Learn to macro like a pro! : Beginner Protoss Build Order Guide (2024)
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2021
- Hey guys! Back again with a beginner build order for protoss in sc2 in 2023. This is a basic build order that can be done in all matchups. I recommend it for plat and below, but you could use it up to diamond as well. It focuses you on macro mechanics and winning with a simple macro style!
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So. Perhaps I just got VERY lucky. Or people on the ladder are bad. But i haven’t played in years, looked up this guide to see the current meta. Did this in every game. Placed into platinum 1, and just got diamond…From basic macro. It’s actually really hard to overstate how much fundamental principles are overlooked.
14 Pylon
16 Gateway
17 Gas
20 Nexus & Core
21 Gas
22 Pylon
Adapt
Stalker
~26 Robo & Shield Battery
Stalker
Sentry
Twilight Council, Forge
~4min: double gases, workers saturated
Observer
Immortal
~4:20-4:30 Charge & +1
7 Gates
~4:35-4:55 +7 Gateways
~5:00 Templar Archive
Warp in units, build 2 Pylon each round
~6:15: attack
Awesome video! :)
excuse me. whats with the number? literal newbie here.
@@edgarlim21 Hey, no worries! The numbers are either the supply you should have when building the buildings or upgrades that come after it.
@@edgarlim21 Number of workers (Probes, in this case), would be my guess.
Not new to the game, but first time looking at strategy videos to get some tips on improving!
@@edgarlim21 Exact same problem here. Less than two minutes in, this vid's already coughed up so much jargon I feel like I walked into the wrong classroom.
@@AshlarPhoenix Not worker count. It's the overall supply you see in the top right.
After doing this build order for so long this has really help me I went from silver 2 all the way to diamond working on getting to masters
That is actually amazing to hear. Keep up the good work and keep improving.
facci sapere
Yeah, I used this (poorly, but close) and I was able to hang with people way beyond my skill level. Thanks OP!
what rank are you now
This is EXACTLY what I was looking for. A simple, all-rounder protoss build order. Nothing crazy.
Glad I could help
facci sapere
Came back to sc2 a couple of weeks ago and I was extremely rusty. I'm now following this build order and my win rate stonks. Thanks a lot!
facci sapere
Back to play this game after 7 Years, very good build order guide. Thank you :)
facci sapere
I learned this build last night and went 5-2 this morning thanks for the help!
facci sapere
This was nice as for someone like myself who is starting to game back up and get into SC again. Love and miss this game but so many good people. Glad to be back and playing again. Thanks for the tips!
facci sapere
Excellent TY ive been using this and dominating with just clean build and hard push completely committed thanks bro
love it when he says "i dont want you distracted from the build by scouting" :) makes Goz smile
Just started playing this build and I already beat a Very Hard Terran AI with this macro style build which I struggled to beat macro style for months. Thank you!
No worries!
facci sapere
Your channel is great ! Thank you !
Even 2 years later this build is still so strong at its roots I’ve gotten to masters very easily (with a few slight changes) after not playing for years
Went from losing like 90% of games in silver to winning most in low masters
One thing I think you should DEFINITELY include in this guide is how to properly wall off. It’s such an understatement how valuable a PROPER wall that doesn’t box out your immortals is lol. My life changed when I nailed it down, and I beat a lot of protoss as Zerg that don’t wall off properly 😂
I'll be sure to make one, but in the meantime here is a simple link to a walloff guide for this season: imgur.com/a/bNHIqZu
facci sapere
Love it! Great advice here!
Thanks glad you enjoyed it
My main Build order!!! Thank you
Best protoss guide I've seen so far! Would love to see some more builds to master after that! :)
facci sapere
I haven't played starcraft in years and when I came back couple of days ago, I lost like 10 games in a row xD I've tried this build of yours and now I'm at 7 wins in a row, this actually is really simple and covers all the mehanics you need to know and its a good strat aswell! Thank you for this awesome vid, keep it up! :D
Keep up the good work
facci sapere
This is awesome. I've watched all of Vibe's b2gm so this is a really nice contrast. I'm really enjoying rolling out around 6 minutes and sometimes just finishing the game instead of always waiting until ~10 minutes to max and move out. Thanks!
