Price drops on comics, including grails, are expected for two main reasons. First, during the boom, many comics were overpriced. Second, we're currently in a recession, meaning most people have less disposable income for discretionary purchases like comics. If you do have extra cash, now is a great time to buy grails or key issues below market value. However, be prepared to hold onto them for at least five years to see significant returns, once the economy recovers.
That’s only because the collector base has shrunk so small, in a fanbase like pokemon collectors bronze age comics numbers would be considered quite rare
I disagree, but only slightly. As a generalization, your statement rings truthfully. If instead of stating “Anything 25 cents and more” you said “A large majority of books 25 cents and over” you would have my stamp of approval. Think about the rarity of high grade Giant-Size X-Men 1 copies, for example. Such a major key book in square bound format. A 9.8 or even a 9.6 certainly qualifies as a grail to me. That the prices of books from the bronze age and up have fluctuated a great deal doesn’t take away from their grail status in my mind, and I believe most would agree. Golden and Silver Age grails have also fluctuated in recent years. The so called “comic book boom/boon” from 5-7 years ago did some harm to our hobby and the market. Similar to what happened in the 90’s, we had a huge influx of speculators. As time has taught us, speculators are often not collectors. Their departure from the market will always result in an increase in supply and a decrease in demand. The market is still adjusting from this, and we may still see large dips in fmv. The silver lining? It’s a great time to be shopping for that elusive grail!
Wanted to add that there is public sales history for a Malibu Sun 13 9.8 error. The yellow label has a recorded public sale a few years back for over $20k. It’s in the caption of the Heritage listing, and it was a sale on Heritage. It is also on GPA but you have open the search to more than universal labels. I own a 9.8 error so I have an interest in this, but also mentioning simply for the sake of clarity and accuracy. Great video!
Grading has made the “common” seem “uncommon” which creates a perceived value and chase. They’re just mass produced comics, like junk wax cards. Keep them raw.
Spiderman Platinum is rather rare in 9.8. They have a tendency of having a printer crease keeping it out of high grade. Also, the Malibu Sun is prone to staple rust, especially at the centerfold that you wouldn't see in the case.
The modern era is going on almost 50 years now. Out of maybe 80 years total since the first Superman. That’s pretty silly. I think it should be 2000 and up. While the late 80s through 90s should be called the over print era.
Books got so expensive during the comic boom because people had more much more money at their disposal during COVID with all the free money the government was giving out, and investors with big money got into the comic book market as the stock market was faltering. Once the free money dried up, and the investors got back into stocks and other investments, comic book prices started to trend down. Now, collectors are just unwilling and unable to pay the prices we saw during the comic boom, and prices have tumbled back to where they were before the boom.
that 9.8 had a color break in the corner. Very small but there. A 9.8 should have sharp corners, which it does have even with the bent corner. So does the presence of a sharp corner cancel the color break. The mystery of CGC continues.
Not for true comic collectors. The print runs were so low for the early issues, and high-grade copies are even scarcer because many were originally purchased by fans/kids who didn’t protect them. Is Nostalgia a factor? Certainly. But the investment potential is solid, regardless of pop-culture status.
@@alphaomegacomics3550 I’m not going to tell you these comics will increase in value or even hold their current value. The truth is, you bought ‘em cause you like ‘em. They have value to you, and that’s what matters.
Since the boom that drove prices up, US economy has been inconsistent and not good. Comicbooks is a luxury, people dont have to buy them to survive. Most people have been in survival mode for money and jobs. And people with money are more hesitant during these times. Once economy gets better and consistent, comic books, nike shoes, rolex, luxury cars will sell again at high rates. Which brings higher prices. The rich invest when markets are down. Buy low sale high
Automatic Comics,I been collecting comics for over 17 years and got two short boxes and i an just wanting a TMNT#1 3rd print so should i wait or buy it now? If you think i can het s better deal in s few months then i can wait it out.
