The two younger speakers. - Christian Owen, a first year History undergraduate at Trinity. Originally from Glossop, went to Manchester Grammar School. So, for starters he never went to his local school in Derbyshire - Glossopdale School. Glossopdale would not get you to Cambridge. He did Latin, Maths and Further Maths at A level. - Charles Connor, former head boy of Sutton Grammar School in south London. History undergraduate at King's. Had the luxury of going to a local state grammar school, but now decries others having that same choice? The other young speaker never had that chance - his parents would have had to pay, probably.
Mary closes the debate poorly. She wants you to know she is moral. She disagrees with the claim she is immoral, the problem is no one made that argument. The speaker said ' path to hell pathed with good intentions,' that is not a statement on you intentions, that is a statement on the outcomes. It is possible for moral decisions to have bad outcomes. As someone from the US I think our schools could learn from the British, yes we have our honor students attend the same schools but with different classes but not every school can afford to do this. It does makes sense to give resources to the students who will utilize them and to not waste them on students who are not yet ready to. Having more self paced learning programs like what Khan Academy did in some Californian school may be a soulution.
Imagine we took this ideal of abolition to football. Would England's football team as of recent have been full of stars who play at the highest level if all children were allowed at elite football academies
Good points below, so I don't feel that I can add that more. Neither of Williams or Bousted mentioned how mixed-ability teaching is far from being universally loved or admired. Bousted went to the same school that Peter Kay and Paddy McGuinness went to, but when it was a catholic girls' direct-grant grammar - Mount St Joseph in Booooowoooowoolton. I wished she'd talked about garlic bread instead. There were many daft school reforms in the 1970s - home economics mostly went as it was felt 'demeaning' to females. Now look at the obesity around you, or poor diets at least. Comprehensive education was bulldozed through in the 1970s, not by a level-headed sane person, but by the wacky Wild Woman of the Woods - Shirley 'Silver Spoon' Williams, daughter of privately-educated Sir George Catlin. You know those types of people who think that they have seen an image of Jesus in a burnt piece of toast. Shirley does. No free school meals for Shirley. No apprenticeship for anyone in Shirley's gilded family. Wouldn't see anyone in Shirley's family down Aldi or Lidl. Note how Williams and Bousted don't appear to want to listen. Williams is not listening - all the inept woman is thinking is 'Who is this awful man, disagreeing so much with my thoughts? He should kiss my feet and watch how I feed the five thousand with five loaves and two fish, instead.' This isn't a soliloquy - why turn up to an event like this if you don't like listening to the opposition? It's plainly has to be bad form and shows pomposity, and perhaps revealing. To learn, you have to listen. Do you sense that Williams wants to learn? Not from where I'm looking she doesn't. Is there anything that this woman wants to learn about? Bousted has an angry face. Note how the side opposite to Bousted don't have angry faces and apparently want to listen. Bousted must have told off many children in her English classes over the years for not listening enough. You can see it written across Bousted's face - she has no intention of listening. She can't be bothered. Says it all. Letting Williams anywhere near our education system was bad news. Her defence of comprehensives was a bit lacklustre in content. Could do better. Left-wing people are good at posture politics, but also good at knackering our education system, which is what comprehensives did, if you live in a borough where the police chase joyriders most nights, or you hear the police helicopter chasing someone on the ground. If your local borough has featured on Motorway Cops, don't attend a comprehensive there if you can help it. Just realised I've commented on this before.
The two younger speakers.
- Christian Owen, a first year History undergraduate at Trinity. Originally from Glossop, went to Manchester Grammar School. So, for starters he never went to his local school in Derbyshire - Glossopdale School. Glossopdale would not get you to Cambridge. He did Latin, Maths and Further Maths at A level.
- Charles Connor, former head boy of Sutton Grammar School in south London. History undergraduate at King's. Had the luxury of going to a local state grammar school, but now decries others having that same choice? The other young speaker never had that chance - his parents would have had to pay, probably.
Mary closes the debate poorly. She wants you to know she is moral. She disagrees with the claim she is immoral, the problem is no one made that argument. The speaker said ' path to hell pathed with good intentions,' that is not a statement on you intentions, that is a statement on the outcomes. It is possible for moral decisions to have bad outcomes.
As someone from the US I think our schools could learn from the British, yes we have our honor students attend the same schools but with different classes but not every school can afford to do this.
It does makes sense to give resources to the students who will utilize them and to not waste them on students who are not yet ready to. Having more self paced learning programs like what Khan Academy did in some Californian school may be a soulution.
Lowering the Academic Bar of Excellence is Disgraceful, especially if the motive is to show improvement Statistics of Pass rates for political Gain!
Imagine we took this ideal of abolition to football. Would England's football team as of recent have been full of stars who play at the highest level if all children were allowed at elite football academies
So how did they vote in the end?
Good points below, so I don't feel that I can add that more.
Neither of Williams or Bousted mentioned how mixed-ability teaching is far from being universally loved or admired. Bousted went to the same school that Peter Kay and Paddy McGuinness went to, but when it was a catholic girls' direct-grant grammar - Mount St Joseph in Booooowoooowoolton. I wished she'd talked about garlic bread instead.
There were many daft school reforms in the 1970s - home economics mostly went as it was felt 'demeaning' to females. Now look at the obesity around you, or poor diets at least.
Comprehensive education was bulldozed through in the 1970s, not by a level-headed sane person, but by the wacky Wild Woman of the Woods - Shirley 'Silver Spoon' Williams, daughter of privately-educated Sir George Catlin. You know those types of people who think that they have seen an image of Jesus in a burnt piece of toast. Shirley does.
No free school meals for Shirley. No apprenticeship for anyone in Shirley's gilded family. Wouldn't see anyone in Shirley's family down Aldi or Lidl.
Note how Williams and Bousted don't appear to want to listen. Williams is not listening - all the inept woman is thinking is 'Who is this awful man, disagreeing so much with my thoughts? He should kiss my feet and watch how I feed the five thousand with five loaves and two fish, instead.' This isn't a soliloquy - why turn up to an event like this if you don't like listening to the opposition? It's plainly has to be bad form and shows pomposity, and perhaps revealing. To learn, you have to listen. Do you sense that Williams wants to learn? Not from where I'm looking she doesn't. Is there anything that this woman wants to learn about?
Bousted has an angry face. Note how the side opposite to Bousted don't have angry faces and apparently want to listen. Bousted must have told off many children in her English classes over the years for not listening enough. You can see it written across Bousted's face - she has no intention of listening. She can't be bothered. Says it all.
Letting Williams anywhere near our education system was bad news. Her defence of comprehensives was a bit lacklustre in content. Could do better. Left-wing people are good at posture politics, but also good at knackering our education system, which is what comprehensives did, if you live in a borough where the police chase joyriders most nights, or you hear the police helicopter chasing someone on the ground. If your local borough has featured on Motorway Cops, don't attend a comprehensive there if you can help it.
Just realised I've commented on this before.