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- Your Sleeping Pad is more important than you think. Especially when it gets cold. Your Sleeping Pad works WITH your Sleeping Bag to keep you warm. Your Sleeping Bag can't do it on its own. To stay safe you want an R Value of 5 or higher in winter. Or you can Layer Sleeping Pads.
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I've been living on the streets for 7 years. I'm using a 27 dollar kmart self inflating pad changed my life 1st pillow I've had In many years. I'm getting a mountain warehouse sleeping bag this week been many years of sleeping under cardboard love the channel. Getting a one person tent soon too my 1st shelter I'm 35
Please bro give me advice... I'm gonna be homeless in less than a month, I need to talk with a experienced street person like you
@@angie7010-dp5sl my brother im back on the streets but i have a new setup. ill have a new samsung phone in a week ill make sure i contact you and make a new video. im literally just at the libary trying to put together a meal for the night but its not looking good haha
I'm 35y old, living in Serbia , working for about 1000€ a month...
And I own a home and a middle class car.
Thank you god for everything.
@@angie7010-dp5slhope you are doing well, be safe brother
@angie7010-dp5sl hey man I was homeless for many years as well, and this channel IS a good one for tips such as this. But for the homeless side if things, don't be afraid to ask people for help. We all can sense honesty to some degree, and when you approach or stop someone be sure to be honest about what you need, most people will outright buy it for you. "Hey man" "Exscuse me, sir" "Miss?" Are all really good ways to politely get someone's attention, following with "I don't need you cash but I do need your help, if you could grab me some food" (a sleeping bag, pack, phones, weed, I went from asking people for money for things to just asking for things)
It's honest, and it gets you help faster than anything else, and you don't waste your time spanging or flying a sign. You can take that time now to do as you please, and that should be to get back inside on your feet
STAY AWAY FROM BOOZE. And obviously hard drugs. Stay away from hardcore drug users and alcoholics, you are who you associate with. Libraries are your friend, free computer acces for jobs and couch surfing, and a place to be warm and charge devices. If you are in a place of less opportunities, hitchhike to the next! It possible to do I promise, just use common sense and caution. You may find you like traveling, and if so hop on the road! Go off and see all you've wanted to see, I've been to 45 states in my 4 years of homelessness, you don't have to stay where you are!! If you're still needing help just reply to me with any questions and I'll help you out
I don't even hike but if I do, I know what to watch.
You should start hiking. It's so so incredibly good for your body and mind. If you wanna get started look up Dan Becker's $700 full gear list.
@@cryptainer668 Or... Here me out... Grab a water bottle and just *go hike.* Find a local, medium to short trail and just go hike. You don't need to spend hundreds to go walk in nature.
@@smileyguyz absolutely. You can have an incredible amount of fun in nature with a good pair of hiking shoes and a bottle o' water. I was saying if he wanted to do overnighters.
It is better to have the CCF pad on top of the inflatable pad. A CCF pad heats up quicker - when you toss and turn, you do not get cold spots for as long as when having the pads other way around, since the baffles of the air mattress need to heat up whenever you move, taking longer since the R value is higher. You also have this layer of air between the pads closer to your body, which reflects heat back more efficiently the closer it is
I knew that this worked, but never had an explanation for why until now. Thanks!
why not sandwich the air bed with 2 foams? more = better :-D
Unless the inflatable pad will be directly on the ground.
@@mikuspalmis how so?
@@Teemu_Hartikainen I don't know, but it probably happens.
This information has been very helpful in saving cash since I already have these two pads. Thanks.
In addition to the foam pad, I’ve always added a Mylar emergency blanket between my quilt and my air pad and found that it significantly improves the comfort level of my low R value (3 season) air pad. The couple of ounces it adds to my pack are worth it to me.
In northern europe there is a trick to create more insulation in the snow, it's to pile loose Coniferous branches beneath your tent.
This was essential on my last trip earlier this week as I was having a fever and just couldn't stay warm enough without it. I'm glad it didn't got much below - 10C
Only works below the tree line though, but it's a great trick.
I think it's a natural thing we do , common sence .
I've made a nest 4 feet high when I didnt have sleeping bag , woke up at 3:30 am with two bucks standing over me . But than again I've always been around or in the bush since I was 5 out hunting , chickens and rabbits . Thinking back now at 60 , i was out hunting with a 177 pellet gun miles from home . Had Two types of bears , Grizzlies and black . Mountain lions, lynx, Bobcats, in are area .
children today will not know the fun , or the extra sence you will develop being so close to nature .
Cure for Atention deficit disorder imo
Get them into the forest for a day or two .
