37:00 This moment imo shows perfectly what makes Clem such a good player: He isn't on top of his army for like 2 seconds and immediatly everything crumbles. Which in turn means he's on top of his army at every other point in every other game. This playstyle is so incredibly fragile. Also, big Kudos to Maxpax, out here showing that you can in fact win with protoss by playing a "fair game"
16:09 Shows perfectly how bad tempest and disruptors really are. "if he isn't on top of his disruptor army for like 2 seconds, immediatly everything crumbles". Maxpax deflected all harrasment and did insane damage. denying stim, the reactor and the techlab. early game Hardcountering the tech choice: banshee. Terran doesnt care at all. Terran can just make 5 tanks and be safe versus anything protoss can throw at it untill tempest are out or terran is making mistakes by being out of position. reaching max supply because he isnt aggresive, no other skill required. protoss on the other side, lose 1 pylon thats attached to twilight, gateways, robo building/researching = autoloss. Cuz without tech timings and a hardcountered tech choice. protoss is severely underpowered. And literally cannot play the game. also second game maxpax builds early dts and does insane damage. "fair game" JuSt GaMbLe DT. JUST CHEESEEEE 3rd game... permanently denies gold base that terran has, because he didnt position tanks in proper position. Gets insane value and skyrockets in resources and snowballs cuz of map design. Terran doesnt even build ghost vs templar. SUCH A FAIR GAME! Christ i hate terrans inability to analyze a game from any perspective other the there own.
@@Eraz0rZ I'm in fact a protoss player and I'm very aware of the strategic part that goes on in these games. I just wanted to point out the small slipup and the big impact it had because that usually never happens.
@@Eraz0rZ play T for yourself and see what a load of bull you just written. For the record, I play BOTH P and T. Clem is just a better player. MaxPax donated like dozens of Disruptors. He should've built Immortals instead. Clem is just faster than him.
That was an awesome 200k special with Serral. He's so humble and yet it's obvious how naturally the game comes to him. Thank you for putting it together before his military service!! I hope they assigned him to games and theory 😂
There is no one else who can make begging for likes an subscribes as entertaining, if you can keep doing that I'll like the next cast. And I'll probably do it anyway, don't know what else I would do with my lunch breaks.
14:20 see, that is how protoss is supposed to be! haven't seen such heavy reliance on robo-units in a long time (except from maxpax from time to time recently ^^ )
Winter, you've got to stop playing the first couple seconds of "Lighting of the Beacons" and then cutting it off, it's a crime against humanity to not let that song play out.
This is sick how terran are op. First game - early game dominance, terran turtle, go ghost/viking and just roll. Second game - in early (28:45) basically one tank denies everything - whole push, denying of tech, scv harras. One tank. Even if scv harras work guess what - mules :D Third game still watching but whenever I see terran its like deja vu - turtle and roll. As long as you direct DPS instead of click and forget you just win.
MaxPax is just slower than Clem. You can see how he donated plenty of Disruptors to Clem, and Clem haven't done anything like that a single time. Max also missed number of Disruptor shots that should have never been a miss. MaxPax is an amazing player and never does such "mistake" in games with other players. He simply couldn't control his army as fast as Clem did.
Do Protoss just not use storm anymore because it's too easy to counter and throw away expensive units? I see all these clumps of Vikings that literally counter every protoss air unit and their most reliable ground splash unit and just think damn, theres gotta be a better way than stalkers.
protoss has no answer to Vikings and marines and medivacs with a few tanks on the edge every time i watch a game where the protoss is doing well terran just goes lol well these 4 tanks say your entire army is invalid while i build up i honestly dont know why players at that level even bother playing protoss
I think Serral's card should be 11 on all stats. This is the mythical G.O.A.T. after all. P.S.: I liked and I was already subscribed so you can cast another video even though you'll do it anyways. lol
It's 2024 and psi-storm still damages own units, and the only way for zealots to do damage is to charge and get melted by MM kitting them plus storm...