Talking about rare comic books surely the old pence comics have to come into the Reckoning,does rarity for example Spiderman no1 ( silver age ) not qualify for special handling in terms of value ? - yes i have one probably a 4.5 - 5 grade , always great vidoes from you ,thanks
I'll definitely watch this auction, but 99% of the stuff I'm looking at is GA. I want to see how some SA does, but I'm still hoping those tank more. I agree with the Dave Stevens stuff. I really want a copy of his True Love #1 because I love the 80s and that cover is about as 80s as it gets. lol. I think it's overpriced, but that's just me. There are 133 universal copies of which 89 are 9.8's right now. I think I see one being sold every couple of weeks. A CGC 9.8 recently sold for a lot less than GPA prices. I don't think I'll be looking at the stuff you posted in this video, but it's still interesting to watch the price movement of those things. The psychology is so similar to stock trading except maybe far less liquid. You, Swagglehaus, and COMO need to do one of those shows where you guys cover the auctions. That's some of the best stuff you guys do. Maybe Swag will figure out how to decorate his new geek cave by then. Great video with useful general information.
Shoot, you skipped talking about my book😩. Mine was the Spider-man 1 CBCS 9.8 Copper Lizard variant and was very curious what you would say about it. None have ever sold so had no idea what it might go for.
I unloaded all of my X-Men books. Wish I would've done it a year or two ago. Probably cost myself around 10k but oh well at least I'm no left holding the bag.
They were a very well done independent comic, brutal and violent. Initially intended for mature readers, though young teens certainly jumped on early. Once they sold out and the cartoon/toy market got ahold of the copyright, things changed rather quickly.
Why do you keep saying that if you can afford a high dollar comic you don't care about the price. I find that kind of generalization of people with money is offensive.
Feel like you’re really reaching there for a reason to be offended. But if you’re spending $100k on a comic, your life is probably very minimally impacted by it dropping by $10-20k. Also, I didn’t say they don’t care about price, so if you’re going to quote me, please get it right. I said that it probably wouldn’t matter all that much if it dropped in price. And if you’re spending $100k on a comic and it dropping $10-20k does really hurt you, you shouldn’t be buying that comic.
lol, you are really really trying to be offended huh? I’m talking about expensive books in this video. So it’s rich people that are going to buy them. I’d say the same thing about a less expensive book if I was talking about those.
In my experience, people with that kind of liquid capital care about every dime. If you ask them why be frugal when you have so much, they will often reply that frugality is the reason they have so much.
Price drops on comics, including grails, are expected for two main reasons. First, during the boom, many comics were overpriced. Second, we're currently in a recession, meaning most people have less disposable income for discretionary purchases like comics. If you do have extra cash, now is a great time to buy grails or key issues below market value. However, be prepared to hold onto them for at least five years to see significant returns, once the economy recovers.
are you in Canada? the US is not in a recession.
@@botherguts1448 lmaoooo ok keep drinking the kool aid that we're not in one.
The books I want are still expensive, the books that I purchased during the comic boom have decreased significantly. 😭
Anything 25 cents and more cover price shouldn't really be considered a true Grail they're just so common even in high grade
That’s only because the collector base has shrunk so small, in a fanbase like pokemon collectors bronze age comics numbers would be considered quite rare
I disagree, but only slightly. As a generalization, your statement rings truthfully. If instead of stating “Anything 25 cents and more” you said “A large majority of books 25 cents and over” you would have my stamp of approval. Think about the rarity of high grade Giant-Size X-Men 1 copies, for example. Such a major key book in square bound format. A 9.8 or even a 9.6 certainly qualifies as a grail to me.
That the prices of books from the bronze age and up have fluctuated a great deal doesn’t take away from their grail status in my mind, and I believe most would agree. Golden and Silver Age grails have also fluctuated in recent years. The so called “comic book boom/boon” from 5-7 years ago did some harm to our hobby and the market. Similar to what happened in the 90’s, we had a huge influx of speculators. As time has taught us, speculators are often not collectors. Their departure from the market will always result in an increase in supply and a decrease in demand. The market is still adjusting from this, and we may still see large dips in fmv.
