Wargaming should follow bar rules: No politics, no religion. People are just there to have fun and enjoy their hobby, if it doesn't affect the game, keep it to yourself.
Wait.... we can't make broad brush statements? I always thought that the Republicans stood for Hitler, the Democrats stood for Stalin, and Warhammer 40k people stood in long lines for new models!
I always kinda felt the UK Tories were closer to the US Democrats. I'd be interested to hear North's examples of where Republican and Labour policies converge though because as far as I can tell even centrist Labour are basically communists as far as the GOP are concerned.
"Natalie vs SS Guy" should be remade as a slapstick comedy series where she tries everything to get him killed but with hilarious consequences with every blunder rolled :D
Just FYI, the SS weren't elite - the SS were a paramilitary organisation parallel to the armed forces (the Wehrmacht) and were the armed wing of the Nazi Party. Some individual units were "elite" and some were little better than conscripts (indeed, many were conscripts). The myth that they were elite units stemmed from the fact that in order to join the SS you had to be racially "pure" and in Nazi propaganda these units were portrayed as comprising supermen who couldn't be defeated. This proved to be somewhat inaccurate.
Thank you! So tired of hearing the ww2 baddies propaganda still being spouted out this many years later. The Wermacht was the home of WW 2 Germanys most elite units. Only a few SS divisions even fought on par with the average wermacht unit and those were generally heavy tank units. The SS were just snazzy dressers and great propagandists. Piss poor soldiers over all.
But one thing, you really described the SS, however the Waffen SS was the fighting arm of the SS. The SS was paramilitary but the Waffen SS were generally at least “professional” soldiers if also savages and animals. Everything else you said, spot on.
I have a general rule. I dont care or hate a random person's opinion of politics, as long as it's not... crazy. If it comes up when it's appropriate, fine. I'll talk about anything after a game with friends. But if you're someone compelled to bring it up. All the time. Inappropriately. Without provocation. Goodbye. Don't care if I agree with you or not.
I got into arguments on game channels when sb for example posted memes mocking the people that got shot by a militia kid at a blm rally. Not cause I wanted the other person to share my viewpoint, but it spoiled the hobby space imho. Sb being a racist edgelord shouldn’t be dominating such a public space. I disagree with northern exile that left politics rule the public space generally, as some kind of liberal identity politics theater does, more interesting ideas like class consciousness don‘t even make it to the public 😅while we beat ourselves up over who‘s the real totalitarian/racist/cosmopolitan, the upper class adds a couple zeros to their bank accounts and laughs at our idiocy.
@@sebastianwei7721 other than politics coming into the hobby your fussy attitude over something that could be ignored easily or told once that politics isn’t allowed in the channel (unless it is allowed in which case fuck off) seems pretty entitled
@@MikeJones-lf4bl well 40K is kinda a satire on fascism, so either we keep that clear, or surrender the space to forever juvenile far-right edgelords. I‘d rather not worry about my sons learning about the great replacement or similar idiocy every time they go to a hobby space. Also I pity the fool that gets fomo-ed by GW ten times a year and doesn’t develop some critical thoughts about our economic system. Doesn’t mean anybody has to share my views, but I won‘t preach socialism or whatever at the club and would appreciate not being enlightened about some regurgitated eternal jew conspiracy.
That bit about the weasel who complained about the UKIP guy really boiled my blood. Had I been there I’d have immediately complained at the manager about him to even the scales despite that normally I’d just roll my eyes and ignore him.
Our Hobbyshop has a no politics rules and everybody is happy about it. If it comes up occasionally, the manager always reminds us of that and as a joke we always switch the topic to: Is a bigger bolter better or the firerate? Regardless how heatet or critical the conversation, everybody laughs and we go on with hobby related topics pointing out that we are like stupid kids making this joke. (most of us are over 30). I love that shop. :D
Istg that was the best ending to a Wolfebstein-style of a DnD roleplay, that ending would be stellar in some Netflix show about WW2. Everyone cheering on the Allies/Resistance and feeling iffy about the SS turncoat but in the end the SS proved to be the true hero whilst ending the life of a truly evil and supposed “Ally” (Whom we all might relate to since maybe the Resistance female probably had her parents or some close family member murdered by the SS so she had been scarred to oblivion so she would only see red when seeing a Nazi specially a SS. But still went too far with the good guy SS and wouldn’t see reason, so although sad about her death the audience would feel some sort of relief). That must have been such a fun Campaign.
