to brake it in the wind. Of all the outside elements, WIND is the biggest one that will shut down cooking.
I like the bigger cabin. I like the windows, and that bench would be great for interior cooking. You had a great fold up mattress a few weeks ago that would be awesome in there.
Why does the heater vent at the underside of the rooftop tent? And also it's under the window of the roof top tent.
Is the solar panel a fixed item? You would always need to be aware of where the sun is relative to the panel.
And now the bear spray on ELE. I dont know. I keep thinking about that. It was very dramatic to watch. I'm still thinking about that.
I dont overland, but i like the design and size of this trailer.
Yes, on the propane canister problem. I agree with you on that.
Fun!
Love this break down! Your comments just keep getting better and better. I'm right with you on the military look. That is what I first saw as well. One thing I also didn't mention was how easy this trailer would be to clean. I like the simple aesthetic. And I'm right with you there on that wind comment. Good point on the heater vent, I didn't even notice that. I was so caught up on just the shape of the vent, that I didn't even look around it. The prepper version of this is probably 60% practicality, 40% fun or a talking point. Haha.
See this is what happens when a Trident Nuclear Sub and a AV-8 Harrier meet and have a baby. Paint it Military green and Lewis/McCord will think they’re missing one of their armored transport vehicles from the Yakima Training grounds.
Bullet proof windows, seriously?!!
Starting price of $67,000. That’s cheap for military grade.
All kidding aside, this beast is built to withstand just about anything… except maybe armor piercing bullets.
@@annmariewhale4501 yes! JBLM has been lookin for their bed trailer!
I still like this trailer.
I think it needs some bear pin striping on the back galley.
Haha. Love your take on this!
I want to see a version 2.0. I hope they update this trailer soon.
Not a fan of the lack of storage. We like to keep trailer things on/in the trailer, not in the tow vehicle.
That has typically been our philosophy as well. I am changing that a bit lately as we now have a bare bones trailer with no galley. I always say storage is KING!
Way too much moving around of the propane tank for the different functions. It is a nice camper but that’s a deal breaker for me.
Could you do a review of an Encore rog 12bh ss or 12rk ss if you have a chance? We are looking at these squaredrops and like the aspect of having no wood in the build. A family of 4 can easily fit in the bh model but lose on a bigger fridge because of space. So our deli a is do we want a bunk for the kids or larger fridge and a rrt
You use pop rivets to build an airplane? I was an A&P mechanic and we never used pop rivets, we used FAA approved rivets only. Does the FAA approve pop rivets nowadays? I have been out of the business for a lot of years so I don't know.
It's small and nitpicky but I hate the location of the the interior bunk shelf. It's a simple shelf spanning two walls, why not make it so you can move it up or down (that way you can swap out the mattress for something thicker and sill have plenty of feet space)? This one is going in the "not for me" file for most of the issues you noted.
Thanks for sharing. It did look like it hinged though right? I thought that was a nice touch. But, also not sure if it actually did hinge. Haha.
I am sure these guys make great airplanes, but off-road trailers are a different animal.
I did a deep dive into the new standup called the TL. I lot of the issues that this HV has were carried on to the TL. If anyone is interested in those issues, let me know.
So here are some of the problems folks have mentioned on the Mammoth FB group.
1. The beefy carbon steel chassis, rock sliders, tounge box, and rack are not even powder coated. HUGE rust issues.
2. The winows leak like crazy and along with all the aluminum structures, help create big condensation problems.
3. The furnace is rated to 5,000 vertical feet elevation. I would have to go downhill to camp that low.
4. Gaskets falling off and leaking
5. The rear hitch needs an extended draw bar, which limits carring anything back there.
6. Cooktop stove flame king is $80. Water heater. has many issues $140 on Amazon. One owner had a $20 solar charger on his trailer.
To be continued...
