How to Install a Timed Washing-Machine Valve | Ask This Old House
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- Опубліковано 19 гру 2015
- This Old House plumbing and heating expert Richard Trethewey installs a new washing-machine valve that will prevent flooding.
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Shopping List for Installing a Timed Washing-Machine Valve:
- Timed washing-machine valve
- Brass elbows, to join the valve to the water-supply pipes
- Copper pipe and assorted fittings
- Lead-free solder
- Acid brush and flux, to apply to pipe and fittings prior to soldering
- Braided stainless-steel hoses, to connect the washing machine to the valve
- Copper pipe clips, to fasten the pipes to the wall
- 3/4-inch screws, to secure copper pipe clips
Tools List for Installing a Timed Washing-Machine Valve:
- Propane torch
- Tubing cutter, to cut copper pipe
- Cleaning brush, to clean copper pipe and fittings
- Adjustable wrench, to tighten compression fittings
- Pliers, to tighten washing-machine hoses
- Cordless drill
Steps for Installing a Timed Washing-Machine Valve:
1. Close the hot- and cold-water shutoff valves leading to the washing machine.
2. Disconnect the hoses from the back of the machine and slide the machine out of the way.
3. Tighten two brass 90-degree elbows onto the rear of the timed washing-machine valve.
4. Use the close-quartertubing cutter to cut into the existing hot- and cold-water supply pipes.
5. Clean the new copper pipe and fittings with the cleaning brush.
6. Use the acid brush to apply flux to the pipe ends and fittings.
7. Solder the new copper pipe and fittings onto the existing copper water-supply pipes.
8. Tighten the compression fittings on the brass elbows to secure the timed washing-machine valve to the copper water-supply pipes.
9. Fasten the copper pipes to the wall with 3/4-inch screws and copper pipe clips.
10. Slide the washing machine back into position, and connect its hot- and cold-water hoses to the valve.
11. Plug in washing machine's power cord, then open the hot- and cold-water shut-off valves.
12. Snap the plastic cover onto valve and open the valve by sliding its lever to the left.
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Now hot and cold valves will break at the same time.
Interesting, I never see these in newer homes, but that's the point
Funny how much people worry about bursting wash machine hoses, but never think twice about the supply lines for their toilets and sink faucets.
Blaine Bugaski ideally you would use hard tubing for those supply lines
@@simplestatic3751 Normally it is either braided stainless or just braided nylon for toilets and sinks.
Yes. A lot of DIYers and plumbers use the flexible line now. The chromed copper is more traditional, longer lasting and better looking than a stainless flex. Not saying it's more common, but definitely takes the worry about hoses busting. I get that you were just making a joke, but "ideally" a hard line would be in place.
@@simplestatic3751 I have seen it. It is definitely cleaner looking when using in a toilet application but not as serviceable. Under the cabinets it really can't be seen either way.
I’ve never experienced any of those lines bursting.
Fifty years of doing laundry and never turned off the water. The only reason I replaced my 30 year old rubber hoses is because I got free stainless steel ones with my new washing machine.
The old machines were better at this. But the risk isn’t always the hose bursting but the valve on the machine staying open. The water puts pressure on that valve and wears it down over time. I had a machine once start to fill and the valve failed and it just kept filling.
Washer in skummy basement vs washer on 2nd floor. My basement floor drain is right there but is do this in a finished home for sure
I've heard many stories of rubber washer machine hoses bursting, usually when the homeowners are away. Metal braided is the only way to go! I have them at the washer, all sinks, all toilets and the dishwasher. Not sure this timer valve is of any value though.
@@kevinbedard27 I don't get how a stainless braided hose is less prone to bursting, since inside that fancy stainless steel braiding isn't it the same rubber hose as one without braiding?
If so, sure the stainless braiding will protect the hose if someone tried to chew the hose but otherwise I don't see how the stainless braiding would give it a longer lifespan.
Great job !!!
