"Politics of Memory": Masha Gessen's Hannah Arendt Prize Postponed for Comparing Gaza, Warsaw Ghetto
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We speak with the acclaimed Russian American writer Masha Gessen, whose latest article for The New Yorker looks at the politics of Holocaust commemoration in Europe. Gessen was scheduled to receive the prestigious Hannah Arendt Prize in Germany on December 15, but the ceremony was postponed after some award sponsors withdrew support over Gessen's comparison in the article of Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto. A smaller award ceremony is set for Saturday. Gessen says Germany's culture of learning about and atoning for the sins of the Nazi regime has morphed into steadfast support for the state of Israel despite its actions, while banning most forms of pro-Palestinian solidarity as part of a flawed effort to fight antisemitism. The cornerstone of this form of "memory politics" is that "you can't compare the Holocaust to anything," says Gessen. "My argument is that in order to learn from history, we have to compare."
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I studied about the Holocaust my whole life. I spent hours and hours listening to the testimonies of the Shoah Foundation and read books both fact and fictional set during the Holocaust. It was difficult at times to even get thru some of the materials available about that insane time in world history. Then I met some Palestians who live in Gaza during this time in history. For the past few years I’ve been very much involved in studying atrocities being committed in Palestine. 🇵🇸 in every case I’ve felt the same horror as I did reading and learning about the Holocaust. I challenged my Palestinian friends in “terrorisms” and I came to the conclusion that in this current day, it is the Israelis committing the atrocities against the Palestinians eerily comparable to what happened to the victims of the Holocaust. Too similar to just shrug off. Call it whatever you want, it’s a genocide.
Yup often abused people become abusers some dont but some do. Seems like smerica has taken these abused people and told them they can be like hitler now and be the big abusive guy and that appeals to them. I mean I way hitler was also a response to the victim hood germany felt after the first World War. Thats why victim mentality is no good. It creates unending circles of violence and why religions generally teach that you leave God to punish your abusers and you live a good life yourself instead of pass it on.
Just as the IDF invaded the Jenin Freedom Theatre and destroyed all the equipment and their computers, then dobbed disgusting slurs on the walls in Hebrew the Nazis dug up all the gravestones from a Jewish cemetery and made a pathway out of them leading up to the headquarters of the infamous Nazi Amon Goth as portrayed in the excellent movie Schindler's List. One group is acting as bad as the other.
Two European groups espoused to be the "Super Race" or the "Chosen People" the same two groups herded their weaker victims in to large Ghettos, and the same two groups reacted savagely against them when they had the temerity to rise up and fight back.
Warsaw and Gaza are the clues.
Well better also start studying the conflict in the region so you can understand why Israel has dehumanised the Arabs that want to wipe them off the Earth.
After your study sessions you will no longer speak of this fictional "Palestinians".
This! Thank you for sharing.
Something that infuriates me is that "as a godless heathen" im somehow worse than netanbombyu who threatened to nuke two million people. Just because I know how to explain that religions and their deities are false.
My grandmother was a Holocaust survivor from Poland, separated from her family and forced into the Ghetto, she spoke a lot about her experience. Seeing Israel commit these crimes against Palestinians has been completely heartbreaking and infuriating. We are watching a genocide being carried out while national leaders are not only allowing it to happen, they're funding it and lying to defend it.
Well said, my friend . God bless you
I agree with you Lauren. I am another east European Jewish woman who feels exactly like you.
Watching Jewish and Israeli voices for justice and peace being systematically silenced for decades has also been heartbreaking. It tears at your soul.
Take care, warmest, warmest wishes to you.
I am Buddhist but I don't believe there is such things as one right religion or culture; I fell great spirit or what some call god, created everyone different as a spiritual test to see if we can find a way to get a long despite are difference I love jewish & palistine as my brothers & sisters & I pray for cease fire on both sides also for more women support shelters to build all around the world there's not enough of them I mean there's documentaries proving there's a lot of bad things going on in the Middle East towards women and children but there's also a lot of sexual crimes and oppression towards women in America to it's just called something different they call it sex trafficking in America in the Middle East they call it pleasure marriages in America it's called domestic violent deaths in the Middle East it's called honor killings so not much difference women who join the armed forces in America get raped because men don't want them there most of them don't and Israel Jewish soldiers said that male soldiers insulted them by saying that they can be soldiers as long as they keep their hair smelling nice sexist religions are causing so Much Death and oppression towards women and girls and sexual crimes there's a lot of sexualized media out there that needs to be getting rid of but I don't believe in genocide towards Palestine it's not the way to resolve things I wouldn't want people to genocide America even though the American government is doing horrible things to other countries and to the moment so I don't wish this genocide upon Palestine people either and not all Arabians are the same I've met all different sorts of Muslims who act different most of them act peaceful and have not tried to harm me even though I'm a lesbian some of them did threaten to kill me but most of them have not there was good Muslims that protected me from other bad Muslims does the Quran actually is against honor killings and they're against War over religion most Muslims don't want to do world of religions they just want to live peacefully where can go to school in raise their families there's a small amount of terrorists that are Taliban and Isis but the majority of Muslims are not terrorists I feel like America and Israel and Britain just their government trying to make out like there's more terrorists and there really is to have an excuse to oppressed people and I know that Joe Biden left those weapons in Afghanistan on purpose he wants women and children to be oppressed so it's easier for America to take over and drill for oil and gas in the Middle East that is why Israel is oppressing palestine's and what are the reasons but I know there's good Jewish people out there and I'm not going to do any hate crimes towards Jewish more Palestine even though there are there are good and bad Jewish Palestinians Americans Etc when I judge someone's character I go by individual basis not by generalized rumors and racism Britain did the same thing in World War II they tried to pretend to be Saudi Arabia's friends and then gave British weapons that Saudi Arabia is Prince and King found in their enemies hands and they said they would go to war with Britain unless they signed a treaty which they did but Britain and America and Israel are still oppressing Middle Easterns they're just trying to look like they're not but quite a few Americans are not stupid enough of us know the truth I mean I'm dying slowly because my own country doesn't even take care of me my medical sucks I'm getting gaslighted by doctors and not getting the treatment that I need to get medically better so I'm very I don't celebrate the 4th of July ever I did as a kid cuz I didn't know the corruption in my country but now I know and I don't celebrate anymore it's I'm too ashamed of my own country and people think that I'm a Nazi because my last name is German but they don't think before they say my first name is Arabian if I was a Nazi or my mom was a Nazi she wouldn't have named me in Arabian first name and my great-grandparents were actually Marked for Death by Hitler because they are half Italian half German in Germany they're called black Germans after the Italians pulled out of the war they were Marked for Death and they escaped and they went to America my great-grandfather became a nurse for the American soldiers and they changed their last name it used to be f r u c h t l which my grandmother says means little fruit they were fruit farmers and they changed it to f r i c h t l so we wouldn't be discriminated against so one person asked me if I was related to Hitler and I'm like oh man I have to change my last name actually have Native American in me as well my mother is native and Scottish I am not a Nazi but people assume I am because of my last name is German so I don't judge Arabian people I don't think they're all the same I mean I've there's a lot of Arabian Muslim cab drivers and disability bus drivers and none of them try to rape me when we're alone I remember in Israel Jewish news person said that all Arabian people act like animals and I'm like I don't think so most of them seem pretty peaceful I mean there's good and bad people in every culture but then I hear there's all Jewish people are bad that all of them