Once again, Protoss has zero effective splash damage. Being able to target down a disruptor to cancel its shot is one of the most broken things in the game. Clem didn't even need to build ghosts and strip half the entire Protoss army's hp with a single emp. He did at the end seemingly out of boredom. Balance folks, you need to fix Protoss splash damage! Otherwise Protoss has to all-in. Simple fixes: make Colossi shorter. Making anti air only units able to target them with the current air power balance is broken. And let novas detonate after a disruptor is targeted down, even if the nova cannot be controlled after the disruptor is dead. These are simple fixes that do not change costs or stats, but simply make sense.
23:34 "MaxPax is bottom right in the red. Just wanna make sure I commentate for my blind viewers out there. Shout out. (quietly) Kinda have to... Uhm. What is the answer? MaxPax did not--"
@@BuddyWudzyn No, my point was that MaxPax did everything right and it was still kind of close. Taking full map control, putting pressure at all times, containing, harassing, and then there are still moments where a big stimmed bio ball comes out with a vengeance and almost wins the game right there. Looks very non-sensical when you see it.
That's basically how you win bruh Facing against P feels the same From the very start you gotta pay close attention to the most annoying unit of all time - probes Then you gotta not let your mineral line get decimated by two adepts Then you gotta defend against freakin teleporting lasers, flying lasers, and the cloacked ninjas, You can't forget that there's gonna be dagger at your back and giants&storms at the front. Get through all that? Good luck battling the golden armada. When you put it like that, P seems quite OP too XD
Almost every ESL weekly final is MaxPax vs Clem and they are like 50/50. Its just casters normally don't cast games where Protoss wins because they like gaslighting people since it brings more views and comments.
Is “jimmy” an actual producer that you work with? Or is it supposed to be a joke? I’ve been watching you for years, and can’t figure it out- it’s def obv your tone is sarcastic when addressing him, but people are sarcastic like that with their friends all the time! @winterstarcraft - can you let me know? The fact that we’ve NEVER hear his voice is a big indicator he’s not a real person right? I’ve asked this a couple times, and can’t figure out why you won’t holler back 🤷🏽♂️
Not vs terran as a single ghost can make multiple ht useless. Sure disruptors can be useless but more often than not allow you to retreat but hy are just 150 gas wasted
Just the whole second game makes me feel very weird. Wtf is protoss? 1st game (and usually) protoss and terran fight on equal supply - protoss dies horribly. But when protoss is down half the enemy supply he fights very good. And then (SPOILER?) by the end of second game protoss just wins by just... catching some 20 supply out of position? Really? In big fights like in the first game it doesnt look even close, it's not like 20 supply would make a difference.... very confusing. Maybe it's just storms
Maxpax played almost perfect while Clem made many large mistakes and yet Maxpax almost lost multiple times. From a delayed ghost academy to delayed 2/2.
@@Wwillswords Keep telling yourself that while Protoss A moves and kills everything at top level play without even using storm. Then when they do use storm, they can beat an army that is 50% larger.
@jebediah4780 did we watch the same games? There were no A-move wins for either side. When you have the counter to everything protoss has and don't use it, that's a large error. When you see your opponent picking off your reinforcements and heading toward your tanks, you don't abandon them with your bio. You keep the bio close. How is it that Clem lost his whole army for mediocre damage, and you still claim protoss is a op A-move race that can win with half the supply?
37:00 This moment imo shows perfectly what makes Clem such a good player: He isn't on top of his army for like 2 seconds and immediatly everything crumbles. Which in turn means he's on top of his army at every other point in every other game. This playstyle is so incredibly fragile. Also, big Kudos to Maxpax, out here showing that you can in fact win with protoss by playing a "fair game"
16:09 Shows perfectly how bad tempest and disruptors really are.
"if he isn't on top of his disruptor army for like 2 seconds, immediatly everything crumbles".
Maxpax deflected all harrasment and did insane damage. denying stim, the reactor and the techlab. early game
Hardcountering the tech choice: banshee.
Terran doesnt care at all. Terran can just make 5 tanks and be safe versus anything protoss can throw at it untill tempest are out or terran is making mistakes by being out of position. reaching max supply because he isnt aggresive, no other skill required.
protoss on the other side, lose 1 pylon thats attached to twilight, gateways, robo building/researching = autoloss.
