Patrick Madrid: Sola Scriptura
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- Patrick Madrid, EWTN Radio Host, conference speaker, and author of "The Godless Delusion", makes an apologetic case against the mindset that the only source of authentic Christian teaching is the Bible.
the Bible was created by the Catholic Church, at the Council of Rome in AD 382.
six interpretations - one per word
I find this as easy debate. Sola Scriptura is unbiblical.. Sure, we can debate other doctrines, traditions, actions of the church but the very basis of Sola Scriptura is absurd.
Absurd and from Satan I would add.
Patrick left out his best way of putting the last point (as I heard it from him 20+ years ago): There is no divinely inspired table of contents in the Bible. Its authority rests upon the magisterium of the Church. You can’t have one without the other.
The Bible is not the sole authority like Sola Scriptura claims. The Bible actually mentions both the Church and tradition as sources of authority as well. Let them google it and they can find the verses.
Yeah sola scriptura does not claim to be the only authority. It is the sole INFALLIBLE rule of faith, not the only authority. Claiming that it is the only authority would go against the Bible and therefore wouldn’t hold up. That is why we can still read the Church fathers and look at the Catholic Church through history, because we don’t see everyone as infallible, but as possessing wisdom, intelligence, and other good qualities while also being flawed men as well. We share a history together whether you want to admit it or not. The Church along with the pope have made plenty of errors, but that does not mean that it doesn’t have an apostolic history or that everything it’s ever taught and done is wrong. It just means that by recognizing when it has erred or can’t support a claim that it be willing to adjust course to better focuses its aim towards Christ.
Take this for example: the Catholic Church teaches scripture and tradition come from the same deposit of faith and that oral tradition has been infallibly passed down from the apostles, right? Can you tell me which apostle said which oral tradition? Do you know what their words supporting the oral tradition were?
So if you don’t know who said it or what was even said, then how is that binding on your soul?
Paul admires the Bereans in Acts 7:11 for not just taking him at his word (oral tradition) but for turning through scripture to see if what he (an apostle) said was true. How much more should we hold out churches and leaders responsible? We should be prepared to call out church leaders when their words or actions don’t match with scripture. It’s how Jesus held the Pharisees accountable and it’s how we should too.
So with that try and find the name of the apostle or his words that allow for you to venerate images, that say that Mary was bodily assumed, that say that the pope is infallible, that speak of penance as being a sacrament, that allow for the church to mandate that bishops be celibate.
I’ve looked for these answers and I’ve asked priests, but I can’t get an answer from anyone.
Every Catholic doctrine MUST be proven by the authority of scripture;
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 16,17
With this, all Roman Catholic doctrine that cannot be proven by the authority of scripture is foolishness in God’s sight;
19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness.”c 20And again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.” 1 Corinthians 3:16-17
The New Testament were written by Catholics and preserved by Catholics? How can this be?
Name me one catholic author of any New Testament book or if there is such a thing as a catholic new testament Greek manuscript.
Preserved by Catholics? Non of any Greek New Testament NA28/UBS5
SBLGNT
THGNT were written by the Catholic Church.
Not in the Bible: The Trinity, The Rapture, etc.
By his logic Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and Muslims are no different than Catholics. They all use extra Biblical texts and traditions. Why is yours right?
Church history. Look at the first Christians and Apostolic succession.
Jesus started Catholic church. Other religions started by men.
Because the bible was made from Catholics so the Magesterium has the authority since the bible became the bible.
So why not include logic , instead you deny logic.
They do include logic
All scripture is god breathed I would rather god by the bible than the teachings of men ie the Catholic Churches teachings should not anyone’s reasoning be if god said it I believe it so why not base your life on gods word alone instead of trying to cram in a million other teachings that are nowhere found in gods word just a thought 😊
I don’t think you understood a word he said. How do you get a true meaning of scripture based off of Bible alone, if so many denominations interpret it differently. For instance you go to a Lutheran Church and they believe in baptismal regeneration but the Protestants do not. One Protestant church could interpret the Bible one way yet another believes in it another way. I’ve heard Protestants believe in the rapture but other churches do not, which is completely misleading. The Catholic Church are the founding fathers, read history and have studied early thinkers of the church to see how they interpreted the Bible. You don’t learn anything without history, well the Catholic Church is history.
But how do you know the Bible God's word? What does God Breathed mean? And more importantly, why should I trust what you say?
And that's the problem with Sola Scriptura (a tradition of man started by Martian Luther). Give me the bible and 2 people and I'll have 4 different interpretations of one verse. The Bible states that God is not of disorder but of peace and that we should take disputes to the church but how do we do that when there is no physical Church with authority?
That's why I stopped being Protestant. I didn't want to follow man made traditions any more but worship the way Jesus taught.
1. The eunuch asked Philip for an explanation.
2. The Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) didn't appeal to scriptures, instead the clergy decided on a binding teaching on the faithful.
3. Jesus taught his Apostles to resolve issues with the Church.
4. Paul reminds the faithful to hold to written and unwritten tradition.
These are three instances that actually happened, showing sola scriptura is false.
Sola Scriptura is man-made by a man called Luther who had no authority to modify the scriptures to suit his heresy.
Repent.
Agreed and oral tradition was passed down from MEN, followers, apostles WAY BEFORE the Catholic Church compiled the Canon. No one is arguing this, but it's not the SOLE authority from God.
Ummm… cope 🤷♂️