hate people that aren't Jewish and I'm sure some of them are like that but but I don't believe all Jewish people are like that have met some that love other people even though they're not Jewish hang out with non-jews and some of them even Mary Arabians even though it's frowned upon on both sides and not all Arabian women are terrorists there's many that wear the veil and don't wear the veil and they protest against Taliban and they get killed cuz then these women want to go to school and want to work and aren't allowed to so if they're willing to give their life for Freedom away from Taliban they're obviously not terrorists so I just want to say thank you for speaking the truth and I am so sorry about what happened at the Holocaust I've seen movies it is very heinous when I watch the movie Schindler's List the little Jewish girl in red I so wanted to jump in the movie and rescue her from her soon f a t e I try to explain to people there were German generals that tried to assassinate Hitler cuz they felt the Holocaust was going too far they were unsuccessful they just injured him but later they were all executed by other German soldiers there were German people who were spies for the American side and wanted to stop Hitler and they died in the process I remember when I lived in the shelter there were a handful of Muslims that wanted to kill me cuz I'm a lesbian but there was another Muslim guy he told them that they shouldn't be smoking drugs and drinking alcohol in the Quran is against honor killings and he protected me there was a Muslim woman that stood up for me in the women's bathroom there was a handful of women discriminating against me because I'm a lesbian and the Muslim woman said that I am not sexually harassing anybody I am acting peaceful in the bathroom I should be allowed to shower and you have to shower to stay alive in the shelter because there's mites and they eat at your skin I had a friend that almost died from meningitis of the brain cuz he didn't have any money and he was eating off people's plates and he was too depressed to go to the free food meal place and so she literally saved my life I've seen one guy with like hundreds of mites crawling off of him cuz he didn't shower and he look like his skin was rotting he was horrendous most of the staff bully clients because they want to make it more chaotic to get more funding and then they pocket and steal some of the money and they got in trouble for it and the drug dealers try to bully people so they get depressed to get them on drugs but I didn't give in there was a Jewish volunteer man and he was so kind of everybody loved him he treat us better than the staff did and he wasn't even getting paid he came up to me and he put his hand on my shoulder and says I'm worried about you your health and I said I know I'm dying from a bone marrow condition and I am getting gaslighted by doctors even though I'm diagnosed and not getting the medical treatment I'm supposed to get and he just sat and listened with a good open heart he cared about me even though I have German blood and he's very forgiving even though Germans have done horrible things to his people and that really transformed my soul so I share my story and I try to open people's hearts to I wish you peace and enlightenment
My family has lost members in the Holocaust too although not Jewish. They belong to the forgotten ones ...What I absolutely fail to understand are the reactions of our Western governments other than the US - they always support the wrong side anyway. But what happened to our European governments? When has their moral compass been so absolutely switched off that they condone and even fund this extermination campaign?! I'm left speechless and can't understand it ... although I don't have any illusions about politics and/or politicians. Still - it hurts and is shamful.
As a German I'm deeply upset about the cancellation of Masha Gessen.
It just reaffirms their importance.
DW also made a weird video about Geert Wilders , the leader of the biggest party in the Netherlands, after our votes last month. They fully did a propaganda on that one.
A voice over misleadingly translated with a cut fragment.
I was also ashamed. As i am now. Dutch and germans are alike. Lets fight for a better world.
I kept posting and pointing at things on their comment section to atleast make people aware. Also about this topic.
@@j.e3651 Look at the video they uploaded today about disinformation. Says it all.
So much for the "most unbiased" German news outlet :(
banning of* There! FTFY
You were surprised by the Āryan State broadcaster only NOW,"@@j.e3651"?.!
I'm so grateful for Masha Gessen. She's one of the increasingly shrinking group of truly principled, truly humanitarian Jews who understand keenly the irony and the horror of Israel's crimes against the Palestinians. So many of the intellectual.champions of global Jewry are right on issue and yet the mainstream is so violently opposed to their empathy, their words, their wisdom.
I think the larger irony in this, is how he/she advocates for the same people who’s values are to kill people like him/her. In Tel Aviv though, he/she would be welcomed.
Actually the numbers of Jewish people critical of Israel are increasingly growing, not shrinking. They just don't have the visibility-
I agree. God bless and protect her, Ellie Baron, the Holocaust survivor who supports Rashida Tlaib, Miko Peled, Prof. Ilan Pappe, and everyone who stands against oppression.
She is 100% correct. Cowards for not accepting the truth
Def smarter than the average person but still slightly off with her commentary . The notion that to her Jewish lobbying is a “trope” when billions are being sent to Israel due to Aipac basically dictating foreign policy through bribes is tone-deaf. We can’t keep saying it’s a trope
Better than getting a sponsored price is to be remembered as an example of humanity and braveness.
Hannah Arendt was a racist herself. dodged a bullet
100%. 👏👏👏👏
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..."humanity" & bravery.....
I googled her name. She complains about being lgbt in russia. Meanwhile defends culture that would throw her from roof. AHAHAHA
The truth is the comparison is self-evident. How can anyone fail to see the similarities between what is going on in Gaza now to what went on in the latter days of the Warsaw Ghetto.
How is this trivialising the holocaust
WHAT IS HAPPENING IN GAZA is EVIL
The same as the HOLOCAUST
It's down right evil to remind us of a genocide 80 years ago while doing the exact same thing. If genocide of one particular group is the only one that matters then the rest of us really don't matter.
Before October 7th, Gaza looked nothing like Warsaw ghetto.
They see the similarities. They don’t care.
@@daves465 oh it did. Nobody reported on it that’s all.
Now just imagine those brave souls who rebelled in the Warsaw ghetto uprising being accused by the Nazis , as terrorist Nazi sub human animals , like Israel is describing all Gazan Palestinians . OMG !! .
Don't have to imagine that did happen.
Two European groups espoused to be the "Super Race" or the "Chosen People" the same two groups herded their weaker victims in to large Ghettos, and the same two groups reacted savagely against them when they had the temerity to rise up and fight back.
Warsaw and Gaza are the clues.
Germans branded Polish Resistance a "Polnishe Banditten" ( a Polish common bandits) for Jewish population Geobels propaganda use derogatory terms like " vermins " or
" lowest of subhuman "
Imagine the children shot by Hamas “soldiers” being called Nazis.
@@tomrecane6366ваши фейки сами же евреи опровергли давно !
А палестинских детей убивают с 1947 года !
Masha Gessen and Maria Ressa are modern _Arendts_ in my view.
Inspirational courage and integrity to be emulated by any and all humanitarians.
Exactly. Hannah Arendt couldn't win her own award at this point.
prize to keep mouth shut what has changed in germany
lol
@kitten-zv3dm5om2 - IDF horrors are fine with you as you portray all Palestinians as Hamas.
Thanks for letting me know to block you.
_Citing witness accounts shared by the Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor and journalists, OHCHR said that while raiding a Gaza City building where multiple related families were sheltering on Tuesday night, "the IDF allegedly separated the men from the women and children, and then shot and killed at least 11 of the men, mostly aged in their late 20s and early 30s, in front of their family members."_
_"The IDF then allegedly ordered the women and children into a room, and either shot at them or threw a grenade into the room, reportedly seriously injuring some of them, including an infant and a child," added the office, which has confirmed the killings at Al Awda building-also known as the Annan building-but not the other details._
UN Office Details Alleged IDF 'Summary Killing' of Gaza Men in Front of Families: OHCHR noted that reporting on the killings "raises alarm about the possible commission of a war crime." by Jessica Corbett on Dec 20, 2023 in Common Dreams
Thank you Masha Gessen and Democracy Now for this informative and in insightful interview.❤
Masha is right, Gaza is the same as the Warsaw Ghetto, what else can it be compared to
From Germany: I just wrote to the German Heinrich Böll Stiftung in order to express my discontentment with their withdrawal from the Hannah Arendt Prize. I'm a voter for Green Party in Germany. And Heinrich Böll ist one of my beloved German writers. Now, I declare my solidarity with Masha Gessen. I already thought of the term "ghetto" for Gaza, before I heard about Masha Gessen's comparison.