Cuz without tech timings and a hardcountered tech choice. protoss is severely underpowered. And literally cannot play the game.
also second game maxpax builds early dts and does insane damage. "fair game" JuSt GaMbLe DT. JUST CHEESEEEE
3rd game... permanently denies gold base that terran has, because he didnt position tanks in proper position. Gets insane value and skyrockets in resources and snowballs cuz of map design. Terran doesnt even build ghost vs templar. SUCH A FAIR GAME!
Christ i hate terrans inability to analyze a game from any perspective other the there own.
@@Eraz0rZ I'm in fact a protoss player and I'm very aware of the strategic part that goes on in these games. I just wanted to point out the small slipup and the big impact it had because that usually never happens.
@@Eraz0rZ play T for yourself and see what a load of bull you just written.
For the record, I play BOTH P and T.
Clem is just a better player. MaxPax donated like dozens of Disruptors. He should've built Immortals instead. Clem is just faster than him.
@@skipperg4436 yeah about that being a better player...have you watched the series till the end?
MaxPax: "Hold that position, under all circumstances"
Probe : "Sir, Yes, Sir !"
(with french accent) A few minutes later
MaxPax: -.-
The Stalkers: 👁👄👁
That was an awesome 200k special with Serral. He's so humble and yet it's obvious how naturally the game comes to him. Thank you for putting it together before his military service!! I hope they assigned him to games and theory 😂
Thanks. It’s amazing that you still do those videos. Keep on being yourself and enjoy what you do !
I see winter, I see Maxpax, I click.
Haven't seen Jimmy yet.
I blink
6:30 might be one of the funniest things ever said in a SC2 commentary
It was candy for my soul at the end to see that cluster of stalkers waiting in the main for that pickup and drop
There is no one else who can make begging for likes an subscribes as entertaining, if you can keep doing that I'll like the next cast. And I'll probably do it anyway, don't know what else I would do with my lunch breaks.
Stalkers showing that yes, they are indeed cousins to the Dragoons.
I hate cyclones so much, and seeing MaxPax slap down the first couple in game 1 was so cathartic
42:02 That level of comedic timing should be illegal
14:20 see, that is how protoss is supposed to be! haven't seen such heavy reliance on robo-units in a long time (except from maxpax from time to time recently ^^ )
Gets destroyed by mmm and vikings
Winter, you've got to stop playing the first couple seconds of "Lighting of the Beacons" and then cutting it off, it's a crime against humanity to not let that song play out.
It’s a copyright thing
Sadge. But do it for Gondor!
I didn't even notice it ended because my mind filled in the rest. You'd have to be a _true_ fan to get it.
This is sick how terran are op.
First game - early game dominance, terran turtle, go ghost/viking and just roll.
Second game - in early (28:45) basically one tank denies everything - whole push, denying of tech, scv harras. One tank. Even if scv harras work guess what - mules :D
Third game still watching but whenever I see terran its like deja vu - turtle and roll. As long as you direct DPS instead of click and forget you just win.
23:40 Blind viewers is a sad but funny oxymoron.
The fact that MaxPax couldn't break Clem in game 1 is ridiculous.
I think he could have..I think MaxPax was pulling back a lot of the times when he didn’t need to. Resulting in many of his units being free kills.
He did the same as in the previous match a few months ago. He pulls back when in fact he should go in. As in match 1.
MaxPax is just slower than Clem.
You can see how he donated plenty of Disruptors to Clem, and Clem haven't done anything like that a single time.
Max also missed number of Disruptor shots that should have never been a miss.
MaxPax is an amazing player and never does such "mistake" in games with other players. He simply couldn't control his army as fast as Clem did.
Did you say 'Probe-lem'? when that probe was blocking those stalkers at the watchtower? lol
Do you have any probelem with that?😊
Nice cast and, as always, word play
Tough push into that defense, huh. Good job to you and both sides, thanks for sharing another great match!
Stim medivac timing
Ingredients:
Stim
Medivacs
Yup, that checks out 😂
Introducing these players like Maru vs herO didn't just play the GSL finals 😭
Do Protoss just not use storm anymore because it's too easy to counter and throw away expensive units? I see all these clumps of Vikings that literally counter every protoss air unit and their most reliable ground splash unit and just think damn, theres gotta be a better way than stalkers.
