Trans Liberals VS. Trans Conservatives | JUBILEE REACTION
Вставка
- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Turn on notifications if you like my vids :D
Twitter: / itssamcollins
Instagram: / itssamcollins
Tik Tok: / itssamcollins
Snapchat: / rko5lh9a (@SupraManSam)
2nd Tik Tok: / itssamkollins
Book a personalized video from me for your friends, parents, or yourself:
www.cameo.com/...
Business: samcollins@select.co
1:01 - Is it a safety concern for trans women to share a female restroom?
17:10 - I support the transgender military ban.
28:27 - School should include trans conversation in sex ed/ It's okay for minors to get top surgery.
40:57 - Non-binary should not be considered under the trans umbrella.
55:40 - Doctors are manipulating trans medical care.
1:13:33 - Gender-affirming transition is suicide prevention.
So I have a unique twist on the "bathroom debate". I am a cis woman, and I use a wheelchair and I need to use accessible bathrooms when out in public. And I kid you not, 90% of toilets built for access needs in public spaces are gender neutral- if the establishment even has one. I share a toilet with men on a very regular basis. I have been put in an awkward and uncomfortable situation exactly once, by a very cisgender looking , able-bodied man. It just strikes me that these people who argue about the sanctity of the woman's bathroom disregard the very real struggle of people with disabilities to find a bathroom that suits their needs- do they even care about safe and accessible bathrooms, or is this argument a straw they're grasping at to give anti-trans rhetoric a veneer of legitimacy? Makes you think...
@MrBlle9 Agreed! The only issue I have, personally, with sharing a bathroom with trans people, is that there are so few public bathrooms I can physically enter in the first place. More users = even less availability.
huh, I'm also a disabled person who needs to use the accessible toilets and basically all the accessible toilets in this country are gender neutral. It has never been an issue for me in that regard esp as a non-binary person except for how at certain times a number of non binary people have been forced by the lack of gender neutral facilities into using the bathroom and sometimes that made access harder (and to be clear here i do not blame them for that I blame the building for not providing other gender neutral toilets I do not need any abled people playing hero coming in defending the toilets for me)
as a person with CP i have said establishments could just end this whole debate by making more family-style single-stall restrooms available I have actually been accosted in a public bathroom for being a crutch user that an able-bodied woman asked me why I was using THAT stall OMG I breathe a sign of relief at the family restroom and most trans people do too I bet
@@damianwildfong7278 yeah good point, those of us with additional needs get bathroom-policed as well! Fortunately nobody can argue with a wheelchair but I have definitely seen people with IBS or even a disability that allows them to walk with an aid, being treated poorly in bathrooms. Not saying there aren't able bodied people who mis-use them, mind... I've caught people having s*x in access bathrooms 🤣 but I think having good faith discussions about how to cater to peoples needs is FAR more productive that pointing fingers and making accusations.
seriously, access issues are a 911 emergency when they start to invole abled people 🙄
As a trans man I am so anxious to make women uncomfortable in the womens restroom and terrified someone will hurt me in the mens. I'm at the point in my transition where I look both like a twink and a masc lesbain. I never know what bathroom I should use.
Fr me too. I haven't been misgendeded but I'm still too scared to try the men's restroom
@@Angel-br8xq I was put off the men's room for months because these guys were calling me a girl. I don't know if they thought I was a girl or if they were just being homophobic, but it terrified me for a long time.
use whichever one you'll cause the least amount of disturbance in, personally if trans women walk in the ladies restroom but its obvious they are trying to pass I don't care, as long as the effort is clear. So if you've made an effort I think you should be fine especially since everyone is just trying to piss and leave.
@@MerakiElysianWhat does their effort have to do with being able to pee in a space they're comfortable in? As long as you're one of the good obedient dogs you'll get a pass from me, ME the one who says if you should use a bathroom or not. Get over yourself, let people piss.
The transphobes harass masc lesbians in women's restrooms, too. Far more than trans women ever do. Transphobia, homophobia, rigid gender-conformist doctrine, etc. are all part of the same ideology. Their current target is trans women, but they're after everyone who doesn't fit their mold perfectly. Even if some of them pretend to be open-minded with their "well, trans people in restrooms are fine if I judge that they're gender-conforming enough."
these are great conversations but i am BEGGING these people to listen to each other. this isn't even a debate it's an argument
Exactly
A (productive) argument requires that those involved are actually open to accepting each other’s ideas.
Whatever this is is just two sides preaching whatever they see as truth to the viewers.
I think what kills me the most is that they are so afraid that a man is going to put on a dress and go in the women's restroom and assault someone. Doesn't that mean they're actually afraid of a man who is a pervert and an opportunist? Why punish trans women because of it? Their issue is with CIS men, not trans women
thank u!
Omg exactly!! They always say putting on a dress and wearing makeup doesn't make you a woman (it doesn't) and then say a man putting on a dress going into a women's restroom is transgender. They're so hypocritical
But it’s the fact that they don’t actually think trans women are women, they think they’re just men playing a woman
That's my thoughts too. When my son was around 7 or 8, I knew he was too old to go into the women's room so I could go in too, but letting my little boy go to the men's room struck fear into my heart. It was a whole process for years to make sure he could go to the bathroom safely. I could give a shit where anyone besides perverts go to the bathroom. I'm so happy my local stores finally started, just this month, putting in family bathrooms at least.
But they talk about self-id. Which is the problem, Sarah pointed that, the awful woke don't get that (Like in the video) and you misunderstand, then the problem stands and isn't resolved. Years before there wasn't a problem for trans women to use the bathroom, now it is.
so glad sam made a reaction video so i don't have to suffer through the jubilee video alone
ur welcome
@@SupraMan38Seriously, I would have raged out watching this alone. Also gotta tell my gf to watch you now that I know you wanted to be an English teacher. She used to be one.
LITERALLY. As soon as I saw this one pop up into my recommended and saw Blaire on the thumbnail I was like “nope, not watching this one, absolutely cannot handle that/do that alone”
Honestly, when I went to the comments Blair’s followers were all I saw and then I went to Sasha’s TikTok page and so many people commented defending her
I dont think that Jubilee is doing their job as a discussion facilitator. They should be fact checking, maybe not in real time but for the viewers, and providing a fair discussion. No one should be allowed to call anyone deranged because of their beliefs! Its supposed to be a discussion not a pie throwing contest where the loudest and meanest wins!
Yes, they did shut down people talking over eachother (but it took a long time before they did).
that's what made me stop tuning in to them, tbh. they deliberately picked the most controversial speakers for their discussions just because they knew it would get people talking.
I agree jubilee should do better. They also shouldn’t have allowed Alexander to repeatedly call Blair disgusting. They also shouldn’t have allowed the other side to attack Blair’s personal life.
Agreed, that's why I stopped watching those middle ground vids. They're more biased towards one side (I think jubilee as a company is more liberal,) so the editing + talking points are gonna lean more towards that side. And they do leave room for misinformation to spread. If they just fact checked what ppl said more, that would make their vids a lot more trustworthy to me, until then, imma pass on those vids.
@@lasciamidasoloyes, the promotion around this debate was all about the drama and the controversy.
The show is called middle ground but the questions are extremely leading towards a certain point. The participants should be able to prepare the answer to the questions beforehand, but there should not be any career debaters. There is no reason why Blair and Blossom, who do this every day, should be in the same conversation as trans people who don't. It was embarrassing on the part of jubilee that they did not actively moderate and allowed all the conversations to devolve as they did.
as a non-binary person, i can confirm that I don't exist.
Just like me fr
omg so you are.....a....ghost?!
Queens of the Stone Age's "I Appear Missing" made manifest!
Same
@@SupraMan38 👀👀
As a society we just got the whole bathroom thing completely wrong. These huge stall bathrooms are an unhygienic, uncomfortable abomination. There should be real walls with real doors separating the toilets. Wtf is this flimsy hanging wall shit with the chain lock door???
It's the lowest bar, legally speaking
That would cost money and that wouldn't be very capitalist.
i am not sharing a bathroom or restroom with anyone other than women, thank you. and having rooms and doors takes up a lot of space so crowdy places it can't be prioritized because ppl need to pee. also, making a bathroom too nice will make ppl use more time than needed
Tell me the bathroom issue doesn't effect everyone. I'm a cis woman with short hair, broad shoulders, and a lifetime membership in the itty bitty titty committee. I have been harassed in public bathrooms several times and told more than once the "everyone knows I used to be a man." I'm worried one of these days it's going to escalate.
This!!!
Exactly why this debate is dumb. I'm AFAB and used the girls restroom my whole life and in school, I had creepy girls peek through the stalls and watch you pee. I wish America in general had each stall turned into a ROOM like in Asian countries, which promotes more safety and privacy. I feel like THEN Americans will be more comfortable with turning more restrooms into gender neutral restrooms.
Yes is so sad, some people are so pathetic and narrow minded, the politicians and media has put this fear in their minds over what should be a non issue.
They all need to mind their own business, some of them are certainly no model of patriarchal perfection either, if you are not causing any problems and it's rude to publicly dissect, intimidate and harass a random just going about their daily business regardless.
I've never been called a guy in the bathroom specifically but I have been called "young boy" "sir" "he". People think they can "always tell" but they really can't.
@@vexywexypoo People are using the pronoun they consider polite. It doesn't mean they can't tell.
I agrée that trans people shouldn’t be in the military because I like trans people and the military sucks, so I don’t want them to have to go through that.
Bruhhh that's so valid lmao
You’re so sweet for that 😭💕
The military sucks for anyone ngl. Cancel the military itself. No one will go.
Imagine how much money we would have for like other stuff in our country if like we didn’t have half the shit we did in the military
Omg French fellow?
Blaire will literally sit there and take it when conservatives call her a man to her face but gets instantly hostile when she's in a room with other trans people who disagree w her politics like wtf😭
When people call Blaire a man, it really just plays into her grift.
When other trans people call her out, that's a threat to her grift.
Hey..that isn’t true. One conservative who did call her a man was Candance Owens, Blaire White did not just sit there and take it. She fought back against that notion. Had a public falling out with her friend that was moderating the debate due to believing her friend shouldn’t have allowed her to get disrespected like that. And has publically stated multiple times how that was one of her most heated debates and she felt very disrespected. She even has a video called “Reacting To My MOST INTENSE Debates…” where she opens up about that interview and how Candance Owens was disrespecting her on purpose and trying to manipulate the facts to justify her transphobia against Blaire.
That’s blatantly not true…Blaire says a lot I don’t agree with but she isn’t THAT far gone. She definitely doesn’t let people misgender her, all she does is recognize that she is biologically male. I don’t rlly see anything wrong w that. Trans ppl have their different opinions and experiences, clearly..
@@marafaith9977 Dude Lauren Wishnoc or whatever her name is said to her face “the best thing you can do for conservatives is to grow out your mustache and tell people not to live like you!” and all of her catty attitude and sneakiness was mysteriously not in the room.
@@nixuniverse5240 It’s her prerogative. There’s plenty of times where she’s said she cannot change hateful people like that, and also times where she’s called out dumbasses like candace owens and Ben Shapiro for trying to justify calling her a male. I don’t see anything wrong with her being catty with conservatives or liberals. She definitely is with both. I think something like what that woman said to her would be really shocking, and I personally wouldn’t know how to react. It’s hard to judge.
"Some people are trans because they're horny" That would make them cross dressers, not trans. It's not very relevant to the conversation.
for self id weirdos it makes perfect sense
@@rydbthatsmethat part
That's literally the point.
