I always thought i had to persuade her (and waste all my inspiration points to overcome that hard DC30 skill check) in order to change her mind. The narrator even told me that, thanks to my strong bond with SH, i might be able to turn her "from the path of duty to the path of light" so i just assumed that i had to do something because staying silent would be like giving the green light to the killing. Didn't know this was an option. Seems kinda weird though, because not only it contradicts what the game tells me through the narrator (that i need to get involved), but also because SH was so determined to obey Shar just a few seconds before that it's strange to see her change her mind so quickly.
That's why I like the design of this part so much: you need to have absolute FAITH in Shadowheart. In that she will do the right thing even if the narrator is saying the opposite and the cost for her can be unimaginable. You have to trust all those brief but important moments (every time her hand hurt her is a hint) that she proved she is still a "good" person despite being brainwashed by Shar most of her life. It's brilliant. You need absolute faith in her love, and well, faith and love are what her arc is all about @@SirAlric82
@@SirAlric82 According to my information it depends on whether YOUR actions up to this point have been good or evil. Show her an evil example, and she follows suit. Show her a good example, and she reflexively leans to good even left to her own devices.
What I love the most is that you can do NOTHING, SAY nothing, and she does it. It's just her. For her to kill the Aasimar, you actively have to encourage Shart to do it.
letting her make the decision without even clicking the persuade option after starting a romance with her, having faith in her, and her living up to it, is a moment in gaming I will never forget I don't know why, I saved beforehand, and I would have reloaded, but clicking the button to let her decide on her own was still nerve wracking
Aylin is my favourite NPC outside the companions. Everytime shes on screen is a show stopper, from freeing her to her stoming ketherics head in and beyond
There's a theory somewhere about Shadowheart and her divine magic, as if Selûne was the one giving her that magic all the time, and Shar only using her as a puppet through her followers wipping out her memory and washing her brain, as the reason why she never loses her powers even when Shar rejected her in this very scene. It's quite horrible and sweet at the same time, like she's been kidnapped and brainwashed against her will, but despite that, Selûne never give up on her, like a true divine mommy.
Honestly, I can get on board with that. I don't know much about D&D lore, but I always thought it odd that Shar, who wants to restore endless darkness, would provide magic in the form of radiance.
@@godoflemmings17 Just adding a bit of D&D Lore here!: Most deities do not care what type of damage you use as long as you use it to follow their will. Also, most spells can change how they look depending on the caster but it was Larian decision to make them look radiant (for example; Spiritual Weapon and Spirits Guardians look very shiny in the game, but on D&D they could have looked like... dark voids if Shadowheart desired)
Having played a pen a paper cleric of Selune for a whopping 10 years... that is typical Selune. Selune can present herself in many different moods as different are the moon phases, but she is always a motherly, calm presence.
@@heyyou193that is kinda cool though shar clerics having shadow themed cleric spells. That aside, dont cleric abilities get granted by their deity? They even point this out when shar discarded her. Like she questions what fuels her power anymore. Seluné really is goated.
Yeah, it would fit Selune well. Shar can play the rewarding mother all she wants, but to Aylin's point, her clerics are just tools. Meanwhile, Selune is known for going to her clerics when called in times of need - a rarity for D&D gods.
SUCH an amazing moment!! I also love that even Lae'zel says Shadowheart chose "rightly and courageously" and that she doesn't like seeing her in so much pain. Watching these characters grow is so lovely
Even Minthara shows compassion for Shadowheart if she choses to reject Shar. She says something along the lines of "It would have been more beneficial for us if Shadowheart became a Dark Justiciar, but it is better for Shadowheart this way". I'm paraphrasing of course, I don't remember the exact line.
When Sven at Larian said the biggest thing he knew he needed was more and better writing, this is what he meant. I just enjoy seeing people experience this scene it is SOOO well done!
@@shaantitus1538 There is a "Candle scene" with Lohse's personal story in DOS2 that will stay with me to my grave. But beyond that they were really held back on how visually stunning they could have made their presentation. They really hit their stride with BG3 and here's hoping they can keep it going with their future projects!