Also can I just say her taking issue with how the SS character looked is a bit funny, as the main character of the wolfenstein games looks just like that.
@@northernexileyeah, also the games even has a former ss member join yhe resistance and help the team. So her taking issue shows how little she knows of the game series.
I am very similar mindset when I comes to politics. I take aspects of the good parts each mindset. I am American, I consider my self in the middle. Maybe leaning right. I respect everyone's opinions, and that's how politics should be.
I think they have their uses as we don't know everything that's going on in our players lives. I remember one game shortly after my son was born where some stuff happened that seemed a bit too much so I can understand someone with trauma wanting to tap out.
@@brassviking486 I have *one* "safety tool".I have had it in every game I've run since 1988. It's called "Don't be a dick." Other than that, "safety tools" are the "problematic red flag" that tells me that this game is not the right fit for me. But that's ok. Some people like Denny's too.
I disagree I think ‘safety tools’, or at least a general discussion about ground rules is just good GMing and being concerned for your players experience. Everyone has red lines. I play WOD games and I wouldn’t be interested in doing a campaign which involved violence towards children. I’m sure others have issues around sexual violence. I don’t see the harm in making sure everyone is enjoying themselves or at least having no issues with content. That being said if the GM greenlit a character who could say ‘only feed on kids’ (I have similar issues with The Cleaver predator type) or whatever I’d walk away not pull a Natalie.
@@bopaintsminis I don’t think so. Stuff doesn’t have to be ‘degenerate’ to be upsetting. Being able to let the GM know that you’d like a break in a scene because your not happy with the way something’s going down easily and quickly can stop something small becoming something big. I don’t see it as gatekeeping just good housekeeping. Plus I’d rather know quickly if I’m upsetting my players than find out after the session that something about a scene upset them.
Oh boy the finale was just gold - I was switching between "facepalming Picard" and "laughing spanish guy" from end to end as you told the story, and especially the part where her stupidity and vendetta wound up benefitting his character in the end. Oh the sweet irony there X'D For real though, imo keep the real-life politics the hell away from hobby gaming: the only slant of politics in a session should be in-universe ones that serve as background info. For example, if the game is set in an Imperial hive city, there should be no place for any IRL politics and only the bare minimum of in-verse ones, say if you have a character who is running or holding a position in the hive's nobility etc. Given the rest of the comments here, I can concur this to be the general opinion here thankfully.
I managed a small sporting goods store and had to fire someone that was not only a friend, but the whole reason I had the job in the first place. It unfortunately ruined our friendship, but people quickly realized why I had to fire him. Sad... it sucks
When I was running the gaming at a local hobby store, I put up a sign in the gaming area that said "No real world politics or religion allowed." Having said that, I have 100% not played with a person due to their personal "political" beliefs. My gaming time is too infrequent and valuable to me to waste it spending with people whose views on certain subjects are 180 degrees from mine.
Gotta make a quick correction, the SS were only considered elite at the beginning of the war. By around 1942 they were primarily used as a quick way of funneling troops from conquered countries into paramilitary units
Great video today! Really enjoyed it! That D&D story at the end was amazing, and oh my god with it! 😂😂 like, in the nicest possible way, fuck Nat! 😂 get out that group 😂
We had someone like daimion in the store I frequent, the owners didn’t mind if we talked politics so long as we were civil about it and it wasn’t anything about racial or other stuff of that nature. But yeah the daimion like guy he was barred from the store for causing a unnecessary ruckus and tension in the store.
DnD session? Maybe I should send my Heavy Gear experience with the company owner. Edit: "Did UA-cam put an ad there?" No but it did put them at well timed spots
I've no idea how UA-cam places ads. In my case - I am a viewer from germany - it placed advertisement at approximately a second before the question "Did UA-cam put an ad there?" was voiced.
It's awesome that racist fascist parties get called out. Agreeing to disagree with racist and fascist isn't the way to go. What do you need to learn from racists and fascists? I guess you may and I guess they have ideas for you to steal.