Some "Crossdressers" Will tell you that they're trans, and there isn't any actual statement that you can prove them wrong.
THAT'S THE ISSUE.
@@alfonsomendez9787I swear are these people brain dead like that’s literally the point use your brain
Your correct but those cross dressers are claiming they are "trans" so that's most likely why she said that.
WAKE UP BABE, SAM DROPPED AN HOUR LONG VIDEO WE EATIN GOOD TONIGHT 👌
DINNER W SAM TONIGHT
@@SupraMan38 YEEAAAH
The rebuttals to “men will pretend to be trans to harass women in bathrooms” always frustrate me when they stop short of mentioning that wether they claim to be trans or not, harassment’s still illegal?? It’s not as if anyone is advocating to allow trans people to freely harass people??
Also they could dress as attendants or plumbers
And how would it be enforced? Genital checks?
I'm just thankful I never went to saunas.
But they do! I actually have a friend who was a victim of this, and when she went to report, her school said that they could not do anything because "the student identifies as a woman". Mind you, he wears solely masculine clothing and has a full beard.
Now it might not happen a lot, but it happens enough, and when it happens to somebody close to you, it feels really big and kind of scary.
@notville_ if you dont care why are you here? it seems like you do care a whole lot, enough that it makes you cry in the shower because of it. i mean, why else would you even bother otherwise? you should be in bed right now, people your age should sleep early to get up to school.
I used a women's restroom on a roadtrip at a gas station and they gave me funny looks and kept staring at me. Then the next day, since I didn't get to shave, I used a men's restroom and they were even weirder about it.
There's no winning some times
What if the signs would've said "PP" & "VV" instead?
@@jesustyronechrist2330...what???
@@bananacat4339 Penis & Vagina rooms. Then you pick the one that fits your needs
Maybe they should have like one other bathroom space for gender non conforming people - like gender fluid, agender, non-binary, and even trans people who are still transitioning (this can be a part solution to the first problem in the debate) or even who don’t feel comfortable in those spaces, they can just be individual stalls, idk I think it would help a lot. Keeps women safe, keeps trans people safe, and it keeps creeps out for the most part (it makes it harder to get them basically)
@@tarathoughts13 that'd be good for everyone, I'd say
"Making an effort" I'd hate to tell Blair, but there are a lot of trans people who just can't pass. No matter "how hard they try". Especially early in transition. I didn't pass early in transition, despite my best efforts, because I was balding and had beard shadow. I pass now, but I got lucky enough that my hair grew back and my beard shadow faded. Seriously. Does she not understand the absolute poverty a lot of trans people deal with? I am so messed up from all the trauma of being forced through the wrong puberty that I developed BPD and I cannot work. If insurance don't cover it, I don't get it. And guess what insurance doesn't cover? Facial hair removal, body hair removal, and voice feminizing surgery. GOD, I'd love VFS. I despite my voice, despite it somehow not clocking me.
If you really want to be trans you’d make the effort to save up to afford it. Theirs no rush to transition so I don’t understand why this can’t wait until you have the funds to do so. If you don’t do the surgery then your not trans your a cross dresser
@@Dark-Wolf27 Some people will never be able to afford to transition, like those on disability, and other financial issues. This is like saying "If you want to be rich, you'd make the effort to get a job and make money." Disgusting behavior.
@@Chaos-._ but that doesn’t change the fact that your not actually trans. I’m a guy but if I put on a dress and say I’m a girl now does that make me trans? No it doesn’t I can pretend to be trans all I want but without the surgery I’ll never be a real trans person. It’s not disgusting behavior it’s just life and sometimes life sucks
@@Dark-Wolf27 They will always be transgender, even if they don't get the surgeries. Gormless take.
@@Dark-Wolf27 it's almost as if acting trans is hard if you don't actually feel trans 🙀gee whilikers, sounds like you just fell on your own point there 💀
I am so upset that deadass, THEY IGNORE THE VETERAN, like she tried to talk as someone who has done this and has connections SHES THE BEST RESOURCE???
Ironically, she misrepresented the issue heavily. The trans military ban WAS a ban for trans people’s ability to be in the military.
Not to mention that the arguments they present to support the ban are the same arguments people made for keeping cis women out of the military.
Take a shot every time Blair rolls her eyes
Alcohol poisoning.
Thanks, I'm dead now
id rather stay alive thank you
Not unless you pay for my trip to the hospital afterwards
Take a shot every time Blossom screams over someone
one time i was using a genderneutral bathroom and a guy walked in (it was multistalled, i was at the sink when he entered) and he just ... stood there and watched me up until I was about to leave he said "youre not supposed to be in here", an interaction that haunts me to this day.
It's always about control and punishing those who seek to break free of it.
This reminds me of a joke a comedian made where they told her to get out of the gender neutral bathroom at a club "if not there then where?"
@notville_L
@@utaku-chan477I WAS ABOUT TO MENTION THE EXACT SAME THING
While you made a decent point for your side of the argument, it shows that cis-men can feel the same level of discomfort when someone they perceive as not their gender, shares the bathroom with them. Just an interesting point to think of.
I love the point that the guy made about lesbains. I am a lesbian, and I was open about it in highschool- I faced a lot of violence and bullying any time i was in bathrooms or changing rooms because of it.
Not that far into the video yet but I saw Blaire White in the thumbnail and knew things were gonna get heated 👀
everyone had me laughing
right i knew it was gonna get messy 😭
Yeah cos you guys are on this hate brigade against this chick without ever listening to her
@@VioletWaves44 nah i'm on a hate brigade against Blaire and I just listened to an hour of her talking, actually feels pretty decent lmao
blaire white ate☺️
As a non-binary person named Sam, I feel honoured to be your example!
I’m also honored to be his example.
+@@MyNameIsDeezSir I thought your name was Deez.
@@kindauncoolLmao, that’s my online name
the amount of times blaire openly and obviously rolls her eyes just shows shes not willing to try and grow in any capacity..
Fr. She thinks she's better than everyone since shes trans and conservatives love her
she radiates mean girl energy
literally its so frustrating when people are willingly ignorant to the freedoms of other ppl. especially in “free america” its so hypocritical to police trans/nonbinary individuals, while crying censorship! lol
The video was edited, depends on when she was atacked, same with the moderator which isn't exactly one, they don't moderate and they're biased. I don't fully blame Blaire, but Blossom and Alexander aren't better than her.
Sarah was the best honestly. And red guy.
The video was heavily edited and the moderators prevented Blaire from being able to speak
Sam I’m glad you pulled the statistics out abt detransition because it’s %100 true! I live in a conservative area in Texas As a teenager I made the attempt to transition FTM and only could get through a year of it. I was constantly misgendered on purpose by people at school and my entire family. It became so uncomfortable to live my life because of my transition to the point I isolated myself from so many people. So I detransitioned and suddenly everyone was ok with me again. But they, to this day, never let me live it down and use it as a way to shame me.
I wish there was a way for me but unfortunately I don’t think there is.
As a fellow Texan, you are loved. You are seen, and you are special! Live your truth, and don't allow people to tell you how to see yourself. Don't allow them to invalidate your feelings and thoughts.
as i do not agree it was ok to bully you for your decision. i feel it is important to know people are more likely to like things that are natural and common. and to reject things that aren't natural and are uncommon. and i am a firm believer that it is 100% ok to have an opinion on a topic whether your stance is for or against said topic.
@@sustainablysam your truth is such a foolish thing to say.
It's really sad that people make lgbt so uncomfortable that they're forced back in the closet like this. I'm a lesbian and grew up in an area with a lot of conservatives too, and even when i've gone back to visit I feel uncomfortable in the area. I honestly don't think I could ever live full time where i'm from comfortably. Most people I know from there have ignorant beliefs, and growing up there was an intense amount of homophobia and transphobia from adults around me even in places where it would seem wildly inappropriate to be voicing opinions like that such as adult coworkers making catty comments about the only trans woman in town to me when I was 14.
I didn't even know trans people were a thing until later on into that same year, when my coworkers called her by he/him pronouns and referred to her as a crossdresser I took what they said at face value because I didn't even know being trans was a thing, so had no way of realizing that they were intentionally discriminating against her and being rude.
I hope you're able to get out of that area at some point. It honestly is so much better for lgbt to be living in liberal areas because there are far more people who are accepting. I live in Los Angeles now and there still are homophobic/transphobic people but not nearly as many as in conservative states. I've had people from where i've from try to go on tangents to me about how horrible they think LA is (despite never having lived here themselves) and i'll always be really quick to stop them in their tracks and remind them that for me as a lesbian, living back home is not and never will be comfortable.
@@RomeEmpire123 being LGBT isn't unnatural. Referring to any of us as such is a discrimination tactic and nothing more. The science says it is natural, even for trans people. When they've done studies on trans people it's been found that trans women's brain scans line up with cis women's, the same for trans men and cis men. Not only that but genetically not all people are simply xx or xy, there are variations in chromosomes.
People also aren't more likely to reject LGBT people, what people ARE likely to do is be TAUGHT to discriminate. Discrimination isn't natural, it never has been. People learn things like racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia from other people, especially parents.
And discrimination is not an opinion, it's discrimination. Agree to disagree is for situations such as liking a movie or disliking a food, it is absolutely not for people's lives and ability to live freely and happily without being discriminated against.
This is the only way to make me watch this jubilee video
GOTEEEEEEEEM
exactly. jubilee has been violently triggering lately.
You have to filter it?
@@Ailebunni5797it is just so much to take in at a time, having a second person give their opinion midway helps to digest it all 😭
watch out samantha lux's comment section got raided by blairs fans just for talking about this video :(
i saw 😬
It doesn’t help that the liberals in the debate were not debating good at all and even resorted to threats. As much as Blaire is wrong, that type of behavior is never justified
Doesn't have to be blaire white fans. It was taken so out of context and was not a good reaction video. I love samantha but that video was not it.
@@joel4541 it was literally filled with ppl saying how much they love blair and being transphobic as fuck be so fr rn
@@ZinniaGuldenIdk. I feel Blaire opened the door for it when she started with the snide facial expressions and random interjects when other people are speaking.
On the topic of top surgery... I started transitioning at 37, so VERY much an adult. I was able to get on T within a few months. I had DI top surgery a year after starting my transition. I had a hysterectomy 6 mo later. Lots of gender affirming medical care. My very conservative family takes the side of... "OMG, I cant believe no one stopped you! You rushed this! This is proof that they are going to let children do this too!" But the big difference between me an a minor... is that I'm not a minor. I have a career with good insurance and disposable income. And heres the kicker... it was still really freaking hard for me to get it all done! I still had to have a letter from a licensed therapist for both my top surgery and hysterectomy. And the hysterectomy required an additional letter from the surgeon stating that they'd gone over all the possible side effects and down sides (like not getting pregnant... which I personally view as a plus!). My Point is that its really hard even as an adult to get surgery, its really really really hard for a minor to get it. And when we call all persons under 18 "children" in the context of gender affirming care, it makes a lot of people think that actual children, like prepubescent kids, are getting surgery and it just isnt happening!
Children are getting surgery though, not pre-pubescent (although if they took puberty blockers then they will never pubesce) but children are getting surgeries done. I think as long as you're of or above the age of majority then it's all fine, but it's kind of irresponsible to pretend that there are fewer risks than there are. Yes, all procedures and surgeries have risks, but there's something weird happening when it comes to kids getting these surgeries.
