mainstream fashion and trend adaptation

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  • @samranda
    @samranda 2 роки тому +102

    i often feel hypocritical about the fact that i think to myself “yeah, i dress for myself, i don’t really care about trends” but what i’m really saying is “yeah, i dress for the approval of 200 people rather than 2 million” and trend-follow that smaller, more niche group accordingly

    • @dorisblok
      @dorisblok Рік тому +13

      I recognize this! for me, this was part of the general realization that you are never the only one in the world who does/feels/thinks something. there are always others who are similar to you, because it's only human things you experience, not some alien stuff that came falling from the sky.

    • @Ella-yn3mi
      @Ella-yn3mi Рік тому

      i dress for myself but myself seeks approval from a very specific group of people

  • @Larainge
    @Larainge 2 роки тому +249

    Pinterest helps people develop fashion schemas, which is mostly only good for people who have don't have any sense of fashion, but it harms you after a certain point. Like you said, it basically become stale because everyone is looking at the same things.

    • @Androgynary
      @Androgynary 2 роки тому +35

      Yeah, that’s why I mainly use Pinterest to pin my own images that I find from a variety of sources to hone my personal style vs looking at the algorithm or someone else’s curated board to influence me

    • @adelelukss
      @adelelukss 2 роки тому +7

      no exactly like i now spend time looking at my fave brands/fashionable ppl and pin the stuff they're wearing or something similar

  • @Androgynary
    @Androgynary 2 роки тому +300

    “Even if you don’t care about fashion you’re still automatically always signaling…there’s nothing you can wear that isn’t saying something”
    always love how articulate the sociology of fashion, professor rian

  • @m4rie4nge
    @m4rie4nge Рік тому +8

    with the y2k convo:
    this is why some people simply don’t understand that pinkpantheress and her style is so true to y2k cause she’s dressing like somebody’s teenage older sister from 2005 rather than dress like specific films + celebs, MVs from then

  • @mauve9266
    @mauve9266 Рік тому +56

    I love that u highlighted how ppl can transgress against the mainstream for just wanting to appear unique as opposed to it actually relating to some form of true ‘authenticity.’ Someone dressing like a super niche transgressive aesthetic could be just as ‘inauthentic’ as someone dressing in mainstream y2k. I’d say neither is inherently bad as far as authenticity is concerned, obviously there are other reasons to dress a certain way, but I think sometimes we have this idea that the more niche or unique someone’s whatever (music, fashion etc.) appears to be, the more authentic it is when sometimes it’s just a more finely crafted performance of authenticity.

  • @its-sirap
    @its-sirap 2 роки тому +72

    u kinda injected optimism into the idea that we cannot escape or get out from fashion as a way of relating, and that is very impressive. thank u

  • @donnyauguston2118
    @donnyauguston2118 2 роки тому +107

    i live in a rural-ish town in the south and i think about how much social consequence there is from what i wear in public, but what i wear in public has also made it easy to find out who else is a vibe and friends have been made from it. thanks for putting what i thought into words!

  • @gaiaq2830
    @gaiaq2830 Рік тому +5

    8:03 I would argue that nowadays it’s the reverse. When a trend is born on tik tok its mostly young middle class people participating in it. Once it starts to get popular young influencers and later celebrities start to pick up on it which leads the original participants to abandon the trend so as to not be associated with its over saturation and newly found “basic” status.

  • @bri7734
    @bri7734 2 роки тому +48

    i’m currently reading “in spirituality and art” by wassily kandinsky and he describes something extremely similar to what you’re saying about the people who appeal to more masses have less real impact (he calls this a spiritual point) vs the people who create riskier art that only a smaller group will understand but the ones who do understand have a bigger connection to it. he also explains that art that is only created for nostalgic purposes is useless and hollow since it strips away the actual context for why it was created at that time in the first place. it relates so much to the current trends and fashion of today.
    also trend bubbles created by algorithms is something people are completely in denial about for some reason. idk if it’s lack of internet literacy or just their way of coping that their “style” is really just based on what’s been fed to them. some ppl will fight tooth and nail to defend their right to be blindly marketed to.