At high levels the ghosts make ht expensive worse zealots. Atleast when they can get emp
32:51 🫵😐
@@henryviiifake8244 no ghosts. So no emp....
protoss has no answer to Vikings and marines and medivacs with a few tanks on the edge every time i watch a game where the protoss is doing well terran just goes lol well these 4 tanks say your entire army is invalid while i build up
i honestly dont know why players at that level even bother playing protoss
This series shows nobody knows Clem more than MaxPax does.
@7:15 "Ah, bureaucracy has never been such a probelem..." 😂
22:00 this minute or two is an absolute Terran orgasm.
14:40 TY takes insult to that.
I love when the click bait for a protoss series doesn't end with the protoss losing.😂
Well played by Maxpax, nice games.
"Just making sure I'm commentating for my blind viewers out there... Shout out.... Kinda have to" LOL Winter!!!
Game 1 started off with one of the wildest micro battles I've ever seen 😭😭😭
Just nerf bunkers so that every unit has a .5 sec cooldown of re entering
I think Serral's card should be 11 on all stats. This is the mythical G.O.A.T. after all.
P.S.: I liked and I was already subscribed so you can cast another video even though you'll do it anyways. lol
Toss so dead in the lategame ...
I see hour-long Winter Starcraft 2 vid, I like.
Congrats to SC2 and Serral. I know for a fact he will make a great addition to NATO. Happy 1 Year Finland
I was hoping you already had the ESL open cup #223, none the less, the #222 was good too
Keep it up, buddy, always entertaining 👍
It's 2024 and psi-storm still damages own units, and the only way for zealots to do damage is to charge and get melted by MM kitting them plus storm...
dont u find it weird that terran is the only race with no melee units?
Disruptors are like: "Use it for once"
Once again, Protoss has zero effective splash damage. Being able to target down a disruptor to cancel its shot is one of the most broken things in the game. Clem didn't even need to build ghosts and strip half the entire Protoss army's hp with a single emp. He did at the end seemingly out of boredom.
Balance folks, you need to fix Protoss splash damage! Otherwise Protoss has to all-in. Simple fixes: make Colossi shorter. Making anti air only units able to target them with the current air power balance is broken. And let novas detonate after a disruptor is targeted down, even if the nova cannot be controlled after the disruptor is dead. These are simple fixes that do not change costs or stats, but simply make sense.
23:34 "MaxPax is bottom right in the red. Just wanna make sure I commentate for my blind viewers out there. Shout out. (quietly) Kinda have to... Uhm. What is the answer? MaxPax did not--"
Uhmmmm the fleet beacon and fusion core get dramatic trumpets but the greater spire doesn't. Wow, just wow.
Cheese? If taking the gold base is a cheese Darks new name is velveta
Holy shit, Protoss won a series
Doesn't seem that doable when it looked like he needed to play nearly perfectly and ward off every harass and drop.
@@Leonhart_93 You would hope so, Clem is one of the best players to ever play sc2
@@BuddyWudzyn No, my point was that MaxPax did everything right and it was still kind of close. Taking full map control, putting pressure at all times, containing, harassing, and then there are still moments where a big stimmed bio ball comes out with a vengeance and almost wins the game right there.
Looks very non-sensical when you see it.
That's basically how you win bruh
Facing against P feels the same
From the very start you gotta pay close attention to the most annoying unit of all time - probes
Then you gotta not let your mineral line get decimated by two adepts
Then you gotta defend against freakin teleporting lasers, flying lasers, and the cloacked ninjas,
You can't forget that there's gonna be dagger at your back and giants&storms at the front.
Get through all that? Good luck battling the golden armada.
When you put it like that, P seems quite OP too XD
@@Leonhart_93 terran lost whole army right at the start of the game 2 and couldnt even be punished lol. terran privilege
what are the player cards you show up at the start? is it just to introduce the players or can they choose talents?
