@@Some_guy_and_his_gamesNeat, so then why didn’t he use it against us? And can’t we just revive him? I keep hearing that excuse, I don’t buy it. What I can believe is the devs simply not making multiple of the same cutscene on the off chance a player is a healer.
@@MayHugger Actually there is some reasons why we can't revive him, Ressurrect does not work on anyone that is not a Warrior of Light for instance, and Y'shtola's deaths and revivals are... different, because she is attuned to aether itself.
@@victorfernandes9229 Why do we learn a spell REALLY early on that only works on us? Sounds like that should come a lot later if it’s that’s special, so I don’t buy that. If that is the case, please tell me where that is stated in the game.
Really pisses me off that they chose this route with every single encounter just for emotional and plot reasons. If I am playing as a fucking Reaper then I better be able to just send the blasphemies into oblivion.
I mean, what were you gonna do? Stun the big boss monster with a kick? Somehow get a power boost to instakill it, when the previous dungeon showed how durable these monsters are?
You have no idea. As a MCH who literally engages from as far a range as possible with gun always out and never needing reloads, I was yelling to just use ANYTHING
I hate this so much... same thing happened with Tesleen back in shb, like , cmon. Especially for ranged classes, You dont need to be in melee range to kick their asses
With Tesleen, they made it look like you and Alisaie were too far away to do anything about it. This time (and a LOT of other times) it was utter BS, though.
This is kind of lose-lose. Not everyone is running a ranged class. Some are running spellcasters, so you need to be in range, then plant your feet and start casting. Some are melee, such as Monk lacking any ranged options whatsoever. To increase tension, to raise the stakes, the WoL has to occasionally fail to save someone. If we saved every single named character we encountered, we wouldn't feel the same anxiety and urgency when the characters we *do* successfully save are in mortal danger. So either the dev team makes unique scenes for every individual role, increasing the workload and time required to get content out, or they basically ban the WoL from taking part in many scenes, thus kind of ejecting us from immersion in high-stress moments. There is no way to win here.
@@chiromagi7822 100% agree. Sometimes these sorts of things must happen, and we need to allow the story to overrule gameplay. I mean, I was Dragoon at the time. I could've easily did any number of my "Jump" attacks or just threw my spear and at least slowed the monster down. But that would've ruined the scene. This was supposed to be tragic - a moment where we as the player realized the foe before us is nigh insurmountable, and *will* kill indiscriminately. For me, it was a gut wrenching moment as well as a brilliant one.
@@chiromagi7822 I respectfully disagree. What makes the scene with the Satrap especially egregious is that not even 20 seconds later, the WoL kites the mob away and kills it off-screen while G'raha is being awesome. We could have done that at any time but didn't. Had the Warrior of Light been fighting a different mob off-screen, they could have had this one kill the Satrap and the scene would have worked just fine. The way to win is fairly straight forward: Make it so the WoL is either not there or too preoccupied with something else that makes them unable to step in. Or incapacitated.
When I got to that part, I had to take a break and walk away from my computer. Losing Ahewan like that hit me almost as hard as losing Haurchefant. Maybe that's just me tho... 😞
>Healers could res, rescue or shield >Tanks could provoke, paladins in particular could cover >Ranged and casters could use any of their ranged abilities, sleep, slow, or bind >Melee could use their gap closer I mean I get it's hard to write a scene where our godly powerful WoL is helpless , but seriously.
Radz At Han got pretty dark it needed one more push and it probably would have legitimately demoralized me. So much was going so wrong and so rapidly. We thought we were prepared, that we were strong, but the Final Days was a very insurmountable threat that needed to be ended more directly than trying to mitigate the damage globally. It was rough.
then there was the very end....watching everyone one by one vanish before your eyes.... only for us to after getting everyone back..."Push the Button", the button that to this day still annoys Alisaie
I felt the same. The death of the merchant's son and the Satrap shook me and Matsya was the final straw for me. The relief that overtook me right after with Estinien just made me legitimately sink into my chair. I wished Endwalker would have shown more of the Final Days and the chaos it was causing.
@@924252chongsir I believe that the story did a good job of showing how insurmountable the threat was and that there was no way we could go about doing it "alone" so to speak doing like a dungeon or trial at a time. It had to be dealt with more directly.