  • @rhyme7742
    @rhyme7742 2 роки тому +13

    something else about fashion is that you are not just signally to other people but also to yourself. when you prepare yourself to face the world you construct an outward appearance in the aim of receiving specific reactions & interactions from certain groups of people, but you also are doing so to provide yourself emotion & psychological support in your endeavours into society/interactions. fashion and self expression are comforting and provide individuals not only with a sense of belonging but also a sense of self.

  • @DayManAHHHah
    @DayManAHHHah 2 роки тому +64

    I’ve followed you on Tumblr for years and years and something you said about fashion somewhere in those years and years ago has ALWAYS stuck with me.
    You said that you love wearing things because they’re funny. Like sometimes something is just silly or weird or kinda ugly even but it’s just.. funny, and that’s the best way to describe it, you said. I immediately realized I do the exact same thing! I loooove wearing some random ass thing, maybe it’s just “dumb,” but I do it because it’s just funny to me.

  • @adellabosey5337
    @adellabosey5337 2 роки тому +29

    I think Pinterest is only good to use when you have a curated personal style, not to find one. If you use it to find one you can easily find yourself latching on to a mainstream trend and next thing you know you don’t like your wardrobe a few years later. I have my style figured out (somewhat lol) and only use the app to outfit ideas (and because it’s fun to use).

    • @gnat5278
      @gnat5278 2 роки тому +1

      exactly! i think it is designed to be easy to latch onto, the shop feature is heavily pushed on pinterest and every comment section is filled with “where did you buy ___?”
      i also think it’s just fun, i love using the algorithm to find content similar to my own pictures for ideas!

  • @daukho
    @daukho 2 роки тому +54

    21:00 it's amazing that you compared it to christianity. There's a religion sociologist named Christian Smith who wrote at lengths about the creation of subculture and how signifiers such as fashion, dress, language creates in groups and out groups. His theory could be applied to any subgroup, but he wrote mostly about evangelical Christians. Love that you were able to come up with the same points as him and even gave a Christian example.

    • @RianPhin
      @RianPhin  2 роки тому +5

      WOW thank you for sharing

  • @clutchedpearl
    @clutchedpearl 2 роки тому +12

    You get it!!! I’ve just entered retail and I have to dress a certain way at work and I’m realizing I HATE IT bc I have to CONFORM and it’s so LIMITING. I live for dressing IRONICALLY

  • @noorarahman8974
    @noorarahman8974 2 роки тому +18

    i can't tell you how much i appreciate the way you articulate it's like our brains are made out of the same exact puzzle

  • @willowg7249
    @willowg7249 2 роки тому +8

    rian BIG BRAIN phin

  • @bonismurf
    @bonismurf 2 роки тому +35

    im an older lady(born in 1979)was a teenager during the ninetees and love the nostalgia feelings that come with the Era fashion also ,seeing them re interpretated ,mixed and added on ... this is such an interesting video,thank you Rian!

    • @hbdhbd6611
      @hbdhbd6611 2 роки тому

      my issue is that they're bringing the style back and not the quality. clothing should be beautiful inside and out...

  • @blancaaaestela
    @blancaaaestela 2 роки тому +14

    This video was so excellently researched and explained. Totally get it. It’s why I’ve moved away from using P*interest to build style boards - that algorithm is heinous! It’s showing the same regurgitated aesthetic over and over and there’s no longer a pool diverse influences and interests to curate.

  • @SaturdaySupermodel
    @SaturdaySupermodel 2 роки тому +3

    I love the way her thinking process works

  • @yvngchildsupport9523
    @yvngchildsupport9523 2 роки тому +22

    amazing video!!! i feel like social media overloads us with so much fashion based inspiration making it much harder to dig into and care about a specific subculture. we see so many different people adopting so many different aesthetics on a daily basis, now honing in on one type of wardrobe doesn’t hold as much social capital as trend hoping.

    • @niyaxm03
      @niyaxm03 2 роки тому +6

      or, maybe ppl just like multiple things at one time and don't want to limit themselves...

  • @hbdhbd6611
    @hbdhbd6611 2 роки тому +3

    15:50 i've found that watching video diaries and looking at yearbooks from that year helps to see what's "authentic"

  • @arielhill5711
    @arielhill5711 Рік тому +1

    ahh you really bring some serious depth and intellect to fashion and I love it! Thank you for expanding my perspective on this

  • @genie1334
    @genie1334 2 роки тому +5

    I GAINED SO MANY BRAIN CELLS FROM THIS VIDEO. thanks.