Nah, they went there for the money. Dank, a Scotsman, going to UKIP because they wanted a "British Bill of Rights", when there's no UK legal system to make anything "British". It's English Law and Scots Law, with no touchy touchy. Same reasons Marriage is now 18 down there, but it's something else we just ignore. Dank stuffed up by following Akkad. Gave him exposure outside Scotland, but had everyone in Scotland scratching their head 🤔
Of course being associated with UKIP shouldn't result in being banned from the store. But to be able to describe UKIP without mentioning any controversy around race and race baiting really doesn't paint the whole picture of UKIPs role in UK politics
Say no to extremism, but don't kick people out for having opinions, only when you can't resolve your differences and agree to disagree. You can't just stay out of politics either, especially if it's about something local. You do actually have a responsibility to participate, if not a literal one, at least a moral one, something gen-x and millenials have completely abandoned, just leaving it to "other people" which is why the average politician is the same age as Ramses II. We have gigantic problems not just on our door step, but happening right now. The EU/US is trying to drag us into war with Russia (for better or worse and the better isn't "helping Ukraine" it's to kickstart our economies). Food/gas/living is through the roof and still rising, we're headed into a record setting recession as a consequence of the idiotic restrictions and lockdowns from the past couple of years. We, the people, are losing rights every single year and we're about to lose the tiny bit of influence we have left to the digitilization of our currencies within a couple of years. Corporate and governmental corruption is at an extreme, covered up with social justice and other small minded rhetoric that distracts us. It's okay to put it all on pause to go play some 40k, but that's not what's happening, people are avoiding it all wholesale and focus on the ESG narratives as some sort of course correction for "our sins". I don't care if people agree with me, as long as they understand the points I make and then make an informed decision to have a different position if that's what they choose, but it is frighteningly few people capable of doing this consciously. What's my point? The rest of our natural lives, us living right now, are headed towards a very hard existence and everyone is wearing blinders. It's not a question of being negative, this is going to happen whether you want it or not and if you have kids, you should think about how you'll secure their future to be self dependent and capable. There's no room for weak boys or selfish girls. And I'm not sorry for the rant :)
GenX and Millennials inherited their opinions on politics from the Boomers. Remember how many people took politics as something not to be discussed in polite company, generally proclaimed as such with a snobbish air of superiority? Well, turns out a few generations of that and the general public can't discuss politics politely.
@@stevenschnepp576 No one ever could discuss politics without conflict, which is why it's polite to not discuss them when you're with people that you need to keep a cordial relationship with. It was a way of tolerance. I much prefer that to the insane activism that is rampant now.
I'm fairly left wing and fucking hate UKIP, and also no offence, but think you had a bit of a bad take on your analysis of what they're about (they weren't infiltrated by corporatists for instance, Nigel Farage was an ex-banker lol and literally started the party). BUT, the lad trying to get a candidate banned from the store was bang out of order and the manager even more so for caving in to him. If he's not forcing his politics onto people in-store, who gives a shit? The young lad reflects badly on the "left" too - I get when you're young you feel really fucking intensely about your beliefs but you gotta think about what you're actually achieving.
Another lie spouted, Nigal Farage was never a banker. He was a stock broker in the metal market, completelty different thing!. And one of the reasons for wanting to leave the EU was to get away from corporate labby groups that the EU commision cuddled upto.
Agree to keep politics out of the hobby, but puh-lease.... UKIP is not centre right. They were far-right on like 75% of topics, and had significant numbers of far right members. They're authoritarian, populist, hard nationalist, xenophobic, and they call such delightful individuals as Tommy Robinson their advisers. They're explicitly Islamophobic in frequent public statements, and their membership continues to radicalise in recent years. If this story was pre-2019, then yeah, they were a bit more central. I'd never say they were cente-right, but I'd settle for right-wing until 2019. After then, they became distinctly hard-right, and it's not even deniable.
@@oriondrop8932 I did say this elsewhere in the comments. So long as he didn't bring politics into the store he shouldn't have been banned. My issue is claiming UKIP are even remotely central.
My grandmother said she hated me and never wanted to speak to me again over a disagreement about Trump. To her credit we haven't spoken in like 5 years, so good on her for committing to the bit I guess.