You summarised my feelings SO well. Everything was legitimately going sooo badly and we had no idea what was even causing it. Zodiark's gone!! What the hell ELSE is there!? And so we found out...
@@justrosie7521 Sort of reminds you Zodiark was the thing the Ancients made to prevent the calamity. We never really know what caused the Final Days until after... we didn't even ask the question really. We pulled out the drain in the tub basically.
Plunge would be equally effective too. I mean, Blasphemy or not, you're going to notice an insane guy in an armour jamming a sword into your sides who would most likely follow up with *more* magic.
As much as I loved the Endwalker story, this scene was definitely a spot of poor writing in an expansion with very excellent writing. I think it stands out a bit more because of that. They really should have done it more like Tesleen, where we were too far away to help, or make us preoccupied with something else that prevents us to help. I understand the technical reason why we can't do too much in cutscenes, it would be too much workload to personally animate every cutscene for every different job/race, but at least hide that a bit more and make it seem like we're doing more in cutscenes. Still enjoyed Endwalker a lot and will be excited to see the coming stories.
The excuse I found (for my own WoL's canon) is that while she immediately used her bow instead of running to save the satrap, her arrows couldn't pierce through the blasphemy's skin and she only found out after pulling it away that shooting the eyes injured it. Otherwise yeah, as a Bard main for this expansion I also yelled at my screen "JUST USE YOUR BOW!!" lol.
Yeah, this is the part that takes me out of a lot of scenes. I can actively see the devs shrugging because they can't write my character doing on screen action, due to how many potential ways it would need to be animated. So, they either have me do something off screen, pull out my weapon and have another character tell me "No," or I just stand there helplessly staring. Seriously, that entire segment of Endwalker gave me PTSD due to how disturbing it was and how I KNOW I would have handled key moments better if I was actually in direct control. Instead, I have to sit through this blood fest and just...watch, not even yet understanding WHY any of this is happening. Honestly, for me, Ahewan's death isn't even what stuck with me. It was the boy changing, turning on his dad, and then getting callously trampled by the larger monster. I play a lot of alts...and I don't know if could actively sit through that scene, like, six more times, without getting upset because my character is being story locked into passivity.
@@tastheresidentartist8010 I'll say, for me at least, finding ways to get the scions & others involved (NPC Duty support, giving them the warding scales, etc.) really helped with my immersion. I finally started to like them all during Heavensward, but was always taken out of it when I suddenly was told to "Go GrAb YoUr AdVeNtUrE bUdDiEs!!" The orange crystal from Shadowbringers was also a narritive godsend in that department, because not only does it help with pacing (ignoring actual duty wait time of course), it also justifies where 7 other random people come from while also allowing for some cool visual moments. That said, all of EW's darkness aside, I can't wait for Dawntrail's upbeat vibes.
This part always felt so stupid to me. When you were body swapped you managed to throw your sword in order to stop zenos from hurting your friends but in this instance, you couldn’t do the same. This scene would have worked if the WoL were pinned down or something.
For me, the worst part of the endwalker story was the Nidhana cutscene outside the tower of Zot. "Oh wow, we're escorting this defenceless elephant woman into an enemy lair? Let's walk 1000m behind so something DEFINITELY goes wrong." And ofc, she gets taken while the wol derps around in the background... That and this cutscene made me not enjoy endwalker as much.
There was zero crying if I remember correctly Kind of a consequence of being non important characters Honestly I don’t think anybody important got offed
@@DeltafangEX In the background, sure. I get despair was the trigger. I just feel the horror of what was happening felt rushed. In Shadowbringers they really took the time to show you how horrible the situation was with the Sin Eaters and the nigh apocalyptic world the people lived in. Here, it felt rushed and nobody seriously important got offed. Just my thoughts, dude.
@@durantes I agree 100%. Everyone beating the game and crying about it… I get it but there was nothing sad or bitter sweet to me or my sister (I watch her play the game) Because Shadowbringers did take it’s time and was way more brutal than endwalker for sure
Felt almost as bad as being a healer in Haurchefant's death.
to be fair it wouldn’t have worked anyway, the spear causes infirmity which prevents healing
we can literally raise people from the dead@@Some_guy_and_his_games
@@Some_guy_and_his_gamesNeat, so then why didn’t he use it against us? And can’t we just revive him?