  • @FreeTheColonized
    @FreeTheColonized Рік тому +4

    I used to love literal communication with fashion like that one shirt that reads “roses are red doritos are savory. The US prison system is legal slavery” that type of thing was my jam lmao

    • @FreeTheColonized
      @FreeTheColonized Рік тому +1

      A lot of black owned brands have adopted the saying on a shirt format too

  • @tylerwilliams7161
    @tylerwilliams7161 2 роки тому +3

    Bro, Rian, THANK YOU for putting me BACK on track. Lord being around these self conscious ass muggles r had me dressing like a Steven

  • @AcidNymph
    @AcidNymph 2 роки тому +16

    This is so interesting! I guess I’ve somewhat been partaking in this without really knowing? Like I often search for brands my mum would have worn in the 2000s. They are often much more affordable as they aren’t really ‘high fashion’ per say but more so off the market now - so perhaps rarer? It’s odd to think that I am somewhat morphing into her in a way but I suppose it’s just me growing into her tastes and admiring them as she did and still does…

  • @kellgg
    @kellgg 2 роки тому +6

    girl you are so smart. I always love hearing your take on fashion. this is a great video, makes me think a lot

  • @beadsandivorykeys
    @beadsandivorykeys 2 роки тому +5

    What if I know how I want to be decoded, but don’t know what to encode my dress/grooming to create those signifiers?

    • @nenee009
      @nenee009 2 роки тому +5

      Just follow your intuition and do research. Also, even when you do that ppl are gonna interpret it differently

    • @ariesmry
      @ariesmry 2 роки тому +4

      Don’t overthink it. There is still a utilitarian purpose of clothing and clothing only reflects a portion of what you identify as. If you lean into the things you enjoy and value, you’ll naturally start to choose clothing that facilitate that activity and/or create styles that signify it. That’s the main difference between personal style and wearing a costume. If you’re mostly concerned with how people will decode you, you’re likely looking for a costume.

  • @Daydreamroses
    @Daydreamroses 2 роки тому +7

    You articulated how I interpret fashion but could never ever express because I don’t have the critical thinking skills lol. I loved this video even though I’m not fashionable at all I like to pretend I would be if I wasn’t lazy lol. Love your videos! 😊

    • @TheBeadlesForever
      @TheBeadlesForever Місяць тому

      If that’s how you interpreted fashion then you do have the critical thinking skills! You can have excellent critical thinking skills but might find it difficult to articulate your thoughts and so many ppl can relate! Don’t sell yourself short :)

  • @Orbitinbloom19018
    @Orbitinbloom19018 2 роки тому +7

    I think from all fashion videos ive seen ive learnt most from u rian, im really glad creators like u exist. I also love the way u dont look down upon the ( out group ) because they are not inherently bad people for not understanding a reference, how silly even is that concept

  • @now.here.01
    @now.here.01 2 роки тому +4

    im not on tiktok so i am always excited to see you uploaded a new video.. rly makes me think!! ty

  • @understitchYT
    @understitchYT 2 роки тому +5

    I can't believe I'm just now finding your channel, I really loved hearing you talk intelligently on fashion trends. I'm about to check out your other videos, but I loved your comparison to religious groups and how the fashion world similarly gets super niche and cult-y (When I say cult, Its the sense of being a group of people with common beliefs, not necessarily in the religious context) when you get further down the rabbit hole. Loved the video

  • @arielhill5711
    @arielhill5711 Рік тому +2

    I saw an interview recently with julia roberts discussing her unshaved armpit hair. She said it was absolutely her way of signaling. People who were grossed out by it or didn't understand it simply weren't here people and it was an easy and effective way to weed them out.

  • @dummysick_8117
    @dummysick_8117 2 роки тому +2

    I am so happy to finally see you back on youtube as I have a problem using tiktok as I fall into the tt rabbit hole and become glued to my phone so I deinstalled the app.