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#1? Really. That shocks me. #2 that answers my question on your other comment. #3 That's worse than the Big Buddy. We carry the Little Buddy with our Big Buddy Just to get above 8-,000-9,000. It's rare we are up that high, but it happens. #5 and then once you extended it you are just adding to the forces working against whatever you install on there. #6 I noticed that as well. Interesting for an overland trailer company to choose inferior products, that is typically the opposite case for anyone selling an offroad trailer. Bonus thought: I could tell they didn't build upon previous trailers in the market, which concerned me. When I asked the President of the company what trailers inspired them and where did they do their research they said none inspired them and they didn't research. They felt the industry was behind, so they took everything they knew form the aircraft industry and built a trailer from scratch. I thought that was an interesting approach. Remember when I shot that Lance trailer video? I applauded them for their research. Every component was the best or one of the best components from the overland industry. A trailer coming from the Large RV Industry, and not cutting corners was impressive. While I also did a lot of head scratching on that trailer, it was nice to see they did their research first.
One thing over looked on almost all "over land trailers is wheel travel! torsion axles suck . short little leaf springs suck. if you plan to travel down a wash board for 100 miles (Death Valley), you need long travel pliable suspension with shocks or your gear will be beat into dust
Not if you drive slow and easy Timbrens are good enough in my opinion. Much lighter , less sway on hyway and less to go wrong
I'm one of those guys who actually likes a torsion axle. We really aren't carrying fragile gear as campers. It is the trailer that I would be worried about. A properly built trailer can easily handle a dexter torsion axle or simple independent suspension like Timbren. But, I agree that once the price gets higher, that trailer should have some sort of trailing arm/long travel suspension to justify the cost.
When these first came out on the market they were actually cheap compared to competitors but they have significantly increased in price. The value is no longer there.
If I recall the first to market ones were $11k and topped out at $18k.
Oh wow! Maybe that is why I saw so many people buying them early on during their initial release. I just assumed they were about $20-$25K.
Is the heater vent venting right into the roof tent?
I think you are the third person to notice that. Thank you for sharing.
Drew can you please review the Vistabule line of trailers, many of us would value your opinion.
🙋🏼♀️yes yes I’d like to hear that!!!!!!
That is a tough one. As many of you know it is in my top 3 trailers. BUT, one feature that everyone loves, is a feature that I believe makes this trailer much less functional than it looks on paper. I'm really having a hard time searching out a Vistabule to make that video because I don't know how I feel about one of my favorite little trailers. At this point I am more of a Daytripper guy. I really love their new bare bones trailer. I think that trailer would be a better fit for many of us. BUT, with all that said, if I do run into a Vistabule I WILL film it and put it on the channel.
Not for me, but still interesting..
We are getting a number of these comments today. I would agree. Good seeing you on there.
Saying “I can’t get through a night with the heater on” is an interesting statement. Haha. Hopefully there is a thermostat to control that…
Nope
I just assumed there would be a thermostat. Interesting.
@PlayingwithSticks the older models had to be manual lit. The newer model has a button pushing system to light. It has a fan knob and heat knob both manual.
I like the simplicity, but I also see the potential issues there.
Lots of blind rivets. Airliners use solid rivets with limited interior exceptions.
Sorry, I'm new to all of this. Can you explain that a little more? Are blind rivets good?
7. Camber and aliment issues. Mammoth initially did not even install the cross members on the Timbren. One customer had a bent frame do to this.
8. Roof leaks.
9. Door latch issues
10. Spare tire rear mounts not beefy enough
11. Shoddy wiring.
I will say that most folks seem like the customer service is decent.
#8 was the one that kept popping up online. Which is why I asked about the rivets. Wonder if it is the windows?
@@PlayingwithSticksI believe it's more the windows
The Timbren ignorance is the tell tell sign they winged it pardon the pun
Love the pun. Timbren is a bit complicated if you aren't in the industry or you didn't dig deep into the manual. They sell it as if it is axle-less suspension. Well, sort of. But, once you add the axle or build the cross support into the frame, like you mentioned, they are great options.
Your cons are not cons, there is storage you just have to understand our lifestyle. Propane, thats very easy, you get a second 20lb bottle and store it on the rack and you just get a second hose.. and the windows, no issue for me I camp in the artic weather so give me sun, but for others they just cover them and the fan vents heat.