I keep hearing that excuse, I don’t buy it. What I can believe is the devs simply not making multiple of the same cutscene on the off chance a player is a healer.
@@MayHugger Actually there is some reasons why we can't revive him, Ressurrect does not work on anyone that is not a Warrior of Light for instance, and Y'shtola's deaths and revivals are... different, because she is attuned to aether itself.
@@victorfernandes9229 Why do we learn a spell REALLY early on that only works on us? Sounds like that should come a lot later if it’s that’s special, so I don’t buy that. If that is the case, please tell me where that is stated in the game.
We always do that one mildly threatening gesture where we take a single small step forward instead of doing anything to help in the moment.
The old hand reach “noooo” thing 🤣🤣🤣
To be fair, if your WoL is one of the bigger races, it probably works in-universe.
Dunno about Lalafells though... 😅
Really pisses me off that they chose this route with every single encounter just for emotional and plot reasons. If I am playing as a fucking Reaper then I better be able to just send the blasphemies into oblivion.
@@arcanine_enjoyerTbf, if you’re a healer, you should just be able to heal or revive them.
Yeah like 100% I was yelling at my character to move, dial up tone for this bunny boy
FERREAL 🤣🤣🤣
I mean, what were you gonna do? Stun the big boss monster with a kick? Somehow get a power boost to instakill it, when the previous dungeon showed how durable these monsters are?
@@OtomostheCrazy my sis plays dragoon and she said she could’ve used her backflip thing to bop it ™️ at least
@@tastheresidentartist8010 wouldn’t have stopped the chomp.
As a WAR, I could have used Tomahawk.
As a brad main I was yelling "SHOOT YOU GOD DAMN BOW"
*BARRAGE* *THAT* *BITCH!*
Fuckin Brad
Never doing anything
as a MNK main(currently), i was yelling "YOU DONT NEED A WEAPON GODDAMN IT JUST BEAT THEIR ASSES"
You have no idea. As a MCH who literally engages from as far a range as possible with gun always out and never needing reloads, I was yelling to just use ANYTHING
@@hentaidude666 (as a BLM main)yea it was like - "WHY ARE YOU SO USELESS!! YOU HAVE SPELLS YOU FOOL!!"
We were totally next to it and couldn't even manage to run or flip over there faster... I really found it dumb that part and sad and I got angry
Stoopid writing- aw man (for this particular part)
“THROW YOUR GODDAMN SPEAR!!!!!!!! YOU’RE A DRAGOON!!!!! THROW YOUR FUCKING SPEAR!!!!!!!!!!” That was rough..
I hate this so much... same thing happened with Tesleen back in shb, like , cmon.
Especially for ranged classes, You dont need to be in melee range to kick their asses
E X A CT L Y 🤣 thank you
With Tesleen, they made it look like you and Alisaie were too far away to do anything about it. This time (and a LOT of other times) it was utter BS, though.
This is kind of lose-lose. Not everyone is running a ranged class. Some are running spellcasters, so you need to be in range, then plant your feet and start casting. Some are melee, such as Monk lacking any ranged options whatsoever. To increase tension, to raise the stakes, the WoL has to occasionally fail to save someone. If we saved every single named character we encountered, we wouldn't feel the same anxiety and urgency when the characters we *do* successfully save are in mortal danger.
So either the dev team makes unique scenes for every individual role, increasing the workload and time required to get content out, or they basically ban the WoL from taking part in many scenes, thus kind of ejecting us from immersion in high-stress moments. There is no way to win here.
@@chiromagi7822 100% agree. Sometimes these sorts of things must happen, and we need to allow the story to overrule gameplay. I mean, I was Dragoon at the time. I could've easily did any number of my "Jump" attacks or just threw my spear and at least slowed the monster down. But that would've ruined the scene. This was supposed to be tragic - a moment where we as the player realized the foe before us is nigh insurmountable, and *will* kill indiscriminately. For me, it was a gut wrenching moment as well as a brilliant one.
@@chiromagi7822 I respectfully disagree. What makes the scene with the Satrap especially egregious is that not even 20 seconds later, the WoL kites the mob away and kills it off-screen while G'raha is being awesome. We could have done that at any time but didn't.