This was the greatest moment of my first play through, and even now, I can’t ever bring myself to let her become a dark justiciar in my third go around. I love her character development
Spoilers** It's not as good character wise but it's still interesting. Shar makes her a dark justicar and charges her to cleanse the followers in baldurs gate, that the leader has strayed from shar. And you can persuade a large number to join your side in that fight which makes it different in a fun way. She is still given the choice to kill her parents and by doing so becomes the Shars right hand and you can summon dark justiciars in final fight
I like how the original mind set going in, he was completely ok with making her a dark justiciar cause it's what she said she wanted, one of the most evil and feared sub factions in the world, that the game warns you about on multiple occasions, with even Shar seeming to lie and dispose of them freely. But did a quick 180 when he saw the price was a buff Aasimar girl xD
@@terabellum I saw, what becomes out of SH as Dark Justiciar -- yes you can journey on with her, but she will become a soulless puppy of her goddess and does not even recognize her own parents any more.
It always seemed weird that Sharrans and Dark Justiciars seem to be more feared than the other evil gods and their followers. “Baal and his murder cultists and spawn? Scary! Shar and her followers wanting to shroud the word in darkness? Gods have mercy on our souls”
@@Haley123ful I think cause everyone knows Bhaal will just torture and murder you. Shar is a lot more elusive and for those who know anything about her, knows that she’ll do a lot worse than just simple torture and murder.
Goosebumps at first, but when I experienced her as a free woman, and how much a Karen she is, the only thing that's keeping me from killing her are the people in Last Light Inn. X(
@@bukojoetheslapsoils8273 imagine being imprisoned in a realm totally opposite to your being (daughter of Selune in shadowfell), tortured and killed multiple times, but unable to die for over 100 years by the father of your lover.
@@bukojoetheslapsoils8273 idk what youre on lol. Just imagine being trapped in some dark place by the worst enemy of your mother, getting tortured and killed for 100 years cuz youre immortal. You wont go out without scars, either from body or soul. I dont think you would Act as if nothing ever happened. She isnt acting like a Karen idk what youre talking about
I never get tired of that scene. It’s so damn epic, my gosh it makes me grin so big when the drums line up with Nightsong’s fists punching the floor. This scene is an absolute masterpiece and probably one of the most powerful moments I’ve ever experienced in any video game.
One of the BEST moments in my playthrough! I had a little different journey, the only question I asked her, was "Is this what you truly want", and after I trusted her all the way! When we exited Shadowfell, the first thing I told her, was "You're not alone, you have me", and she admitted that I was by her side far more often than her dark goddess, and she professes undying love! From that point, she truly opened up! The secret in romancing her, is not prying at any point of your journey together, and more important, trusting her
Because I pried into her thoughts RIGHT before this, I was terrified she was going to go through with it. Chat convinced me to trust her, and I have ZERO regrets.
@@terabellum I know, I was feeling the same first time around, took a second playthrough to understand Shadowheart completely! On a first go, I begged her not to kill Nightsong, and conviced her by persuasion, although spent 3 inspiration points in a process! Second time around I was focused on Shadowheart, and was building my story in the way she'd love, and realized that trust is the key with her! Now I finally play tactician, and couldn't bring myself to let her become dark justiciar this time around also, cause I heard you couldn't romance her afterwards at all, Shar becomes her life! It is a challenging on tactician, but I have background knowledge of Divinity Original Sin 2, Larian's previous masterpice, and that gave me an edge, it's not the same, but similar combat, and also, you have freedom to do ANYTHING! Both games, legends!
Best part of the game, hands down. I have done 5 full playthroughs and only once did I have shart kill the Nightsong. It is worth doing to see what happens, but it is heart wrenching when you so how much worse things are for everyone based on that decision.
The battle between the sisters of the night even extended to her. She was always a Selunite she just forgot. And in this moment, something in her remembered.
The conversation after you get out is even more touching if you are romancing Shadowheart, truly gives you the feeling that you are the last pillar that keeps the spirit in her. Masterful writing truly.