Also just want to say what happened to that one guy who got kicked out would be illegal in the US. What that manger did would break the first of ammendment in the US.
...No, no it wouldn't. The 1st amendment protects you from limits on your speech by the state. Private entities like game stores can refuse service for any number of reasons, including complaints from their customers.
@@angusmuir6180 really I was pretty sure we have some law or ammendment that action would break. Shit I might be wrong, ands that's sad as I am a history buff.
@@radicalgremlin6440 There's laws against protected characteristics- like race, gender, disabilities. Political alignment is not considered a protected characteristic.
They may be right wing, but so what? If you think that it is inherently immoral to be right wing, then you are a moron. And I say that as mostly a centrist with very varying political opinions.
Agreed. They were fully right-wing pre-2019, and have been far-right ever since. Dangerously far right. Literally have Tommy Tobinson, of EDL fame, as their adviser, and frequently make open statements of Islamophobia, xenophobia, and authoritarian policy. I have significant doubts of Exile's impartiality to suggest even for a moment that a party like UKIP is central whatsoever. Now, the guy in the story may have run for UKIP pre-2019, and been a moderate even by that measure. He might just have felt betrayed over Brexit by the Tories, but the thing is... most UKIP protest over brexit was that it was not hard enough/ it didn't go far enough to the hard right desires some had for the referendum (anti-immigrant, xenophobic/racist). Whilst it's not okay to ban him from the store just for running for UKIP, especially if he never talked politics around them, I can understand it driving a wedge through the group. Running as a UKIP candidate is a pretty heavy statement of support for some generally unpleasant views, and it's gonna make a lot of people re-think their opinions of you.
Just going to say I know nothing of English politics, but I personally in the US say I am in the middle or a constitutionalist. (That is basically uphold the constitution, and all rights it entails)
Wargaming should follow bar rules: No politics, no religion. People are just there to have fun and enjoy their hobby, if it doesn't affect the game, keep it to yourself.
agreed ^^
Heresy! The Emperor is the only path to salvation!
the 1 I rolled was the work of chaos!
I suppose it would be better to say, "if it doesn't improve the experience of the game all around, keep it to yourself" - regardless of subject.
Religion though? I guess...
I mean 40k's Imperium of Man is literally a satirical take on totalitarian theocracy, but at the end of the day you just gotta read the room a bit.
Wait.... we can't make broad brush statements? I always thought that the Republicans stood for Hitler, the Democrats stood for Stalin, and Warhammer 40k people stood in long lines for new models!
What about dry brush statements? Can we make those?
"One thick coat". That's my motto.
Standing in long lines is a proud British tradition.
I always kinda felt the UK Tories were closer to the US Democrats. I'd be interested to hear North's examples of where Republican and Labour policies converge though because as far as I can tell even centrist Labour are basically communists as far as the GOP are concerned.
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What about Guybrush Threepwood statements? "How appropriate. You fight like a cow!"
"Natalie vs SS Guy" should be remade as a slapstick comedy series where she tries everything to get him killed but with hilarious consequences with every blunder rolled :D
Just FYI, the SS weren't elite - the SS were a paramilitary organisation parallel to the armed forces (the Wehrmacht) and were the armed wing of the Nazi Party. Some individual units were "elite" and some were little better than conscripts (indeed, many were conscripts). The myth that they were elite units stemmed from the fact that in order to join the SS you had to be racially "pure" and in Nazi propaganda these units were portrayed as comprising supermen who couldn't be defeated. This proved to be somewhat inaccurate.
Thank you! So tired of hearing the ww2 baddies propaganda still being spouted out this many years later. The Wermacht was the home of WW 2 Germanys most elite units. Only a few SS divisions even fought on par with the average wermacht unit and those were generally heavy tank units. The SS were just snazzy dressers and great propagandists. Piss poor soldiers over all.
But one thing, you really described the SS, however the Waffen SS was the fighting arm of the SS. The SS was paramilitary but the Waffen SS were generally at least “professional” soldiers if also savages and animals. Everything else you said, spot on.
The "racially pure" and "unstoppable" SS soldier when the American .30-06 comes around: 💀
@@kadebaca4903 No, the Canadians used British .303. 😂
I have a general rule. I dont care or hate a random person's opinion of politics, as long as it's not... crazy. If it comes up when it's appropriate, fine. I'll talk about anything after a game with friends.