"Ghetto"....so did I, to be then confirmed by an Israeli activist.... The situation in Germany and Austria is hardly bearable with the governmental propaganda and media onslaught. Stopped voting Green 10 years ago. Total hypocrites.
Danke für den Einsatz ❤
Thank you so much for making your voice and your opinion heard.Kudos!
The law she is referring here to and not knowing about is a german law claiming that it’s not allowed to deny holocaust or relevate it, so that’s why the HBS withdrew. Ansgar i know you are having good intentions only but I already wrote something about it in another comment without even having the law in mind. I will copy for you, maybe you will understand.
As I can see the similarities you are seeing the comparison to what nazis did is often used inflationary these days because many are familiar with it and referring to when wanting to express how cruel, inhumane, oppressing actions are to others (ethnic groups). But being used too often in a situation not quite fitting often due to a lack of not knowing a quite more fitting term or historical context, we relevate it and doing injustice to the victims of it and destabilize our opionion instead of making a point. The terms racist and antisemitic are another example for this. There is no israelian agenda to teach their kids in school how to recognize an Arab using degrading cartoons while insisting they are subhumans, neither are invading other countries with the aim to get rid of all Arabs in the world. They don’t take away all their belongings and the very last of it, shave their heads and tattoo a number on them, they don’t let them work until their bodies can’t take it anymore and are of no use anymore - as one would think but not the nazis beeing so systematic that besides taking their gold teeth finding use in their ashes as fertilizer…
The colonialisation of the USA (and other countries) which included/s the massmurdering, expulsion and dehumanization of natives forcing them to live in restricted smaller areas, withhelding equal rights and self-determination might be a better historical and well known reference
I have read several of Masha’s books including Perfect Rigor and The Future Is History. She is a formidable intellectual and an impeccable and courageous moral critic of our times. This attempt to smear, denigrate and silence Masha Gessen is ominous and disgraceful .
We have to be carefull Genocide can occur at any point in history now or in the future by any nation on the earth by any people or race let us remember. I am ashambed of being human and wish I had never been born if rhis our furure?
@@alexanderrobertson8969indeed the evil can be done by anyone anytime anywhere but so can the good. We must not give up hope. We must strive to make the future better.
I can remember two genocides, in Yugoslavia, (Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia) and Rwanda. This is Genocide now in Gaza.
@@BrendaHeeligan I was still at school when the genocide in Yugoslavia happened and coincidentally around the same time we learned about the holocaust. Our teacher was very passionate about it. He did a great job and he constantly said: it must never happen again. And I sat there and thought: but it is happening right now. It shocked me a lot that even somebody so passionate against genocide would not recognize it when it is right in front of him. I did not dare to speak up then. I was just a kid how could I speak up against my teacher? I m very clad people are speaking up now. Because we must speak up!
I feel those in charge of Israel have learned from the Holocaust, South Africa's Apartheid and the United States taking land from Natives how to treat the Other. But we're not allowed to talk about it? As he says it invites the comparison to the Warsaw Ghetto and its liquidation.
As a kid, I learned the phrase "Never forget, never again" for the Holocaust and genocide. As an adult I learned it was only for Jews, not Cambodians, not Bosnian Muslims, not Rwandan Tutsis, not Darfuri in Sudan, not East Timor, not the Rohingya in Myanmar and so on. So the idea that the world or international community will do something is laughable.
Well said! Thank you.
It is up to all of us,all over the world,to make sure that "never again" means everyone,not up to limited organized power monger cabals who would cynically appropriate that term for their own self serving agenda.
We are many,they are few.
Thank you Masha for your work and speaking out!
Two European groups espoused to be the "Super Race" or the "Chosen People" the same two groups herded their weaker victims in to large Ghettos, and the same two groups reacted savagely against them when they had the temerity to rise up and fight back.
Warsaw and Gaza are the clues.
Jewish are Asian, not European. Even most of the migrants that returned to Israel came from Muslim countries, not Europe.
They learned good from Austrian painter
I am glad that someone else is also making this comparison. There are other similarities in vocabulary: the first had "lebensraum" and "Third Reich", the second has "the promised land" and "The Third Temple". Then one had is targeted enemy to eliminate, and the other refers back to its myths to find an enemy to target--Amalek. The PM there has referred to that ancient myth to apply it to the current conflict so his intentions are clear.
One organization vows to eliminate a nation and "make every day October 7th", and impoverished it's own people by spending the majority of GDP on weapons meant to attack its neighbors.
Another constructs defensive weapons, values life and peace, and attacks only when invaded.
Pretty clear who the Nazis are...
Espoused??? Do you mean supposed?
Thanks for this interview. If I may add, I also looked at the Warsaw ghetto to get an idea whether Israel was following the Nazi extermination process. What I found that the phases are stretched out in terms of time. The first phase was isolation and containment/starving, the second phase awaited an organised uprising and collective punishment is what is happening now, The final phase was the permanent solution which was extermination and a lot of the words came out of the mouths of the Israeli regime including bury alive in mass graves. The last pictures of naked captives clearly state the final phase which includes mass extermination as we know in the Warsaw ghetto included the extermination in the camps Auschwitz and Treblinka. In Israel's case they openly considered using nuclear bombs. So in light of all this as the Palestinians are forced further south and compacted into the border shouldn't the world be worried that there is a final extermination plan brewing with disastrous consequences? Shouldn't there be UN military on the ground or an immediate inspection of weapons of mass destruction? This could potentially turn into a world war of epic destruction.
is t*is mass untreated *enerational trauma or possibly reincarnated persecuted souls? misplaced ire and resentment? RACISM for sure! wtf? WATEVER it is we MUST be MORE ur* ent in our actions to IMMEDIATELEY STOP massacre and not JUST debate and wrin* our *ands!
I totally agree. Im thinking that's the ultimate goal, don't you?
You forgot - or maybe you're not aware? of what's going on since early Jan 2023 in the West Bank, where there is no Hamas! The violent and hateful settlers have a daily go at the Palestinian population and have so far managed to "empty" 27 Palestinian villages of its inhabitants. Thanks to Itamar Ben Gvir the settlers are now even better armed than before he became Miniser of National Security (I think that's the correct name). The problem is that the entire world is focusing on Gaza only while the ethnic cleansing, killing and displacement of entire villages takes place in the West Bank. Though ... I know for a fact that at least the US government is fully aware of it!
As Polish my heart ♥ is bleeding 😢😢
Keep posting i'll include in my next post. The more we post the clearer the story. We supplement the journalist and we create the bigger story@@ESO529
Hannah Arendt would have been proud of Masha and her courage to think ❤.
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What a well informed and intelligent person......rational and truthful.These are the kind of people who will bring communities together based on the principles of humanity......these principle are for all humans.
Cela va au delà de la tristesse et des pleurs… comment en 2023 des pays « civilisés » se conduisent comme des animaux et détournent le regard pour ne pas voir les dommages irréparables qu’ils font, qu’ils acceptent, qu’ils soutiennent?!!