Yeah I like the fact that you hit a timing with this build. If you are waiting for max you can get a little complacent.
@@ProbeSC2 exactly. And your 4 minute saturation target has got me to speed up my initial probe production too.
@@havokgames8297 It's a good number to know and allows for super easy replay analysis
@@ProbeSC2 that reminds me. It'd be great to get a replay download for your execution of this build to watch between games
Yeah Ive also been watching Vibes B2GM but recently tried a 8 gate 2 base all in with stalker/zealot/archon and 1 forge, which has a higher win rate so far. Now I see I was doing something similar to this video, which is encouraging. Will definitely try this build out
This was very easy and simple to follow compared to other build orders and I'm really appreciative for it! Keep up the incredible content🙂
facci sapere
This was incredibly helpful, thanks!
facci sapere
Great video bro thanks 👍🏾
Just a small tip (because I kept getting this wrong), you'll see around 06:00 that he moves his High Templar out of his wall before merging them into Archons. If you do it inside your wall then they will get stuck! If they get stuck, you can use your Warp Prism to pick and drop them but its annoying and uses up some APM.
APM?
@@InservioLetum Actions Per Minute. How many actions you can do as a player.
I believe they fixed that now
facci sapere
I've watched this video 5 times and I have no idea what units you're building
What units are you using in your army
I only understand you're building immortals
THANKS!!! for the build order GL HF to all!!
facci sapere
First time playing in years and I was struggling in my matches. Followed this build order and won, no problem. Excellent
Welcome back
@@ProbeSC2 thanks friend. Perfect simple build order to get me back in the saddle. Great video, much appreciated
facci sapere
i played over a decade of zerg. multiple master. i only came back to try toss. practised a month of macro. multitasking trainer. minute micro. custom maps. ladder. everything what comes after the 2nd base. it gets complicated. or maybe after the third base. even after this month. toss macro is still very hard to master for me personally.
i gave this build a shot. practised it twice vs A.I. and then on ladder 3 games (3,5k mmr). 1 vs each race. everytime easy win so far. i am surprised how easy it was. i will definitely play this build more.
edit: 6 wins in a row. this build feels good.
"Don't worry about what's happening on the outside of the map, just worry about what YOU'RE doing"....words that I've never heard someone so advanced say before. But you are advanced much further than me so...I'll take it.
Thanks to your build I finally made it to platinum. I'm so happy, thank you !
Glad it worked, keep up the improvement :)
@@ProbeSC2I’m probably so dumb but what do the numbers next to the builds mean
(Example: 17 pylon)
Edit: just read some comments, so it’s the amount of probes you should have when you build it?
I've been playing for about 1 year and managed to get Zerg to Plat 3 following ViBE's B2GM but I've always preferred Protoss and wanted to switch. This tutorial has really helped me out! I like the way it flows. I've lost a few times but definitely winning more than I lose around 2700 MMR in EU. Hoping to try and get to Diamond. Thanks a lot for the great content!
Yeah you won't win them all, but it''ll get you going down the right path.
facci sapere
Slick stuff, thx m8 ;)
Great build! It helped me significantly improve and i went from Bronze to Gold in just one day. My macro has improved alot and i feel like i can start trying other builds for fun.
Amazing to hear. Yeah you can take the mechanics and lessons from this build order and apply it to any style you want to play.
Keep it up 👍
facci sapere
man im so happy i got to this video!!!
I used this build yesterday and won a D2 zerg player! I still forgot to build a sentry, and my prism got killed during the push. But I still managed to win in the end. Feeling good! Thanks man for the ez build order!
facci sapere
Ive been a casual off and on SC player since the early days. This is easily the best guide ive ever found. Just awesome.
Really appreciate that. Means a lot.
facci sapere
Thank you for the tips now i know how to beat that A.I
Good luck :)
@@ProbeSC2 Thank you
The most underrated channel on UA-cam this guy is hecking awesome
Much appreciated mate :D
You have done more for StarCraft then most people know
facci sapere
Good stuff, mate
After about 300 Co-Op games I decided to Jump back into versus and this video was very helpful, Thank you probe man.