But if you're someone compelled to bring it up. All the time. Inappropriately. Without provocation. Goodbye. Don't care if I agree with you or not.
I got into arguments on game channels when sb for example posted memes mocking the people that got shot by a militia kid at a blm rally. Not cause I wanted the other person to share my viewpoint, but it spoiled the hobby space imho. Sb being a racist edgelord shouldn’t be dominating such a public space. I disagree with northern exile that left politics rule the public space generally, as some kind of liberal identity politics theater does, more interesting ideas like class consciousness don‘t even make it to the public 😅while we beat ourselves up over who‘s the real totalitarian/racist/cosmopolitan, the upper class adds a couple zeros to their bank accounts and laughs at our idiocy.
This is a much more reasonable response
@@sebastianwei7721 other than politics coming into the hobby your fussy attitude over something that could be ignored easily or told once that politics isn’t allowed in the channel (unless it is allowed in which case fuck off) seems pretty entitled
@@MikeJones-lf4bl well 40K is kinda a satire on fascism, so either we keep that clear, or surrender the space to forever juvenile far-right edgelords. I‘d rather not worry about my sons learning about the great replacement or similar idiocy every time they go to a hobby space. Also I pity the fool that gets fomo-ed by GW ten times a year and doesn’t develop some critical thoughts about our economic system. Doesn’t mean anybody has to share my views, but I won‘t preach socialism or whatever at the club and would appreciate not being enlightened about some regurgitated eternal jew conspiracy.
That bit about the weasel who complained about the UKIP guy really boiled my blood. Had I been there I’d have immediately complained at the manager about him to even the scales despite that normally I’d just roll my eyes and ignore him.
Our Hobbyshop has a no politics rules and everybody is happy about it. If it comes up occasionally, the manager always reminds us of that and as a joke we always switch the topic to: Is a bigger bolter better or the firerate? Regardless how heatet or critical the conversation, everybody laughs and we go on with hobby related topics pointing out that we are like stupid kids making this joke. (most of us are over 30). I love that shop. :D
Istg that was the best ending to a Wolfebstein-style of a DnD roleplay, that ending would be stellar in some Netflix show about WW2. Everyone cheering on the Allies/Resistance and feeling iffy about the SS turncoat but in the end the SS proved to be the true hero whilst ending the life of a truly evil and supposed “Ally” (Whom we all might relate to since maybe the Resistance female probably had her parents or some close family member murdered by the SS so she had been scarred to oblivion so she would only see red when seeing a Nazi specially a SS. But still went too far with the good guy SS and wouldn’t see reason, so although sad about her death the audience would feel some sort of relief). That must have been such a fun Campaign.
Hahaha, the D&D story was brilliant 😂
Also can I just say her taking issue with how the SS character looked is a bit funny, as the main character of the wolfenstein games looks just like that.
@@radicalgremlin6440 I never thought of that! He does xD
@@northernexileyeah, also the games even has a former ss member join yhe resistance and help the team. So her taking issue shows how little she knows of the game series.
Excited to support you from the US when the new channel sponsor is announced!
UA-cam did indeed put an ad there and I was caught off guard when North started asking 💀💀. I thought he could hear me for a second
I am very similar mindset when I comes to politics. I take aspects of the good parts each mindset. I am American, I consider my self in the middle. Maybe leaning right. I respect everyone's opinions, and that's how politics should be.
Just wanted to say I love the videos. I’m an American truck driver, and the stories help some of the miles go by a little easier.
This is like people that demand "safety tools" in their RPGs.
Can't we just sit down and have a game, please?
I think they have their uses as we don't know everything that's going on in our players lives.
I remember one game shortly after my son was born where some stuff happened that seemed a bit too much so I can understand someone with trauma wanting to tap out.
@@brassviking486 I have *one* "safety tool".I have had it in every game I've run since 1988. It's called "Don't be a dick."
Other than that, "safety tools" are the "problematic red flag" that tells me that this game is not the right fit for me.
But that's ok. Some people like Denny's too.
