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Im a German Soldier and just wanted to add something. In the bundeswehr you only see soldiers wear the golden Weapons proficiency badge, cause its considered to be embarrassing to wear silver or bronze, stating that you were not good enough to shoot better. This especially for the infantry forces. I personally never saw someone wearing a bronze or silver badge in my whole carrier.
But totally understandable for foreign troops to wear them.
Just some fun facts
I earned the German marksmanship badge in silver. Before i went to shoot the machine gun a German soldier told me do small bursts and remember to hold it tight or it will get away from you. His advice really helped since many soldiers who did well in rifle and pistol got a lower score on the machine gun which effected their final badge color.
I also got silver but it was the pistol that hurt me. I got gold on the rifle and machine gun, but we were partnered up with a reserve German unit that was still using P38s. I'd never fired one before, but did OK until I had to fire it in the prone. I missed one pistol shot to get the gold, but it was a great experience and I was happy to get silver.
I got the Schützenschnur in Gold while still in basic training. I don't know if the requirements are different from foreign militaries tho. This was in late 2009.
I also got it in Gold during my time at the Fallschirmjäger. But with G3 instead of G36 and I also got the bronce Fallschirmjäger badge. It was in 2001- 2002 during my 9 month service 😊
I got a Marksmanship Ribbon I’d scored 223 points I was one point shy from an S for Sharp Shooter on my Ribbon for my Pistol Marksmanship.
I am going to assume that was with the MG3. It is the hardest of the disciplines when completed with the MG3 because that is one quirky gun to fire accurately.
I earned a bronze German marksmenship badge while I was stationed in the US Army Berlin Brigade in the mid 80's. I really wanted a set of German airborne wings since I was previously stationed in the 82nd Airborne Division at Ft. Bragg before I PCS'ed to Germany, but I never got a chance to jump with a German airborne unit.
Greetings from Berlin and a big thank you for keeping my city commie free!
@@mikedittsche
It was the least I could do. I really enjoyed West Berlin in the 80's. The Wall came down a year after I left.
@@ivanlowjonesawesome Mr Jones! You have the Army of Occupation Medal too.
I was stationed there in the brigades final year. Was able to earn the Sports Badge (achieved Bronze)
*The brigade was awarded the Army Superior Unit Award in its final year, which wore I permanently there after.
@@christopherhazell420
You are correct about the Army Occupation ribbon. I was stationed at Checkpoint Alpha in Helmstedt with our parent unit Combat Support Battalion based on Andrews Kaserne. I currently work with a guy who was stationed in 40th Armor at Turner Kaserne after the Wall came down.
The standards must have changed for the proficiency badge. When I earned it in 2008, we had several track and field events to successfully pass, in addition to the aforementioned requirements. (High Jump, Shot Put etc). Also, the firearms qual course really dictated what level badge you obtained. All in all, it was a great experience and I'm glad I was afforded the opportunity to earn it.
In 2008 the sports proficiency badge (Deutsches Sportabzeichen) was part of the tests you had to pass for the military proficiency badge. Today you must have a grade lower that 1.49 in the basic fitness test to get the proficiency badge in gold.
I don't know what the regulations say but currently it varies a lot. In the Air force many people earned theirs by achieving the deutsches Sport Abzeichen in Gold and Qualifying in one weapon in gold. Im in the Army and got told that I Had to Qualify in gold with both weapons, get the DSA in gold, do a BFT with a 1. Mark and get a Personal recomandation from my commanding officer for outstanding service.
@Mr-bz9sc until this year, USAF personnel could not wear these in Service Dress. Unless they were stationed in the country or attending an official event sponsored by said nation. Now no restriction exist.
When I qualified for the German Marksmanship medal it required passing scoring of the P-1 pistol, G-3 Rifle and MG-3. the award was based on scoring for each weapon.
If you scored a Bronze on Pistol and Gold on Rifle and Machine-Gun as I did, you receive a Bronze. To earn a Silver my lowest totals would all need to be Silver same for Gold.
You mean MG3
@@manusaba9168 yep, thank you. my keyboard hates me so. ^~^
I was awarded German Airborne wings many years ago and they are prominently displayed in a shadow box along with all my American awards.