Glad you got use out of it
facci sapere
@@sebastianmigliarelli3687 I assume this translates to "Let us know"?
I'm platinum 2 on NA as it stands
Gold 2 with Terran.
Thank you good sir, this will help tremendously in my 1v1 games
facci sapere
Glad I found that guide, just return after 8 years pause, need to learn to play it again.
Good luck with the return. Overall just remember to have fun!
Hahaha! Ty for the video but damn I am lol'ing pretty good. At 3:21 you say "mmkay" and the nostalgia kicked in. I'm thinking to myself. Okay Mr.Mackey! lol
this was exactly what I was looking for. Already 3-0 from this bo. I am a returning player switching from terran to protoss. This video is perfect!
Glad it has helped :)
Awesome vid! Hope you could do other build order vids for higher leagues too!
I'll make sure to include a wide variety of builds in future guides :)
facci sapere
haven't played in a good 10 or so years.
Things have changed a lot, and have to re-learn key bindings etc.
Thanks, will give this a shot later when I am off work.
Good luck
facci sapere
thx this is super simple and has allowed me to do alot of stragies and after 3 games im almost in gold
Let's gooooo. Congrats mate keep it up.
facci sapere
I'm doing this and it has been working, I'm currently Plat 2 and win consistently. I've gotten better at scouting so I can modify the build depending on what I see
Congrats :)
If you get stuck be sure to reach out on discord.
@@ProbeSC2 I did it! I got to Diamond! Thank you so much, this is the best I've ever gotten in SC2
Nice one
Thank you for this! Just got a GG at the 10 min mark using this against Zerg. He attacked my wall twice too, which that robo, stalkers and sentry shield wall with two or 3 zealots did great! Roaches and lings never stood a chance against plus 1 att/shield
Bumped me from Silver tier 1, r29 to gold tier 3 rank 33.
Now to see how badly I really suck with it xD at gold.
You're not kidding though, macro is key.
facci sapere
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🎮 Introduction to Beginner Protoss Build
- Introduction to a beginner-friendly StarCraft 2 Protoss build order.
- Emphasis on simplicity and suitability for new players.
- Mention of the build's versatility against all races.
01:11 🏭 Build Order Basics
- Detailed explanation of the build order, including pylon, gateway, and gas timings.
- Reasons for building the first pylon in the natural base.
- Discussion on scouting and its importance (or lack thereof) in this build.
02:19 ⚙️ Building Composition and Early Defense
- Explanation of unit production: adept, robo, shield battery, stalker, and sentry.
- The concept of early game defense and safety in this build.
- Focus on building immortals and observers from the robo facility.
03:00 ⚔️ Transition and Mid-Game Strategy
- The goal of reaching two-base saturation quickly.
- The plan to stop probe production after saturation and transition to gateway units.
- Intention to go for a mass charge lot, mass archon, and immortal composition.
03:57 📜 Timing and Upgrades
- Timing for reaching 16 workers at the natural base by the 4-minute mark.
- The addition of Twilight Council, Forge, and Templar Archives.
- The importance of +1 attack and charge upgrade.
05:09 🔨 Macro Tips and Warp-ins
- The strategy for constant probe production and warp-in cycles.
- Suggestion to warp in two pylons after each warp-in cycle.
- The concept of macro-focused play and minimal micro.
06:17 🏰 Late-Game Transition
- Advice on when to add more gateways and Templar Archives.
- The shift to producing units continuously without distractions.
- Reinforcing the simplicity of the build and its benefits.
07:42 🏆 Demonstrating the Build
- A demonstration of the build against a Terran AI opponent.
- Confirmation that the build can be effective in climbing the ranks.
- A brief mention of potential adjustments when facing Protoss opponents.
09:34 🙌 Conclusion and Encouragement
- Recap of the build's focus on macro mechanics.
- Encouragement for viewers to try the build and subscribe for more content.
- Anecdotal evidence of success with the build in higher leagues.