Had the Warrior of Light been fighting a different mob off-screen, they could have had this one kill the Satrap and the scene would have worked just fine.
The way to win is fairly straight forward: Make it so the WoL is either not there or too preoccupied with something else that makes them unable to step in. Or incapacitated.
Me as a SCH: "I HAVE RESCUE, LET ME USE IT."
That whole time I was yelling at my screen "TAUNT YOU DAMN TANK! YOUR RIGHT THERE!!" it hurt to watch this part x.x
Reaper main, we can literally teleport and my Bun Boy just stares like, "Someone do something!" You ARE someone!
When I got to that part, I had to take a break and walk away from my computer. Losing Ahewan like that hit me almost as hard as losing Haurchefant. Maybe that's just me tho... 😞
Me at start of EW: Oh my god, he's SO PRETTY :D
Me during this: I'M SO SORRY I FLAGGED YOU FOR DEATH NO DONT DO THIS TO ME D:
As a bard main this killed me! I could have just shot it! Why am I running?!
>Healers could res, rescue or shield
>Tanks could provoke, paladins in particular could cover
>Ranged and casters could use any of their ranged abilities, sleep, slow, or bind
>Melee could use their gap closer
I mean I get it's hard to write a scene where our godly powerful WoL is helpless , but seriously.
You can't save everyone, warrior of light...👹
Except literally every class could have.
Radz At Han got pretty dark it needed one more push and it probably would have legitimately demoralized me. So much was going so wrong and so rapidly. We thought we were prepared, that we were strong, but the Final Days was a very insurmountable threat that needed to be ended more directly than trying to mitigate the damage globally. It was rough.
then there was the very end....watching everyone one by one vanish before your eyes....
only for us to after getting everyone back..."Push the Button", the button that to this day still annoys Alisaie
I felt the same. The death of the merchant's son and the Satrap shook me and Matsya was the final straw for me. The relief that overtook me right after with Estinien just made me legitimately sink into my chair.
I wished Endwalker would have shown more of the Final Days and the chaos it was causing.
@@924252chongsir
I believe that the story did a good job of showing how insurmountable the threat was and that there was no way we could go about doing it "alone" so to speak doing like a dungeon or trial at a time. It had to be dealt with more directly.
You summarised my feelings SO well. Everything was legitimately going sooo badly and we had no idea what was even causing it. Zodiark's gone!! What the hell ELSE is there!? And so we found out...
@@justrosie7521 Sort of reminds you Zodiark was the thing the Ancients made to prevent the calamity. We never really know what caused the Final Days until after... we didn't even ask the question really. We pulled out the drain in the tub basically.
Can't be a proper anime protagonist if you don't just stand doing fuck all while shit is going down.
JaPAnExPLaiN
Bruh running Sage there reminded me why I stopped doing WHM after the vault
I felt this lol
LOOK AT HOW THEY MASSACRED HIS BOY...
💀💀💀
WoL: It is what it is
“I can shrug this off” 💀
Thank Lalafells for the lack of animated scenes with us interacting
Just another reason to hate their race
The WOL when chaos is going on all around them 🧍♀️
As a Dark Knight main, all I could think was "I could've used Blackest Night on that"
Plunge would be equally effective too.
I mean, Blasphemy or not, you're going to notice an insane guy in an armour jamming a sword into your sides who would most likely follow up with *more* magic.
@@crowdemon_archives Sure... but that wouldn't save anyone. TBN might actually keep people from dying.
As an incredibly lazy spectator person IRL, WoL watching stuff go down whilst moving at the speed of snail is my spirit animal.
Run with the baby!
that bit got me .
LMAO And that's what fanfiction is for.
💀💀💀
As much as I loved the Endwalker story, this scene was definitely a spot of poor writing in an expansion with very excellent writing. I think it stands out a bit more because of that.
They really should have done it more like Tesleen, where we were too far away to help, or make us preoccupied with something else that prevents us to help. I understand the technical reason why we can't do too much in cutscenes, it would be too much workload to personally animate every cutscene for every different job/race, but at least hide that a bit more and make it seem like we're doing more in cutscenes.
Still enjoyed Endwalker a lot and will be excited to see the coming stories.
Very well put!