Good Video, as a former german soldier I wonder if a US soldier is allowed to wear our Ranger course Badges like "Einzelkämpfer" 1 und "Führer eines Jagdkommandos" (ek2?). Thanks for your great video.
no, those awards are not authorized for US Army Wear which why I did not mention them.
I earned the German Ranger badge, Paratrooper wings, and attended the Alpine Course. Could only sport the wings..
there is no German Ranger badge
@@Fatboy00000I think he means the Einzelkämpfer badge, which is basically a ranger badge.
@@Rheinlander1904-uc5od The course is more comparable to the old "Recondo" course. The Ranger School does not include many things that the EKI-II does. It's not called the "Lone-warrior badge" for nothing.
@@FH36010 Ok, thanks for clarifying - wasn’t that sure about it tbh 😅👍🏻
@fatboy1837 We referred to it as that. In fact the Einzelkämpferlehrgang is called in English the Commando Course. Has a little wreathed badge with an Oak Leaf inside. Then there is the 2nd phase earning the second Leaf. But I seem to remember it also having some acorns inside. But it's been over 35 years ago. Sorry.
I gotta admit that I’m still bummed about the Schutzenscnere. I have been an expert shot my entire life, but the machine gun part kicked my ass. It fired so unbelievably fast that I never could get a 3 round burst out of it. Fired gold on the rifle and pistol first time though.
Your not alone. Went from shooting true blue on all the other weapons to barely getting a bronze. That MG3 kicked my ass
The bad trigger and the fast rate of fire are the problem. When you finally got that 150 pound trigger to fire, the 15 rounds you had were gone and you probably had 1 round in the small circle. You really had to practice with it. I was never a pistol shot, I would have had better success throwing it, and the G3 was to awkward and heavy for me. I could, however, queeze two-round bursts out of the MG3 and have 13 out of 15 rounds in the small circle.
@@VR-ym8ys Everyone can learn it and there are many myths to that machine gun and even many german soldiers admit that the MG3 "is not their kind of weapon".
i think the mg3 has a much higher rate of fire than our mg.hard to get use to a three round burst’.
@@veteransmedalsworkshop-moa4376 It has a rate of 1050 to 1300 rounds per minute and it is supposed to be an area effect weapon as all MGs are. Although we try to train our soldiers to get off precise first salvos and after the initial breaking of the silence from the MG it is used with busts of 5 to 15 shots.
After a few hunderd shots you really get used to the rate of fire, recoil compensation and aiming with your muscle memory and you suddenly "feel" the MG and that is when you start loving it. Nevertheless nobody loves to carry it into battle :)
Very interesting. Greetings from Germany.
I just found your video and just spotted the 218IN patch over your right shoulder. I started my career as a Tank PL in 1-118CAB, 218IN, and deployed with them to Kosovo back in 2012-13 where I earned the gold Schutzenschnier and bronze GAFPB. My DOSB pin is currently on my Stetson and GAFPB on my right breast. Glad to meet a fellow SC Guardsman sir! ALWAYS READY!
great eye, however that display is my son’s. he graduated from the Citadel and served as an Infantry officer in the 218th. my dad’s display in the center and mine on the right. you did well to earn all three.
Schuetzenschnur
I earned both the German Efficiency Badge in bronze and the Fallschirmjager badge in bronze.
I earned the Bronze schutzenschnur in 1973 with our German reserve unit..another armored unit..my biggest disappointment was that I didn't get to shoot their P-1..I did shoot the G3 and MG 3..I still have it in a drawer somewhere...
You got an MG-3 in a drawer somewhere? Nice! 😛
I had the second badge in bronze they wouldn't let us wear it then in the late 70s
there is one kind of Proficiency Badge more, its very rare, it has same like the other ones so bronce, silver and gold but under the eagle is a little R. Its the Proficiency Badge for soldiers of the reserve forces. It's not easier the opposite its harder to earn, while you can choose on the normal ones the weapon test on the reserve one machine gun is mandatory and in addition you have to go the obstacle course in a certain time
I earned the Gold schützenschnur while stationed in Germany with the Air Force in the 80s. We fired the G3 and the MG 1/3 (7.62 NATO version of the MG 42). I could have used the pistol as a medic, but opted for the MG.