Oh. I'm coming from your video about Astarion. So it's the channel thema ; "let them be horrible - oh no. oh no. oh no no no no NO WAY" ? I'm 1000% with you :)
her decision's tied by how well you "nurtured" the relationship, and if your character's aligned for good, so if you have an evil character she'll go down the evil path but if you are good and you advanced her quest even if you didnt romance her just choosing to say nothing and to trust her leads to this on its own
This game is so full of masterpieces moments, this is one of many, and I loved it. 190 hours, still did not finished my first playtrough, and I know I missed a lot thing (if only by beeing all around good). I wonder, wil I go for Spiderman 2 or play another run of Badur gate 3 with totally differents choices, or maybe a character playtrough?
Whatever I did during my initial playthrough, I wasn't given an option. I ended up being forced to kill Shadowheart to save Nightsong. I ended up replaying the whole damn game to redo this differently than I did the first time. XD
For me because I was in coop and my friend started the cutscene, shadowheart doesn't say anything until after than reacts as if I stopped her :S I wrongly assumed she would come back later on in the playthrough... So of course I immediately played again and I just got to this point now.
Yeah first playthrough, I tried to persuade her but my pally only had like a +6 and I left behind any other boons for increasing it. Wouldn't even kind of pretend I was okay with killing Aylin even though we were the bestest of friends. Knocked her out. Later, reloaded and tried to kill her and revive her (she is not revivable after fighting her there), and finally went wayyyy back and beat that DC 30 check with some help from Wyll who had guidance from getting magic initiate bard spells. And maybe some item boons. I knew I could say one of the things like 'if you have to' and then tell her ah, nah, Aylin knows things, spare her, but that first bit of making it seem like I was on board with killing Aylin would've broken my RP too much
Yes. Moments like this should happen more often. But not as scripted 100% of the time event. ONLY if you make sure your companions have time and experiance to change their minds.
Honestly feel Shadowheart has the second best origin story. It is very emotional for us to learn about her past and seeing the choices she makes. And she is the one character that seems to have the most flexible alignment. At the beginning she is neutral, but your actions and playthrough sees her change, and the Shadowheart saving Nightsong is definitely on the side of good, while the dark justiciar is a more hardened villain type.
I love it. All of this scene is filled with a “Yes! In the end, Good wins. Being evil doesn’t pay” :P I’m having my second play through and my chaotic neutral Bardlock basically let Shadowheart do what she wants. She through away the spear, again. Which makes me believe she’s not supposed to be Sharran. Surprise, Astarion after seing the Nightsong fly off, says. “With her free, we only need to strike.” Even that little ball of chaos gets what a powerful ally we just made. Even grumpy Jaheira looks so satisfied for a moment. :D
I was near depressed after being in the under dark and then this place so long, when i got this ending it was the most impactful moment in the game i feel that kept me going and even tho no state rewards no better cutscean could reward and show a good ending then that
I’ve seen the Dame Aylin freedom scene multiple times (reload, videos, new playthrough) and while the first time is uniquely perfect, it’s still biblical each time
One of, yes just one of, the most Tear-jerking, heart wrenching, glorious moments in what ought to be the game of the century. Has any book or film ever tugged at my heart strings like this does. And I am in tears everytime I see this scene.
I've found it's actually harder to make her a Dark Justiciar. You basically have to be an evil bastard for her to do it without coaxing. Or you have to prod her in the right direction.
Players of Planescape: Torment will love this whole scenario, it takes me back to the overwhelming feeling of wonder I had traveling the planes, interacting with powers in play that I knew I would eventually have influence in. Emotionally it's one of the best moments in gaming - seeing her start to become her true self, aided by a powerful and unexpected ally in a beacon of holiness. Outstanding.
I auto proclaim myself king of persuasion, so i passed the test as normaly and is very curious to find out shes just not a stubborn as she appear to be. Also i never have any battle here lol... this game man is so full of paths
i did also same on the first that i ask if she is sure about all that and the second i trusted her - onestly i was shocked when she trow away the spear.