Je ne sais pas d'où vous écrivez, mais moi je ressens de la honte et de la colère envers notre classe politique et culturelle française. On n'est du mauvais côté de l'histoire et on laisse faire un nettoyage ethnique en direct. C'est honteux.
Absoluement d'accord.
Masha Gessen possesses a towering intellect. She is speaking directly to us all the truth. Humane, Thoughtful, Precise. She is contributing Humanity to this fraught conversation. She is an Extraordinary Human Being. So worthy of the Hanna Arendt award!❤
Thanks Amy and democracy for keep reminding and remembering Professor Alareer.... He was not a number, you played your role
Thank you Amy for this excellent conservation with the Masha, this brave writer. Thank you 💕 for your introducing human beings rights heroes.
Can you imagine how the world would be ugly and cruel without the voices of brave people like you and them?
Thank you Masha. Your conscious conscience led you to be in the side of humanity against the personal gain.
If you lost an award, be sure that you won the Humanity Award.
One account, far from unusual, is especially harrowing: A woman who survived the Nova music festival in Re'im witnessed a young woman encircled by Hamas, stripped naked, violated, and manhandled by multiple Hamas terrorists as they gang raped her, repositioning her by the waist and hips, moving from one rapist to the other.
Shuddering at the memory, covering her face, with difficulty, the eyewitness continued: One terrorist pulled the woman's long hair, forcibly arching her neck backwards, fully exposing her naked torso, only to sever both her breasts from her chest with his commando knife. Her entire torso fell backwards, slackened in agony. She may have fainted, though she lived through the mutilation. The disembodied breasts fell to the ground, where terrorists casually played with them.
Sergeant Major Natah Katz from the IDF Rabbinical Unit at the Shura base near Ramle described to me cadavers he received with breasts and genitals hacked off, one with a knife impaled directly into the vagina. The mutilation of sexual organs and breasts, "seemed to be an obsession," he recalled. Dr. Chen Kugel, head of Israel's National Forensic Center has confirmed to me the same.
Indeed, Hamas arrived with orders to mass rape: Phrasebooks belonging to Hamas found in the Re'im area listed phonetic Hebrew commands in Arabic "Take your clothes off!"; " Spread your legs!'; "Get down!" Terabytes of their own video data confirm Hamas raped, amputated breasts, mutilated women's genitals, and committed systematic sexual crimes on both the living and the dead. Necrophilia has been explicitly reported.
Dear Masha Gessen, thank you so much for your work from Salzburg, Austria.. It gives me some much needed hope in humanity.
Es ist sehr schwierig geworden, Österreicherin zu sein. Von "Nie mehr wieder" zu "Jetzt wieder" und es zu verleugnen. Kritik kommt nicht durch, wird totgeschwiegen. Ich schreibe direkte Emails an die handelnden Personen. ORF Berichterstattung eine Schande. Dabei gab es einmal einen Bruno Kreisky.
One side of my family are Austrian Jews and I was very pained to see that Austria voted no to a ceasefire recently.
I have no idea how many centuries my ancestors lived in Austria before deciding to flee to America,and how they might have inter bred with the locals,but I have your mountain air and your snowy weather in my blood.
Every time I see images of snow and of mountains, I feel so refreshed and enlivened,it's as if my soul is calling me back to my origins.
Many times I have wanted to make plans to return to Austria,but then the country does dumb shit like this and I think,maybe I shouldn't....
✌️this is really insightful. But at this rate the Gaza ghetto is now a death camp since half of the people there are starving
Also dying of dehydration and treatable illness. Water and medicine aren't being allowed in, and there's no sanitation.
Yes it is a death camp
GAA IS A DEATH CAMP
Also children are dying of their wounds and disease.
"Since the weekend, an essay by Gessen, published in The New Yorker on December 9th, has lead to heated debates in many places. Against this background, the Senate of the City of Bremen has decided to cancel the event". Heinrich Boll wrote about the hypocrisy and casual denialism of postwar German society and his observations were anything but polite. How ironic to see this award event cancelled because of "heated debate".
Heinrich Böll is spinning in his grave.
Total respect for Masha. Stay strong, stay true.
“The habit of aggregating the news is so ingrained.”
So true. Big part of a big problem.
Shouting from the sideline will not stop the bully.
Never again is happening now.
“Never Again” is a universal slogan, not a tribal one. But a tribe has seized it as their own and makes justifications for casting it aside when it allegedly benefits the tribe.
NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" Voltaire.
I've been independently comparing Gaza and the Warsaw ghetto. History is rhyming there.
same here...
A few years ago, former President Carter was criticized for calling Israel an apartheid state.
TRT and ME eye Al J and Finklestein all compared them.....
We are constantly reminded of one genocide while being punished for exposing a modern day genocide. History repeats itself when exposure is outlawed.
One account, far from unusual, is especially harrowing: A woman who survived the Nova music festival in Re'im witnessed a young woman encircled by Hamas, stripped naked, violated, and manhandled by multiple Hamas terrorists as they gang raped her, repositioning her by the waist and hips, moving from one rapist to the other.
Shuddering at the memory, covering her face, with difficulty, the eyewitness continued: One terrorist pulled the woman's long hair, forcibly arching her neck backwards, fully exposing her naked torso, only to sever both her breasts from her chest with his commando knife. Her entire torso fell backwards, slackened in agony. She may have fainted, though she lived through the mutilation. The disembodied breasts fell to the ground, where terrorists casually played with them.
Sergeant Major Natah Katz from the IDF Rabbinical Unit at the Shura base near Ramle described to me cadavers he received with breasts and genitals hacked off, one with a knife impaled directly into the vagina. The mutilation of sexual organs and breasts, "seemed to be an obsession," he recalled. Dr. Chen Kugel, head of Israel's National Forensic Center has confirmed to me the same.
Indeed, Hamas arrived with orders to mass rape: Phrasebooks belonging to Hamas found in the Re'im area listed phonetic Hebrew commands in Arabic "Take your clothes off!"; " Spread your legs!'; "Get down!" Terabytes of their own video data confirm Hamas raped, amputated breasts, mutilated women's genitals, and committed systematic sexual crimes on both the living and the dead. Necrophilia has been explicitly reported.
I read their piece in the new yorker a few days ago. It was a powerful piece and very illustrative, and nuanced.
Thank you Masha 🫂🌹🫂
Great segment, Amy. Share it far and wide, Everyone.
I stopped watching the news; not because I don’t care, but because as a Canadian citizen I feel so discouraged and powerless. I appreciate your honesty and the courage of great people who dare to speak up. To be targeted by Russia must be terrifying. So, what can iIdo, I can be inspired to donate and support Democracy Now. Thank you Masha Gessen and Democracy Now …I am awake again.
I compared the two at dinner the other day, and my dad got up and walked out of the restaurant. It’s really hard to make the point without triggering folks, even though it’s accurate.
Yeah... my brother gets angry af whenever I say a single word trying to give the most rudimentary explanation of the Palestinian perspective, and their history
it is so inaccurate and i don't blame ur dad. gazans could b living in paradise w all the donor $ they've received. instead they chose to b besieged by their obsession to eradicate israel.
Many got up and walked out when people spoke of what was happening the jews in Germany too. Even jews in Germany didn't believe it. Or want to. Strange world.
@alangould7154 no they couldn't be loving in paradise. They dont get fuck all compared to what isreal gets ...and isreal stops them going into the sea on one side or into the west Bank on the other they dont have a river in gaza no fresh water. Its a shit country because its got no connection to the river in west Bank. You cant live well if you don't have fresh water and are dependant upon water coming through isreal who border the whole area apart from one pass to Egypt. You could equally say the jews could have had paradise in aushwitz. How did you get so ignorant?