German Air Force veteran here: In 1978 and '79, when I qualified for my "proficiency badge" (Abzeichen fuer Leistungen im Truppendienst), the requirements with respect to the foot march were 20 km for bronze, 25 km for silver, and 30 km for gold, as compared to the 6, 9, and 12 km today. I am somewhat dismayed at the softening of the conditions, but then again, that seems to be the overriding motto of our times: Make things easy! In a few years the walk from the sleeping quarters to the canteen will be sufficient for a badge...
I still had to walk the 30 Km march in under 5 h time for that Gold variant in 2010. The 12 Km march in fact is soft compared to this, even if you have to carry more load today.
cloudchaser996, i wish the bundeswehr still had officers like steinhoff and heusinger in charge. it makes me sick what has become of the bundeswehr since the fall of the wall. should still have conscription. im from the u.s but i am of german heritage. i hope that the afd can at least win second next election in germany. im in my upper 20s and think germans need to get rid of the ww2 guilt crap and start making the bundeswehr strong.
@wachbataillon1234: A lot to unpack here. First, to be clear, I do not criticize the German efforts to remember the giant atrocities that were committed under the nazi regime. Remembering those is, in Germany, a doctrine that is not negotiable. But sure, German military traditions by far predate that awful time, and throwing everything out wholesale is not warranted, especially if you compare Germany to countries with a more healthy attitude towards their armed forces, as e.g. the US. Second, I agree that recently Germany had become far too complacent when self defense is concerned, and agree, too, that conscription was generally a good thing. This all was made painfully clear when Russia invaded Ukraine, and now Germany is struggling to catch up with modernizing the Bundeswehr. Third, the current political parties in Germany are in my opinion ALL individually a mixture of good and bad ideas. Yes, the AFD has some points I could agree with, but since they tolerate nazis amongst their membership and e.g. advertize cozying up with Putin, that makes them very hard to vote for for many mainstream Germans. The Greens have some point when it comes to caring more for the environment, but e.g. demanding Germany should take in all "refugees" that want to enter, is clearly not ok. And so every other party, too has things to agree with and to reject. And that is in my view the major crisis in German politics today: There is just no party that an educated, law abiding, and modestly patriotic citizen could vote for with a good conscience! We'll have to see how that is going to play out...
@neinnein9306: No kidding. With only 12 km, the blisters on your feet don't have enough time to really become painful😂
Well, the new march requirements are not as soft as they seem on the surface - as the required weight to carry around has been significantly increased. So you trade some distance for more weight. In my own experience, the Leistungsmarsch was easy with no weight on your back, 30 km, piece of cake. Add the weight, it kills you.
I tried for the Sports badge in the 90s and I passed the 30k march and the swim but they planned the field events for another day and I was either in the field or in an army school every time they held the event and I would have probably passed it since I could run 2 miles in very low 13 minutes, the only thing I wasn't sure was the long jump. I did this in 1994 and was supposed to be a 3 day event and the first day was the ruck march with full kit and for bronze you had to do 10k for bronze, 20k for silver 30k for gold, next day was a bunch of laps in a big pool but I don't remember how many laps now but that's what most people failed then 3rd day was field events including a sprint, long distance run, long jump and I think something else but its been a long time.
It's kinda funny that the German uniforms haven't changed much since WW2. I didn't realize this till this video. Thanks for sharing.👍
robert, yes you are correct exept for the high collar and awards they award today. the guard battalion which is what i named my channel after still where the jackboots for official ceromonies albeit covered by blousing their trousers over them.
@@wachbataillon1234: Die Bundeswehr wurde 1955 gegründet. Beabsichtigt oder nicht, exakt 1000 Jahre nachdem auf dem Lechfeld ein Heer aufmarschiert ist, das aus Aufgeboten aller damaligen deutschen Stämme gebildet wurde. Hoffentlich ein gutes Vorzeichen.