  • @nehla47
    @nehla47 2 роки тому +7

    I'm 22 minutes into the lecture while working, and I just think this is a great video essay. Definitely gonna look up the books you name dropped :)

  • @Edmino14
    @Edmino14 2 роки тому +3

    dude i’ve been following you on twitter for a while and i’ve always loved your insight, but damn this is amazing! Your analysis is so in depth but easy to follow, and your knowledge pool is insanely deep! Thanks for the vid!

  • @earth2bitchez
    @earth2bitchez 2 місяці тому

    Im obsessed with watching ur videos such a refreshing and new outlook for me i think this could change my life

  • @heater3043
    @heater3043 2 роки тому +8

    Do you have a patreon ? I’d pay to hear more of ur commentary / analysis

  • @user-ji4fe7zq6m
    @user-ji4fe7zq6m 2 роки тому +6

    i'm glad you're back! been watching a lot of fashion content lately and felt that smth was missing

  • @ProspectorSaloon
    @ProspectorSaloon 2 роки тому +2

    Rian!!! So nice to see you again. This is a great video, I learned a lot!

  • @madisoncontroversial7348
    @madisoncontroversial7348 2 роки тому +2

    I learned so much about fashion in this video, than any Tik Tok content I’ve consumed

  • @wearlucinda
    @wearlucinda 2 роки тому +4

    thanks professor ✍✍✍ going straight to Flickr to search "2005 friend" lol

  • @jasmina808
    @jasmina808 2 роки тому +2

    Oh my god, I remember you from the good ole Tumblr days lol. I randomly scrolled past this video and I recognized your face immediately. Great video 💖

  • @lorinadana1725
    @lorinadana1725 Рік тому +1

    wait this is so true. I love to dress 90s, early 00s but i dont mean the mainstream fashion at that time but more 'alternative'. I try to find authentic 90s clothes but its pretty hard to do so bc most thats sold in secondhand shops is the mainstream fashion or the modern take on it. Love the vid!

  • @CeCe1066
    @CeCe1066 2 роки тому +6

    Holy crap what a well researched and well explained video!! Love your explanations so much, especially the part about the signaling and the social hierarchies we make in our heads when we think of fashion and style. For the longest time I was too scared to wear anything outside my comfort zone, which was just the basics so basic tops and jeans. Nothing wrong with good basics either btw, but I only wore those cuz I was too anxious to wear anything else and explore/create my personal sense of style. As u said, there’s a vulnerability with fashion since whatever ur wearing is signaling something. So if you put intention behind what you wear, or make it seem like you put intention, you signals that you care to everyone around you. And thats scarier than wearing something with the intention to signal that you don’t care.
    Now, I’m trying to make an active effort to dress how I want, and a lot of it is a mix of Pinterest, depop, and instagram, so lots of social media just being shoved down my throat lol. While I’m happy I no longer feel super anxious about wearing these different styles, I also worry that I’m not putting as much of my own personality into it. But I genuinely love seeing everyone’s outfits on my campus and around town since it shows parts of their personality and what type of media they consume/are inspired by.
    Anywho, I loved this video and think fashion/style is so fun and is a beautiful form of self expression. Also I will definitely be on the lookout for more videos from u😆

  • @DianaB-vm1hj
    @DianaB-vm1hj 2 роки тому +2

    omg new Rian Phin video??!? let's absolutely go

  • @misguidedghost
    @misguidedghost 2 роки тому +4

    My favorite UA-camr/educator has updated!!! So happy that I get to learn and think about things from your perspective (:

  • @ChociMilki
    @ChociMilki 2 роки тому +2

    Yes girl these are some big ass thoughts thanks for creating this channel!

  • @yohme
    @yohme 2 роки тому +2

    I will say personally I’ve found a lot of value in Pinterest but primarily as a way to aggregate and collect media from other online spaces I might visit. Like I think it’s so powerful that interesting images I see on tumblr can live alongside runway looks I saved from like vogue or smth.
    As for discovery however while I agree the algorithm is like a vehicle for an uncanny sameness I rly think there’s hope for it if somehow users became more active and started bringing content into Pinterest themselves instead of using it as a primary source. Bc then not only would u be expanding what other users can also see by diversifying the site content - but the algorithm can also get a better idea of personal tastes by analyzing third party content u save that doesn’t already exist on the site
    This was a rly great video!!!!