I never knew, seen or heard of anyone blowing a washer line
Anyone else notice the crooked compression fitting at 6:34 and the bead of water? Yikes.
Another good spot - that pipe's not fully in the fitting ! Someone else spotted he connected cold pipe to hot water and hot pipe to cold water !
He probably needed some pipe dope on the ferrules but if the pipe is not fully into the fitting It’ll still most likely leak lol.
I installed one of these three years ago; works great, piece of mind not having to worry about the hoses bursting and flooding the cellar.
How many times have you run the washing machine without remembering to turn on the water supply?
@@jej3451 Might have happened a few times when I first installed it; But once it becomes a routine, you never really forget to slide the lever over.
You have the same valve as installed in the video? Is it still working? I saw reviews saying it doesn't last. Anyways the product is discontinued now.
@@flat-earther the timer piece stopped working and I ended up installing manual on off valve..
yay one more to go!
says nah you do it😅
when i first saw the title i thought it said: How to Install a Time Wasting Machine! LOL
I bet he gets a call back for this one, disconnect the hot water (the one with the note to turn off the hot water valve after each wash), hook up the blue cold water hose to it... dough!
+deftdawg Very observant. I didn't even notice that and had to rewind to see that.
+deftdawg Yeah I saw that too. Woops! They probably tested afterwards and saw the mistake though. a good plumber always checks after.
He probably did that on purpose so he could go back there without the cameras.
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Id be more worried about that crooked compression fitting...
3:50 "We need a little bit of flux right here" Puts on enough flux for a 2" diameter fitting. lol
Haaaaaa
You can't have too much flux. But you can have not enough.
Actually you can have too much flux. If it pools in the bottom inside of a copper water line it can cause corrosion and leaks. www.ccmwa.org/sites/default/files/inline-files/Copper%20corrosion%20study%202013.pdf
I was surprised by the title of this video. I have been using washing machines for 30+ years, I never saw anyone use this. I have never shut off the water valves. Do we really need this? Did anyone experience problems with not shutting off the water valves?
I think it depends on the location of your washer. If it's in an unfinished basement, who cares if you have a mini flood. If you got it on the first floor in a living area, you can end up with a major repair bill.
I was even more surprised to see the little sign on the wall!
No deburring?
You’re half way there! Then takes over 😏😂
I can not seem to be able to find a mechanical timer valve like this.
I'm assuming to reset the timer you turn it off then back on? I wouldn't want the water to shut off halfway through my second load of laundry...
ike fun you obviously havent used the new high efficiency washers. they use way less water and soap, but the damn things take over an hour per cycle!
New washers in Europe take over 2 hours to do 1 cycle 😅
@@davejanssens7490 You also don't have hot water going to them, and your clothes dryers take hours because they don't vent outside
Bobby J some vent outside. These are the cheap ones but the quickest!
@@davejanssens7490 I figured they were an American thing. I didn't believe they existed in Europe because they are 'wasteful' or something. Who knows. Why don't they pipe hot water to the washer where you live? Are there no natural gas water heaters?
if you are going to all that trouble would be a good time to install shock arrestors at the tees
What is this for? Why would you need the water to shut off after 2 hours to the washer? Is it an old leaky washer or something?
Flush the pipes out after soldering, and before connecting everything...
I will say its pretty exciting stepping into a small laundry room where a hot water supply has failed.
Richard, I can’t find this shut off valve anywhere
Can you give me brand & model #
Who makes this and where can I get one?
Why wouldn't you want pressure on lines?
It'll put strain on the hoses all the time causing them to burst eventually and flood a person's house.
sheesh! $92 at home depot. I know its worth it if were you to prevent a flood, but that seems pricy.
Until you have it burst just once and it costs hundreds/thousands to repair, or a flood insurance claim which will kill your premium.
What's the brand name of this timed washing machine valve?
I dont know what a timed washer machine valve is so figure Id watch lol
I would hope that it shuts off before 2 1/2 hrs
Where does the pressure relieve to, if you dont open the valves on the machine by starting and stopping it?