Yep, I think I actually talked about that 2nd propane. And I also talked about what to do with the windows. But thanks for summarizing. And yes, I do understand the lifestyle, that is why I said I had this trailer wrong. I now realize it is for overlanders with a properly outfitted tow rig. Sounds like you may have missed parts of the video. But, I am glad to hear you and I are on the same page.
Intriguing and lots of things to like. But probably a better build than actual design. Needs a thoughtful 2.0 rev. Lack of storage shouldn’t need to be explained away. And for a massive swing-out kitchen, you end up with a smallish fridge and semi-useless second burner. And plumb the damn propane for gosh sakes!
Good idea on the 2.0 rev. Dean. I like that idea a lot. There are a few parts of the design like the ease of cleaning, simplicity, and less is more approach that I appreciate. I think they could build upon this to make a special trailer.
We saw these at Overland Expo East. Interesting, not for us. To me the advantage of a trailer is you can load your trailer, not your vehicle. I too thought the propane could be a pain. Maybe you can get a Y. I run a Y on our propane tank to run two things at once. We have ex NASA people building campers (Taxa), might as well have an airplane builder. 😜
Yes, very interesting. I like the simple aesthetic. And like you, I like to use my trailer for gear. Not as much as I used to. I am slowly going back to my bin system, but If I'm paying this kind of money, I would want more storage. I never thought about running a y-from the end. There probably is an end-y right? Not just a y-from the cylinder like most of us run. What's next...I guess it would be submarine. With our recent submarine news headings, I can see the comments coming.
It comes with a nitrous oxide tank?
😂 I kept looking at that the whole time.I was editing this video. I'm pretty sure it's a pillow right? It was really throwing me
Needs a Propex furnace instead of that furnace!
Hard to beat a propex. But, it was refreshing to see something new out there.
I think you’re right that storage is probably in pull outs on the pickup that tows the trailer.
And there are a lot of guys who would love this sturdy trailer. I know a few myself.
As you know Drew, I’m just not one of those guys. Great trailer, just not for me.
I second that. I see the value in this trailer, for the market they were targeting. But for me, it would be hard to accommodate our camping style with this. HOWEVER, I am in the process of picking up a low budget truck (well, when you see it a lot of folks don't even consider it a truck) to try out for camping. I could see if we had a truck, a lot of the issues I have with this trailer would be alleviated. Good seeing you my friend!
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It is crazy that just a few hours ago I was checking out getting a truck. No monster truck, More like a Tacoma size. You bout ready to snap a shot of you with the truck and no cap??? 😁👍🏻
I would love a Tacoma, but my cheapness always wins over. Haha. Still not ready for that shot. The hair has so long to go!
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Gonna have to wait til touches shoulders?
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I may pick up a used Tacoma
Who is this trailer for? ...well I have a real life story that provides one answer to that question...was out with the family this past summer in my homemade 5x8 on a 15 night trip exploring the northwest. On one of our last days we pulled into a lake/recreation area in Oregon somewhere. There sat the Mammoth trailer. It caught my eye looking as robust as it does. I parked and went to talk to the owner. We exchanged highlights from our respective adventures, his having been what sounded like a weekend trip. He told me about some of the bells and whistles. Speaking of bells, I remember asking him, "whats that bell looking thing on the side." (The heater vent) As we finished talking I asked where he and his family were headed next...the answer..."oh we are going to go hit up a hotel tonight so we can shower and get a good night sleep." The End. 😊🙃😉
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What a great comment. I had no idea where you were going with this. I was interested to see how the story unfolded. I think this may have been the best short story within a comment that I have ever read on this channel.
Also, my trailer uses rivets, no problem what so ever. It’s everywhere there’s screws I have to go make sure they’re not falling off. 😂
That is so funny. What trailer do you have? There are a lot of rivet issues with fiberglass trailers like Scamps and Casitas, but I think that is primarily because those are just your standard household pop rivets. But, all it take is another pop-rivet and you are back on the road.