Archons are indeed dummy thicc
How does one break Clem late game, its seems impossible
Thank you and your fast brain lol
Love Maxpax he is my bro same country
I saw the uthermal card, is that a foreshadow? I see marc is playing competitions again for offsyde 😊
Nope, just an older card
Gotta say... Byun would've won game 4. Hate to see him win but he'd have gutted the main :D
Desruptors lol😂, most usles unit newer to build
lets go with the cheesenanigans
Another series where tarren wins? Lets see (but i havent seen protoss win in PvT top series since at least 2 years) xD
Less then 3 minutes into the video and what the hell Clem? 😂
That scv lmao 😂
34:17 💀
Maxpax throws units away like it's nothing. He's so clumsy. It's infuriating to watch.
22:55 Big Gabe's file is too Big
Hey so UA-cam won't let me like this (resource quota exceeded)
Get rekt OP Terran. Free map hack (scans) and minerals (mules) all game = joke race.
Let's Go!!!
Im warming to maxpax. Animal!
Easy to criticize but the last game really looked like a huge throw from Clem, he was so far ahead
Thise badges with "modifications" "Overcharge are 50% stronger" etc, is this modded maps or what is it?
Just a joke from winter
finally a protoss win
Almost every ESL weekly final is MaxPax vs Clem and they are like 50/50.
Its just casters normally don't cast games where Protoss wins because they like gaslighting people since it brings more views and comments.
The #1 ranked terran in the world. Rated by.....Dark
Terrans will get caduceus reactor but maxpax will have 5 tempests out without tectonic destabilizers... Smh
No parting coverage yet?
Is “jimmy” an actual producer that you work with? Or is it supposed to be a joke?
I’ve been watching you for years, and can’t figure it out- it’s def obv your tone is sarcastic when addressing him, but people are sarcastic like that with their friends all the time!
@winterstarcraft - can you let me know? The fact that we’ve NEVER hear his voice is a big indicator he’s not a real person right?
I’ve asked this a couple times, and can’t figure out why you won’t holler back 🤷🏽♂️
hmmm this eco cheese sounds tasty, is it expensive?
It looks like storms are better to use than disruptors.
Not vs terran as a single ghost can make multiple ht useless. Sure disruptors can be useless but more often than not allow you to retreat but hy are just 150 gas wasted
It looks to me that nowdays in these top rank games (where protoss is actually winning) storms get stuff done and disruptors don't.
@yuomovaeh3028 it is hot or miss. For example, Hero tried this and got his warp prism almost immediately killed vs clem.
I misses clem matches so untertaining
There's no way Clem is better than Maru right?
I guess it depends how you define better
Just the whole second game makes me feel very weird. Wtf is protoss? 1st game (and usually) protoss and terran fight on equal supply - protoss dies horribly. But when protoss is down half the enemy supply he fights very good. And then (SPOILER?) by the end of second game protoss just wins by just... catching some 20 supply out of position? Really? In big fights like in the first game it doesnt look even close, it's not like 20 supply would make a difference....
very confusing. Maybe it's just storms
Soup 4
pwn team
Thank You
OM nom nom
Nerf scan.
the fucking bunker play?????????? WTF
Protoss imba. Storm is just too much.
Spotted the terran
@@riccardoficarra1551 LMAO
How in the world are protoss complaining that they are too weak?
Maxpax played almost perfect while Clem made many large mistakes and yet Maxpax almost lost multiple times. From a delayed ghost academy to delayed 2/2.
@@Wwillswords Keep telling yourself that while Protoss A moves and kills everything at top level play without even using storm. Then when they do use storm, they can beat an army that is 50% larger.
@jebediah4780 did we watch the same games? There were no A-move wins for either side. When you have the counter to everything protoss has and don't use it, that's a large error. When you see your opponent picking off your reinforcements and heading toward your tanks, you don't abandon them with your bio. You keep the bio close. How is it that Clem lost his whole army for mediocre damage, and you still claim protoss is a op A-move race that can win with half the supply?
@@jebediah4780 You are truely ignorant and stupid lol. Maxpax's army in the first game is one of the micro heavy armies possible.
@@jebediah4780 ah yes, A moving HTs and oracles, my favourite way to play P!
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