On my first playthrough, I didn't have Shadowheart in my party. After interacting with Nightsong and freeing her, Shadowheart will leave if you go without her. As I was doing a no-savescum first run, that meant I missed all this. I did get it on my second run though. This game is so good. The characters are great. The music is amazing. It stands at the apex of games.
on my first playthrough i convinced her to throw the spear away. On my second playthrough I wanted to see what she would do if she killed Nightsong, so i let her decide, fully expecting her to do it herself, I was completely shocked when I saw her throw it away all on her own. I've loved the character so much ever since.
Bhaltazar fucked me up my first time, he went first fucking ran and cloudkilled my whole group. Second time i faced him he didnt use cloudkill though suprisingly
I could've sworn I tried that and she still killed Nightsong lmao. Maybe I just didn't trust her that much in the face of potentially killing a seemingly innocent person. My character in playthrough one would not let that happen
it depends on how you played up to that path and if she trusts you. If you managed to be a "good" character and she trusts you, she will spare her. If she trusts you and you're an evil character, she will kill.
Shadowheart being scared saying "what will happen to me" had me crying. The best part is that she came to that conclusion on her own. She threw away her entire life's purpose. And when Shar punished and tortured her it was Selune who immediately took her in and protected her while also granting her back her cleric powers.
Wait, seriously?! I wonder what determines if she goes through with it or not. I was choosing mostly "good" options throughout the game, and my relationship with Shadowheart was decently high at the time.
Its based on your actions throughout the game. Grove, sparing the owlbear cub, generally good actions that makes her hand hurt.. All this leads to her abandoning Shar.@@terabellum
Honestly so satisfying trusting Shadowheart and letting the scene play out lol. I like that I don't have to whisper in her ear about what to do. Also there's a funny scene I remember that if you throw away the spear before meeting Aylin (Nightsong), Shar will scream at Shadowheart for being stupid lol.
"i'm gonna make Shart a dark justicier" 2 minutes later "Shadowheart, you have to relinquish Shar" BG3 is a hard game for me to play as a evil character... there is too much unnecessery evil to participate in.
"BG3 is a hard game for me to play as a evil character... there is too much unnecessery evil to participate in.". Read that again. Slowly. xD Theres a reason its called an evil run. Calling it unecessary is already defining it from a good characters POV lol Its RP. aka Not real. Go into it with the intent of being a selfish villain, not as a goodhearted morality paladin xD Thats the glory of DND. You can see how far you can push an RP before it breaks, its not real, thats why its called RP. In normal games you are forced to follow one path, or choices are predefined as right or wrong before you even arrive, where the "wrong" choice automatically leads to instant or rapid loss. With RP in a game like this, you can take choices you know are wrong IRL, but makes sense according to the pre-defined RP you set out to play as.
@@LilyMrrgglton what I mean by that is, in BG3 you can be evil idiot who harm others for no benefit. The moments when you feel like an evil mastermind are almost non-existent. You can be unkind or cruel. But the only moment you can succeed as villain is the end of a game
If you abandon her on the nautiloid and treat her like crap during the missions, she kills the Nightsong. To everyone who says "She chooses this on her own" hasn't yet grasped the depth of the game, and the impact of their choices.
It's one of my favoute things that it had such a high dc to talk her out of it but if you do nothing and trust her she makes the choice (good character story telling :) )@@terabellum
i really didnt like the way they made this whole thing. the narrator saying "you could still sway her to the path of light" clearly suggesting if you DONT sway her she will do it. the only hint she gives is the "i think so" its stupid and ends up robbing people of the experience of her making her own choice instead making people think theres no other way than to savescum a 30dc roll or to watch her go evil
THIS. The narration made me truly believe she would go through with it if I didn't convince her myself. If it wasn't for Twitch chat, I would have never chosen to just sit back and let her decide. (Very glad I listened to chat though)
I like the fake-out though. It makes the player question whether or not they trust Shadowheart to make the right decision in the end. It gives the characters the illusion of agency in a way that most games sorta handhold you through
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Having her throw away her spear when you chose "Don't interfere, trust Shadowheart" is even more incredible and rewarding.
I always thought i had to persuade her (and waste all my inspiration points to overcome that hard DC30 skill check) in order to change her mind. The narrator even told me that, thanks to my strong bond with SH, i might be able to turn her "from the path of duty to the path of light" so i just assumed that i had to do something because staying silent would be like giving the green light to the killing. Didn't know this was an option.