I'd really like for the detransitioner rate to be low and get lower because from what I've seen it's a really traumatizing irreversible experience that nobody should have to go through. Once they're 18 and if they've gone through the proper prior steps such as living as the gender for 1-2 years, having therapy to rule out other issues, and are deemed well and healthy enough, _THEN_ by all means, go ahead! I just really feel for the detransitioners and I don't want more people to go through that.
Detransition'll happen regardless, but if it can be prevented at all, then it absolutely should be, at all costs.
Congrats on your transition btw!
@kindauncool maybe I wasn't clear. I meant that people think that prepubescent children are having surgery,but they aren't. And honestly, I wouldn't want my teenage cis niece to get a boob job anymore than I want a hypothetical trans niece to get one. I'm not advocating for minors having surgery. I'm saying it's not as easy as people think and not happening to prepubescent kids. And if they go on blockers, blockers are reversible. Stop them, and natal puberty starts up.
As for therapy... I think everyone who gets cosmetic surgery should have to go to therapy.
@@d_lynn421 It SHOULD be hard. There are a lot of people with a ton of mental issues. Should they allow anorexics to have liposuction over and over?
@@brockreynolds870it shouldn’t be hard for people to get the care they need. Also, why are you randomly bringing up eating disorders? That’s nowhere near the same as being trans. If you’ve pushed so hard for a surgery, PAID for the surgery, then you LEGALLY have to listen to the entire spiel to give informed consent. That’s how the dr’s office works for everything.
If a person with anorexia comes in asking for lipo, they’d be stopped and have a serious chat with a medical professional to get the care they need. If they’re underweight, they’ll be turned away. If it’s an overweight person with anorexia, and the surgery would LESSEN their EDs harmfulness, they should get it.
You aren’t a medical professional, you haven’t even looked into your random argument you’ve chosen. Let medical professionals do their fucking jobs on assessing what’s best for people on a person to person basis. You’re removing all nuance from an extremely complex situation.
@@urgae9125 eating disorders probably bc they think all mental health conditions are the same . ah yes because depression and autism are totally the same thing because they share the same symptoms !!!!!!!!! /s
Children are NOT allowed to have a breast reduction done under the age of 18. I have a 17 year old daughter who suffers from bulging disks and it’s debilitating! We have been to multiple doctors and have been turned down. For almost 2 years now. So that is not a true statement.
Finally someone with knowledge and not conjecture!
I'm sorry to hear about your daughter's issue, I hope all goes well in the future.
One thing though, people are no longer considered children legally or medically the moment they begin puberty. Since conservatives are attacking using "children" as a weapon, we should all strive to use the word correctly.
Hope you don't see this as an attack, I'm bad with tone via text.
@@Chaos-._I would think they are out of the children category after puberty has ended.
@@lizicadumitru9683 Puberty ends at different rates, just as it starts at different rates. Sometimes people don't start puberty until later than others, which would mean that their puberty lasts longer than others.
Plus if the "children" category lasted until the end of puberty, there would be no adolescents at all, there would be just children and adults. That doesn't make sense.
There is too much of a difference between a 5-year-old and a 15-year-old to have them under the same category.
@@Chaos-._ I had to look up the word adolescent and you are quite correct. I retract my statement in theory but I will leave it in the comments. Of course I don't call the shots, my comment wasn't meant to be taken as such; hence the "I would think."
My biggest issue with Blaire is that she emits this aura where you can tell she thinks she’s automatically the best person in the room. Anyone who doesn’t kiss her ass is the devil in her eyes.
it’s peak narcissism pretty much. she reminds me very much of the mean girls in highschool that were awful to everyone
@@moe5091 I’ve actually said that she strikes me as the kind of person who wanted to be the high school mean girl but hasn’t transitioned yet, so now she’s using her 30’s as a way of enacting her mean girl fantasies. I really don’t think people would dislike her as much as they do if it weren’t for her nasty, catty attitude; but she continues to blame her conservative opinions for the reason no one likes her as a way of radicalizing her predominantly conservative audience.
@@nixuniverse5240 she uses the fact that she could afford so much surgery and work to fully present as a women, to put down and belittle other trans people. i know trans people who would kill to have that. like i said in another comment, she’s the uncle ruckus of the trans community
@notville_ Yeah 42% that’s the amount of energy your m0ther left when I bent her over the coffee table last night.
Dude I'm somebody who people say this about all the time, I definitely speak the way Blaire does, and I swear I am never trying to be arrogant, I'm just confident in my beliefs. I hope (and kind of expect) other people to be EQUALLY as confident in their views. I love it when people match my energy and fight me on my points and let me fight back until we reach a consensus (or agree to disagree). I assume that she's like this, too.
It really sucks that people view people who speak like us in this way though, because I promise you I'm trying to work on it but nobody can tell me specifically what it is, so it's difficult. I'm also always listening to what other people say, they just have to _keep_ telling me why I should be on their side and give me comebacks for all of my comebacks in order for me to fully switch stances. Once they've convinced me, I'll totally be on their side, but I'll fight tooth and nail until they can.
I swear it is not out of disrespect, but rather out of respect for the person and their views. I'm letting you analyze your beliefs as I'm analyzing mine, win-win! That's how I see it.
8:52 blaire "i do (listen to trans women) all day, i am right now!!" she says while interrupting someone LITERALLY THAT SENTENCE LMAAOOO
blaire truly does not let blossom get like, two sentences out without interrupting her throughout the whole video. then she’s like “oh wow you need to calm down” when she literally has been interrupting this poor woman for so long, driving her to be angry. blaire is ridiculous.
@@he.said.teenjiejer i know, its so unfair. and then when someone gets upset and angry and get kinda of intense with expressing it because theyre fed up, people use that against them like "oh look how angry and immature and not in control of your emotions you are." now THAT type of shit makes me furious.
That is still not an excuse to threaten someone
@@Angel-br8xq what are you talking about? nobody is threatening anybody. im just talking about someone getting pushed and interrupted so they begin expressing their points in a more passionate, emotional, maybe angry sounding way. even if theyre saying totally logical, fact based things, they still get smeared for being emotional.
@notville_ way to delete your shitty outdated ass "40%" comment in the other comment thread i started lmao
I’m Agender. I use the gender neutral restrooms if they are available, if not I use whichever restroom is the cleanest. I’m glad to live in a state/area where no one really cares. You’ll get weird looks sometimes, but it’s rare for you to get harassed here because some of the allies are very protective or will get physical if they need to.
AHA! AGENDER!!! me too
@@tegul_buna^^^
Ayyy agender gang!
Lots of Agender folk here. Love to see it.
Same. I'm agender and I gave birth to 4 kids and I'm 40 years old. So basically my pelvic floor sucks. When I gotta go, it's an emergency. I use the nearest available toilet and don't usually pay attention to the markings on the bathroom door. People give me weird looks sometimes but I pee, wash up, and leave. Zero efffs given.
Before Jubilee made the rule that you can't talk over other people, this video was really fucking stressful. It's obvious Jubilee doesn't really care.
the comment Blaire made about muslims killing trans people makes me so mad, as a trans man ive dated a pansexual muslim man and many of his friends became my friends too. can we stop the terrorist stereotypes please.
It’s not a stereotype smh. when you’re going to another country and fighting another country,if they find out you’re trans that’s worse for them. Stop caring about your feelings and actually care about the facts.
She was obviously talking about muslims living in extremist countriest during war, not muslims who live in the west and in some cases grow up in the west. Neither did she say "all muslims." I don't agree with Blaire on a lot but this actually happens to trans people. Some extremist muslims who live in religious muslim countries don't see trans people as deserving to live. That's just a fact.
When did she say that?
Go date a pansexual muslim man in Palestine and live to tell, is that a lie?
Hi there, I'm a muslim living in egypt. From my personal experiences I can tell you as a fact that trans people's lives are threatened in the middle east. Just queer people as a whole aren't safe here. Many of the people I know regularly talk about how they hate queer people, and as a queer man its definitely not pleasant to hear. The younger generation is typically more open minded, but young boys will often still be very homophobic going as far as to state they would kill gay men. Your pan muslim partner is one of the good ones, though.
People are so weird about bathrooms. I'm a cis woman and at my college all of the bathrooms were gender neutral. They just had signs up specifying if there's urinals or only stalls. The only issue was seeing cis men not wash their hands after using the bathroom! 🤢
As a teenager, I was really butch and looked like a little boy. Got a lot of weird looks in the women's restroom. Even though I look really femme now, I feel more comfortable in gender neutral bathrooms, because people just mind their own business :)
Yeah, that whole "here's what we have here" works and why we don't need to do more than change the "women & men" to more than "stalls & urinals"
I really don't understand this logic though... if someone is planning on harming someone in a women's bathroom, a sign above the door or like, whether trans women or nonbinary people are allowed in there isn't going to stop them. Policing bathrooms based on how "female" you look hurts everyone and helps no one. Like even if you don't care about trans people (which would be whack as hell for the record), you should care that plenty of cis women are being harassed because of this air of paranoia, just because they don't look stereotypically feminine or whatever. @@animationeditz5570
@@animationeditz5570yapping
I'm a cis woman but I just generally think urinals are gross. There's no flushing so the pee can just sit there, there's usually no full privacy (so it's easy to be creeped on), and they seem much messier than standard toilets.
@@starsiadraws Interesting. I'm a cis guy and they creeped me out as a kid. But as I got older, I realized how you barely need privacy to pee as a guy. Hence they just pull to the side of the road and stand there. Sure, you have that classic "side eye, chin up" meme, but it has never happened to me. Everyone just keeps their head down or up. You block 90% with your hands anyways.
But women need to squat down or sit, which is much more of a vulnerable position, you need privacy for that. Hell, I even tested it once when camping and shit made me feel so exposed it's crazy.
And most proper urinals have flushing and considering you never ever touch the urinal in any degree as they autoflush, I would say they are cleaner than normal toilets as you also don't have to worry about "poor aim".
Does blaire not realize how disrespectful her responses are..? She’s giving like. Highschool level retorts. “It CAN be..” *flips hair* Cmon now 😭
Also??? Good god when she goes “my eardrum” when she’s stopped from interrupting… he didn’t even raise his voice 💀 she’s such a mean girl!!
AND the only time she got interrupted was FOR interrupting someone. Is it entitled?? I feel crazy
Tbh I have a habit of speaking like her, but it's literally (I promise you, seriously) not out of disrespect. Some people actually just speak this way naturally. I am trying to get "better" at speaking the way other people like, but that's just how some people talk. It's really refreshing to see people return my energy though, bc it's like YOU GET IT!! I'M NOT BEING RUDE! Lol just an alternate perspective :)
don't forget she panders to specific crowd..
@@kindauncool I’m not necessarily talking about her tone (I have a tendency to sound “rude” as well) I mean the actual THINGS she’s saying and the context of why. She kept speaking over people and giving like. High school bully responses yknow?
The bathroom issue is so stupid. I'm a 14 year old transboy and i look much more masculine then feminine. I bind, have short hair and dress in hoodies and baggy shorts. My voice is low enough to pass for a cis guy who's voice hasnt dropped all the way. I dont go into the mens restroom because im too scared and also gross, and I don't go in the womens restroom because I will make people feel uncomfortable and possibly unsafe which is exactly what these people want to avoid, right? By forcing trans people to use bathrooms based on their gender assigned at birth, obviously trans men will be forced to use the womens restroom. I would rather see a trans women in a womens space then a trans man, because thats a womens space and Im sure the majority of women would rather see a trans women in their bathroom then a random 14 year old boy.