@@alangould7154 no offence Alan, but you don’t seem to know a lot about the region or the history. I don’t think UA-cam comments are a good place to debate about it. Palestinian leaders have made mistakes, but there is only one party responsible for the humanitarian disaster and military occupation. It’s Israel - in our names, and using antisemitism as a justification- Israel has subjugated a population and given them NO reason to believe that peace will get them anywhere close to enfranchisement or sovereignty.
I've been drawing the same comparison now for a long time. The Warsaw uprising is historically applauded, and for good reason. So exactly WHY is it when the Palestinians rise up against their occupiers/oppressors they're called terrorists? It's literally the same exact phenomenon.
Do you think, Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was aplauded in Axis states when it happened?
That's why. These contries are the modern Axis.
@@nobody4248 Our modern day understanding of the atrocities committed during the Holocaust SHOULD mean people have learned something? ESPECIALLY the Israelis????????
The Palestinians are fighting back with minimal firepower compared to the behemoth IDF's arsenal. Palestinians are doing what ANY of us would do in similar situation.
It boggles my mind that people expect the Palestinians to just roll over and take it or that they should follow some bullshit trope about 'turn the other cheek '
One account, far from unusual, is especially harrowing: A woman who survived the Nova music festival in Re'im witnessed a young woman encircled by Hamas, stripped naked, violated, and manhandled by multiple Hamas terrorists as they gang raped her, repositioning her by the waist and hips, moving from one rapist to the other.
Shuddering at the memory, covering her face, with difficulty, the eyewitness continued: One terrorist pulled the woman's long hair, forcibly arching her neck backwards, fully exposing her naked torso, only to sever both her breasts from her chest with his commando knife. Her entire torso fell backwards, slackened in agony. She may have fainted, though she lived through the mutilation. The disembodied breasts fell to the ground, where terrorists casually played with them.
Sergeant Major Natah Katz from the IDF Rabbinical Unit at the Shura base near Ramle described to me cadavers he received with breasts and genitals hacked off, one with a knife impaled directly into the vagina. The mutilation of sexual organs and breasts, "seemed to be an obsession," he recalled. Dr. Chen Kugel, head of Israel's National Forensic Center has confirmed to me the same.
Indeed, Hamas arrived with orders to mass rape: Phrasebooks belonging to Hamas found in the Re'im area listed phonetic Hebrew commands in Arabic "Take your clothes off!"; " Spread your legs!'; "Get down!" Terabytes of their own video data confirm Hamas raped, amputated breasts, mutilated women's genitals, and committed systematic sexual crimes on both the living and the dead. Necrophilia has been explicitly reported.
I really hope people show up in the masses to show support for this person. ❤
I greatly appreciate Ms. Gessen for her courageous stance on this question. There is no doubt that Hannah Arendt would be proud of her.
Much respect to Masha Gessen for such a distinguished career and for a record of refusing to bend the knee to the powerful who use their power in the service of evil.
I certainly believe Masha Gessen is deserving of the Hannah Arendt prize. Having read their lengthy article in the New Yorker, they make clear that calling Gaza a ghetto is justified and that the reaction by some German politicians and some institutions to renege on the plans for the award is deplorable. Gessen deserves out admiration for their courage in the face of threats against their life by Putin and his agents.
Putin and his agents???
🤦♀🤦♀😂😂🤣🤣
Now I want to read Masha Gessen AND Hannah Arendt. Appreciated this so much, I rewatched, shared and saved.
Obviously she hit a nerve.
May Masha continue to hit a nerve, everywhere.
@jonlittle5032 How can a singleton be a "they"?
Let me know if you even have any clue what I. Am referring to.
@nonpareilstoryteller5920 People like Masha are a vital necessity in any society that wants to progress rather than stagnate: the nerve hitters fuel the engine of forward movement.
@@jonlittle5032 Well,no,that isn't at all what I meant by "singleton".
How much do you know about DID and how much those who insist on referring to themselves as "they" are crapping on a severely traumatized community who also struggle to get recognition for their condition/reality?
@jonlittle5032 I have never seen this subject broached anywhere.
How dare you suggest that I'm stirring when you don't even know me.
I have a valid point that is talked about nowhere.
People freely bandying about proclaiming themselves as a "they" without even paying passing lip service to those who have had to become a "they" simply to survive traumas they never brought upon themselves.
Be effing honest: It is simply never mentioned.
Everyone who is enjoined to call some folks "they" are not ever reminded to honor those with DID,only to cater to Trans people.
It is appropriation of experience.
As a German, thank you for the frank words, Masha Gessen. Much needed in our current times sadly.
Germany's is just a joke regarding this issue. I live here, I was born and raised here in Germany and I already knew how mainstream media and ALL politicians would react when the first bombs were dropped on Gaza. They don't show how Israeli politicians talk about Palestinians and muslims in general, they don't report things like how members of the Knesset wrote essays with titles like "when is a genocide acceptable." etc. But they are policing the language of every critique of Israel (especially if they are muslim) and sometimes even arrest demonstrators who shout "free, free Palestine!" It's no surprise to me that German organisations would refuse to give her a prize, ironically named after someone who also went against established mainstream view. Especially if you belong to an ethnic or religious minority in this country.
Anti-semitism coming from a German. How surprising!
I don't belong to any ethnic or religious minority and cannot speak out or criticize either the Israeli or local government nor a Von der Leyen. Because it gets deleted, got even blocked... so it seems only Nazis are out there.....Criticism is suppressed .The extent is outrageous. I am aware that this must be extremely painful for Muslims. I have taken to address politicians, parties and editors directly by email.
@@classics39 This is a good idea , thank you for doing so❤
I will try it too, write to the Abgeordneten meines Wahlkreises.
The problem is germany didn't recognise palastine-they are not frontline supporter of a 2 State Solution. History should have teach us better about apartheit and which attrocities followed. It silenced critics to stand against siege and starvation as weapon.
@@ksBobUnvorstellbar its more than that, its a mix of Germany's exagerated and one sided sense of guilt. They think if they do anything they can to cover for Israel, NO MATTER what they do and say, it MIGHT somehow make up for its past crimes. Even if Israel is commiting crimes itself. It's also the matter of Germany's treatment of its own minorities and how they always portray them. Thats why German media and a chunk of Germany's political class can't stand it if they get critisized by ,what they regard, people they don't recognise as their equals. Why else would they focus on "foreign Anti-semites" for weeks and months instead of showing whats really going on in Israel?
Thank you Masha for saying what many have felt and observed.
I've always had massive respect for Masha Gessen and having read their latest article, I now respect them even more. Thank you for your courage and moral clarity, Masha.
Amy Goodman you are the best reporter, journalist in all the media. Keep it up. Brava to you . Admiring your journalistic integrity and rationality over the years.
I’ve only ever made the comparison of Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto to my therapist, since I have not felt up to the verbal flagellation and complete shutting down of any form of productive conversation/debate that I would inevitably encounter if I were to bring this idea up to my supposed loved ones. People who are supposedly pro-life (in ALL its forms), virulently merciful to all, and are the ones who instilled me with my all my morals and ethos. But, baffling and ever so sadly, with the ramping up of the disinformation/propaganda wars that exponentially accelerated since 2016……I’ve seen the most incredible change in the very moral fiber of too many that I love and respected. And it currently appears that it has truly affected the WHOLE of the American political class. We can’t recognize the humanity of others, and refuse to accept that history IS repeating itself!!!