@@fragilelivesbrokendreams3074 I have attention deficit disorder and I'm currently doing a university degree in outdoors recreation. It's definitely not a cure. There's no such thing as a cure for attention deficit disorder as it's caused by a difference in brain structure. What helps is support and understanding, as well as accepting yourself with the limitations you have. That, and working hard on developing skills that can alleviate the problems that the disorder causes for your life. But the symptoms persist whatever you do.
@@DirtyPoul I wonder if not feeding from the breast as a child has an effect , such as chemical imbalance an such
@@DirtyPoul there was a time when a friend of my son came with us for a adventure into the woods . Next day his mother came over and thanked me for taking her son for the afternoon . She said that she didnt have to give him his meds for add that night as he was relaxed and slept great . To much simulation with the tv shows of today . I've watch the real old ppl faces / body reactions as they watch shows with violance and such . I noticed that their bodies and faces were reacting to what was on the screen .
I have sat outdoors on the back stoop . Just me and all the animals .Quite and nobody is really stressing .
It's good for the soul to get out there tbh .
This applies to regular clothing too. More layers=more trapped air, so better insulation. A lot if times, 2 thin layers will work better than 1 thick one.
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I like putting this Foam pad on top of my air mattress (cheap, ultralight air mattress)... it feels so comfortable!
I tie them up with pre-made ropes.
For extra ultralight warmth, you can spray-glue that "emergency reflective blanket" unto a Tyvek and wrap it around the air matt, under the foam matt (tied together by two/three ropes)
It's nice, because the foam mattress can then be used as a seat or to lay down.
You can use that left over reflectix from making your pot coozie for a bottom layer. It works really well and a 25 inch by 6 foot section only weighs about 10 ounces.
I've found that putting the air mattress on the bottom and foam pad on top to be much warmer.
When I stack pads for winter I use a little duct tape in a couple places around the edge to help reduce slipping at night or if i have my bivy bag I’ll stuff them in there also it seems to help waking up frozen on the bare ground more
I've gone through cheap foam pads and good air pads too. 2 layers of army surplus closed cell foam pads are the best so far, winter camping. they are wider but not as light as those expensive ones. But some of the expensive ones make noise when you breath.
Camping in the snow is crazy fun
Plus, if you're pad pops, you still have some kind of pad to keep you from losing all your body heat to the ground and to give a little cushion.
In Pakistan we buy foam sheets for $1 and under sleep bags 😊
i have a WAY overkill R 11 mat and i took it out traveling last weekend and slept in -12 C perfectly fine. a sleeping mat is soo important. this i learned the hard way by getting hypothermia in -6 C because i did not have a mat and was already cold.
I just bought a r value of 8 pad. It's dreamy
I didn’t realize they made them that highly rated or I would’ve bought one. The one I bought fills up the whole bottom of my pack
Thanks for the tip. That makes my foam mattress come back from retirement. I finally totally converted to inflatable ones.
I always use ccf on top and under during winter for best warmth. same goes for quilts inside a sleepingbag or something.
This is the video that made me subscribe , I was having trouble finding a higher R value that's affordable . I'm ashamed I didn't think of this ,it's just common sense .
One of those reflective emergency blankets can go along way in keeping you warmer on frozen ground.
@Matt D False. Those reflective blankets do nothing to prevent heat transferred by conduction. If you are touching that blanket, and it is touching the ground, heat is transferring.
Space blankets have basically zero insulation. They are made for the other two types of heat transfer: Convection and radiation. They're great with radiation. They can block wind, and trap some heat from your breath... but they're not breathable, so if your breath condenses on it, you get wet, and you get cold quicker, then die quicker.
While camping with my son in scouts, we camped one weekend where the daytime temp was 6d F and nighttime temps at or near 0. The next morning, you could tell who had the emergency blanket under their bedding and who did not by the size of the patch of thawed earth.
@@phil2082 Getting wet only matters if that moisture can escape. That's why you can layer two socks with a plastic back between the two socks to keep much warmer as it prevents the moisture from cooling you down through evaporation.
@@DirtyPoul Moisture can escape from these bivys. Furthermore, that liquid conducts heat away from skin even faster than the space blanket material was before.
This guy always make good videos!
Maybe you guys would like a sponge cushion.
if you start a fire and you soften the ground, dig a hole and burn some timber in the hole make it nice and hot than covering the hole than place whatever sleeping gear you have over said hole, make sure it's safe....
I just want to know how to stop slipping around on my pad.
I have a real problem finding the right sleeping pad because I cowboy camp. 😅
As homeless, I've got only the cheaper one. At -1^, it works perfectly fine. Ive got no Moji.
Hey, what do you think the R-value is of my 2 inch foam pad i found hanging on a tree by an overpass with a folded tarp on top of it? Lol. It did well in 35°F weather the other night along with my 30°F sleeping bag. Yes, im homeless but im working and cant wait to get this first paycheck so i can get some real non-walmart equipment. Its not so bad being homeless because ive always loved camping. I camp.....every night. Lol. My co-workers have no idea that i leave and go sleep in the woods every night. Gotta do what you gotta do.