Made with HARPA AI
Skynet
just watch and try it super good build i have played two games already even poorly executing it i still win easily thanks for the tip
facci sapere
literally won 19 games in a row with this, and have gone from low gold to high plat.
the only time i lost was an early game terran who was harassing me pretty much the entire game and really preventing me from getting momentum.
but everyone else... none of them can deal with the timing push @ 7 minutes or so.
knocking on their door with 2-3 immortals, 2-3 archons, 2-3 stalkers, and 10+ zealots, along with warp ins, pretty much seals the deal every time in lower ranks. No one can deal with it. even turtled up terrans. and the unit ocmposition is rounded enough to counter anything they can muster in that time.
air units? Archons + stalkers.
mass bio? zealots + archons.
turtle with tanks and bunkers? Immortals
I'm also finding it SUPER useful to hit their mineral line with a 7 zealot warp in while i simultaneously hit their front. I'm finding that to be VERY effective.
ty i just used it a little, won both games, the attack is super strong! (in diamond)
facci sapere
Cheers probe
Anytime!
Holy shit, just did this and won the game and got first place in a 3v3 🤯
The video is pure gold, I just started playing pvp and i got absolutely recked despite having 130 APM and abundant knowledge of the game (co-op and campaign) because my macro sucks. Now im practically bullying enemies since they cant flex (mass marine, mass BC, mass thor etc)
Glad it helped. It's amazing what a bit of direction can do (and eliminates a lot of the stuff they can do)
Thank you for a great video. I always see high MMR players expand around 4:00-4:30. Is this a two base timing attack and that’s why it’s delayed? When do you suggest taking the third with this build? Thanks again
Yep this is a style where you hit a 2 base timing. You can take your third base as you are moving out. Which is generally a good thing to do anyway.
The origins of this build come from PvP a few years back, where every game was 44 probe chargelot archon timing, with a third base that had no probes.
facci sapere
Awesome! I’ve been wanting to try a two base CIA style build and this build is perfect.
Is it any safer to go Cyber before Nexus? Thinking specifically for PvT to defend against the initial reaper, but was wondering if it would be any better/worse in the other two matchups.
It doesn't really impact the build, so yeah you can go core first. Definitely has merits in PvT and PvP.
facci sapere
Coach: You will never get supply blocked.
Me: Watch this...
Such an awesome guide! I was just wondering, I am playing at diamond 2,1 and it is working well, the one adjustment I always do is putting down a 3rd nexus before the push at around 7min.
Sometimes what happens is that the push does not outright kill them yet we trade a lot and they end up kinda hurt eco wise but the game cannot be ended. In those cases with the third base, what should I usually transition to? Is it totally dependant on match up and what units they have?
Just one last question, is there any place I can find replays of masters+ playing wih this build? Just for teaching purposes to see reactions to the different cheeses.
Thank you for the video in any case, it is great!
Adding the 3rd nexus is a good adjustment, and your reasoning is solid. Yeah it depends on the matchup. You can continue going chargelot immortal archon and adding storm against zerg/terran, and disruptors vs Protoss.
I don't have any high level replays atm, but I would that once you start getting a bit higher you can do a Matchup specific build. That might mean doing 2 gate expand in PvP into this, which might help versus cheeses.
And obviously you would add the scout.
facci sapere
this is a great guide. I wonder if you can make another one focusing more about air units - oriented build order?
I can. Before then, just take the advice of constant probe production, constant unit production, then you can do almost anything.
The tricky bit might just be figuring out how many production buildings you need
@@ProbeSC2 thank u. Looking toward seeing that video :)
@@ProbeSC2 any progress in making a new video on stargate-oriented build order? :)
@ProbeSC2 still waiting for your new video similar to this one, but focusing more on air units :D
facci sapere
Great video... thanks for the build order! Why not go with Stalkers instead of Archons?
Because stalkers are very bad units (until you get to gm and have blink, and then in certain situations they become the most op unit)
is this build on spawning tool. I tried it serveal times last night trying to just remember the build and won very easily, but if i had it on spawning tool it would be great thanks.
Unfortunately it isn't. Don't have any experience with using spawning tool and really busy at the moment.
Sorry
Want to reiterate that I think this build is great! Went from gold 2 to diamond 2 following this build order (2500->3500 MMR) after practicing the build vs AI frequently and laddering.