Bravo
There is a big difference between Warsaw and Gaza, the Jews in Warsaw had no choice but the Gazans chose to be in their situation but always had an open border to Egypt.
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Ghaza's border with Egypt is far from open. And the Ghazans didn't "choose" to be in an open air prison. I hope u don't come up with any rediculous Hamas thing. Hamas since its foundation had its main stronghold in Ghaza but the Israelis only began their complete blockade after 2007. Why? Because there were no Israelis left there as they withdraw from there to enable the blockade in the first place. Now the Israelis are trying to portrait it as an initial step from them towards two state solution but It's not because the government that preparated it was Ariel Sharon government and was openly against two state solution and the withdrawal was completely unilateral. Not to mention that the blockade affects normal people far more than Hamas and Hamas ability . Finally a document leaked by wikileaks showed that an Israeli official said that they wanted their economy to be at a glimpse of collapse. Because of all the previous reasons all human rights organizations as Amnesty International , HRW , UN and the Red Cross publicly said that it was not legitimate and a violation of Geneva convention and international law in general. Lastly, even if u don't believe all the above reason. October 7th attack simply showed that the blockade was an absolute failure so all the atrocities it caused were for nothing. I hope u stop be an Islamophobe and think of other people as equal human beings that deserve to live and thrive. Thank u
Inshallah Israel will finish Hamas and give the Gazans a chance for a good live.
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@@Rajul_Jamilre 'always open' --> 'The Egypt-Gaza barrier is a steel border barrier constructed by Egypt along its 14 kilometres (7.5 miles) border with the Gaza Strip. The Rafah border crossing is the only border crossing between the Gaza Strip and Egypt.' Source: wiki ('Egypt Gaza barrier')
Unthinkable!! Talk about cancel culture , group think, censorship, bullying, blackmail, blacklisting, on and on..
"If I must die" poem read by Brian Cox brought tears to my eyes. Situation in Gaza absolutely horrifying. Israeli government committing war crimes in the name of self-defense but the world citizens are not stupid.
It is interesting that countries where education supposedly tends to human realization and self determination as well as Independence actually works so much in suppression and oppression. How can you change your history when you repeat it? It is even more shocking that a party such as the Green Party which is supposedly based on an ecological movement supporting human and natural rights can actually act based in oppression and suppression.
From the Heinrich Boell Foundation's mission statement ('Who we are' - easy to google): 'Fostering democracy and upholding human rights, taking action to prevent the destruction of the global ecosystem, advancing equality between women and men, securing peace through conflict prevention in crisis zones, and defending the freedom of individuals against excessive state and economic power - these are the objectives that drive the ideas and actions of the Heinrich Böll Foundation. We maintain close ties to the German Green Party (Alliance 90/The Greens) and as a think tank for green visions and projects, we are part of an international network encompassing well over 100 partner projects in approximately 60 countries.
The Heinrich Böll Foundation works independently and nurtures a spirit of intellectual openness. We maintain a world wide network with currently 30 international offices. We cooperate closely with 16 state-level Böll Foundations in each of Germany’s federal states, and we support talented, socio-politically engaged undergraduate and graduate students in Germany and abroad.
We gladly follow Heinrich Böll’s exhortation for citizens to get involved in politics, and we want to inspire others to do the same.'
Well, in this case, it's not 'who you are'. Shame on the Foundation for misusing Heinrich Boell's name and legacy as a frequently uncomfortable intellectual presence in German politics, not to mention freeriding on his 1972 Nobel Literature Prize.
Masha Gessen has made a totally appropriate comparison between the Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza. I wish her safety and peace.
I wish her go to Gaza and check her comparison face to face with people who killed gay people on the fly.
She never said a word about extermination gay people in Gaza by Hamas. It’s not in her agenda.
@@irinapresentэто противоречит религии мусульман,геи должны были об этом знать,но при чём тут дети и женщины,убитые цахал?!
@@user-fo3ex5nw7q So, because person is a gay, she or he does not have rights for a life? Is it what you think?
And what about Ukrainian women and children killed by Russian occupants? Do you care about them?
@@irinapresentвсе имеют право на жизнь,но если в исламе предусмотрена смерть за садомию,как они могут поступить иначе?! Не надо их провоцировать! Украина 8 лет делала геноцид на Донбассе,и мы,русские защитим Донбасс, чего бы нам это ни стоило!!!!!!.. А если вы гей,я ничего не имею против,только другим не навязывайте ваш образ мыслей и образ жизни. А дети Газы вас и не волнуют,вы только о себе любимом или любимой,как там вас ,не знаю ,называть?!
@@user-fo3ex5nw7qdo you think it’s ok to kill people for their secular orientation? Do you support murder of innocent Ukrainian women and children by Russian occupants?
Such an important discourse. I've never understood why the largest genocide, the genocide of Indigenous peoples of "the Americas" is never included in these basic but important conversations on genocide. It's as if no one actually cares that the U.S. itself is occupied stolen land. Indigenous descendants are expected to endure poverty, environmental racism and the restrictions of water. The U.S. supreme court recently denied the NAVAJO NATIONS suit for access to THEIR OWN ANCESTRAL WATER! The ruling presents as neo-colonialism.
Power and resistance play an important role. It is clear that Native Americans failed to defend their lands and populations.
Some victims are more equal than other victims! And particularly those who exercise disproportionate power in society.
Because if the genocide itself was recognized as *intentional* ; if the trashing of treaties was recognized as *intentional* acts in service to the expansion of state power,this could create a raft of legitimate lawsuits literally all across the nation that,in total,would carve out whole sections of United States territory.
I say this as a Haudenosaunee,not as an apologist for the USA tm corporate entity.
Land treaties and resource use treaties were and are being broken literally in every single state.
Just pretend that none of it was intentional,none of it was cultural (and literal) genocide and as if by magic,there is no legal claim to be made.
"It just is what it is"....But of course nobody ever meant for this to happen,it just sort of did...
@@FarhatKChI'd be interested in an example,from you,of this thesis you have presented.
just Move if you protestors don't like your country.....Go help your terrorist Hamas & Putin
Stunning half hour. Thank you Amy.
Thank you Masha Gessen! And Amy Goodman. This is such an important interview.
Germany has a knack for standing at the wrong side of genocide
Yep, on the wrong side of history.again.
Amen
what a fantastic segment
As always, Gessen is on the right side of the history! I honestly stopped reading my New Yorker because of their very biased "reporting" on Israel's atrocities, and canceled the upcoming renewal. Thank you Gessen!
Thank you Amy for the wonderful guests that you interview. Masha Gessen is very couragious and articulate in explaining the truth about Israel's criminal acts, in light of how hard they try to silence voices like his by complicity from Western governments, the so called democracies, beacons of freedom and human rights.
One account, far from unusual, is especially harrowing: A woman who survived the Nova music festival in Re'im witnessed a young woman encircled by Hamas, stripped naked, violated, and manhandled by multiple Hamas terrorists as they gang raped her, repositioning her by the waist and hips, moving from one rapist to the other.
Shuddering at the memory, covering her face, with difficulty, the eyewitness continued: One terrorist pulled the woman's long hair, forcibly arching her neck backwards, fully exposing her naked torso, only to sever both her breasts from her chest with his commando knife. Her entire torso fell backwards, slackened in agony. She may have fainted, though she lived through the mutilation. The disembodied breasts fell to the ground, where terrorists casually played with them.