Youre not even old enough to be trans
@@MiaFaitht the hell do you mean?
I have the exact same issue because I look pretty masc most of the time but I don't always bind so that puts me in a strange predicament, because at first glance I look like a dude but at second glance its a little less obvious. But also I feel like some people can tell I'm not a dude and especially coz of SA and stuff I don't feel safe in mens bathrooms. But as too not feel creepy and freak other people out I don't use the women's. So where am I supposed to go? I think lots of women don't want me in their bathroom because they think I'm a man but according to conservatives thats the bathroom I'm supposed to use.
The 14 year old thinks she’s trans, sure. Get off of Tiktok girl
I seriously doubt anyone is going to feel unsafe because they see a little girl wearing hoodies and baggy shorts. The fact that you don’t want to use the men’s room because “it’s gross” is proof you have no business even using it. You’re literally just creating a problem out of nothing.
In my college we have bathrooms that are gender neutral and they just make the stalls all the way to the ground and everyone uses it just fine, actually a lot of people prefer that bathroom because it has the most privacy 🤷🏾♀️
All toilet cubicles should be like that. It's how they are in most countries, basically individual rooms.
I don't understand why in the USA you have weird cubicles with gaps in them for perverts
Of the two gender neutral restrooms I've had in my entire school career, people have gone to those more than the divided ones. The luxury of privacy is powerful.
I feel like excluding trans discussion from sex ed is like excluding punctuation from English.
THIS PART
cant get thru a jubilee vid without ppl yelling over the top of each other ☠
its not a jubilee video if there isnt some sort of yelling
@@SupraMan38 word
This happens way too many times. Jubilee directors suck at moderating discussions.
I’m not trans but people saying no child should have life altering surgery is dumb. I am disabled and my parents and I are planning to get the metal in my hips taken out. This is an elective surgery that would alter my pain and insecurity. Should I not be able to get that? It's the same besides the fact that trans-affirming care is LIFE-SAVING AND IMPORTANT.
because trans surgeries aren't good or healthy
@@MegaVega2007give us the sources, tough guy.
Are you trying to compare disability to trans?
@@LameBoyLee you can never appease the lgbt crowds omfg
@@MegaVega2007you might be stupid
I'm a Cis/heterosexual woman and I have 0 problems with whoever uses the women's bathroom. If you're in the women's bathroom you identify/present as a women, it's really not rocket science. I hate this talking point, it shouldn't be one.
SPEAK ON ITTTT
FRR blaire likes to emphasize sm about how she “listens” and wants to “protect” (cis) women but if you ask any cis woman (including myself) no one really cares THAT much;; public bathrooms are an icky and gross place anyway and most of us just want to get our business done and get out as fast as possible,, it’s such a dumb non-issue that gets brought up to derail discussion of actually important issues 😪😪
TRANS RIGHTS 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
Amen, I'm not paying attention to ANYONE in the bathroom, I'm focusing on getting tf outta there and that's it. Use the bathroom folks
Ok keyword present tho . If someone looking like Alexander walked in the women’s bathroom I’d be uncomfortable. Blossom Sarah or Blaire on the other hand I wouldn’t have a problem with because they present as women
I'm non-binary, and no matter how I feel, I'm uncomfortable. I bind my chest way to much because experiencing my female body makes me want to rip off my skin, but I wouldn't feel better as a male. if I were born with male genitalia I'd feel the same. I honestly don't know if I'll ever be comfortable?
i hope you can feel comfortable some day! and i hope youll be able to get top surgery! as non binary people we are excluded so much. at this point im just going to confuse people more on purpose loll
I’m in the same boat as you. I wish this was discussed In the julibee video
@cerys113 I often hear that we don't count, or get excluded from conversations. The thing is that it's important to bring up the in-between in the topic because just a few years ago I didn't know what I was. I only just recently accepted myself as a nonbinary being under the trans umbrella. I used to say I wasn't Trans cuz I was made to believe that what I was going through was nothing like what my "friends" were. Gender and Transgender are important to inform people of, as well as where you could lie if you feel neither way. I've also heard "Oh you're just Enby cuz you're too scared to fully Transition." Which is also wrong.
God this is so relatable, but at this point I think it’s probably a mental health issue and therapy could help? (Said as someone experiencing the same and on a waiting list for therapy lmaoo)
You're just attention seeking. You dont have gender dysmorphia you have body dysphoria which isnt trans
as a nonbinary person i just piss outside 👌👌👌
good job! i piss on the floor in establishments
@@SupraMan38 good. be a public nuisance
As a nonbinary person, same
I believe I struggled with being nonbinary without knowing what it was. I’m 46. I’ve felt in between most of my life. It’s weird now to learn about those things about myself.
No you‘re not, what you‘re experiencing is normal for every single human out there. No woman out here 100% behaves like the 1900s stereotype. It‘s simply human to have different interests, some that aren’t plain stereotypes (like having pink as favorite color, liking barbies, makeup, shopping, etc. you don’t have to like all that to be a woman, that’s incredibly stupid)
You didn’t know what non binary is because it hasn’t existed until tiktok showed up and children became obsessed labels, with being anything except male or female, because that’s just „too normal“
When I was a young girl in Kindergarten, I only had boys are friends, had dino toys, dressed like a boy and wasn’t girlish in the slightest. How can one be more in between? Yet I‘m still a woman. Interests don’t change your gender
You‘re not non binary, you’re normal
@@taki7546there is so much wrong with 1) you telling someone else who they are and 2) essentially saying being nonbinary is abnormal and anything else is "normal".
@@taki7546is Min Yoongi your pfp?
Imagine being a homophobic bts fan lmao couldn’t be me
As a non-binary person the fact that they think being non-binary is a "costume" and that we can take it off is so ignorant. Just because a non-binary person presents as masc, femme, or androgynous does not mean that it is not our identity just as much as it is Blairs identity as a Trans woman. No ma'am that is our identity. Also dysphoria extends beyond what's in your pants. The literal definition of dysphoria is "a state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with life." I feel dysphoria over the fact I grow facial hair/extra body hair. It's so sick to gatekeep the idea of "dysphoria" behind genitals.
100% we all struggle with similar feelings and we have to start respecting eachother and Blaire and others like her who are so wrapped up in politics fail to see they're falling into a huge trap of global division and distraction. They miss the point and they tend to resort to attacking others instead of realizing the obvious similarities and compromises. That goes for leftists and right wingers
Yeah it’s so strange. As a trans man my dysphoria is opposite yours- mine has a lot to do with not growing facial hair and not easily building upper body strength. My biggest dysphoria lays in my chest, and at the moment I couldn’t care less about my genitals. Dysphoria is more than what people tend to get surgery for, and it’s sad that other trans people just don’t understand that!
So if it’s a different disphoria, wouldn’t be a different category? Just like gays and bisexuals, they have similarities but it’s a different category
isn’t that just body dysmorphia
Thats not a gender dysporia, its body dismorphia. People have had to go through insecurities regarding their body atleast one in their life time. You are mixing the two up. I as a women has had quite body insecurities but would i call myself to be gender disporic no i dont i suffer frm body dismorphia. Have u ever felt u have been born in the wrng body, felt confused as to why u feel that way.
Can u explain me wht exactly is non binary because i am now confused?
A point I’d like to continue on that Sam kinda made is the fact that if a man wanted to harass a woman in the bathroom, then he’d just go into the women’s bathroom. You can actually look up these situations and see that they happen, they’re not pretending to be women or anything, they just walk into the restroom, that’s why women usually go in groups to begin with because men can literally just walk into the restrooms if they want
Yea they would just do and and what if they just say they are trans and they didn’t do it and trans would explain why they were in there and it that point it’s their word against each other. It is a cover up
Do you hear yourself. So just because of that instances. Woman are already at risk at times and now you want to make it legal that perhaps all those creepy people can use to hurt us. We wouldn't be able to say anything because they identify as woman. The whole point of it all is because people are now doing self ID which means anybody could walk in. And you know what even when that does happen,, when it does happen people know that it's wrong and just because it happens doesn't make it right. The exception is not the rule, the exception that well men walk in anyways why is this any different. Think of your mother, sister and young girls..........I don't suppose people even do this in their own homes what makes you think that girls would be comfortable using the restroom with an estranged man, could be anyone right.
yeah and also, their argument falls flat when you consider that they are putting laws in forcing people to use the bathroom of their birth sex. meaning actual trans men have to use the womens bathroom. under those laws, these predatory men supposedly dressing up as trans women could just walk in casually and say they are a trans man and be like "sorry, legally i have to use this bathroom" and it would be even easier to do. yet do we see this happening in states with these laws? no. stuff like this happening is actually such a rare occurrence, it's insane how everyone is so freaked out about it.
12:03 blaire is so beyond frustrating. whether or not she agrees with the validity of non-binary people, the fact is that they still fall under the umbrella of transgender persons. she is so arrogant and narcissistic and self-aggrandizing that she doesnt even realize she is inserting her own opinion as the baseline truth for the conversation
@@NellyhappyseekerBut the definition of trans is essentially not identifying with your assigned gender at birth, which applies to non-binary people. They were assigned male or female but do not identify as such, thus, trans. Just because it's not the exact same experience as a binary trans person doesn't mean they don't fall under the trans umbrella.
@@Nellyhappyseekerare u nb? ooh?? u arent? then sthu. i literally have gender dysphoria and im nonbinary? if thats what u people think DEFINES transness arent i trans?
@@LunaBoo12literally
@@LunaBoo12 But as she explains in the video..that definition of being trans was not the original definition commonly associated with Transsexuals, and that definition of being trans was developed under Queer Theory. Therefore saying that a non-binary person would fall under trans since they identify outside of their gender assigned at birth is technically true…but only under a certain definition, one that she doesn’t think should be used. I explained this poorly but in simple terms, the definition of being trans changed to become transgender instead of transsexual, and thus an umbrella was formed; however, she rejects this idea of classifying people under the umbrella as trans due to their varying experiences.
@@wigglewaggle3606 I mean, Blaire has every right to disagree with the definition and think it shouldn't be what it is, but that is the definition. Language evolves, definitions change, that's just how it works. She's huffy about it because she only thinks people who medically transition are truly trans, but most trans people and allies agree that non-binary people who want to use the trans label are valid in doing so.
as a nonbinary person (?) i have had those feelings of gender dysphoria and probably would have detransitioned if i was forced to fully be the opposite gender. I have these issues i cant talk about and want a place to express myself without judgement
Non binary people also experience gender dysphoria, and it was infuriating watching that people say "it doesn't exist". Our problem is that we disagree with our agab BUT! we also don't want to be the other gender! That's why we are non binary!! That's why most of us don't transition and use other cosmetic options to mask ourselves, or just get top surgery and that's it! It's not that hard to understand, guys! We just want to exist a third option and be out of the binarism!!
@@animationeditz5570
“there is no binary” then “man or women” in the same sentence. 😂 ironic isn’t it?
But didn’t the nonbinary person in the video say they don’t have gender dysphoria? It sounded to me like they were describing body dysmorphia and used the wrong terminology
Sounds like you're not a trans person... first of all, how do you get gender dysphoria towards being not male nor female? How? How do you even understand what its like to be neither? There is no neither. The closest you get is androgynous, which is both male and female aesthetics. Furthermore, trans people well... they... TRANSition. How can you say you're part of being trans when you don't actually go through being trans? It just sounds like you're lumping anyone with gender dysphoria into the trans label even though clearly these are distinctly different things. There's no way to be 'out of the binarism' because your escape from binarism is really a misunderstanding of being both feminine and masculine at the same time, which is why people such as Sasha look like a feminine man.