I see a lot of people comment that the build is hard for a total beginner and cheese due to no scouts.
Might be a bit tough for a total beginner, but following the general build order without supply numbers already gives you a good guideline on how to play. Like just build robo and battery after your core finishes, and make sure to attack when your prism finishes and keep warping in units/pylons when you can.
For cheese, you can add in scout with the probe that builds your gateway, but otherwise your first observer/hallucinated phoenix will give you time to react to aggressive builds like 3 rax.
The build isn't perfect; I have trouble vs things like early toss aggression or mine drop. But it will definitely get you to diamond if you're anywhere near the benchmark of 88 supply by 6:00, since you will usually have way more army than your opponent. When fighting, keeping your army together helps me a lot. And some basic micro can help out, like loading 4 zealots into your prism and dropping them over Terran walls on top of tanks.
Just to comment on what you struggle with (mine drop and toss aggression).
PvP is expected. I've tried my best to make a 1 size fits all build, and unfortunately PvP tends to throw the spanner into that :). The fact you are experiencing that is probably a good sign that the rest is going well for you.
For mine drops, unfortunately I can't solve that with any build. That just comes down to individual practice. Even I just randomly lose to mine drops now in my old age.
Thanks for the comment, you summed it up well.
@@ProbeSC2 @ProbeSC2 Thanks for the reply! I'm guessing this build could work at pretty high level on maps with a ramp for PvP as well? since Maxpax plays so much 1 gate expand. Been playing some more 2 gate expand and trying your blink into charge 3 base all in, albeit I'm nervous opening 2 adepts into 4 sentries since my control isn't so good loll. I do like the timing of that build 😊
@@Fimbu1vetr yeah generally at high level, if you wanted to do this build, you would just do it off 2 gate expand. The timings are slightly delayed, but the feel for it is the same.
In fact this build (off 2 gate) was the standard in the matchup for many years in LOTV. Only really changed when they nerfed the upgrade timings and the chargelot. From then on, shield batteries with mass stalkers was just better at the highest level.
@@ProbeSC2 Ahh cool to learn that 2 base chargelot all ins were the meta previously!
@@Fimbu1vetr Yeah it was unstoppable. You would have to stop at 45 probes and do this chargelot archon style yourself and hopefully match upgrades. If you didn't, you would just lose :D
You would take a 'fake' third as part of it, but only saturate it once both players couldn't beat each other.
I love this build order, I'm using it to learn Toss after playing Zerg for years. I have a few questions though:
What about rushes overall? Like a speedling flood (as in, enough to chew down your wall)?
I just got DT dropped at about 5 min. Solution?
Fast phoenix/voidray?
Thanks for any other thoughts on this. It's been really fun but I think I'm dying a lot to faster builds/rushes.
* note, I've been building the cyber before nexus to get the wall up faster.
You should be fine for speedling floods, just need to learn how to rewall behind your buildings, and possibly warp in sentries. Dealing with any harass that hits your main shouldn't be impossible. You need to get confident at pulling workers from the mineral line and warping in 2 stalkers.
facci sapere
could you please make the 3-base version of this build order?
hey i started playing this game yesterday. what key do you use to change the view between your two nexuses? my gameplay is slow as i'm new to this game and i wanna learn to control the fluidity better. thanks
Camera location hotkeys.
It can be a bit advanced, although not impossible to learn, and once you get used to them you can't not use them they are that good!
I am very new to starcraft and have watched lots of guide videos this one seems to be my favorite but I struggle with getting down when to drop pylons and when to start my first attack
When you are new to anything you are going to struggle a lot. Come back to this build and compare what you are doing to the video, and it'll take a lot of iterations, and practice and work, but you'll get there.
facci sapere
yo, how much would it cost to train me I'm just now getting started i really want to get good at the game. always been intrigued by it, but i've literally just played cs my whole life. So i've rewatched atleast 20 times and i'm still struggling with it lol.
k I practiced and now it works
Hello. Thank you, great guide. Any chance is it on spawning tool?