The silver lining? It’s a great time to be shopping for that elusive grail!
maybe w the exception of some independent "keys", w their smaller print runs,...
Wanted to add that there is public sales history for a Malibu Sun 13 9.8 error.
The yellow label has a recorded public sale a few years back for over $20k.
It’s in the caption of the Heritage listing, and it was a sale on Heritage. It is also on GPA but you have open the search to more than universal labels.
I own a 9.8 error so I have an interest in this, but also mentioning simply for the sake of clarity and accuracy.
Great video!
More like Modern Grails are dropping. Silver age and golden are still very expensive
Grading has made the “common” seem “uncommon” which creates a perceived value and chase. They’re just mass produced comics, like junk wax cards. Keep them raw.
The Djurdjević is the epitome of the comic boom 💯 It will be very interesting to see those two hammer prices
Who is buying all these mega grails? Movie stars?
downey jr and nicholas cage
Spiderman Platinum is rather rare in 9.8. They have a tendency of having a printer crease keeping it out of high grade. Also, the Malibu Sun is prone to staple rust, especially at the centerfold that you wouldn't see in the case.
until you find a fake copy or swapped out one.
The modern era is going on almost 50 years now. Out of maybe 80 years total since the first Superman. That’s pretty silly. I think it should be 2000 and up.
While the late 80s through 90s should be called the over print era.
Why not the Copper Age? It’s already widely accepted, and there are plenty of books that do not qualify as “over-printed”
the overprint era,...good name ha!
Too much good stuff between this auction, comic Link and comic Connect. I wish they would spread their signature auctions out a bit.
For sure. They always seem to go back to back.
I’m calling 20k on Malibu son 13 error… also I like your new take on your predictions… it ends where it ends… can’t say until it ends…
18k popped into my head
@@matthewmarlin7566 maybe around 21k is more accurate… that’s what I would pay…
Books got so expensive during the comic boom because people had more much more money at their disposal during COVID with all the free money the government was giving out, and investors with big money got into the comic book market as the stock market was faltering. Once the free money dried up, and the investors got back into stocks and other investments, comic book prices started to trend down. Now, collectors are just unwilling and unable to pay the prices we saw during the comic boom, and prices have tumbled back to where they were before the boom.
Who was the government giving money to?
@@jjdillon1207 Stimulus money during COVID.
@@thomaspalmer6453 $700 one time payment?
that 9.8 had a color break in the corner. Very small but there. A 9.8 should have sharp corners, which it does have even with the bent corner. So does the presence of a sharp corner cancel the color break. The mystery of CGC continues.
TMNT has faded out in pop culture, now it's only a nostalgia book for collectors
Not for true comic collectors. The print runs were so low for the early issues, and high-grade copies are even scarcer because many were originally purchased by fans/kids who didn’t protect them. Is Nostalgia a factor? Certainly. But the investment potential is solid, regardless of pop-culture status.
@@alphaomegacomics3550 I’m not going to tell you these comics will increase in value or even hold their current value. The truth is, you bought ‘em cause you like ‘em. They have value to you, and that’s what matters.
I hope so 🙏
Since the boom that drove prices up, US economy has been inconsistent and not good. Comicbooks is a luxury, people dont have to buy them to survive. Most people have been in survival mode for money and jobs. And people with money are more hesitant during these times. Once economy gets better and consistent, comic books, nike shoes, rolex, luxury cars will sell again at high rates. Which brings higher prices. The rich invest when markets are down. Buy low sale high
People always point to Covid and free money ok maybe a little but what people had an abundance of was to much down time.
Automatic Comics,I been collecting comics for over 17 years and got two short boxes and i an just wanting a TMNT#1 3rd print so should i wait or buy it now? If you think i can het s better deal in s few months then i can wait it out.