Trying to exist outside of the factual binary reality and trying to replicate the other side of the binary are two VERY different things.
@@EmberFlames_Jag Exactly what I'm saying. They are not the same thing at all
I cant stand her. What changes between the day before your 18th birthday and the day after? Absolutely nothing. If a 16-18 year old has been through the process of a general physician, endocrinologist, therapy, more therapy, potentially blockers, maybe hormones, and then talks of surgery, they KNOW what they are doing. They know what everything that is happening. I have never heard of a 12 year old that got top surgery. The youngest ive ever seen even get a consultation for top surgery was 15.
Also in states that allow minors to go through the process of pre surgery HAVE to have PARENTAL CONSENT.
Have to disagree. Minors should never ever be able to make the decision to permanently alter a part of their body. If you want to get top surgery, by all means do it after you are an adult. Lets talk about the people who walk in and the same day get put on hormones? Plus on the topic of parental consent, lots of doctors will immediatly go to "would you rather have a dead daughter or a living son" basically giving parents an impossible ultimatum. I'll agree on many things when it comes to youth transgenders, but surgery is not one of them.
@@zanev3643She lies through her teeth and spreads misinformation, throws shit at the wall and hopes it sticks. The MOST frustrating part is that it works, as a gay man, I could NEVER imagine having a fan base strictly of homophobic conservatives the way she, a trans woman, has a fanbase strictly of transphobes. She's truly disgusting
"If a 16-18 year old has been through the process of a general physician, endocrinologist, therapy, more therapy, potentially blockers, maybe hormones, and then talks of surgery, they KNOW what they are doing."
...If a 16-18 year old has been through all of this they are already in a family situation where they're probably never going to be okay. Seriously, read through this again; a 16 year old on fucking hormones and surgery?
You guys downplay this like it's normal and then get angry when we show disgust at how you look at children. I was riding bikes with my friends when I was 16; if you have a trans parent when you're 16 you're at the hospital at all day while they talk about cutting your genitals off.
@@johnnysupreme5718 I can tell you're ignorant by the "cutting your genitals off". That's not how it works, at all..
Back in highschool (I was about 15 at the time) I was coming to with my sexuality and sexual orientation. I was very into makeup, and I was fixing my eyeliner (as a cis male, in the men's restroom). Some kid came in and said that it was the boy's restroom. I finished up my eyeliner, looked at him in the eyes, told him I am a boy, and left.
the bathroom issue is so bizarre to me. the problem is predators, not trans people. it’s stereotyping and generalizing an entire community because of a small percentage of people instead of addressing the whole issue.
the way blaire doesn't even have the decency to let people talk and finish their sentences says enough about her for me tbh. She's so hateful
its so annoying like….ur in a debate, not on ur yt channel. other ppl are allowed to talk blair tyrant😭
nah because she interrupted blossom a thousand times then acted taken aback when she got angry. she’s insufferable
@notville_Oh so you're just...like this?... Also you're on Sam's video, his hour long video, where he defended the ppl Blaire was attacking... pretty sure he cares babe
She’s way better than Blossom, but decency only matters when they’re conservative I guess. Your bias is showing
@@HugeniaCooney blossom was clearly angered from being spoken over by blaire like, fifty different times. i’d get pissed too
Why is it so common for anti trans folks to say "if you think teens can consent to medical procedures then that means they can consent to anything"? It is weird
It seems to be different in the USA but in the UK you can consent to medical procedures at a pretty young age as long as you're deemed competent. They call it Gillick competency. I had a slightly dangerous spinal operation when I was 13 which I had to consent to at 12. Even if my mum didn't want me to have it, it wasn't up to her.
The US seems to have a slightly different culture where children are seen as 'owned' by their parents.
(Controversy here in the UK is that they generally don't apply that rule to transgender folk)
@@NellyhappyseekerBlair is
Because it's the truth. It's a slippery slope. Children right now exist in a social state where they're expected, both legally and socially, to wait until they're adults to do certain things that could be harmful so that their minds and bodies can fully mature. We don't let them drink, smoke, do drugs, have sex, or have cosmetic surgeries; because they can't rationally process the long-term consequences of doing these things and puberty especially is a very rough time where a person isn't thinking about their overall health and wellness.
@@jcardboard a majority, of European countries are now pulling back on the whole transitioning kids
@@jessicagillLasVegas not due to actual medical evidence but due to political reasons
You absolute tool
I’m non-binary and my friend is non-binary, I can confirm I’m not real, I’m a hologram, a npc even
Ah, a fellow npc
@@TiredBirb490 hello traveler
👹I'm in your head👹
@@Seek99_06 woah there
Not what Blaire said, stop being an attention seeker
As a doctor in the military (not working primarily with trans soldiers, but I have worked with several), the only people who knew what they were talking about were interrupted and talked over by people who clearly didn't. People who aren't military usually have no idea how the military healthcare system works and it's pretty embarrassing how confidently they spoke on this.
That is why the participants should've let Sara speak first and listened to her.
Always the way in these so called debates, the most pushy and manipulative in the room get their say, quite often Jubilee brings on those who are professional debaters who have had lots of practice against novices or people who are not used to debating on the other side.
I’m a ciswoman but I’m very masc and will occasionally get misgendered. I’ve always used the women’s restroom since I am a woman but I get a lot of anxiety that people are gonna think I’m a creepy dude or are gonna tell I’m in the wrong bathroom but it’s like I just wanna pee
It's amazing how the whole terfy movement of "keep women safe" is actually doing the opposite and discriminating against cis and trans women
still willing to bet you look like a woman
Fr. Before I came out as a trans guy I still had short hair, and even then I was panicking that someone would think I was a creepy dude in the bathroom.
One of the worst thing Blaire did is put trans women at risk for cancer. She tried to say trans women can’t get cervical cancer, and cut out a part of the article she showed saying they can if they got bottom surgery. Disgusting.
I think she got called out on that in other videos... but yeah, the damage has been done.
Do you have a link? Sounds kinda like bullshit when trans women don’t… have a cervix…
@@BigMastah79 The tissue can still be there my guy
It's like saying men can't get breast cancer.
@@anothercub6958 Could you not be an asshole and explain it? Does bottom surgery for Trans Women involve the implantation of cervical tissue?
@@BigMastah79 Could you not be an asshole and look it up yourself? I'm matching your energy my guy. It's the first google search result if you ask if trans women can get cervical cancer.
They can because there are some bottom surgeries that do involve making a cervix. You would know that if you looked it up yourself or took the time to learn anything or read OP's comment.
It literally says that they can get it from getting bottom surgery. If the tissue/cells implanted function as cervix cells and tissue, you can get cervical cancer. If x-cell or body part is now a part of your body, you can get cancer there, what a surprise! Did you think that bottom surgery was just slapping on dead skin to the genital area and calling it a day?
It's almost like cancer is indiscriminate and can happen to ANY living cell on a living creature.
A few words on the doctor segment:
1). Vanderbilt has not had any legitimate trans care scandal. I received my care through Vanderbilt for years and was not immediately given HRT lmao.
2). The people who were saying they were given HRT in a single appt started transition over a decade ago. The practice has changed drastically since then for minors. When I started HRT 5 years ago, I had to see a psychiatrist and endocrinologist multiple times prior to receiving a prescription. In the present, access tl HRT is even more regulated due to national scrutiny. So, their arguments are based upon false logic.
Intriguing point as I was curious about their statements also 👍
The pure disgust on Sam's face when he hears Blaire talking is a whole mood
'Are there people trans because they're horny..?!' it killed me and I'm only at 3:33 in the video. I'm so ready
Edit : Sam did agree with her on some stuff, because a little part of what she said made sense. But she still said awful stuff and was outright disrespectful to some of the other guests. Like calling out "I thought there would be only trans people", saying that non-binary people weren't trans. Wich, spoiler alert, they can be. It mostly depends on if they do consider themselves trans of not. Anyways yeah, that was my edit.
It's bad to ignore valid talking points just because you don't like somebody. It prevents you from being able to hear truth when it's spoken. There are plenty of people I don't like- Matt Walsh, for example. (Holy God, he is so damn awful, I could go on and on) But, he has some points that are objectively true. Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens, both complete idiots, but, they do make the odd good point. It's important to let people talk and to listen so that you know how dumb they sound or when that broken clock is right.
@@kindauncool it's good to ignore talking heads who parrot misinformation 99% of the time. what, singular iota of "good point" material has matt said? what the HELL has come out of matt impregnating-teenagers-is-natural-because-they're-fertile walsh's mouth that you agree with? seems like you simply can't accept that the voices you're listening to are objectively bad influences, and the only justification you have is that they're not "completely" wrong (which, yikes. fr. gross.) and since you were happy to give some terrible examples, here's another one: hitler being able to tell you the "truth" about how 2 + 2 = 4 doesn't mean you should hear him out to find out what other true facts he knows. consider this an analogy for the people you've selected.
your writing style is giving immature and naive, so i'm seriously hoping you're a child. maybe you can still grow out of this. bootlicking republican pundits who call for the removal of trans people, gay people, and nonconforming identities is not a good look. and it's kinda uncool.
@@kindauncool lol no they don’t. You’re just trying to make it seem like you’re less bad than them.
You’re not.
Personally I spend my short life listening to people who make good points ALL THE TIME.
I think she's talking about autogynephilia. There's a lot of controversy around that term.
If I were Sam, I'd be repulsed by Blossom, Alexander, and Shane even more because of their narcissism.
As someone who extensively studies queer and trans theory in university, hearing the word transsexual made me JUMP. Transsexual is an outdated term that was CHANGED to transgender, and it's for some reason making a comeback in conservative circles as a way to try and divide the transgender community. In a way the word means "I'm more trans than you are because I got bottom surgery", and hearing it put like that it is OBVIOUS why it was changed in the first place. Blair speaking as though she knows anything about queer theory made me want to pull my hair out. Tf you mean trans people are a new thing that came about in the 70s?? No tf we weren't??? Trans people have been around, just like queer people, since the beginning of humanity. There are many cultures across the world -- I'll use North American Indigenous peoples in this example -- that actually had a coming of age ceremony where every one chose the gender they most aligned with, and often that it included a third option! Some indigenous communities even have four, five, SIX different gender identities! There's even recent evidence suggesting the discovery of a trans Viking, considering the fact that he was assumed male because of his burial clothes and the things he was buried with, but has a female pelvis. This idea of two genders and that trans people haven't been present throughout history is a concept that is not only incredibly euro-centric, it is also just factually untrue and a rhetoric pushed by widespread Christianity.