I'll see what I can do about that
@@ProbeSC2 Fantastic! Thanks :)
Was intrigued by this build and thought I'd try it. I'm D3 Protoss. Played 10 and won 7 and lost 3. Don't feel like I did the build as tightly as I could but actually still won sometimes even after taking bad probe damage. The build is good for helping you focus on Macro but it is easily abused and can be difficult to hold strong cheeses. For more standard games though the size and composition of the army you create in about 6 mins is very strong and can often just roll over the opponent even if they are also going for a strong 2 base push.
Exactly! Yeah obviously when I'm trying to create a catch all build it is going to let some things slip by. Diamond is definitely the league where you need to start scouting and changing your early game based on what you see, so I'm not surprised by your results.
I definitely still believe in focusing on macro first, and then learning the defense for things you actually lose to, rather than trying to cover everything.
@@ProbeSC2 Thanks. I need to get comfortable that winning more games than you lose is actually progress. I'm pretty hardstuck in D3 because I think I compromise my macro to attack hard early or try to cover off all possible early attacks. I know macro should be absolutely top priority but it just sucks so bad when a cheeser crushes you while you are diligently building probes!! I did beat someone 600 MMR higher than me with your build though so it shows how powerful it can be.
@@rhinteractive keep at it and let me know how it goes 👍
@@ProbeSC2 Played it a few more times and now 15 wins to 10 losses. This one worked well - drop.sc/replay/19633651
facci sapere
could use more detail on the buttons hotclicks since its in the title. also whats the plus 1 after charge ?
+1 ground attack? Sorry might be misinterpreting you comment.
And not sure what your first sentence means. Sorry
Thanks for the BO. Still training and waiting to be diamond (2.6k so far).
Just a question: I am always behind against a Terran that sends a reaper. My adepts always arrives a couple of seconds late. How to deal with it?
Yeah that tends to happen with nexus first. You can get your core first, then nexus (20 core 20 nexus) so your first adept comes out faster.
But if you don't change the build, are you able to get your nexus down by 1:23? (a few seconds late is acceptable) If not, remember to split workers at the start of the game and rally workers like Probe (saturate close patches first, 2 workers per mineral patch). In particular, after you build the first assimilator, the 2nd worker should be rallied to your natural to build your nexus. You can also sometimes make a reaper cliff wall to prevent reapers from jumping into your main.
Is there a brief pause in the probe production at 20 to allow for the nexus and core to go down?
Yes
It’s a really good build and really helped me but it doesn’t really work when the enemy uses two oracles in the early game. Got anything for that?
Yeah it probably struggles vs that, but you have 2 stalkers, and can warp in another, so just try to macro out of it and have continuous probe production.
Hey , im pretty new to pvp. Im asking myself, how is this safe against medivac invade ? Couldnt a terraner just drop marines in the main base ?
Well you have to think what time will that hit. If they want 2 bases, stim, and medivacs, it hits past 5 minutes.
Past 4 minutes you could do an 8 marine drop without stim and still have a base, but that isn't scary.
Past 4 minutes they could have stim but no base, so you just pull probes away, fight near shield batteries and warp in. The immortal does a lot of work.
Keep in mind these timings are only hit at the highest levels, so for the vast majority of players you should be fine. (and even at high levels a marine drop isn't the best thing they can do)
Tried 4 times so far and been cheesed every time
Can I ask what cheeses?
But yes, look, if the 12 pools, proxy 3 rax, proxy gates are happening every game, then of course you can throw a scout in.
If it is later cheeses, you should compare your timings with mine, of every building.
In case your a dumbo like me. When he says 14 Pylon, 16 Gateway, 17 Gas, etc... That means at that amount of Probes you'd want to build the following.
This is only true before you build army units. As probes = 1 supply, zealots/stalkers/sentries = 2 supply, etc
nice vid i think im new 2 starcraft so i dont really know xD
Generally I have got good feedback on this video, so I hope so :D
Hey cool build, im 4k mmr with this build right now, kinda struggling with people going for an aggressive push while i only have a stalker, adept and sentry and with being on 1 gate, its hard to defend.
advice ?
In what Matchup? And what kind of pushes. Mostly though your defence will revolve around an immortal and shield battery.