There's lots of factors, but 35° is a dangerous temp range if it should rain or snow melt. I'm getting down below 10° where I am at with below zero threatening in a few days. I got my ground padding mostly solved provided my stealth doesn't get compromised, but I found an extra help that has done me well: A simple silver car sunshade from the $1.35 store (aka dollar tree). Cheap, light, replaceable but works well for everynight use.
Having the woods to go to is lucky.
What's your opinion on the use of s hammock for winter camping?
Thank you!
Got these two
Heading out to Adirondacks
I used just a Chinese foam cell pad with a vango 300 sleeping bag a one Tigris down blanket and a the alp kit bivy in -8c degrees under a dd tarp on the snow and wasn’t to bad video is on my UA-cam
Mylifeoutdoors, Dan Becker, and the outdoor gear review channels are good to follow. No agenda, no bias or paid reviews.
Lol ok, since every other video shows paid sponsorship😂
What if yours let air escape. Even with an expensive better better have something to put under the sleeping bag. In such cold remember Murphy's law.
Question, when camping in the rain how do I prevent my sleeping gear from getting wet if water gets in my tent?
Expensive unless you get it used from REI. I got a wide regular Thermarest neoair xtherm for $129 and it looks like it’s never been used. You can get some gear deals in the used gear section or their website.
Time to get rid of the neo air xtherm and get a more comfortable pad.
Thx👍
That's 250$ right there, too 😂
I tried this with 2 inflatable pads, wasn’t great. I’m sure it’d be better with one foam, one inflatable
Do people actually need to be told to layer stuff?
I’m wondering why the pad manufactures don’t make long and wide closed cell pads anymore. Especially with wide pads becoming popular and being layered in winter
US Energy Products AD3 & AD5
Why not a mylar bag or blanket underneath less bulk more reflective
Do you use a foam pad with an air pad in summer to protect the air pad?
I think you should be using both of those with the Nemo Tenser, because the tenor is not very durable
I like to call width elements pads, roll offs, because that's the result.
R value of snow is 1 per 1 inch, isn't it?
I believe that is right. But what ever touches the snow will try to equalize temperature through conduction. Like ice in a cooler. The beer will melt the ice a bit, but the ice will make the beer very cold.
Sir, please let me know about this item is how much in Indian Rupees . This sleeping bag
What about for really hot weather? I’m planning a backpacking trip in the southern us in the summer.
I put a reflective emergency blanket under my pad
Roughly how many degrees would you add to the advertised temperature of a sleeping pad, just to be on the safe side? I’m considering a pad with a 2.9r value. They say -5 degrees Celsius, but I would imagine +5 would be more realistic?
Way too low R-value. You'll get cold no matter the rating on your sleeping bag in those temperatures. Insane that they'd advertise that.
I was still freezing with 3 of them pad
Curios but I’m assuming the r value of a sleeping pad is a full loft? Would the r value of a pad lower from the compression of a body laying on top or is it rated that way?
It’s tested and rated with a weighted dummy on it. So the r value should be fairly accurate.
It wont let me click the link and idk how to find it
Sleeping bag bottom fill. What's the point? Would a sleeping pad bottom be better? NEXT LEVEL!
Good luck having an icecicle for a butt crack in the morning, after you wiggled yourself free from the quilt.
@@andredeketeleastutecomplex Compression. All that fill goes to waste. Add a bivvy bag with padding as well (Layers) (...and big enough for a pack)!. I used military ones anyhow. Hot cold, wet...that's life!
Space Suit. No need for anything else. Cooling and bugs.... that's a problem!
Where’s the Marriott?!
Brilliant!
Or just get a hammock and underquilt and a zero degree bag. For really cold nights, add a top quilt. It's way more expensive, but it's way more comfortable because you sleep with your head below your feet, and you dream all night long
sleeping head below feet raises blood pressure doesn’t it
Hammock depends on the person. For some of us, it's one of the worst ways to sleep in any temp, but to its credit, it adds a great option for more adventurous types in terrain where good ground campsites are hard to find, like the rainy, thickly wooded Northwest.
Therefore I carry a very lightweight hammock for short nights when getting back on the hiking trail is higher priority than a good camp with fire, cooking, et cetera. The latter is my much preferred choice, but I love options and I'm willing to pack a little heavier to have them.
- Semper Gumby
Most important thing is what you’re wearing! With my winter gear on I can directly sleep on top of snow..no pad..just a tarp and sleeping bag 👍🏼
If u want real cheap take a trashbag and fill it with random stuff like debris.
I mean the cheapest Nemo Tensor is already £180, the one I'd need is £220. So yea... Unless you mean buy a summer pad and use the foam for making it suitable for winter, rather than buying two pads.