  • @june_keke
    @june_keke 2 роки тому +2

    21:53 it's the cerulean blue effect. it's not just stuff...

  • @sabrinapugs
    @sabrinapugs 2 роки тому +3

    Yesss a day I don’t have to rewatch your old content 😂 always appreciate your long form thoughts!

  • @masegomorgan
    @masegomorgan 2 роки тому +3

    I love watching your TikToks but I've really missed these long-form videos

  • @TheVillainousTaco
    @TheVillainousTaco 2 роки тому +3

    I love this video rian!! would love to continue seeing content like this :) ty

  • @HeavenTaylorWynn
    @HeavenTaylorWynn 2 роки тому +1

    I would totally purchase a fashion curriculum from you

  • @aylind.9672
    @aylind.9672 2 роки тому +5

    love this video so much! Must be one of the most relevant videos I watched on fashion. It will definitely make me consider more fashion choices and others with a different understanding. It's funny how a lot of this stuff is also reflected in other cultural parts of our society and as you also already mentioned linguistics.

  • @Tessal0es
    @Tessal0es 2 роки тому +2

    i really like seeing you in a longer format!! thank you for uploading ill be following you

  • @chee8572
    @chee8572 2 роки тому +3

    Ooh- I find myself wanting to argue with what you're saying about the use of algorithms but I think I agree with you more than a disagree. And its funny because these are my exact thoughts day to day, but hearing it deconstructed outloud I find myself wanting to play devils advocate lol. I want to say pi*terest (i see we're censoring it so I will respect it lol) is the lesser of many popular evils and it satisfies than inherent need to look at "easily pretty/cool" things while still finding things that take a little longer to appreciate/ understand. I don't know if I personally will ever do away with "easy media" so long as I'm not using it as a crutch and it interferes with my artistic development. But who's to say we wouldn't all be better off not looking at any of it, and going back to slower forms of media consumption like magazines, movies, streetfashion. I think it all goes back to awareness. And I think its so awesome you're making a point to bring it to people's attention who may not consider the impact of what they consume day to day at all. It has nothing to do with policing fashion, and all to do with personal development. I hope this discussion reaches far!

  • @geminilullabies
    @geminilullabies 2 роки тому +2

    im so happy u appeared on my suggested. i had no idea u had a yt channel, i follow u on tiktok n im obsessed w the kind of content u make n the kinds of topics within fashion u talk ab pls never stop i love it allll ♡

  • @Tiramisu71
    @Tiramisu71 Рік тому +1

    The 2016 take on y2k was way different from how it is interpreted now. I remember only seeing Matrix-like techno outfits being tagged as y2k on depop, social media. Maybe because only a few years ago, we still used "y2k" in its original meaning

  • @littletinyegg
    @littletinyegg Рік тому

    Omg the black rubber wristbands!!

  • @darkpurplegoldroses
    @darkpurplegoldroses 2 роки тому +1

    Just discovered your channel! Excellent content! Subscribed!🔥🔥

  • @ruthnk6575
    @ruthnk6575 2 роки тому +2

    thank you for the content grandpa phin 🤲🏾

  • @gebiss1
    @gebiss1 Рік тому

    I really appreciate this discourse. you are brilliant 🤍

  • @flower-ld5id
    @flower-ld5id 2 роки тому +1

    I just wrote a three paragraph comment in my notes long story short great video such an interesting topic that I think about all the time - how we relate to the past and how that gets commodified but that's just one angle really

  • @starylize
    @starylize 2 роки тому +2

    THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. I WAS HOPING YOU’D MAKE A LONGFORM VIDEO ON THIS TOPIC !!! i missed your youtube uploads :)

  • @OwnD1
    @OwnD1 2 роки тому +1

    This video was amazing. So many points you’ve covered that I can’t write in a single comment. Please make more videos, subbed

  • @mythicmushrooms
    @mythicmushrooms Рік тому

    Thank you for breaking this down into dope lil bites!

  • @servidig483
    @servidig483 2 роки тому +1

    Uniqueness will become the ultimate trend

  • @LooksByNaheemah
    @LooksByNaheemah 2 роки тому +2

    I just want to continue to highlight that just because something is now deemed "mainstream" doesn't mean that its inauthentic.