I disagree I think ‘safety tools’, or at least a general discussion about ground rules is just good GMing and being concerned for your players experience. Everyone has red lines. I play WOD games and I wouldn’t be interested in doing a campaign which involved violence towards children. I’m sure others have issues around sexual violence. I don’t see the harm in making sure everyone is enjoying themselves or at least having no issues with content. That being said if the GM greenlit a character who could say ‘only feed on kids’ (I have similar issues with The Cleaver predator type) or whatever I’d walk away not pull a Natalie.
@@adamsboringvids I don't need safety tools for that. I don't allow degenerates into my games.
But I guess that's gayekeeping, isn't it?
@@bopaintsminis I don’t think so. Stuff doesn’t have to be ‘degenerate’ to be upsetting. Being able to let the GM know that you’d like a break in a scene because your not happy with the way something’s going down easily and quickly can stop something small becoming something big. I don’t see it as gatekeeping just good housekeeping. Plus I’d rather know quickly if I’m upsetting my players than find out after the session that something about a scene upset them.
They did indeed put an add there North.
Loving all your content, makes me feel better knowing that horror stories are common fare.
Oh boy the finale was just gold - I was switching between "facepalming Picard" and "laughing spanish guy" from end to end as you told the story, and especially the part where her stupidity and vendetta wound up benefitting his character in the end. Oh the sweet irony there X'D
For real though, imo keep the real-life politics the hell away from hobby gaming: the only slant of politics in a session should be in-universe ones that serve as background info. For example, if the game is set in an Imperial hive city, there should be no place for any IRL politics and only the bare minimum of in-verse ones, say if you have a character who is running or holding a position in the hive's nobility etc. Given the rest of the comments here, I can concur this to be the general opinion here thankfully.
I managed a small sporting goods store and had to fire someone that was not only a friend, but the whole reason I had the job in the first place. It unfortunately ruined our friendship, but people quickly realized why I had to fire him. Sad... it sucks
When I was running the gaming at a local hobby store, I put up a sign in the gaming area that said "No real world politics or religion allowed." Having said that, I have 100% not played with a person due to their personal "political" beliefs. My gaming time is too infrequent and valuable to me to waste it spending with people whose views on certain subjects are 180 degrees from mine.
35:46 he’s basically playing Hugo Stieglitz from that film.
Gotta make a quick correction, the SS were only considered elite at the beginning of the war. By around 1942 they were primarily used as a quick way of funneling troops from conquered countries into paramilitary units
Yes, Mr North tends to have something of a "coffee table book" knowledge of history.
Great video today! Really enjoyed it! That D&D story at the end was amazing, and oh my god with it! 😂😂 like, in the nicest possible way, fuck Nat! 😂 get out that group 😂
People like that do not let it go. They double down. That's what they do.
This was an enjoyable video to watch as always matey
I love that Natalie described me to a T and I’m left-leaning 😂
I’ve never met Damien, and yet I feel I’ve met his ilk a thousand times over.
Yes, they put an ad there lol
you just earned my sub with your soapbox!
UKIP center right? 🤔
We had someone like daimion in the store I frequent, the owners didn’t mind if we talked politics so long as we were civil about it and it wasn’t anything about racial or other stuff of that nature. But yeah the daimion like guy he was barred from the store for causing a unnecessary ruckus and tension in the store.
I would have walked out with Roy had I been in that store.
If I ever run a hobby store all political iconography is forbidden outside of historicals.
Yes. UA-cam put an Ad there.
Eventually, no one offers you forgiveness if you never offer it to others…
Natalie would've been a fanatic adherent to National Socialism had she grown up in 1930s Berlin
I'd love to see the viewer retention rate for this video
So would I to be fair 😂
Love your videos, this one had me laughing all the way home
Natalie needs help
Damian is an alias for Arbitor Ian, methinks.
Never trusting a certain party member is perfectly fine to roleplay….always trying to kill them is just a no
Ah, so the Thunderdome died because of what was in the DMs ...
Comment for the algorithm God!
Like for the Like throne!
But seriously man, love the work keep it up :) !
Simple, Ban Damian, and keep Roy and his money.
politics!? as a politician myself, i strongly recommend against bringing politics into the hobby.