@@brittakriep2938Deutschland wird seit Jahren ohne Kampf verschenkt. 😂
the German uniform looks nothing like WW2 uniforms. they look like a badly tailored version of the US uniform
@@neinnein9306 : Bin auch nicht begeistert, was nicht erst seit gestern geschieht.
Thanks very much Colonel nice to see you back hope you are well
all good just deciding on what next, Thinking about doing the history of U.S. medals 1775 to GWOT ….in several parts.
@veteransmedalsworkshop-moa4376 great idea. Love your informative videos.
how does one get the Star of the Grand Cross of the Iron Cross
The swim is one of the hardest parts. It sure got me.
The profiency badge ought to be worn on the pocket like the Germans. Big Army should change that.
I agree
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Theres a little mistake with the german medal of honor.
The silver one with red outlining is basically the same as the gold one with red outlining, with the exception its without danger for your own life.
(F.e. live saving first aid and so on)
Best regards from Germany 🤙🏻 8:45
I feel proud of earning my GAMB. It was a fun experience, but too bad we weren’t allowed to drink the alcohol with the German troops after we qualified 😂
i have collected most if not all the awards shown on this video, i collect all the bundeswehr uniforms as well. im of german decent from my fathers side and proud of my german heritage. sometimes i wear the bundeswehr uniforms when i go to dinner and stuff, and also to airshows to promote them as most people dont know much about them exept u.s servicemen, which is sad in my opinion.
Why do you wear an active service uniform from another country if you're not serving in it, or ever served in it? Sounds kinda weird to just show up in a Bundeswehr uniform just because you have German ancestry...
@G1CAAAAAEO, its my hobby to collect the bundeswehr uniforms and insignia, i mean i see no point of it just sitting in my closet gathering dust. and as i said it promotes the german military in my opinion. im well aware its odd wearing them out in public, but i have a right to and i enjoy wearing them. btw i dont claim to anyone ive served in the bundeswehr when people ask me to be clear. if i could have served in the bundeswehr i would have, but im not a german citizen unfortunantly.
@@wachbataillon1234
It's not odd, it's stolen valour.
No one cares about your parents, stop stealing the uniform of people who have died defending it. I didn't wear the fucking uniform because my parents decided to have a kid 5km left or right of the border, I wore it because I swore an oath to defend my country...
In Germany, we have laws against people just appropriating uniforms and just wearing them in public. Maybe honour that part of your "heritage".
Earned the gold back in 90 while with the Berlin Brigade. I say it lightly. I barely got it the mg3 was a challenge.
I earned the Bronze Sports Badge in '94 at Andrew's Barracks, just before the brigade inactivated 😑
Can I wear my German veteranenabzeichen on my dress uniform?
Fascinating! There a very FEW foreign awards authorised for wear in the Australian Forces. One of those is the Liberation of Kuwait medal issued by Saudi Arabia to those of us who served in the Gulf War. The Australian rules are much stricter than the US ones..it only applies to Aussies serving in the Gulf between 17 January and 28 February 1991. The later Kuwait liberation Medal is not authorised for wear with uniform.
Interesting. I would have thought the ADF would also receive the KLK Medal to?
Some folks might have received it ( I did not??) but AFAIK it is not authorised. Of course ive been out of the loop for a long time... I might check on this!!!! Things do change!! @@christopherhazell420
Nice to see you back
thanks, been working on a new book.
Depends on the unit
Make sure its recent
If over a year old be told to remove it
members of the US Army Horse Platoon of the 287th MP Company wore the German army riders badge.
The criteria for the Deutsches Sportabzeichen are a bit more diverse. You have four major categorys: Endurance, Dexterity, Coordination and Strength. Those four Categorys have multiple exercises from wich you can choose one of each Category depending on your personal preference, while beeing able to swim is mandatory. Formerly for soldiers which where not conscripted, the achivement of the sportabzeichen on a yearly basis was mandatory and could influence on your evaluations for extending your service time or becoming a professional soldier. Today the Sportabzeichen is voluntary since the department of defence decided that the Sportabzeichen does not reflect the specific physical requirements demanded from a soldier. Currently a new, more specific programm for the evaluation of a soldiers physicue is in development.