I mean top of snow is good. Snow itself insulates.
Top of rocks or ice in winter is bad
2+4=6
My butt is still cold with this set up so I put 10x12 inches pad inside my sleeping bag, works the best 🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌
my sleeping pad is the least important part of my system...because i dont use one
I hate air pads. Ive gone to a blue insulation mat that rolls up and toss my emergency blanket under it.
Everything is a commercial
You know - sleeping in the extreme cold - it's actually quite a luxury. You're gonna have to pay the tax.
Why not just lay on some rockwool?
Get a nice hotel for £250
Don't know why I watch these videos..I'm from England, wild camping is illegal over here.😁👍
Really? That's terrible.
Try the opposite way and you will be surprised. .
This doesn't work because the air in the pad will still be cold from the air on the sides. You can lay a low R value pad on top of a 10R car camping pad and still be cold. Why? Because of the cold air temps. In order to stack properly, you need to get off the cold air in the under rated air pad. You need to stack the close cell pad on top, not the bottom. It will only do little down under the air pad. It wont be an equal addition either. I've tried it and still been cold. You could need to stack so many closed cell on top, that you'd be at the weight of a car camping pad or just a high rated air pad in cost anyway. A lot of people makes these claims on youtube but are not actually doing what they claim. When they stack them like this, they're always starting with a high rated R value pad anyway, where the closed cell pad if removed, wouldn't even be noticed.
In short; this doesn't work worth a lick on the bottom, and only so much when placed on top.
It works great I use this method everytine I camp in the winter. And the winters here are cold and snowy.
@@CanadienWoodsman Can you list specifics?
1. What air pad are you using? (what's the ASTM R value rating?)
2. What closed cell pad are you using? (what's the ASTM R value rating?)
3. What are the temps in C (preferably F if you know) when you stack them, with the closed celled foam on bottom?
@@CanadienWoodsman Well?
@@Warrior_Resisting_Colonialism So friend, here are the mats, I use a sea to summit ultra light R and a savotta mat layered one on top of an other. I tested this setup with a tarp, laying on snow. In minus 35 celius. I do not know the specifics for the R rating. But I can certify it works.
Good day mate.
@@CanadienWoodsman Thanks for the reply.
So your air pad is only 1.1 R and the foam is 2 R. That's only 3.1 R (stacked either way). 3 R is "good" down to about 50F or 10C.
I have a 3.7 R pad and it's no good at all in winter. Anything lower than 40F / 4.4c it's worthless.
I'm sorry, but there's just no way 3.1 R will take you down to - 31F / -35C. For those temps you NEED at least 6R, preferably 7 R.
If you tested this, you probably only did so for a couple minutes. If you laid on 3.1R for 20 minutes, your butt would turn to ice.
I tried my 3.7 R pad with a 2 R foam pad under it at 18F / -7C and it didn't seem to do anything.
I tried with the pad on top at temps above freezing at 35F / 1.6 C and the test failed after watching a movie, I had a cold butt and sore legs but at least the foam pad seemed to do something. I removed the foam pad and couldn't even lay there for 20 mins.
That was 5.7 R and at 35F / 1.6C it "should" have been enough keep me warm all through watching one movie and even all night for that matter, even right down to 0F but couldn't. Both were thermorest pads too. True R ratings.
I'm sorry, but there's just no way you could make due with such low R at such low temps. It's just impossible. You need at least 6 R total.
The v sauce of camping
You have no idea how much of a compliment that is
I just looked at the price of the one pad rated over 6 was $181.00
the 4.2 plus rated 2 pad bought was $216.00.!!!
I higher rated one was cheaper then buying 2???
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that you have listed in the comments
Price depends on what size you get and what gear you already have. The 6.9 pad wide (I exclusively sleep on wide pads) is $250 last I checked. And is over kill in the summer. Not to mention less comfortable. The 4.2 pad is something a lot of hikers already have. Or maybe a 3.2 pad. If you have one of those already it’s much cheaper to buy a closed cell foam pad and boost your r-value than a $250 pad you will only use 1-2 times a year. Even if you don’t have any gear yet, the layered pads will be more versatile, but admittedly bulkier/heavier. All of these factors will effect what someone should buy…but that is a lot of info to communicate in a short video. Hopefully someone won’t resign the entirety of their research and winter planning to one 30 sec video they saw on UA-cam.
Save a lot of money and have a fire going all night long.
Have a massive wool blanket which is my pad and quilt for the summer and then 3 foam pads with reflective tape and a air pad for the winter works a charm
Well snow is an insulator so...
What’s the r value of my30 foot rv with the heater at 72?
R value is used to measure the insulation in walls of homes and RV’s. So I don’t know it depends on how efficiently your RV holds that heat in? 😉
Don't need all that to camp outside in the woods. You have to be weight causes.