I’m going to end everything I say now with “and then they all clapped”
DnD session? Maybe I should send my Heavy Gear experience with the company owner.
Edit: "Did UA-cam put an ad there?"
No but it did put them at well timed spots
I've no idea how UA-cam places ads. In my case - I am a viewer from germany - it placed advertisement at approximately a second before the question "Did UA-cam put an ad there?" was voiced.
I reckon the Ukip guy is Sargon of Akkad aka Carl Benjamin. He ran for Ukip and he's a warhammer nerd!
Yeah I love this video, and it came out on my birthday.
It's awesome that racist fascist parties get called out. Agreeing to disagree with racist and fascist isn't the way to go. What do you need to learn from racists and fascists? I guess you may and I guess they have ideas for you to steal.
Both Sargon of Akkad and Dankula went for Ukip, anti-censorhsip and such I believe
Nah, they went there for the money.
Dank, a Scotsman, going to UKIP because they wanted a "British Bill of Rights", when there's no UK legal system to make anything "British".
It's English Law and Scots Law, with no touchy touchy.
Same reasons Marriage is now 18 down there, but it's something else we just ignore.
Dank stuffed up by following Akkad.
Gave him exposure outside Scotland, but had everyone in Scotland scratching their head 🤔
Thank you
Yes they did
It makes you think maybe it's the trainer's that need training? Training on how to be a normal person
Of course being associated with UKIP shouldn't result in being banned from the store. But to be able to describe UKIP without mentioning any controversy around race and race baiting really doesn't paint the whole picture of UKIPs role in UK politics
Damn, i rather enjoyed your channel.
left, right, how about we talk out side the store. after we are done, we can walk back into the store. keep politics outside the store.
Say no to extremism, but don't kick people out for having opinions, only when you can't resolve your differences and agree to disagree.
You can't just stay out of politics either, especially if it's about something local. You do actually have a responsibility to participate, if not a literal one, at least a moral one, something gen-x and millenials have completely abandoned, just leaving it to "other people" which is why the average politician is the same age as Ramses II.
We have gigantic problems not just on our door step, but happening right now.
The EU/US is trying to drag us into war with Russia (for better or worse and the better isn't "helping Ukraine" it's to kickstart our economies).
Food/gas/living is through the roof and still rising, we're headed into a record setting recession as a consequence of the idiotic restrictions and lockdowns from the past couple of years.
We, the people, are losing rights every single year and we're about to lose the tiny bit of influence we have left to the digitilization of our currencies within a couple of years.
Corporate and governmental corruption is at an extreme, covered up with social justice and other small minded rhetoric that distracts us.
It's okay to put it all on pause to go play some 40k, but that's not what's happening, people are avoiding it all wholesale and focus on the ESG narratives as some sort of course correction for "our sins".
I don't care if people agree with me, as long as they understand the points I make and then make an informed decision to have a different position if that's what they choose, but it is frighteningly few people capable of doing this consciously.
What's my point? The rest of our natural lives, us living right now, are headed towards a very hard existence and everyone is wearing blinders. It's not a question of being negative, this is going to happen whether you want it or not and if you have kids, you should think about how you'll secure their future to be self dependent and capable. There's no room for weak boys or selfish girls.
And I'm not sorry for the rant :)
GenX and Millennials inherited their opinions on politics from the Boomers.
Remember how many people took politics as something not to be discussed in polite company, generally proclaimed as such with a snobbish air of superiority? Well, turns out a few generations of that and the general public can't discuss politics politely.
@@stevenschnepp576 No one ever could discuss politics without conflict, which is why it's polite to not discuss them when you're with people that you need to keep a cordial relationship with. It was a way of tolerance.
I much prefer that to the insane activism that is rampant now.
I'm fairly left wing and fucking hate UKIP, and also no offence, but think you had a bit of a bad take on your analysis of what they're about (they weren't infiltrated by corporatists for instance, Nigel Farage was an ex-banker lol and literally started the party). BUT, the lad trying to get a candidate banned from the store was bang out of order and the manager even more so for caving in to him. If he's not forcing his politics onto people in-store, who gives a shit?
The young lad reflects badly on the "left" too - I get when you're young you feel really fucking intensely about your beliefs but you gotta think about what you're actually achieving.