Sergeant Major Natah Katz from the IDF Rabbinical Unit at the Shura base near Ramle described to me cadavers he received with breasts and genitals hacked off, one with a knife impaled directly into the vagina. The mutilation of sexual organs and breasts, "seemed to be an obsession," he recalled. Dr. Chen Kugel, head of Israel's National Forensic Center has confirmed to me the same.
Indeed, Hamas arrived with orders to mass rape: Phrasebooks belonging to Hamas found in the Re'im area listed phonetic Hebrew commands in Arabic "Take your clothes off!"; " Spread your legs!'; "Get down!" Terabytes of their own video data confirm Hamas raped, amputated breasts, mutilated women's genitals, and committed systematic sexual crimes on both the living and the dead. Necrophilia has been explicitly reported.
I live in Germany since almost a decade now, I was always thankful and inspired by a country that made of self-reflection about horrors of war such an important topic in society. Now I'm so deeply disappointed and upset for all the measures limiting freedom of speech, debate, critical thinking.
History will eventually judge much of the crazyness going on these days... for the moment I just keep reading works by people like Masha Gessen, Norm Finkelstein, Ilan Pappe and others and keep myself educated.
I love Masha’s work I have followed it for years ❤
Is it a man or a woman? Or neither.
@@PadraigpAre you confused on a regular basis dear,? It must be really challenging to live in the adult world isn't it?
@@Padraigp Eine Frau.
@@Peter-ov6xh thank you
Masha is Masha 😊👍 I believe they use they/them pronouns.
What a powerful interview! Thank you
I liked the part when Masha Gessen explained how the idea of special status of Holocaust is unhelpful and makes it more difficult to learn from it to stop similar atrocities. We should be comparing. We should be examining those notions and stay vigilant.
Some orthodox Rabbis compare this special status as the new golden calf that prevents those putting it forward to be in alignment with god or with humane policies.
@@UTubeISphereWow,that's very interesting.
From what you said,I would agree.This appears to be a sound,good faith position.
Could you point me towards any writings or individuals who have espoused this view? Thanks.
@@mirandatarantella The one I remember most concretely is Yaakov Shapiro, most likely in an interview on the differences between anti-semitism and anti- Zionism, in which he likes to distinguish between a 3000-year tradition (Judaeism) and a roughly 130 (?)-year old modern ethno-nationalist ideology (Zionism) rooted in the late 19th century that (mis-)appropriates some elements and symbols of the former but abandons, from his perspective, the richness and values of the former.
@@UTubeISphere Thank you,I look him up :)
I agree completely.
I drew the comparison myself and wrote about it on many comments on You Tube channels. I believe Masha Gessen is just stating the obvious. I urge everyone to read about the Warsaw Ghetto, my father came here from Poland between WWI and WWII so he avoided the camps and the Warsaw Ghetto but the history of that place and what the Nazis did is so similar to modern tactics of the Israeli government. I believe that Israelis learned all the wrong things from their holocaust history.
People around the world who live under the iron fist of despots and military dictators should know this !
Israel is the world leader in exporting weapons of "pacification" meaning weapons to control and suppress their downtrodden populations. Most of these nations have the worst human rights records in the world.
Israel also exports weapons and methods which it has tested against their human guinea pigs in Gaza and the west bank. There are many of these countries who are friends of Israel and depend on its training and technology to stay in power. Israel also exports cyber warfare software to the USA and all the western nations.
Israel is the best thing that ever happened to despots throughout the globe.
So true. It’s like how my therapist says- lot of times people do to other what has been done to them, good bad and everything in between. I don’t know why certain parts of the world cannot come to terms that Israeli govt is committing genocide, similar to what Nazis attempted on them.
One account, far from unusual, is especially harrowing: A woman who survived the Nova music festival in Re'im witnessed a young woman encircled by Hamas, stripped naked, violated, and manhandled by multiple Hamas terrorists as they gang raped her, repositioning her by the waist and hips, moving from one rapist to the other.
Shuddering at the memory, covering her face, with difficulty, the eyewitness continued: One terrorist pulled the woman's long hair, forcibly arching her neck backwards, fully exposing her naked torso, only to sever both her breasts from her chest with his commando knife. Her entire torso fell backwards, slackened in agony. She may have fainted, though she lived through the mutilation. The disembodied breasts fell to the ground, where terrorists casually played with them.
Sergeant Major Natah Katz from the IDF Rabbinical Unit at the Shura base near Ramle described to me cadavers he received with breasts and genitals hacked off, one with a knife impaled directly into the vagina. The mutilation of sexual organs and breasts, "seemed to be an obsession," he recalled. Dr. Chen Kugel, head of Israel's National Forensic Center has confirmed to me the same.
Indeed, Hamas arrived with orders to mass rape: Phrasebooks belonging to Hamas found in the Re'im area listed phonetic Hebrew commands in Arabic "Take your clothes off!"; " Spread your legs!'; "Get down!" Terabytes of their own video data confirm Hamas raped, amputated breasts, mutilated women's genitals, and committed systematic sexual crimes on both the living and the dead. Necrophilia has been explicitly reported.
Excellent interview!
If leaders fail morally, civilians must be United and show our rejection
Keep going DN ❤
I have long admired Masha Gessen and this just confirms my admiration.
Thanks for covering this, and so quickly.
Once again we have to be ashamed to be German :(
Don't be. Be proud of being a human being capable of thinking and feeling beyond what would be 'politically correct'. I salute you for that. Thank you.
I disagree. Looking at how germany as a society reaczed to the attrocities commited by us against our neighbours and by our neighbours against us and comparing it to the way the palestinian arabs handled a similar situation, I think we have done much better over time, in our and our neighbours interest.
Mate, part of the problem is that Germans have been conditioned to feel shame before they think critically about the topic. Germany should focus on being on the right side of the issue, but it would be quickly associated with a Nazi past. Germany needs to distance itself from the US pseudo-occupation that exists currently without swinging wildly to the right, as many states are due to the AfD leveraging these emotions.
It is important that the current young generation of Germany understand the wrongs of the past, but don't let that prevent them standing against the wrongs of the present.
Not your fault. All Western Governments are horrible right now
@@organicod2438 You are picking up traditional extremist right wing talking point: so called "US occupation" and "conditioned shame" and argue to give in to them in order to take them away from the extreme rigth.
Are you insane or stupid?
Bless you, Brian Cox, for reciting Refaat Alareer's poem, and bless you, Masha Gessen, for the work that you do. 😇
What a beautifully nuanced explanation! Thank you and peace to all.
What a great interview! Much respect to such a thoughtful couple of people.
Thank you, Masha, for this explanation. I couldn’t agree more that ignorance is the pit into which we fall and our willingness to be ignorant makes that pit an inescapable trap. Those who close their eyes to the past are too cowardly to admit their guilt for their own part in it. They need to own it so they can take the APPROPRIATE measures to avoid going there again. It’s not good to go overboard in either direction.
They declared war on October 7th. They dance in the streets; they hurled abuse and spat at Israeli captives.
They knew what they were unleashing.
I’ve been saying it’s like the Warsaw Ghetto for years. I live in Warsaw.
One account, far from unusual, is especially harrowing: A woman who survived the Nova music festival in Re'im witnessed a young woman encircled by Hamas, stripped naked, violated, and manhandled by multiple Hamas terrorists as they gang raped her, repositioning her by the waist and hips, moving from one rapist to the other.