That’s really cool. Do you have any other neat things you learned? You don’t have to answer, I just like learning lol
@@TiredBirb490 oh nOOOOO now that someone has asked my brain decides it knows nothing. The only thing I can really think of off the top of my head is that The Portrait of Dorian Gray was actually used as evidence against Oscar Wilde in his sodomy trial - but the movies I watched about it when I was younger always made it seem like a really straight story, which is interesting
"North American Indigenous peoples communities even have four, five, SIX different gender identities! " When I did the logic or math to try and make an inclusive system, I came up with seven, but they are like compass points on a spectrum. It also appears to have to be 3D (or maybe more) to encompass the physical and gender identity. It really hurts the information that some of the terms are misused, poorly defined, the meaning drifted over time, or different theories used the same word differently in their system of explanation.
okay so this kinda has nothing to do with what youre saying but as a trans person, i identify more as transsexual not only to connect with the roots of “transgenderism” but also because im changing my sex characteristics to match my gender. i hope this makes sense haha
@@mattywren don’t worry, my brain does that all the time too lol. You can have enough knowledge to talk about something for hours but when someone asks about it all the knowledge kinda jumps out the window
blaire white has to have one of the worst cases of cognitive dissonance in human history
For REAL
@@Nellyhappyseeker girl go argue with someone else in the comments i'm tired
She can’t understand something when her salary depends on her not understanding it.
Yall scream narcissist, in an echo chamber
@@MikanVTuber And yall scream whatever your tiny pea brains can think of, throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks 💀. She is the walking definition of a narcissist, idk what you want from us sweetheart x
I ain't here to specifically trigger no one, but I know at least someone is gonna get triggered but facts are facts. Self ID trans people should not be allowed in female bathrooms. It is not a debate, this is ludacris. I stand with Blaire. She was actually so neutral on the bathroom thing. She was so detailed saying, "I'm not saying NO trans women in the women's bathroom, I'm saying NO self ID in the women's bathroom", the liberals were so triggered simply because they didn't agree with their way of extreme thinking. The part about Blaire saying "I thought this was a trans debate", she explained in her own video that they introduced themselves saying "As a non binary person" when the video is literally obviously about trans people. I'm not saying non binary trans people don't exist. I just mean it defeats the point of being trans since the whole point was to be the other gender. But to each their own. I simply think that if trans people want to be trans and proud that's totally fine, I have nothing against it. I wouldn't be rude or demeaning towards a trans person, gay person, non binary person... I just think it's not fair to drag everyone else into that bubble when we have nothing to do with your self image.
Definitely agreed, I thought this was common sense but I guess people just don’t like to see logic
Hi Sam, I am intersex non binary, and my wife is trans. She was able to get horomones online through Plume within a month for 100 dollars. I do agree with you in that i think people should be evaluated, as most arent educated on what path they want to take
You're very pretty :D
Woke hellhole
is it true that for intersex ppl, that your parents and doctors chooses what "gender" you are at birth by performing surgery? or is this an european thing
Hi, nonbinary person here.
I don't identify as either male or female. The thought of identifying as either makes me feel sick, anxious, and just dreadful overall. It's not just 'dressing how I want' etc. It's who I am. My state of dress doesn't determine my gender.
I get dysphoria over my body parts. They feel wrong and not what they should be, but I don't want to change them because having the opposite of what I have now gives me the EXACT same feeling I've already got. I know what I'd like my body to be, but it isn't possible for myself to transition medically.
Like mate, I'm nonbinary - whether I'm clothed, unclothed, in a dress, or in a t-shirt and jeans. I'm nonbinary if I just exist as I am now. I can't just 'take it off'. Just like a woman can't 'take off' being a woman, or a man can't 'take off' being a man.
Also, some nonbinary individuals do go through medical transitions, some just socially transition (like me), and some don't do anything end of. It's a personal choice.
Fellow enby here....And i feel some of this so hard and you writing all that out makes me feel so, so seen. Thank you. ❤
This is huge
I’m not non binary or trans at all but to be fair what you just described is different to what Alexander described. With Alexander they admitted to not getting dysphoria over their body parts (like their 🍆) and other things which you’ve just described. If this is what you experience then I don’t think Alexander has what you have. So I don’t think Alexander is actually non binary.
❤ Stay strong!! Honestly, the amount of transphobia makes us sick as a non-trans person..
@@Tom-iv3nd Actually, if you listen, Alexander didn't say they don't have dysphoria. They said they have their experience and they also explained that they will be getting Facial Feminization Surgery. They don't get much of a chance at all to tell us about their experience. And, in the video, they are interrupted when they say "that doesn't mean I don't have dysphoria." In any case....we don't get to decide who is non-binary and who isn't. Just as we should never be the ones deciding who is transgender and who isn't. :)
I kind of hated the way one of the women said “what kind of gender dysphoria do you even have??” in reference to enby people. That was so rude and disrespectful and just dismissive of someone else’s experiences and honestly reeked of internalized transphobia. As an enby person, I can confirm that we are often just as vocal about our gender from a young age and we also experience gender dysphoria though it’s different for everyone. Even if our trans-ness looks different, it’s still part of being trans
Fellow enby demigirl, hii
like mf i am still dysphoric of the gender i was „born as“ and am seen as by my family?? just because im not mtf or ftm doesnt mean i dont have my own transition goals loll
She wasn’t doing it to be rude or disrespectful, she tried to ask that question multiple times (though got interrupted) because she was actually curious. If someone asking you a clarifying question about your experiences is threatening your experience than thats a different discussion.
I’ve also experienced a lot of gender dysphoria but not in the severe way that is described by the traditional Transgender experience. To be transgender at its core, is to have long term genital dysphoria (based on your assigned sex at birth), not just gender dysphoria(which most agree is different than sex) I still think everyone’s identities should be respected ofc, but to say they are the same just seems wrong.
@@wigglewaggle3606 I'm a bit less likely to conclude good faith in advance when someone is repeating the same propagandistic "question" I've heard a hundred times in the last week (from people who just keep asking the question once it's been answered). It's at the same level of discourse as "if humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes?"
"Do not interrupt a black trans woman"
How about not interrupting someone at all, like you do the whole time Blossom? Being trans and PoC neither gives you less rights nor more.
While blossom was rude as sometimes, Blaire was directly nasty. Her non-verbal communication was many level beyond disrespectfull. this combined with her bigotry against the nonbinary people. She is as mature as a 14 year old
@@simonpetersen8986 So are her "opponents".
@@sabinav.6127 you challenge me so know the time to put you on the grill.
1. Blaire white have a general problem having a problem with eye contact. she never look anyone in the eyes, so it seem. Maybe she just ADHD, but still a bad communication strategy.
2. Actively looking away from Alexander when they talk.
3. Interjecting with snarky comments, when Alexander comes with a vulnerable story of there life.
4. Using her hands to distancing herself from Shane when he talks about the military
5. Interrupts as much or even more than blossom, even after they have gotten instructions to stop.
Her mannerism is similar to a 14 year old girl who is addicted to cyberbullying the fat girl. Now she is caught and get a stern talking to. This is without even discussing her damaging opinions.
Blair was over 18 and she probably had to sign a age of consent form to get HRT. My son had to live as his true self for a year, see a therapist for so long and get a letter, he was also educated by the doctor and given information about testosterone, he had to make sure he understand the effects of testosterone. He was finally able to get T after over a year. He has trans friends and they had to go through the same process. He had a friend that was over 18 and to have a letter from a therapist and still had to sign a age of consent form 😂before they were able to get HRT. These people must not have gone to a gender clinic and went to a general doctor that didn’t know how the law in when it comes to trans people.
Same! I'm a trans woman in my 20's and just recently signed an informed consent form for hrt! Haha
And a majority of minors have to go through years of therapy and gender clinics and go on puberty blockers waaay before being able to go on hrt and especially receiving any gender affirming procedures.
Minors should still not be allowed to consent. If you allow them to do something that drastic then you might as well let them have sex, smoke, do drugs and get a tattoo cause why not right? Do y’all hear yourselves?
@@Dark-Wolf27 what part of this comment says they're against age of majority ? they literally argued how it's better for children to properly understand what it really means to transition before they grow, no one is saying minors hv as great a judgement as an adult
@@Dark-Wolf27that should be left for parents to decide. Get out of their family.
@@echoecho4590 I’m just saying it shouldn’t be allowed. If you allow that then theirs nothing you wouldn’t allow
Edit: I highly recommend reading @howdoyousocial’s reply to this, they’ve provided great insight and have helped me understand better!
I’m glad this comment section isn’t full of weirdos! Yesterday I saw Samantha Lux’s short on this very topic and was appalled at almost every comment being “Blaire is right, non-binary people aren’t trans.” Like I’m over here genuinely wondering what they are if they aren’t trans, cause they’re not cis
It took about a day for NominalNaomi's video on this topic to be swarmed, probably less. Only time will tell. But telling how rabid Blaire's stans are, I don't think they'll overlook anyone talking about this topic.
@@Chaos-._ That’s so upsetting. These people have way too much time on their hands
@@Harudodo It think it was pretty fast for them (Naomi) since they're a debate person. For Samantha Lux, a lot of Blaire's followers also followed her, or at least that was the trend I saw in the comments. People going "Samantha I love you but Blaire ate." And similar comments. That would explain why her comment section got flooded.
But bigots will be bigots I suppose, doesn't matter where or how.
They’re neither. They’re non-binary
@@laurenc9458
Non-Binary people are trans.
Being trans is by definition: "someone whose gender identity differs from that typically associated with the sex they were assigned at birth." Since no one is assigned non-binary at birth, literally every non-binary person fits within that definition.
Believe what you want, it won't change the truth.
blaire white on her own is already infuriating as a person but it made me actually angry how disrespectful she is. even if you dont agree with other trans people it doesnt mean you can be a cruel awful person to them
What did you think about Blossom?
+@notville_ please stop commenting this everywhere, this is weak bait that nobody wants to take. You're trying to derail actual discussion and it's just annoying. Everyone just ignore and report it as spam so it goes away.
Obviously you can’t except facts. Blair was one of the most honest people on that panel.you can disagree with me but she was attacked the whole video and they tired to bully her. She made good statements
Blaire was more respectful than the trio of bullies. You’re so ignorant 💀
Fr, Blaire will literally sit there and take it when conservatives call her a man to her face but gets instantly hostile when she's in a room with other trans people who disagree w her politics like wtf😭
can fully say as a non binary, I'm not trans at all.
a person can be trans and non binary, but not all non binary individuals are trans. multiple things can exist at once.
overall, the jubilee video could've been done better.
It's the poor casting call on the "liberal" side. Most of them are leftists, not liberals.
Oh wild, you were assigned non-binary at birth?
@@Chaos-._ see if you actually knew the difference gender and sex you wouldn't ask something so silly lol but sure
@@SomethingNewAMBW Doubt.
Edit: I do know the difference between gender and sex. Do you know what makes someone transgender? Not identifying as the gender you were assigned at birth. Since literally no one has been assigned non-binary at birth, every non-binary person is transgender.
Common sense has entered the chat, lookout they crazy here lol
They should have just called to this Blaire Argues with other trans people for no reason for 1 Hour
But then they'd have to find all the videos Blaires done this and put "Part []". That might take a while
Someone I know bragged that his nephew punched a trans woman though those aren’t the words they used, for looking like they were looking at other people at the urinals which they weren’t. So a trans woman who was forced in school to use the men’s room ended up being punched for it by the same people who say that’s the bathroom they have to use.
Happened to me back in the early 80’s and 90’s . I was born intersex with all the curves but my face didn’t match. When I was old enough to get into bars I got assaulted by guys thinking I was cis female from behind and I hung out mostly with all girls / friends. I wasn’t identifying as trans but my dysphoria was bad .
@@azarahwagner2749 That’s awful!