It's really remarkable how many leftists "reflect badly on the right."
@@stevenschnepp576 I mean surely the aim is to reflect badly on the right.. not that they often need much help haha.
@@sonicwingnut from my experience the right are not trying to hide what kind of shitsocks they can be.
Another lie spouted, Nigal Farage was never a banker. He was a stock broker in the metal market, completelty different thing!. And one of the reasons for wanting to leave the EU was to get away from corporate labby groups that the EU commision cuddled upto.
The worst come from GW.
Another good one!
Dean. You’re spot on mate. Keep it coming.
Agree to keep politics out of the hobby, but puh-lease.... UKIP is not centre right. They were far-right on like 75% of topics, and had significant numbers of far right members.
They're authoritarian, populist, hard nationalist, xenophobic, and they call such delightful individuals as Tommy Robinson their advisers. They're explicitly Islamophobic in frequent public statements, and their membership continues to radicalise in recent years.
If this story was pre-2019, then yeah, they were a bit more central. I'd never say they were cente-right, but I'd settle for right-wing until 2019. After then, they became distinctly hard-right, and it's not even deniable.
Regardless the guy kept it out of the store completely. So his political views don’t matter nor should have been used to keep him out of the store.
@@oriondrop8932 I did say this elsewhere in the comments. So long as he didn't bring politics into the store he shouldn't have been banned. My issue is claiming UKIP are even remotely central.
>They're authoritarian
Every party in this country is authoritarian
Got kicked out of an Age of Sigmar group over a stupid vaccine debate
lmao nice
In that case you lost nothing of value.
My grandmother said she hated me and never wanted to speak to me again over a disagreement about Trump. To her credit we haven't spoken in like 5 years, so good on her for committing to the bit I guess.
It’s a shame people can’t just agree they disagree about this one thing but that doesn’t mean they can’t be friends.
@ Miles Coleman how crazy and/or stupid was this vaccine debate?
I can't stand people like Damien :-(
Also just want to say what happened to that one guy who got kicked out would be illegal in the US. What that manger did would break the first of ammendment in the US.
...No, no it wouldn't. The 1st amendment protects you from limits on your speech by the state. Private entities like game stores can refuse service for any number of reasons, including complaints from their customers.
@@angusmuir6180 really I was pretty sure we have some law or ammendment that action would break. Shit I might be wrong, ands that's sad as I am a history buff.
@@radicalgremlin6440 There's laws against protected characteristics- like race, gender, disabilities.
Political alignment is not considered a protected characteristic.
@@radicalgremlin6440 Nope, and such a law would violate the First Amendment.
ukip are definitely right wing and right of tory, not centrist at all
They may be right wing, but so what? If you think that it is inherently immoral to be right wing, then you are a moron. And I say that as mostly a centrist with very varying political opinions.
Agreed. They were fully right-wing pre-2019, and have been far-right ever since. Dangerously far right. Literally have Tommy Tobinson, of EDL fame, as their adviser, and frequently make open statements of Islamophobia, xenophobia, and authoritarian policy. I have significant doubts of Exile's impartiality to suggest even for a moment that a party like UKIP is central whatsoever.
Now, the guy in the story may have run for UKIP pre-2019, and been a moderate even by that measure. He might just have felt betrayed over Brexit by the Tories, but the thing is... most UKIP protest over brexit was that it was not hard enough/ it didn't go far enough to the hard right desires some had for the referendum (anti-immigrant, xenophobic/racist). Whilst it's not okay to ban him from the store just for running for UKIP, especially if he never talked politics around them, I can understand it driving a wedge through the group. Running as a UKIP candidate is a pretty heavy statement of support for some generally unpleasant views, and it's gonna make a lot of people re-think their opinions of you.
@@AllThingsCubey You'd do the exact same to Tories, you can fuck off pretending you'd be ok with them either lol
Just going to say I know nothing of English politics, but I personally in the US say I am in the middle or a constitutionalist. (That is basically uphold the constitution, and all rights it entails)
@@radicalgremlin6440 if you know nothing then why comment?
Keep politics out of Hobby Nightmares
Sry, but Natalie is not a good Roleplayer
I sorta like UKIP in the sense I like MUDKIPS! Popped my ballot in le bin.