Shuddering at the memory, covering her face, with difficulty, the eyewitness continued: One terrorist pulled the woman's long hair, forcibly arching her neck backwards, fully exposing her naked torso, only to sever both her breasts from her chest with his commando knife. Her entire torso fell backwards, slackened in agony. She may have fainted, though she lived through the mutilation. The disembodied breasts fell to the ground, where terrorists casually played with them.
Sergeant Major Natah Katz from the IDF Rabbinical Unit at the Shura base near Ramle described to me cadavers he received with breasts and genitals hacked off, one with a knife impaled directly into the vagina. The mutilation of sexual organs and breasts, "seemed to be an obsession," he recalled. Dr. Chen Kugel, head of Israel's National Forensic Center has confirmed to me the same.
Indeed, Hamas arrived with orders to mass rape: Phrasebooks belonging to Hamas found in the Re'im area listed phonetic Hebrew commands in Arabic "Take your clothes off!"; " Spread your legs!'; "Get down!" Terabytes of their own video data confirm Hamas raped, amputated breasts, mutilated women's genitals, and committed systematic sexual crimes on both the living and the dead. Necrophilia has been explicitly reported.
Masha has been frankly speaking truth to power for years. Its often an uncomfortable truth, but those are the most important ones to pay attention to.
I deeply admire Masha Gessen. Thank you for your courage.
Thank you also for ‘If I Must Die”.
They're brilliant, and clearly their writing is doing its job as we are all gathered around it and charged up to take it into our circles. Bravi
Irony- In the New Yorker interview Gessen quotes Arendt’s letter to the Times, from 1948, condemning the murderous actions of Begin’s “Freedom Party.” Someone already commented that Arendt herself would not have received the prize named after her. She and Gessen are part of a long, difficult, dangerous,
(doomed?)tradition, starting with Amos,and Micah.
Not doomed.
The banner of speaking truth to power is eternally passed on to those willing to bear it.
One account, far from unusual, is especially harrowing: A woman who survived the Nova music festival in Re'im witnessed a young woman encircled by Hamas, stripped naked, violated, and manhandled by multiple Hamas terrorists as they gang raped her, repositioning her by the waist and hips, moving from one rapist to the other.
Shuddering at the memory, covering her face, with difficulty, the eyewitness continued: One terrorist pulled the woman's long hair, forcibly arching her neck backwards, fully exposing her naked torso, only to sever both her breasts from her chest with his commando knife. Her entire torso fell backwards, slackened in agony. She may have fainted, though she lived through the mutilation. The disembodied breasts fell to the ground, where terrorists casually played with them.
Sergeant Major Natah Katz from the IDF Rabbinical Unit at the Shura base near Ramle described to me cadavers he received with breasts and genitals hacked off, one with a knife impaled directly into the vagina. The mutilation of sexual organs and breasts, "seemed to be an obsession," he recalled. Dr. Chen Kugel, head of Israel's National Forensic Center has confirmed to me the same.
Indeed, Hamas arrived with orders to mass rape: Phrasebooks belonging to Hamas found in the Re'im area listed phonetic Hebrew commands in Arabic "Take your clothes off!"; " Spread your legs!'; "Get down!" Terabytes of their own video data confirm Hamas raped, amputated breasts, mutilated women's genitals, and committed systematic sexual crimes on both the living and the dead. Necrophilia has been explicitly reported.
It is too absurd. Hanna Arendt wouldn't have gotten the Hannah Arendt prize if you applied those kinds of criteria to it'
- Masha Gessen 👏👏👏
Thank you for a highly enlightening interview. Hannah Arendt's legacy is so important now, it always is, but now we need to understand her ideas deeply because they give us tools to understand what's going on in Gaza.
Большое спасибо, Маша. 🙏🙏🙏 Для меня было очень важно услышать Вас.
Amazing human! So courageous! So clearsighted! So strong! She makes me hope for humanity. I absolutely need to read that book.
I respect this man. God bless you for standing up for what is right!
Enormous respect for you Masha Gessen. Many people from around the world praying and sending courageous wishes for you.❤
Prises aren't given to the ones that necessary deserves them but to the ones that goes along with the narrative. So disturbing ! I really didn't know the Germany was occupied ! Sorry for you guys ! 😢
America occupies a lot of places...their huge buildings are built and tax free all sorts of subsidies and destroy local bussiness demand resources etc. Taking over agriculture in europe for decades. America or big global bussiness which really has no home has occupied a lot of the world. Capitalism Baby yeah.
Rather paralyzed from guilt.
That is getting into Good Trouble!
Masha Gessen: Intelligent, knowledgeable, informative, courageous, and more. It's always a pleasure listening to and learning from them.
Great interview with a morally consistent thinker and writer. Thank you
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I read her. I learn from her. I respect her. I want Masha to know that many care deeply about and need Masha Gessen in this world.
@@jonlittle5032 I live in Mexico, and “they” I understand, still getting used to the new terms. Doesn’t mean I don’t respect. Will keep trying.
@@jonlittle5032 And perhaps you should be less of a scold. Masha is still a female regardless of whatever Orwellian attempt is made to control people's speech. So no, "she" and "her" are perfectly normal to use in this context.
@@barbararenaud Please don't feel the need to apologize for the 3rd grade schoolteacher trying to scold you. "She" and "her" are perfectly normal to use when referring to a female, which is what Masha Gessen is.
Who's attempting to enforce "normative" behavior? You are, by going around scolding people who don't use the woke-normative "they" nonsense.
@@jonlittle5032 Lol and so the fact that a bunch of navel-gazing morons in gender studies classes came up with this cultish enforcement of "they/them" speech, such as you've exemplified, doesn't make it correct either.
Congratulations Amy! Great interview! 🌟
This is encouraging as I have made the comparison between the two ghettos for a long time. But I am just a Joe Blow and maybe this will bring needed attention to this tragic situation.
Hey, hey.
I've been doing this parallelism since October. The uprising in 1943
One account, far from unusual, is especially harrowing: A woman who survived the Nova music festival in Re'im witnessed a young woman encircled by Hamas, stripped naked, violated, and manhandled by multiple Hamas terrorists as they gang raped her, repositioning her by the waist and hips, moving from one rapist to the other.
Shuddering at the memory, covering her face, with difficulty, the eyewitness continued: One terrorist pulled the woman's long hair, forcibly arching her neck backwards, fully exposing her naked torso, only to sever both her breasts from her chest with his commando knife. Her entire torso fell backwards, slackened in agony. She may have fainted, though she lived through the mutilation. The disembodied breasts fell to the ground, where terrorists casually played with them.
Sergeant Major Natah Katz from the IDF Rabbinical Unit at the Shura base near Ramle described to me cadavers he received with breasts and genitals hacked off, one with a knife impaled directly into the vagina. The mutilation of sexual organs and breasts, "seemed to be an obsession," he recalled. Dr. Chen Kugel, head of Israel's National Forensic Center has confirmed to me the same.
Indeed, Hamas arrived with orders to mass rape: Phrasebooks belonging to Hamas found in the Re'im area listed phonetic Hebrew commands in Arabic "Take your clothes off!"; " Spread your legs!'; "Get down!" Terabytes of their own video data confirm Hamas raped, amputated breasts, mutilated women's genitals, and committed systematic sexual crimes on both the living and the dead. Necrophilia has been explicitly reported.
Thank you Masha & Amy.Thank you for being the voice for the voiceless.💔
I am so grateful for both of you and for this important interview. ❤❤
Such an intellectually thoughtful conversation. Thank you both.
Important work, thank you.
I won't ignore my 'lying' eyes, no matter how much the Israelis squeal.