@@ProbeSC2 so PvT some terrans just push out with like 2 tanks and tons of marine marauder with stim, seems hard to hold. Also defending widow mines or banshe harass seems kinda awkward with 1 stalker and 1 sentry
PvP im not sure how exactly to react if enemy is not expanding , should i take my 2nd base and probe or just go full defense mode? Cuz the push is coming
PvZ seems to be the easiest matchup for me so far, although sometimes Zerg just goes full eco mode since i have no pressure on him and has too many roaches when my attack hits.
keep in mind im not a real 4k mmr player im just rushing haha
@@MaximusPhallus right ok. So for PvT, if they have all that stuff on 2 bases you should have the tools to be able to defend.
If you are scouting, and do know that your opponent isn't taking a second base, you can always go for a nexus if the rax is at home. Then add robo as usual, but cut probes on natural at 8. Then add 2 gateways chrono wg once, and warp in stalker immortal.
For PvP if your opponent hasn't expanded you just chrono immortals and build shield batteries. You can also decide to not probe and add a gateway for warp ins.
@@ProbeSC2 ok thanks bro will try
I'm doing this In diamond and its pretty good but its definitely cursed without scouting
Yeah at some point if you are hitting the benchmarks, and the majority of your losses occur from like 12 pool, feel free to add the basic scout in.
Is this build still viable? I’m pretty new to sc2 so seeing a two year old build makes me wonder. If so how do you proceed later on in the game with this build do you opt into skytoss or just keep on pumping chargelots/archons/immortals?
Yes still viable, nothing has changed to the build order, and balance of units wise? Very little has changed.
You proceed later on in the game just by winning with your push. If you don't win, you've done something wrong.
If you "want to" play later, you add splash (colossus in PvT, storm in PvZ and Disruptors in PvP), and attack again once maxed. Once again chargelot archon immortal.
But I stress this is a build that if you do properly and spend all your money, you will just win with the push until diamond.
Just got back after ten years. I totally need this. I mean, I'll never use it. Umm....
the thing that pisses me off about the current sc2 community is the obvious highly skilled players playing in noob territory for easy wins. It was not like this years ago when i played. Its gotten pretty toxic so thank you for this guide.
yeah I've seen several players who'd just give up INSTANTLY to get a lose and drop some mmr
reminds me of Winterstarcraft
Do not build stalkers, void rays, scout or anything else. Makro to chargelots, immortals and Archons and go kill him with a-move :D
thanks for the build order
It is the way
@@ProbeSC2 This is the way
Hey I know this is my 3rd comment, but how do you recommend fighting mass marine all in at 3.3 min mark?
Keep getting spammed by this build
Well if it's proxy 4 rax you might just die, but just build the units, and don't forget the shield battery (and you can add more). Pull probes from your natural to help the fight also.
I love the build, I'm pretty new and it brought me from loosing all ranked games and now I'm getting close to gold. The one constant I keep running into is running out of resources in my main two bases, should I grab another base at some point or am I doing something wrong
As you push out you can build a third nexus if you like.
Got that one down and I'm winning almost every time but I keep losing in the first few minutes because the enemy ling/marine rushes me and I haven't even started producing units at that point
@@oliverryan2168 If it keeps happening and you're winning all the other games, start to integrate a basic scout at the start of the game.
i love how this is a 2 years old video and you still replay to comments, great tutorial.
Thanks :D
also why you stopped uploading SC2 content ?
Just was feeling burnt out with sc2, and started playing stormgate. (Busy with full time work too). I might come back sometime, we'll see.
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Hi mate.
I am about to start playing sc2 for the first time in many years. As i always kinda sucked barley getting to silver for more than a second so i thought i would try this build.
Just wondering if it still works?
Yes.
@@ProbeSC2 tried it this morning. Man i am so slow got smashed first game but i won second so thx for the build i very much appreciated it
Good luck. Remember you are still probably going to lose games. But hopefully this will give some you guidance on your journey.
Hi @probe_sc2 I have used this build to go from 2800mmr which I had been stuck in for years to go to 3200mmr in about a month. But have reached a point where against terran i need a build that gives me more units early. Would you or anyone else be able to recommend what build to use to take the next step? or how to adapt this one to that requirement? thanks for the great content!