Polydrops P19, we are a rare breed. 😀 It’s all aluminum so that’s probably why it’s fine.
How neat, I'm going out on a limb here and saying you are from California? Was I far off? That is a neat trailer.
PNW actually. It’s very lightweight and I appreciate they’re trying to innovate with design so am happy to support them. They have some fancy investors.
I had a feeling it was west coast, but I went all in on that California guess. Haha. Agreed, the weight and the aerodynamics are praise worthy.
I don't know maybe im jaded .
My family owned a motor home dealership in the 80s. I worked there through high school.
After the bad economy we went back into diesel mechanic shop.
Anyway I know how these are built even with modern upgrades the markup is ridiculous and has gotten worse.
Most motorhomes and trailers are only designed to last 5 to 10 years before stuff starts falling apart.
I really don't understand paying 20,000 for a bed.
Teardrop trailers were designed for people that couldn't afford a trailer but had skills and liked camping. Now they cost the same. Really believe a suspension cost $10,000.
Just don't understand
Yeah, the industry is a little out of control. But, sales are down and I'm predicting we will see the industry prices self correct soon.
I don’t get the cabin pressurization, like you go up a mountain and can sleep at sea level?
My guess is as a defensive mechanism right? Does that make sense? Like instead of you shooting that bear spray, it is you holed up in your camper protecting yourself from any gases used to push you out. I literally have no idea. Haha. I'm pretty sure it is some sort of prepper mentality. I have a lot to learn in this area.
Oh right, they’re selling to preppers. 🥜🥜🥜
If the cabin is sealed, shouldn’t there be a way to get fresh clean air to survive? Does the heater blow in fresh air? Moreover, how does the cabin pressurize with a fantastic air fan in the ceiling, and regular doors?
Haha. How dare you ask these tough questions...They are really good by the way.
You’re going to start seeing those fans on Boeings soon 😂
Groovy ... I bet this cost more than $1,500.00 dollars
I'm not going to put up a bet against you, because I think you may win
I know that’s there… but what about HERE?
Sorry, not sure what this is referring to.
He’s really not talking about airplanes in general, he’s talking about airliners. Most aluminum airplanes are single wall, leak, are easily bent, rattle, and you’d never build a trailer that way.
Thanks for clarifying.
Too much moving the tank. IMO
I had a feeling this wouldn't be for everyone. I get it on a budget camper, somewhat. Even a budget camper I think could benefit from plumbed propane, but on a mid-price camper I feel like at least one component of the camper should be plumbed.
Thanks for the video. And thanks for sharing when you did. This trailer clearly isnt for me. Not sure who it is for. A $40k trailer that you have to move propane tanks around, zero storage, and a kitchen that slides out beyond the galley canopy into the rain. I think this is made for doomsday preppers. Or for guys that hate their wife and kids. Oh a 1 ft wide bunk bed, how comfy. This video only confirms I made the right choice ordering a VTW XTR. Much better trailer for the price. Something useful by humans, which this isnt.
Lastly, what was with the NOS tank in the trailer? Seems as gimmicky as these trailers
Haha. I thought the same thing the entire time I was editing the video. I think it is actually a pillow.
I can see why you held onto this video. Total head scratcher. Like a nascent AI design. Chalk it up to claustrophobia but gave up at the submarine doors.
Haha. Very interesting take here. I love it!
Revcon Ford better
Not very well set up for frequent moves and everyday use. Doesnt seem very ergonomic either. No way do i want to take that much time setting up and taking down and moving things around from the tow vehicle. Not remotely interested at even half the price. Sorry.
Should've lost this footage, very confused trailer! Not ur fault!
Haha. I wasn't sure what to do with this one. I wanted to say stay away from this trailer, but we don't do that on this channel. If a trailer hits the channel it means I see value in it. As I held onto this video I did finally see the value, but it is for a very small segment of the population. Most of us, are still going to be scratching out heads a bit.