  • @lisetteblogs
    @lisetteblogs 2 роки тому +1

    Rian this was so well researched and explained I had so much fun watching this thank u thank u for sharing!!

  • @Merrybandoruffians
    @Merrybandoruffians 2 роки тому +1

    As someone who was an og alt girl in the 00s, I see, recognize appreciate y’all’s niche fashion references.

  • @TaliaOutwrong
    @TaliaOutwrong 2 роки тому +1

    YOU HAVE TO GO THERE BY WALKING

  • @ALVD0
    @ALVD0 2 роки тому +2

    Rian: people who choose to be in these fashion and styling spaces
    Me: *hits bowl* isn't that everyone and everywhere since we all wear clothes all the time

  • @molliesreading6629
    @molliesreading6629 2 роки тому +2

    your videos are so good and so lifechanging thank you so much for all you've done for my understanding of fashion and its impact

  • @mochimochi6357
    @mochimochi6357 2 роки тому +1

    omg im so happy to see tht u have a yt channel

  • @tylerwilliams7161
    @tylerwilliams7161 2 роки тому +1

    Alssoooo I could just send u this on IG but this really made me think about a paper I’m reading titled posthumanist performativity: toward an understanding of how matter comes to matter. Prob not the most connected to this video but think it would be cool to circle back to what you’re saying once I finish it. So far it’s speaking about the limitations of language we attach to objects. Ok bye

  • @syd1982
    @syd1982 Рік тому

    This is a rly interesting video & very well put !!

  • @campjessdesigns
    @campjessdesigns 2 роки тому

    it’s the way i used WATCH ALL YOUR VIDS in high school

  • @paigeh98341
    @paigeh98341 2 роки тому

    yes the authentic fisherman are really out here!!

  • @drill6739
    @drill6739 2 роки тому +1

    ily..... fashion social theory is so interesting no ones doing it like Rian asf🙇‍♀️

  • @arielmckenna
    @arielmckenna 2 роки тому +1

    this was such a treat

  • @mariaatter5223
    @mariaatter5223 2 роки тому

    this video is amazing and you are the greatest! thank u for this

  • @hannahread3474
    @hannahread3474 2 роки тому

    so gladddd you did another yt vid !

  • @80apocryphal13
    @80apocryphal13 Рік тому

    I have no idea who you are but this made me subscribe.

  • @lauren8707
    @lauren8707 2 роки тому

    i love your content sm

  • @mlove1257
    @mlove1257 2 роки тому

    I learned so much from this video thank you! ❤️

  • @csk1452
    @csk1452 2 роки тому

    Please come out with a podcast

  • @eeeyooohoh
    @eeeyooohoh 2 роки тому

    always so happy to see you!

  • @IMETGODSHEBLACK
    @IMETGODSHEBLACK 2 роки тому +2

    AAAAAHHHHH YOUVE BEEN MISSED 🤎✨

  • @Whyldhnnni
    @Whyldhnnni 2 роки тому +2

    I remember when the internet was dweeby

  • @dreaminactive
    @dreaminactive 2 роки тому +1

    thanks for the education 📝🤓

  • @michellenia
    @michellenia 2 роки тому

    i love hearing you speak

  • @sahzayaramesses4769
    @sahzayaramesses4769 2 роки тому

    I hope u write a book one day 😫

  • @shae121314
    @shae121314 2 роки тому

    meme culture is so interesting!!

  • @thelivingimpaired
    @thelivingimpaired 7 місяців тому

    Avril lavigne such a real one

  • @ariseandshineforhim
    @ariseandshineforhim 2 роки тому

    Oh my god boy do you looks just like Ravyn Lenae

  • @jordanalexanderwood
    @jordanalexanderwood 2 роки тому

    thank you for this video

  • @drill6739
    @drill6739 2 роки тому

    can u post ur tiktoks in ur shorts on here i don’t want to re dl tiktok😭

  • @noahbentton
    @noahbentton 4 місяці тому

    esoteric yum

    • @noahbentton
      @noahbentton 4 місяці тому

      beautiful video. just so so brilliant your knowledge and passion for fashion but humanity in general is so inspiring and worthy of praise and thankfulness like ur so itttttt like yesss!! love it

  • @kyleysneed
    @kyleysneed 2 роки тому

    Thank. You. Prof rian