I think that for the most prestigious of these medals, they should be made of precious medals. Like pure silver, gold, nickel, whatnot. It would make the earning of the medal even better and more rare. Imagine the medal you earn not just being respected but to be worth thousands and a work of art. And for that metal to only be obtained by earning it and not being able to buy it somewhere. That would definitely be a sign of ranking, having precious medals made from precious metals and the highest degree of craftsmanship. It would make the medals much more rare and valuable.
Does the DOSB come in American Ribbon Size?
Is there an email for Medals of America? The online ordering system does not work properly for international buyers, and the website only offers a 1800 number, which is not useful if calling from overseas.
excellent video !! Danke !!
Americans sure have a lots of ribbons for all sorts of stuff. My dad served for 32 years. He only had parachute wings on chest (he said he had around 750 jumps), unarmed combat badge and marksman badge on sleeves. 39-45 Star, France Germany Star, Defence Medal, War Medal, General Service Medal (Palestine) and bar (Suez) Special Service Medal (NATO) Canadian Centennial Medal and Canadian Decoration.
If he’d had served with the Americans instead the British and Canadians, his uniform would have been so covered with stuff, he’d have been mistaken for a NASCAR driver.
Almost forgot, when he was with 2 PPCLI the presidential citation earned by that unit at Kapyong.
We like the bling that is earnable and doesn't jingle every time we walk.
Back in the day when I was with the 3rd AD, anybody could sign up to go qualify with the Bundeswehr, but only 11B's, 11D's, 11C's and 11H's were authorized to wear it and then only with greens. No khakis.
A 5000 meter run?? 2.75 miles straight through?! Wow
In the 1970s some German vets. weared them Iron crosses though.
Very educating. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for the Video
would love to see a video of foreign awards and how to get them. have the gafpb, NFM, luxembourh march and trying to get the 4 day holland march
Let me check that out, thanks for the suggestion.
I earned the Schutzenschnur in gold using the G-3 and MG-3. USAF at that time (late '80s) was more relaxed about wearing the thing. I was an O-3. If anybody noticed, they said nothing.
it has been a very interesting video. If you can and want, you should do a video about the medals US military can wear from others NATO members, like Italy, France and U.K.
will look into it, thanks
Greetings. Is Edelweiss badge authorized for wear on AGSU?
not to my knowledge
Cool
Your last comment on the campaign medal/combat action award (10:40), is not 100% accurate. Army Human Resources Command/Army G-1 retains the approval authority for acceptance and wear for all foreign badge/awards not delegated down to two star level approval in appendix D and E of Army Regulation 600-8-22.
Hi! May I know the title of the march music played in the intro? Thank you 😁
Let me check, it is a Prussian March.
It's the Kaiser Wilhelm Siegesmarsch
Thank you so very much!
Great video
Thanks!
I've lost my German (GAFPB) Award Certificate and my badge in bronze. I've looked every where's even had my nephew look for it with my Dad's WWII stuff where can I get a Original Copy from.
may hav’e to be on eBay.
I saw these on people when I was in Germany, in 1989 (Wildflecken)
I hope you look at Canadian Forces decorations and badges next
Are U.S. troops permitted to wear the Gebirgsjäger kappenedelweiß ?
Question I earned the silver badge. And was presented it, without the rope. But am unsure where to wear it and there’s little info on it. Should it be worn on the shoulder with the rope or just the chest??
Proficiency Badge? As shown, it has nothing additional, a badge with eagle inside a wreath.
Now, the marksmanship badge has the rope or lanyard.
For US Army & USAF personnel, the proficiency badge is worn on the right breast of the dress coat.
The marksmanship badge is attached at the right (your right) shoulder (& will require a button) to attach it to the shoulder, with the end of the lanyard clipping onto the coat button.
USAF Airmen wear the proficiency badge above the Dress Coat name tag on the right breast. US Army soldiers wear the badge above the right breast pocket in ASU & AGSU. Or above unit awards, if awarded them and below regimental insignia.