Thank you, finally someone said it
6:18 that valve is leaking
With turning on and off the valves every time you do a load, will that repeated pressure change damage the hoses? Would it be better to just leave the valves in the on position?
In my 44 years not only have I never even thought about something like this, but have never heard of anyone having any issue with their hoses. Maybe an East Coast thing?
We shut off water on laundry washers but never on dish washers. How messed up is that?
Less vibration from dishwashers, but you're still right. People who want wood floors in their kitchen probably never had a dishwasher leak
Ahh, but dishwashers often have a tray under them to collect leaks and trigger an alarm ! (providing the mains is still on !)
pmailkeey What dishwashers are you buying? I’ve never seen that feature and I’ve installed many, many dishwashers.
@@SureShotImages I think that was on a UK Hoover but may have been Hotpoint.
It appears Samsung use them - see article written by of all people, D. Hoover !: all-errors.com/samsung-dishwasher-error-code-lc/
Great videos as always. The only critic is that the screw on copper bracket needed to be brass screws or else the screw will rust overtime.
What is the purpose for shutting off/on your water to the washing machine
Prevents flood liability on washing machine manufacturer.
I've been using rubber hoses on the backs of my various washing machines for over 40 years. I have never once ever shut the water off between washings. I have never had a hose break. What am I missing here? Is this a thing?
NorthernChev yeah I was thinking the same thing, I’d be worried about accidentally running the washer without turning the valve back on
i have a corroded steel braided flexible hose under my kitchen sink that goes nuclear at 3am in the morning when the water pressure is at its highest. So yeah.. either you shut the valve every each use or replace the flexible hoses when they start to deteriorate.
@toilet brush we are all good her but maybe it cause you have your machine outside
It is a thing. Such a thing that people have come up with all kind of ways to fight it.
I'm thinking it's Chlorine in municipal water degrading the hoses. Well water wouldn't have it, usually. Some towns are smarter than others.
How come I've never heard of turning the valve off to the washer? Why is this so important on a washer but not a dishwasher?
I think dishwashers use the same hose as sinks do(well, maybe slightly different). Most clothes washers use a rubber hose which is more likely to fail. I've never had one fail, but I have had the rubber seals fail on the hot side. I switched to O-rings and that fixed that problem.
I wonder if anyone else noticed that he put the hot (red stripe) on the cold side and vice versa for the hot side?
Hot's usually on the left, which is what he did?
Bloody hell, I missed that and I usually notice things like that - well spotted !
@@agate_jcg Hot's on the right as label at 2:38 shows.
Just hope he mixed them up at the machine end too otherwise it'd wash in either cold water or hot water and never at the desired temperature !
@@millomweb doubtful, in that same scene you can see where that label USED to be, on the left. Over the years I assume pipes have moved and swapped possibly
I fail to see the purpose of this? I suppose if you where on vacation one less thongbto bust and leak. But I unplug everything and shut off breaker when I leave for extened period anyway.
The company that makes them describes it. These aren't necessarily for the average homeowner. Protect Your Investments. Ideal for multi-family homes, vacation rentals, mixed-use facilities, and upper level washrooms to prevent flooding in the event of a hose burst.
No telling how long that timer will last before it breaks. Probably a year or two. Amazon give 46 reviews for it, and the reviews are not so good.
Hate to say it…. But it looks like you had a small leak on that compression fitting on the right at the end of the vid… I always use pipe dope on the ferrules… I still admire you though Richard!!
Whats the point of this timer, i always just have the water open to my washer!
+Ali Salim But what kind if hoses do you have, rubber or braided steel? Eventually they'll both leak. The steel one last longer though.
+Ali Salim It's to prevent leaking or broken washing machines from flooding your basement. as well as burst hoses.
+B1NARY well they better go and insulate all those exposed pipes, cause if it get below freezing down there -
there busted anyway!