The moon section ground the story to a complete halt for a few hours but Elpis more than made up for it.
My WoL is a dragoon, when that part happened I was like "Jump! You're a dragoon you can make it! JUMP! JUMP HIM!!"
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GODDD. 🤣🤣🤣 so insane
To be fair he probably owed us a buck or two
That do be true tho
Bro 💀
解釈一致w
Well, not moving enough at bad situations was rather in character since I was Black Mage at this point. But I still could've ...dunno..
Cast?
The excuse I found (for my own WoL's canon) is that while she immediately used her bow instead of running to save the satrap, her arrows couldn't pierce through the blasphemy's skin and she only found out after pulling it away that shooting the eyes injured it.
Otherwise yeah, as a Bard main for this expansion I also yelled at my screen "JUST USE YOUR BOW!!" lol.
My main character as a Dancer:
“Throw your goddamn plates!!”
FOR FUQIN REALLLL
Yeah, this is the part that takes me out of a lot of scenes. I can actively see the devs shrugging because they can't write my character doing on screen action, due to how many potential ways it would need to be animated. So, they either have me do something off screen, pull out my weapon and have another character tell me "No," or I just stand there helplessly staring.
Seriously, that entire segment of Endwalker gave me PTSD due to how disturbing it was and how I KNOW I would have handled key moments better if I was actually in direct control. Instead, I have to sit through this blood fest and just...watch, not even yet understanding WHY any of this is happening. Honestly, for me, Ahewan's death isn't even what stuck with me. It was the boy changing, turning on his dad, and then getting callously trampled by the larger monster.
I play a lot of alts...and I don't know if could actively sit through that scene, like, six more times, without getting upset because my character is being story locked into passivity.
YEAUH!!! That’s what got me too! Man oh man- yikes.
Our characters would of DEFINITELY been able to do something so it was frustrating af
@@tastheresidentartist8010 I'll say, for me at least, finding ways to get the scions & others involved (NPC Duty support, giving them the warding scales, etc.) really helped with my immersion. I finally started to like them all during Heavensward, but was always taken out of it when I suddenly was told to "Go GrAb YoUr AdVeNtUrE bUdDiEs!!"
The orange crystal from Shadowbringers was also a narritive godsend in that department, because not only does it help with pacing (ignoring actual duty wait time of course), it also justifies where 7 other random people come from while also allowing for some cool visual moments.
That said, all of EW's darkness aside, I can't wait for Dawntrail's upbeat vibes.
This part always felt so stupid to me. When you were body swapped you managed to throw your sword in order to stop zenos from hurting your friends but in this instance, you couldn’t do the same. This scene would have worked if the WoL were pinned down or something.
YUS!!! Exactly! Make it like we couldn’t do it. Not just standing around 🤣 it was so awkward
Yeah I thought that part was stupid too. If they animated it so that the monster killed him quickly then it wouldn’t be so damn odd
m8 this is half of the game
IT ISSSSS 🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭
For me, the worst part of the endwalker story was the Nidhana cutscene outside the tower of Zot. "Oh wow, we're escorting this defenceless elephant woman into an enemy lair? Let's walk 1000m behind so something DEFINITELY goes wrong." And ofc, she gets taken while the wol derps around in the background...
That and this cutscene made me not enjoy endwalker as much.
OhmahGahd, that part 🤣 I totally agree, mannnn. Kinda takes you out of the story.
There was zero crying if I remember correctly
Kind of a consequence of being non important characters
Honestly I don’t think anybody important got offed
There was plenty of crying and despair - that's what led to them becoming Blasphemies in the first place.
@@DeltafangEX
In the background, sure. I get despair was the trigger. I just feel the horror of what was happening felt rushed.
In Shadowbringers they really took the time to show you how horrible the situation was with the Sin Eaters and the nigh apocalyptic world the people lived in. Here, it felt rushed and nobody seriously important got offed.
Just my thoughts, dude.
Implying Hydaelyn/Venat isn't important....
@@talancorwell
Yeah, I have a few questions about her…
@@durantes I agree 100%. Everyone beating the game and crying about it… I get it but there was nothing sad or bitter sweet to me or my sister (I watch her play the game) Because Shadowbringers did take it’s time and was way more brutal than endwalker for sure