Seems kinda weird though, because not only it contradicts what the game tells me through the narrator (that i need to get involved), but also because SH was so determined to obey Shar just a few seconds before that it's strange to see her change her mind so quickly.
That's why I like the design of this part so much: you need to have absolute FAITH in Shadowheart. In that she will do the right thing even if the narrator is saying the opposite and the cost for her can be unimaginable. You have to trust all those brief but important moments (every time her hand hurt her is a hint) that she proved she is still a "good" person despite being brainwashed by Shar most of her life. It's brilliant. You need absolute faith in her love, and well, faith and love are what her arc is all about @@SirAlric82
@@SirAlric82 According to my information it depends on whether YOUR actions up to this point have been good or evil. Show her an evil example, and she follows suit. Show her a good example, and she reflexively leans to good even left to her own devices.
@@SpaceTimeSorcerer - Oh, i like to hear that! I hope you're right and that's indeed the case
I was worried she would kill her. Now I feel kind of bad for not trusting her. Next playthrough I will.
"She knows things about me. She has the answer, and I don't even know the question yet." What a fucking line that is. Damn.
Jennifer English CRUSHED the lines in that segment. She really really brought Shadowheart to life here. 🥺
Seeing shart throw her spear away was honestly one of my favourite moments
Shart is taking a shit in past tense
What I love the most is that you can do NOTHING, SAY nothing, and she does it. It's just her. For her to kill the Aasimar, you actively have to encourage Shart to do it.
letting her make the decision without even clicking the persuade option after starting a romance with her, having faith in her, and her living up to it, is a moment in gaming I will never forget
I don't know why, I saved beforehand, and I would have reloaded, but clicking the button to let her decide on her own was still nerve wracking
why did you abbreviate her name to shart lol
@@AimlessSavant lmfao its like you shit and fart at the same time and ppl usually call it "shart" actually a funny nickname
Aylin is my favourite NPC outside the companions. Everytime shes on screen is a show stopper, from freeing her to her stoming ketherics head in and beyond
Also breaking backs both in the bedroom and outside of it 🤪
I like Aylin better than some of the companions if I’m being honest.
There's a theory somewhere about Shadowheart and her divine magic, as if Selûne was the one giving her that magic all the time, and Shar only using her as a puppet through her followers wipping out her memory and washing her brain, as the reason why she never loses her powers even when Shar rejected her in this very scene. It's quite horrible and sweet at the same time, like she's been kidnapped and brainwashed against her will, but despite that, Selûne never give up on her, like a true divine mommy.
Honestly, I can get on board with that. I don't know much about D&D lore, but I always thought it odd that Shar, who wants to restore endless darkness, would provide magic in the form of radiance.
@@godoflemmings17 Just adding a bit of D&D Lore here!: Most deities do not care what type of damage you use as long as you use it to follow their will. Also, most spells can change how they look depending on the caster but it was Larian decision to make them look radiant (for example; Spiritual Weapon and Spirits Guardians look very shiny in the game, but on D&D they could have looked like... dark voids if Shadowheart desired)
Having played a pen a paper cleric of Selune for a whopping 10 years... that is typical Selune. Selune can present herself in many different moods as different are the moon phases, but she is always a motherly, calm presence.
@@heyyou193that is kinda cool though shar clerics having shadow themed cleric spells.
That aside, dont cleric abilities get granted by their deity? They even point this out when shar discarded her. Like she questions what fuels her power anymore. Seluné really is goated.
Yeah, it would fit Selune well. Shar can play the rewarding mother all she wants, but to Aylin's point, her clerics are just tools. Meanwhile, Selune is known for going to her clerics when called in times of need - a rarity for D&D gods.
SUCH an amazing moment!!
I also love that even Lae'zel says Shadowheart chose "rightly and courageously" and that she doesn't like seeing her in so much pain. Watching these characters grow is so lovely
Even Minthara shows compassion for Shadowheart if she choses to reject Shar. She says something along the lines of "It would have been more beneficial for us if Shadowheart became a Dark Justiciar, but it is better for Shadowheart this way".