These people don't understand the difference between your identity and your expression. Being gender-queer in any capacity does not mean you look androgenous. You can still look like a man or woman, yet be non-binary, bigender, agender, or genderfluid etc. Also, Gender is seen as spectrum to these people, based on your personality or how you act, not necessarily how you dress or what body you have. It's insane how people can get caught up in nuisance and wording, when in reality they believe the same things. Also, the concern from top surgery, is regret. But banning younger people from top surgery doesn't solve this issue, without making more problems. And you can't guarantee no regret for yourself on any decision you make. You don't know who you'll be in the future, no one does.
i totally agree! the number of times i have been told im not non binary cuz i dont "look" non binary ( femme presenting) is insane
I found it strange how they are trans but dont know gender expression vs identity.
@@haku-joudaisama5421 these are the same people who say ‘save the tomboys’ yet when we’re presenting that way we’re called ‘not supportive women’
No one should endorse altering your body as a minor idc what kinda surgery it is, wait till you’re 18. There should be no extra conversation abt it. I am a literal minor myself, and I think no minor should ever have the right to change or modify their body PERMANENTLY. End of story.
I feel like there's an erasure that happens to NB people similar to that of bisexuals (yes I know pansexuality is a thing too).
I know this is probably me not understanding what you mean but by erasure do you mean lack of? I’m bisexual myself and so is a large portion of most people I meet. Not trying to seem contradictory, sorry, just interested.
@@plutoxzi What I mean is that a lot of gay and straight people don't view bisexuality as a valid orientation. Kind of akin to Blair White dismissing this nonbinary person as not trans. That the only binary trans people (that is trans men and trans women) are valid.
Which is why NB wants to be considered TRANS so bad, it's just narcissism
I actually see the whole trans and non binary thing similar to the whole bisexual and gay and lesbian thing. Like is being gay and bi the same thing, no it’s not. But certain movements such as legalising same sex marriage and adoption can help both groups thrive. Same with non binary and trans, are they the exact same, no. But legalising actions such as trans healthcare can help both groups thrive. I just think that being accepting of gender non conforming and non binary people (as well as acknowledging that they are not the exact same) in trans communities can help everyone.
My problem with the whole bathroom bill debate is that their focusing on the wrong thing. The issue that most people seem to be focused on is "women's safety" but that has nothing to do with trans-women or even who is/isn't allowed in the bathroom with them. It has to do with perverts, pedophiles, etc. being such a common occurrence in our culture, that opening up restrooms to anyone means women are in danger from them. We shouldn't be wasting time on trans people or even laws dictating who can and can't use a restroom, those are beside the point. We should be focusing on predators being such (again) COMMON thing in our society when THEY SHOULDN'T BE!!! Women being attacked and harassed, and children being targets of anything inappropriate SHOULD NOT be something that is common. And therefore the laws and discourse should be focusing on better ways to punish/deal with predators not trans/nonbinary people.
Maybe predators are becoming more common because it's become socially acceptable in liberal areas to be predatory towards children if you dress it up as a trans issue.
This, my friend, should be common sense. But what do we expect from those that rule over us that are legit rapists/pedos ? We'll be long gone when something about it gets done...
Plus i mean im a trans man im 26 now but came out at 16 and have used men toilets since the day i came out however i obviously used womens toilets for 16 years of my life and like i feel like i would have heard if men toddling into the womens toilets to assualt them was as big a problem as conservatives try to paint it as. Like im not saying it doesnt ever happen that does infact happen but its not like some super prevalent issue. Ive heard more about women being assualted in toilets now that i dont use those spaces than i ever did in the 16 years i used them lol
Yeah, you got bigger problems if "creep in a wig" assaulting people in a bathroom makes you say "ban all men in wigs"...
If you want to stay safe in a bathroom, you do so how you'd do in any: Carry a knife, pepper spray, or something. You can't really point at someone and say "Yeah, that guy's a rapist..."
I enjoy that Sam can agree with both sides at time AND when he disagrees and giving information he gives FACTS! 👏 Also as a nonbinary person, I identify as transgender because I’m not my born gender and I experience dysphoria personally, I enjoyed this video with all the interesting talking points 🫶
fr. and dysphoria doesnt even define someones transness. old bitter white girls like blaire just get pissed when her experience doesnt match everyone elses 💀
enbies unite
Exactly, that's why I think that he should debate with Blaire- they're both just as measured and just as motivated to find the truth, they're just on opposing sides of the political spectrum. They have honestly literally said the same things word-for-word several times, I'd LOVE to see them talk. He should reach out! She's not really known to turn down debates.
I can not really understand, how a person can be non-binary and trans at the same time. Doesn't trans mean that you change your body to feel like the other gender bc you do not agree with your born gender? And non-binary means you sometimes feel like a women and sometimes like a men.
So, I do not really understand how you can be both at the same time.
Maybe you can explain that to me bc I really don't understand it. 🤔
@@kindauncool i wouldnt love that. unless its in a coliseum.
So happy to see finally someone that isn’t a Blaire stan making a reaction video to this. I’ve seen a lot of people just shitting on the liberals and obsessing over the conservative opinion.
I like that we can say yes there’s some things the conservative opinion says that I agree with but the liberal opinion has been so degraded in this discussion. Everyone says it was a liberal biased discussion but I disagree. It seems the entire discourse after the fact is all biased towards the conservative side.
Yes; most of the reviews have come across as little more than cheerleading and for Team C. The most nuanced review I've seen was by a detransitioner. Ms Naomi's video was interesting too, dissecting the arguments from her own side that could have been better.
@@seto749 I just find it funny that Blaire thinks top surgery on a minor is the most disgusting thing a human can approve of, when she literally was best friends with minors who had top surgery as little as 4yrs ago. Made videos together all the time, supported them through their surgeries… showed the support that she now finds to be deplorable.
This character she puts on is for attention. Like Sam said, she doesn’t even fully lean right she just pretends she does to get the attention and approval.
I mean as someone who typically leans left I agree with a lot (but not all) of what Blaire says. I kind of wish they did middle ground in a different way (with some subjects). I think especially with this one it'd be interesting to see if they didn't expose who was conservative or liberal until after the debate (logistically this would be a bit challenging but just a thought). I think as viewers we would have to put our natural bias aside and see what we truly resonated with only to find out what "side" we agreed with the most.
It’s not biased against the libs lol, the conservatives were just better at explaining than the liberals.
@@b1acksol sorry wasn’t trying to say it was biased towards the liberal side. I was trying to say that the reviews of the videos seem to be all pro Blaire and biased against the liberal opinion. I agree that the conservatives were much better at communicating their opinion so it was hard to say the liberals did a great job here but I just wish both sides could show more respect towards each other. How is it possible that jubilee has done hundreds of middle ground episodes and never have they had to set ground rules in the middle of the episode because of all the of disrespectful behavior.
I love how Blair literally said you need surgery to be trans but when the nb person said they are having surgery she didn’t say anything
@@Fuckingoverit you don't get surgery if you don't have dysphoria lol so they obviously do, blaire insisted they weren't trans till the end
@@Fuckingoveritwell it's a good thing the NB person also is that. Blair constantly calling them not trans after they said they were was vile and disgusting.
@@connorfinnigan263the way I see it you can’t be non binary and also trans. Trans is literally switching from one gender to another but if your non binary then you don’t have a gender to transition too so yeah she’s right he shouldn’t have been in this debate
@@Dark-Wolf27 yeah but you still transition due to gender dysphoria from male or female to another gender state. Some take hrt as well.
@@connorfinnigan263 then your not non binary since their admitting that they are switching genders. I don’t understand how you can be both. That’s like saying I’m an asexual straight person like tf?
What I don’t understand is a 15, 16 or 17 year old can’t get hormones or top surgery because they are “too young” even though they have a voice and know themselves better than anyone else, yet it is perfectly fine for parents to mutilated their intersex infants or circumcise their infants against their will.
I think circumcision is mutilation unless it’s a medically necessary. Ei: having said foreskin is causing a health problem or causing pain or is in some way harming them. Then it would be ok to remove it.
My friend, Sammy, couldn’t get hormones until they were 18 because they were “too young” to know even though they were born intersex and had a surgery that “fixed” them and thus messed up their body to make them have to take hormones. Thankfully, their adoptive parents worked to help them get the healthcare they needed because their bio parents couldn’t “deal with” an intersex child.
Sammy is better now and identifies as gender fluid.
What makes me livid that 16 is the age of consent in a lot of states in the US, and 15 is (I think) the drinking age in UK, like... adolescents have the mental capacity to do that, but hormones? Nah, guess not.
I'm not even PART of the LGBT community and this pisses me off.
In most states the age of consent is 18. Lots of 15, 16, and 17 year olds know themselves to an extent, but I can say now as an adult that I am much different mentally than I was when I was younger. As for parents "mutilating infants against their will." For one, infants can not mentally make their own decisions, and two lots of time circumcision is used to prevent cancer, infections, std's, and cervical cancer in partners that male may encounter. Not sure how that point was supposed to make yours any less okay.
I feel for your friend, I truly do, and I think it's wonderful they are better now. However, I don't think a few experiences should be used as a basis to let kids remove parts of their bodies permanently. I get puberty blockers, but surgery for children is something I can not stand behind.
@@MerakiElysian If you're going to say things, please actually search them up first.
Age of consent by state, updated June 2023:
32 states - age 16
8 states - age 17
11 states - age 18
Really, all the frustrating incomsistencies to the age gates to things in the US are the results of parties doing some BS to serve themselves.
Military starts at 18 bc that's the youngest possible adult you can exploit.
There's even a push for the voting age to be changed to 25 and attacks on higher education just because there's some numbers out there showing college kids lean more liberally at those ages within those spaces.
@@johnnysupreme571815-16 year olds cant consent to sex with adults because of the inherent power dynamic 👍 unsure why you're bring up sexual consent when surgical consent is a completely different argument
Hi! Trans man about 3 years on T, I was able to walk into Planned Parenthood after I turned 18 and walked out with a testosterone prescription to then pick up at the pharmacy.
This model is called informed consent in gender affirming care (and it's used in other types of care, but I'm sticking with gender affirming care rn). They sat and talked to me about how I'd been feeling, then they described the effects testosterone would have on my body and made sure I understood everything, then I was able to sign a thick ass packet of papers and leave with a piece of paper that said I could get testosterone.
The idea is that an adult can walk in and be informed about the care they want to receive and they get to choose, because they are an adult, whether or not to go through with the medical intervention.
I get that it sounds crazy, but this model really saved my life. I came from an unaccepting household, where I was able to access counseling but I was denied gender therapy over and over because a parent did not believe that I was transgender but that I was having gender dysphoria from some kind of trauma I had as a kid. I was insistent and persistent about my gender identity from the ages of 14-18 so much so that the counselor who tried to convince me that I wasn't transgender eventually suggested to me that I see a gender therapist. I told my parent and they freaked out and denied it again.
I was absolutely certain about my gender identity for years, began cutting my hair shorter and shorter, getting a binder on my own in secret and wearing it every day, and basically living full time as a boy without actually being out and everyone still referring to me as a girl. The only thing that kept me hanging on during those years was the idea of informed consent. I knew that, no matter what, my unaccepting parent couldn't keep me from getting the care I wanted anymore at 18 and that I would finally be able to start living.
So that's what I did. Without the support of any of my family (relying on myself and close friends to help me) I went to one of the only planned parenthoods in my home state that was located 6 hours from my home town, walked into that clinic, and walked back out with my testosterone prescription.
It's the best thing I've ever done. I was finally able to grow into the person I was meant to be, and 3 years later I'm still standing with hardly any dysphoria anymore and a future I can actually imagine. I'm 21 now, I never imagined a future where I lived this long. I couldn't see anything in my future because I was unable to live as the person I was meant to be.