Hey Ryan I just had a thought, what if CGC graded Stan Lee signatures. A little out there but wouldn't that be cool?
I seem to
Always get a 9.2 for the slightest corner crease
40k for that ultimate fallout . Who ever bought that book even there grand kids wont live long enough to see a return on it .
😎🇺🇸
Talking about rare comic books surely the old pence comics have to come into the Reckoning,does rarity for example Spiderman no1 ( silver age ) not qualify for special handling in terms of value ? - yes i have one probably a 4.5 - 5 grade , always great vidoes from you ,thanks
I sold my ultimate fallout 4 djurdjevic 9.4 for 14k lol market was insane. I don't even think it's worth the current market price.
Agree with everything said
Oh yeah, David said he was going to sell it on Heritage Auctions and get some of that F-U stupid money. 💲💲💲💲 lol.
Hopefully as comics aren’t shares, they are old stories , never spent a $ speculator & CGC poop
I'll definitely watch this auction, but 99% of the stuff I'm looking at is GA. I want to see how some SA does, but I'm still hoping those tank more. I agree with the Dave Stevens stuff. I really want a copy of his True Love #1 because I love the 80s and that cover is about as 80s as it gets. lol. I think it's overpriced, but that's just me. There are 133 universal copies of which 89 are 9.8's right now. I think I see one being sold every couple of weeks. A CGC 9.8 recently sold for a lot less than GPA prices. I don't think I'll be looking at the stuff you posted in this video, but it's still interesting to watch the price movement of those things. The psychology is so similar to stock trading except maybe far less liquid. You, Swagglehaus, and COMO need to do one of those shows where you guys cover the auctions. That's some of the best stuff you guys do. Maybe Swag will figure out how to decorate his new geek cave by then. Great video with useful general information.
Remarques on comic books are stupid! It just RUINS the clean look of the cover imo!
and ive seen some artists do some sloppy work on them...
You missed the chromium Spidey 1
Shoot, you skipped talking about my book😩. Mine was the Spider-man 1 CBCS 9.8 Copper Lizard variant and was very curious what you would say about it. None have ever sold so had no idea what it might go for.
I unloaded all of my X-Men books. Wish I would've done it a year or two ago. Probably cost myself around 10k but oh well at least I'm no left holding the bag.
Was Albedo #2 ever reprinted? TMNT #1 has so many reprints
Off topic, what did you think about the new Alien movie?
Thought it was great. Had me tensed up the entire time they were on the station.
So silly
Every collection is going to keep dropping. If you’re a seller who didn’t sell in 2020-2022, you’re holding the bag for the next decade or two. Sorry
I thought usagi yojimbo is known as a great comic and the ninja turtles are just known as a stupid cartoon
They were a very well done independent comic, brutal and violent. Initially intended for mature readers, though young teens certainly jumped on early. Once they sold out and the cartoon/toy market got ahold of the copyright, things changed rather quickly.
Why do you keep saying that if you can afford a high dollar comic you don't care about the price. I find that kind of generalization of people with money is offensive.
Feel like you’re really reaching there for a reason to be offended. But if you’re spending $100k on a comic, your life is probably very minimally impacted by it dropping by $10-20k.
Also, I didn’t say they don’t care about price, so if you’re going to quote me, please get it right. I said that it probably wouldn’t matter all that much if it dropped in price.
And if you’re spending $100k on a comic and it dropping $10-20k does really hurt you, you shouldn’t be buying that comic.
With that logic a person who can afford a $300 his life won't be affected by a $50 drop either. So why pick on the rich.people .@@AutomaticComics
lol, you are really really trying to be offended huh? I’m talking about expensive books in this video. So it’s rich people that are going to buy them. I’d say the same thing about a less expensive book if I was talking about those.
In my experience, people with that kind of liquid capital care about every dime. If you ask them why be frugal when you have so much, they will often reply that frugality is the reason they have so much.