+Ali Salim They went over that in the video....
+rrfields65 That totally depends on where you are. and what kind of heating you have. realistically our basement pipes and floor are heated by our forced air system here, and we dont have this kind of problem
Mine hoses are 12 years old and I am not worry about bursting
Will not help me some of my washing machine settings go for more than 2 hours. For example my Stain Washt setting goes for 2hours and 21 min
But does your washer actually use water to the very end?
well, look at you Mr. Fancy Washing Machine...
I have a crappy house but my laundry room is nicer than 99% of all the YT vids...
👍👍
richard always says he likes to clean pipes before cutting. not this time.
WHERE IS THE REAL RICHARD
Wait was that a sex joke 😉
He was trying to hurry so he can get his pipe cleaned....🤯☠☠
Want is so bad about water pressure on the hoses. We don't shut our water off to the washing machines in the UK and everything's fine.
Few people will know the reason for those valves. They'll think it's so you can turn the water off (& on). It's actually nothing to do with water (in a way). The washing machine instructions will advise that the water be turned off when not in use. Still nothing to do with water. It's all really to do with liability. If they advise you to turn the water off and your house floods from the washing machine - well, you were told to turn the water off and you didn't -so it's your fault for the flood despite a fault with the washing machine !
These are MAJOR money-savers if your washing machine has ANY kind of "self-correction" built-in for off-balance loads! With this it stops the machine from wasting gallons of water by trying again and again to fill to the top and fruitlessly correct itself!...
I don't mean to knit pick, but won't using the steel screws on the copper straps eventually cause electrolysis? This leads to corrosion and pipe failure. The same as mixing galvanized and copper without the use of a dielectric union.
For electrolysis, you need an electrolyte and a circuit. There is neither in this case. (unless you accidentally screw through another copper pipe carrying water!
Its not called an "imp" its called a mini cutter or mini pipe cutter thats just what u call it boston George
Imp
You can get smaller automatic cutters than that !
"full pressure"
Chances are higher that the rubber washer at the connection fitting deteriorates more often than a rubber hose not being able to handle pressure would.
Exactly. They also see the highest level of waterhammer.
The gate valve was leaking
@@harborcbs he's a hacker plumber
Two words SHARK- BITES !!!
RRFIELDS65 sharkbites are for hacks who don't know how to solder
I wouldn’t dare put a shark bite in my house
They are easy but honestly they do work
Vincent Reedy the off brands suck but the official brand is a great
@@vincentreedy7945 They are guaranteed for 25 years! I don't see where you are coming from. They are totally solid.
2.5 hours is pointless. Your basement will be flooded. It only needs to run for about 20 to 30 minutes per cycle. The timer should be adjustable.
@@andymerrett 30 minutes should be plenty of time to wash clothes. Anything more than that is a wate of water.
2:06 - 2:20 😂
Dean Slegos and
ill never understand how you can teach plumbing and not stress the cleaning and deburring on the inside of the pipes both water and waste , whats the deal?
Clean the pipe before you cut it
You still need to release the pressure in the hoses
The hose bursting will relieve the pressure for you. ;)
Just use high quality supplies. Way less work.
Eggsackly
Wait, this is actually a thing or some sort of joke? I have never ever seen one of these anywhere, I've also never seen a washing machine that takes hot water. Hoses are completely fine taking full pressure indefinitely.
Is your comment a joke? Plenty of washers use hot watter otherwise I agree
In my country, I’ve never seen those water machine valves either. But you haven’t seen a hot washing machine? Man, I’ve never seen one that DOESNT take hot water. Lol
@@lucianonarno1408 I've got one of each !
I have been living in 3 countries in my life. In one country, only cold water is used for washing machines. In the other two, both hot and cold water is used. However, I have never shut off the water valves after every use.
This particular valve has been discontinued by the manufacturer.