What's the title of the march you can hear in the intro and outro ?
it is an old Prussian March, I will look for the title.
it is the Kaiser Wilhelm Siegesmarsch
Thank you so much. Being german I should have known it. I just didn't hear this very often. The "Königgrätzer Marsch" "Preußens Gloria" or the "Regimentsgruß" are three of the most famous marches here🇩🇪. By the way - I also love "When Johnny comes marching home" 🇺🇲
Nice video
Thanks
as a non american i have a question: what about the EInzelkämpfer 1 and 2 Badge? (i think its called german commando course in english)
did not show those since they are authorized on the UA Army uniform.
sorry for the miss typing. Those two German qualification patches and badges are not authorized on the United States Army uniform.
There are no similar things, they came out of different circumstances. I'm was going as german PMC in Irak an Afghanistan, became the Bronze Star in Falludja 2004 on foreign Forces. Long ago the Golden Badges of NVA AND Bundeswehr. (sorry for my bad english). And never would be seen the same medals in official shows. We all, the Military and the PMC are forgotten. We are dead in our own Contries.
I WAS FIVE POINTS AWAY FROM GOLD the gapb was very hard to aquire the gold
How does a soldier come to another armys medal???
badges Wehrmacht Parachute troops are two different badges for Luftwaffe and for Army later only Parachute Bataillone Brandenburger and Parachute Bataillone Waffen-SS - be correct if you tell thinks about german armys
thank you, what I said was all I could find out. where those the last 2 parachute battalions? where their 4 badges then?
More medals??? Where are they going to put them? I believe they even get one for a posting to the UK! lol
The Army is in love with pins, badges, patches, baubles and bangles. Do Soldiers get an allowance to buy all that?
they need a gold wrench for macanics
Armies seem to be fanatic about regulations of everything?
The German armed forces proficiency badge is so revered in the American army but theres absolutely nothing special about it. Like its on the name. PROFICIENCY meaning you are above average at the BASICS. And the Germans treat basically the same way we treat a PT test. And dont the Germans take it every year?
Meanwhile in the US army we think its so cool and think we're gold forever on it.
But youre EIB or ESB is a much more impressive and hard to get badge.
I think it's revered not because it's so hard to earn or special within the German forces, but because not too many foreign soldiers get to take the tests. Also, it just looks cool I guess, just catches the eye. It's always not too shabby for any soldier proving his proficiency not only in his own army, but in a different one as well, with different standards and weapons.
When I was in the German army, I earned the US sharpshooter (silver) badge for rifle and submachinegun, and certainly wore it with pride. It's nothing special in US forces, but it showed that I had gotten good enough at shooting that I could grab an M16 and MP5, both of which I hadn't even held before, and perform well on the first try.
@ropeburn6684 you make a fair point but they make it SO easy to get for Americans. For us MANY MANY MANY MANY of us get a chance
There doesn't even have to be German soldiers around. The Americans can completely administer the test.
Mail the results to some German Lieutenant Colonel and get them.
I've seen it done so many time. Even in reserve units. No Germans
Just Americans, who don't even have the badge, reading instructions.
There are other harder to get and more impressive foreign awards.
Like the German sharpshooter badge(FYI idk what official sharpshooter badge we gotm whatever you got must have been exclusive to that event because we don't have an M16 and MP5 event with a gold, silver or bronze badge)
The Norwegian footmartch
Foreign ranger schools
When I was in Hawaii we had soldiers go all over Asia and Latin America to go to those countries versions of jungle school(to help us restart our own armys jungle school)
Trust me. I cannot stress to you how often the GAFB comes to Americans
It's so common you cam buy the badge on American military bases in the uniform clothing shop and where the badge is even PRODUCED BY AN AMERICAN COMPANY
Pistol ,rifle and machine gun i have one to qualify. I wear one on my uniform.
Biological not Biology (NBC)
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HG Meier is such a generic name :D
Personally I am somewhat sad I never got a golden Schützenschnur, because I thought it wasn't worth showing off in anything less than gold and by that time I had become an officer and couldn't show it off either way. At that point the proficiency badge was also not and option because my swimming wasn't anything to write home about.
NBC TEST. NUCLEAR BIOLOGICAL (not biology) CHEMICAL. INTERESTING CHANNEL.
And all that is why no one is wearing that badge.