This is probably my least favorite trailer I have seen on this channel... The kitchen might as well be built into the back and just a table to prep food, then add in the walmart led strip attached above? The spare tire just swings freely (we know how that'll go on those windy days). Not too mention the swing out puts the stove out in the weather... Then we move onto the roof fold out step with no handles what so every to climb up on, are we supposed to just jump up on that step or grab the solar panel? The cooler rack... What a very odd place for this... That's either the tundra 45 (24.6lbs empty) or the Tundra 65 (30.3lbs empty)... Please explain how that makes any sense what so ever! Who's lifting a loaded cooler up there (not too mention sitting right in the sun)!? Propane tank mounted on the front of the tongue with no protection at all from rocks etc. Why in the world is the propane line not connected in a system with cut off valves to allow the tank to stay in place at all times and cut off what's not needed? Who wants to keep carrying a tank around and choose "Do we have heat in cold weather or do we cook"?
I can tell you understand why I held on to this video for a while. 😂 It took me awhile to figure out who it was for. I do see the value in it, it's just not a good fit for our family and many of the people in the playing with sticks community.
@@PlayingwithSticks I realize re-reading my comment, it sounds like an angry rant😂
But yes, I most Definitely see why you held onto this video 😂 But hey, we all still love your work and dedication to showing everything that's out there!
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Drew, at the beginning of this video you state that you have held onto this video for over a year. The person talking in the video makes a joke about some people claiming they have worked at McDonalds (a very recent AND POLITICAL influenced statement - obviously referring to the US democratic presidential candidate). I am very disappointed in myself for having followed and trusted you for years after watching this video. Additionally, for those considering this product, rivets are NOT the modern tech in aerospace, replaced by space grade adhesives and sealants (far outperform vibration and temperature fluctuations- look it up)… so disappointed in the direction you have chosen Drew. Honestly shaking my head right now.
Tracy, when people make bold statements like this, I sure hope they can back them up. That's a pretty strong statement to make based on a comment about McDonald's. I'm going to leave this comment up there so people can point out some other things they saw in this video to verify the date. If you watch our channel, you know what I'm about and you know I would have no reason to lie about the date of this video. But it does disappoint me when people think I'm trying to hoodwink them. So if you'd like to reach out to me by our email which you can find on our UA-cam channel, I will send you the exact video file which you can pull the date off of. I'm talking the one with his McDonald's comment. You can just right click the video file and it will have the date it was created. As you've been aware all these years, I have nothing to hide, I don't mislead, if something comes off as a political statement, it wasn't purposeful, I'm just making videos about things I love.
Also Tracy another easy way you can verify this is just looking up the company and seeing how long they've been selling trailers. You take that and the statements that they said in the beginning of the video about how many trailers they've sold in so and so amount of time and that math will add up as well.
Thank you for replying and for having the integrity to keep my comment up Drew, that does give me hope that all is not lost here. I did re-watch the video before I posted my comment because, well… I just didn’t want to believe what I believed I just saw. I have beard of the company before and understand they are not new. To get to the point: I do not want politics in my playing with sticks feed -ever! This is not the place! I do not understand how you can explain away the McDonalds comment and I honestly, tried hard to explain it away… I TRIED! Please just edit that out and repost. When it was recorded is not important, turning your work into a political tribe decision for viewers is. Stay out of it, keep your integrity and revenue stream potential would be my advice.
Tacey I really don't know why I am sticking my nose in here but I watched this video several times with captions on. It really didn't sound like he was referring to the vp nonsense about working at Macdonalds. I have heard well to do folks say " I worked at Macdonalds or some other fast food job when I was youg" If it was ment in a political way that would have to be the most subtle political coment known to man. Why would he make a video trying to sell his trailer and upset 50% of his potential customers. Also why would you give Drew a hard time? My guess is all will be okay for you in a few day 😉
Baret I want to have an innocent view because that would be so much less stressful - when I view with the context of a person making these statements in front of a black flag symbol printed on their product, it’s hard to ignore . But sure, count me as over-reacting … that tracks