What are you losing to where you need more units early?
If you share a replay in my discord you'll get the perfect advice.
What’s your thoughts on forge? When is it good to upgrade units?
Generally you'll get a forge after you've taken your third base in PvZ and PvT, or as it's building, and earlier in PvP (usually with twilight).
@@ProbeSC2 cool thanks
against terran built ur wall at jumper spot to block reapers.. it allways matters where u built against other races
Against Terran the wall location matters the least. Yes it would be nice to have a reaper wall, but it isn't the end of the world, otherwise maps where you can't block the jump spot would be unplayable.
Plus this helps getting a hellion block set up immediately.
So, for the purposes of this build - to get beginners macroing! - it doesn't matter
What do you do if you push with these units and they have some air units? Seems they are pretty ground oriented right?
Archons always do decently, and if they have air units you'll crush the ground so you can always warp in a round of stalkers.
So, do the numbers mean the amount of each structure I want out?
14 pylon + 22.. I'm gonna want 36 pylons out during the match, and 20 Nexus, 20 cores, etc...? Or am I misunderstanding?
That is the supply to build them at. Look top right.
Thank you for this video! This actually got me playing again and took me from Plat 3 to Diamond 3 🎉 PvP seems to be the most difficult matchup for this build now that I'm in diamond (33% win-rate). I just can't hold those 1-base all-ins 🏳 Not that I'm doing it perfectly either :p PvZ is my strongest matchup with this build and still getting ~65% win-rate in diamond. My favorite thing about this is I got to practice this build so much and get really comfortable with it as I used in every matchup for so long, which freed up my mind to focus on Protoss macro skills.
Now I'm working on the standard PvP build you've outlined here ua-cam.com/video/7xpi5ngSIqY/v-deo.html to address that weak-point of my game. All that to say, thank you for making all this content that allows me to develop my game a step at a time rather than that overwhelming feeling of needing to hit the ground running with 3 build orders. I feel way more comfortable with my game! 🍻
Glad to help! Yeah PvP can be a bit tricky, but the great thing is you can just do the 2 gate expand variant and still transition into the exact same style.
Keeping it simple was the plan!
@@ProbeSC2 How would you transition to this build off a 2 gate expand? Would this work? Stalker/sentry->stalker/stalker and nexus at 33
@@Fimbu1vetr Yeah I recommend 5 or 6 unit expand like that, then first tech building after nexus being robo. The order of buildings after that is exactly the same.
It'll be safer and more PvP specific, but that is a good thing, as you get more advanced.
@@ProbeSC2 Thank you for your advice Probe!
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What mean the left number on the corner, i mean "14" Pylon, "16" Gateway, etc... this number what means in your guide?
It refers to what supply to build that building on, which you can see in the top right.
Usually you assume constant probe production.
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Thks for that video. I been playins 2vs 2 Im terran and my friend zerg. We often lose bcoz protoss ships and often wonder how come they build so many units so fast? I do 4 factory 4 spaceports and by the time that we get attacked. Whats wrong ? I also just started trying protoss maybe easier to play with. I noticed they build lot faster and have boost for building. But if we follow your build how can we fight against ships ?
Usually if you find yourself wondering how your opponent is building stuff so fast, you should really look at your own replay and see why you are building stuff so slow.
Look for continous worker production first, and then spending all of that extra money.
If your opponents are going only air against this build, then do 1 warp in of stalkers (8 stalkers), and then push with stalker zealot archon.
The zealots should kill everything on the ground and be able to kill all their workers anyway.
I think this is great. From a old bw player getting into sc2. What I relized tho is when you get to the higher leagues (diamond) you can't get full saturated by 4 mins cause you have to use chrono on warp and 1st units or reapers and early game harassment will set you way back every time. Your thoughts?
You shouldn't have to chrono warp gate (occasionally against 1 base sure). If you go nexus before core even when doing 2 chronos on units, and then later on tech you should still be able to reach 16. If you open core before nexus and do 1 chrono on units, then you should still get 16. If you chrono twice on units it might be a bit hard, but you should have 14/16 for sure.