Thank God they did not keep using that theme song. The intro of this video was just weird
Didn't ream any of the pipes or address that you need air arresters on the washing machine lines
Or just buy a Miele with aquastop
seems useless, why dont we install these under sinks, toilets, etc.
The point is that washing machines often live in people's basements or other utility room where they maybe only go to that room once a week or something. So if there was a leak, it wouldn't be discovered for days (after which it would already have done massive damage). But if you had a leak in your bathroom, you'd notice it within a few hours.
...Or at least, that's what I've inferred from watching endless episodes of Ask This Old House 😁. I live in the UK where usually people keep their washing machine in the kitchen or other major room, and I have literally never seen any kind of system for automatically shutting off pressure to washing machine hoses.
why change the valve
“Nice Guns”.
Me: switches timer valve on and starts washing machine
2.4 hours later: puts clothes in dryer, starts second load of clothes in washer, goes to store
0.1 hours after that: timer valve slams shut while washer filling up, water hammer bursts both hot and cold lines, basement floods, sump pumps overwhelmed and burn out, water heater completely drains and burns up, water on floor unable to extinguish flames from water heater, house goes up, water still running.
me 4 hours later: comes home from the bar with my loaf of bread, nothing left but a pile of ashes and a river of water flowing from it
3 months after worst catastrophe of my life: receives bill from water company for $10,000.
2:44 someone that lived here was pretty smart.... it wasnt you.... brutal
I'm sorry but this is seriously unnecessary. if you're that worried about a breakage, get a water sensor such off. Take care of your hoses by checking them for wear and you will never have a problem. It's like paying to for a lightning protection on your how house, yes it could happen but unless you have a metal rod in an area with lots of lightning, it's probably not going to happen.
But no one is going to want to have to do this every time they do their laundry. Plus what happens when your in the middle of your 3rd load of family laundry and the water kicks off.
He mentioned her guns, but staring at her caboose. The flux runeth over...
I really like the lady in this vid. She's very attractive and very hands on helpful. She muscled here end of the washer very well. If she ever gets single someone please let me know so I can introduce myself to her.
Benjamin Williams she knows what she’s doing with those hands I’m sure she’d teach me a thing or two!
Who cares if they wanted to change the valve. She wanted to so she can! Back off people
she can be my gf
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He connected the pipes up incorrectly - LOL put the cold pipe on the hot feed and the hot pipe on the cold feed.
#schoolboy error !
This woman is painful to watch
Hot water to a washing machine? Strange.
In other countries it is strange. Here in Germany for example washing machines with an inlet for hot water are unusual. The washing machines have heating elements inside and make the hot water for themselves. Central warm water heating is uncommon here, I've got it here in my home, but in most cases you don't have it. Most homes are using local boilers (in most cases electric) or tankless water heaters.
But here you don't need to shut off the water line after the washing is done. There are different systems available here, some systems are mechanic some systems work with electronic.
The washing machines and the dishwashers have a thing called "Aquastop"-valve, it looks this way:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Aquastop.jpg
The system recognizes leaks in the system, there are different systems how this is recognizing it.
One system is a hose inside of the hose you see. If the inner hose breaks, the water touches a material which is between the two hoses that would swell if it gets wet, this is blocking the valve and the water flow. This system reacts already if there are only hairline cracks in the hose were only drops are comming out.
Other system is registering a pressure loss in the system and high water flow in the system, then it shuts the water off.
One electronic system is with a level control inside of the housing of the machine, if water is touching it in a place were no water belongs, it shuts off the water (solenoid valve between faucet and hose), often in addition with the hose-in-hose system. Some systems are giving out an alarm
ike fun Jesus don't be such a jerk
That's the difference of American washing machines and British Washing machines.
Here in the UK we use cold fill only machines with a heating element and all the other important internal components.
@@stephensnell1379 220V is nice for water heating. 110V not so much.
Not at all but much less common nowadays with front-loaders. I've a front loader with hot fill - if it needs it but she has a top loader so it'll take several gallons of water.