In my home state, gender affirming care was really hard to find, including gender therapists. And with me living in a town with a population of 3,000 people, you can imagine there weren't many local mental health professionals, let alone gender specialists. Even if my parent had been accepting all the way through, there's a strong chance that we wouldn't have been able to access gender therapy for me anyways.
Informed consent was the route I chose because I had been parsing over my gender for 4 years and I was certain of who I was. I didn't want another hoop to jump through before testosterone because just getting that took a couple months of preparation on my end. Multiple visits with a gender therapist, before virtual care really popped off post-COVID, wasn't viable for me. Maybe I'm a special case, but I've heard other trans people who never detransition who speak glowingly of the informed consent model. I believe, also, if they deem that you're not in a good frame of mind at your appointment that they will not allow you to access care, but I may be off there.
Sorry for leaving a whole essay about my transition in your comments section, but I wanted to bring forward a more positive story for the informed consent model because it really, truly, saved my life.
Thanks for sharing your experience
literally my life written out. did the same thing. i would have been in a very bad place without low-dose T i could get to easily. im enby. soul trapped in a meat suit.
Some of the people in these comments have read educated replies and went the complete opposite direction. At least they’re here to boost the algorithm.
Editing my comment to add some thoughts as I get through the video lmao
Sasha is such a trooper for sitting next to Blaire 🫡
Blaire not “clicking” with non binary people is because of HER not because of them. She talks over everyone so much and is so rude that no wonder someone doesn’t click with her.
I HATE how conservative trans people make being trans only about it being a medical condition. Like it’s so much more than that, it’s core to so many people’s identity.
This comment fucking activated me. I just flashed back to other videos where Blaire does the same thing and uses her negative experiences with other LGBTQ+ folk to make people join her side.
Thinking about it now, it's gross how her feelings of exclusion from other LGBTQ+ people are so central to her online personality. Especially because she is so clearly the problem here being the common demoninator.
Sounds like a you problem, blaire was threatened by blossom (threatened physical violence) you'd be pissed too! Re-center yourself
Blair said she has no problem with bow anyone identifies...bit it was a trans debate. Alexander is not trans
TBF, I don't think having something like that make a considerable portion of your identity is necessarily healthy or good. It's similar with people making their race or sexual orientation or hell, even music taste into their entire personality.
@@veilbreak5867friendly reminder: non-binary is under the trans umbrella :D
The way Blair reacts when people who don't side with her speak is so infuriating to me. She genuinely doesn't care about their arguments all she cares about is debunking them rather than listening & challenging her beliefs.
You mean blossom right? Cause Blaire was actually able to shut up and listen unlike blossom who had her “blackness” privilege to speak without being interrupted
you literally spelled Blossom wrong
You should see blaire's side.of the story
She thinks she's the ultimate authority on everything trans
@@Infinitejules she really does
The only time i have seen men dress up as women to use the restroom is conservatives trying to make it a thing that happened. Stephen CROWDER
It wouldn't be the first time for them fabricating situations and "evidence" either.
Your reaction is so biased against Blair and her team. A lot part of the video where it showed how embarassing and aggressive the Liberals became (which can be observed on the entire video) were cut out. lol. Blaire single-handedly ate the Liberals on this debate. The Liberals, Blossom to be specific embarrassed herself.
The rhetoric that non-binary people are not trans is so dangerous like for me personally it has harmed me in medical settings when I was inpatient in a psychiatric facility the staff refused to recognize that I am trans.
Maybe cus you ain't trans?? Being trans means TRANSitioning to the opposite sex, TF you transitioning to if you nonbinary 😭 there only two gendas my brotha they ain't no third genda. I'm a women and always will be a women !!!!! Jus cus I'm masculine don't mean I'm done nonbinary blue hair pronouns bullshit
@@yvettezilla Being trans is by definition: "someone whose gender identity differs from that typically associated with the sex they were assigned at birth." Since no one is assigned non-binary at birth, literally every non-binary person fits within that definition.
Yep this enbyphobia is what has me scared to come out to several doctors and has severely impacted my sterilization journey. Apparently “I don’t want kids ever and it’s my body” isn’t enough for a hysterectomy but GRS is. The problem is I’m too scared to tell the doctor I’m non-binary and feel dysphoria over my period because it’s always met with “what’s that” or straight up invalidation. It feels worse coming from within the community though. Like I thought we were all trans rights but I guess enby folks don’t count to half the people saying that.
Someone brought up in the video about it being an umbrella & having surface level understandings. I have a personal example here lol. I am nonbinary ID-ing & trans ID-ing. The point of something being an umbrella is that its complex in a way @ blaires point. Trans in itself is already confusing for a lot of people. Anyways, my gender expression is gender non conforming. This is inherently nonbinary & its not a 3rd gender & against gender stereotypes like he says in the video. I can also see how it confuses people lol. But i am also a trans man or trans masc. :)
@@Chaos-._ great point too!
As someone who is nonbinary bad discussions like that are what have made it so hard for me to figure out my identity. For a long time I didnt consider myself trans and still struggle with label.
I never thought i was "trans enough" as an afab nonbinary person who still presents fem. Its really hard to figure out yourself when other people are so mad that youre even trying to
You’re a girl
@@rhymerlegend2717youre worthIess and embarrassing
You can be non binary, no one has an issue with that. You just cant be trans if you don’t consider yourself either gender since transitioning genders is what being trans is all about
@juancoronado3736 I am though, nonbinary is a gender. Though I present fem, I am not a girl, but once identified as one, resulting in a mental/social transition. Trans-ness is not exclusive to the two genders we made up a long time ago. I transitioned away from the binary. "Nonbinary"
@@jeandunham1363 but wouldn’t you still just be non binary? I’m not trying to be offensive I just don’t get how someone can be both trans and non binary when they don’t seem the same
Cannot get over rude blaire is to random strangers lmfao
They act as if they can’t go back easily with top surgery? Like you can’t put implants back in or take them out??? Maybe I’m confused
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's not reversible. Appearance wise possibly since you can have breast implants, but functionally I believe is not possible
@@emopotato2421 ohhh okay I get it. I mean idk if it’s different for trans people but I got breast implants and it doesn’t change the functionality of my boobs
“But if you love Sam you’re gonna treat them how they feel comfortable” not exact to what you said but yesss. My best friend of 15 years came out as none binary and recently their new name. And to say the least I am so excited that they feel comfortable enough in me and themselves to take this step. People always ask me “oh so your supporting your friend cutting their body parts off?” Well that’s not really my business if they want to remove something?. I trust my friend in their choices and I support them and will always lend a hand if needed in finding safe things. Just because I don’t fully understand what their going through doesn’t mean I’m going to end a friendship that has lasted pretty much my whole life.
Omg beware… lmao
HIIII
I had a psych teacher in high school that was head of our GSA. Jump ahead 15 years and he's a Jordan Peterson fan. He seemed to be accepting of trans men and women, but dismissed nonbinary as being part of a subculture like punks or goths. If I ever see him again, I'll be cordial to him, but I lost a lot of respect for him when he said that.
I'm a trans guy, I was out for one or two years before I went on T through informed consent with planned parenthood due to MO trying to ban all trans healthcare.
It was one appointment, and I got my perception that day. I went informed consent because the closest trans clinic to me has a long wait list, and I had been on it for a year and a half.
I don't think informed consent for adults is a bad thing. I view informed consent for trans people as a reason we need more funding for trans healthcare and a reason we need better healthcare in the US.
I interject this hour of heated debate to proclaim my love for Sasha. We stan. Tyvm have a nice day 🙃
YESS ive been waiting for my dose of sam Collins. i like ur hair btw
thank u :D
Imagine if they cared this much about banning what actually harms children: fucking guns.
I'm nonbinary-trans masc...and buddy I had INSANE gender dysphoria growing up...I had constant intrusive thoughts about harming certain parts of my body. My mom would tell me not to do certain things (like sleep in a bra) because I would get breast cancer, and I would DOUBLE DOWN because I was so desperate for my chest to be gone and I thought getting breast cancer was my best bet (it's not lol, don't do that) and I ended up with an eating disorder because I was so happy that losing weight made my chest smaller as well. People shouldn't be suffering to prove they are trans to you. That's like that weird generational thing that some "boomers" have when things are easier for younger people. It's like saying someone doesn't have "real depression" if they're diagnosed with mild dysthymia and you have severe MDD. Like dude. That's not what it's about.
Seriously this comment- top tier. I feel so seen, id cover myself completely to hide my body, and would wear black clothes because it does a better job than brighter colors and the amount of times I've passed out due to continuing this behavior in the summer is so sad. I would also sleep with a bra and skip showering for days on end. I knew I didn't like my body, I knew I was different from boys and girls when I was younger. I didn't know why but I didn't care, and the hateful phrasings of saying that nonbinary people aren't real, or isn't important pressured me to want to come out as a transgender man, which I then took testosterone, lost a bunch of weight (I was 190 and dropped to 120 and I did so in an unhealthy way) to lose a few chest sizes. A year into taking my hormones, I stopped being so close minded when my friend came out to me as nonbinary and I loved my friend, they opened my mind and to be frank, saved the quality of my life. I'm now nonbinary, and MUCH happier. I only wish that the people that bullied me (peers and my own family) had just loved me enough to allow me to be myself. And I'm still excited with my deeper voice, and facial hair. No regrets but a very rocky journey to get here 😅❤
I also wanted to add that had I transitioned all the way into a man, I would've been unhappy because I was already unhappy with what I had going on but that doesn't mean I wanted the opposition. (Referring to bottom surgery) That's just my personal experience , I know other nonbinary people may feel different about this specifically ❤
I knew this was gonna make me feel invalid but I watched it anyways. Thanks Sam for getting me through it.
I wanted to point out some non-binary people don’t have gender dysphoria but gender euphoria instead. As in, they aren’t dysphoric in their gender assigned at birth, but they feel euphoric when they embrace a non-binary gender. I have a mix of both of these. I very rarely (but do) experience dysphoria, but I get a lot of euphoria from my gender-fluid identity.
Thank you for saying that- I'm in the same place with dysphoria/euphoria ❤
I still don’t understand how this makes you or any other non binary person trans? (I am trying it to come off rude or anything so sorry) but I think gender expression and having severe dysphoria and wanting a full sex change is very different from identifying with either or none at all. Plus, being trans has always been mtf or ftm. This is the one thing I am personally confused on and am trying to learn from the comments
@@marafaith9977 Sam literally explains it in this video hun...
@@marafaith9977 they are under the same big umbrella of trans identity. Not every nonbinary person will necessarily identify as trans though. The reason I and many other enby people identify with being trans is due to the fact we do not (or do not fully) identify with the gender assigned at birth. I’m trying my best to explain if I can, I hope I’m not being too confusing! They are not the same, they are a related experience. In a similar way that being queer could mean a lot of things.
@@Starrykitkat1 that does make sense. I have experienced many of these things.I don’t want to seem like I’m defending blaire bc I’m definitely not.. But tysm for explaining. I’m always trying to educate myself on the topic and this is the first time I’ve seen non binary people included in trans conversation
1 HOUR VIDEO????? I'M HERE FOR IT
IT WAS ORIGINALLY 3 HOURS HEPL ME
@@SupraMan38 release the full one 🙏
@@SupraMan38 THE FULL ONE PLEASE