I'm paraphrasing of course, I don't remember the exact line.
When Sven at Larian said the biggest thing he knew he needed was more and better writing, this is what he meant. I just enjoy seeing people experience this scene it is SOOO well done!
The extra effort paid off so unbelievably well. I can't wait to see what else this game has yet to show me. 😩
So true, Divinity original sin 2 was a technical triumph, but I could never really get into the story. It would appear that problem has been solved.
@@shaantitus1538 There is a "Candle scene" with Lohse's personal story in DOS2 that will stay with me to my grave. But beyond that they were really held back on how visually stunning they could have made their presentation.
They really hit their stride with BG3 and here's hoping they can keep it going with their future projects!
He said the they actually over hired the number of writers for bg3 to be on the safe side.
The second the music starts and you know Shadowheart made the right decision 🥹😭
This was the greatest moment of my first play through, and even now, I can’t ever bring myself to let her become a dark justiciar in my third go around. I love her character development
SAME. After I found out what/who the Nightsong actually was, I don't think I have it in me to ever do it differently.
Spoilers**
It's not as good character wise but it's still interesting. Shar makes her a dark justicar and charges her to cleanse the followers in baldurs gate, that the leader has strayed from shar. And you can persuade a large number to join your side in that fight which makes it different in a fun way.
She is still given the choice to kill her parents and by doing so becomes the Shars right hand and you can summon dark justiciars in final fight
She as a literal Transformation scene, in the Moonlight, and She punishes evil in the name of the moon.
She's Sailor Moon!!!!
I like how the original mind set going in, he was completely ok with making her a dark justiciar cause it's what she said she wanted, one of the most evil and feared sub factions in the world, that the game warns you about on multiple occasions, with even Shar seeming to lie and dispose of them freely. But did a quick 180 when he saw the price was a buff Aasimar girl xD
Happy wife, happy life? 😅
Shar worship may be kind of evil, but I still wanted our girl to be happy.
@@terabellumwith Shar worship? You’re never happy. She’s the lady of loss not happiness
@@terabellum I saw, what becomes out of SH as Dark Justiciar -- yes you can journey on with her, but she will become a soulless puppy of her goddess and does not even recognize her own parents any more.
It always seemed weird that Sharrans and Dark Justiciars seem to be more feared than the other evil gods and their followers.
“Baal and his murder cultists and spawn? Scary!
Shar and her followers wanting to shroud the word in darkness? Gods have mercy on our souls”
@@Haley123ful I think cause everyone knows Bhaal will just torture and murder you. Shar is a lot more elusive and for those who know anything about her, knows that she’ll do a lot worse than just simple torture and murder.
My favorite moment in the game. Shadowheart's arc is amazing and the Jennifer English's voice acting? My word that was amazing too.
Seems like most of the cinematic budget went to Shart and the writing budget went to Laezel. Haha
I actually turned Balthazar into a sheep and then knocked his ass into the abyss. Didn't even have time to conjur any skelies.
I did the same. Easiest fight ever 😂
The Dame Aylin being freed scene always gives me goosebumps
It is now in my "most memorable game moments" in my head.
wait till you see Aylin cast Bane in act 3.
Goosebumps at first, but when I experienced her as a free woman, and how much a Karen she is, the only thing that's keeping me from killing her are the people in Last Light Inn. X(
@@bukojoetheslapsoils8273 imagine being imprisoned in a realm totally opposite to your being (daughter of Selune in shadowfell), tortured and killed multiple times, but unable to die for over 100 years by the father of your lover.
@@bukojoetheslapsoils8273 idk what youre on lol. Just imagine being trapped in some dark place by the worst enemy of your mother, getting tortured and killed for 100 years cuz youre immortal. You wont go out without scars, either from body or soul. I dont think you would Act as if nothing ever happened. She isnt acting like a Karen idk what youre talking about
I never get tired of that scene. It’s so damn epic, my gosh it makes me grin so big when the drums line up with Nightsong’s fists punching the floor. This scene is an absolute masterpiece and probably one of the most powerful moments I’ve ever experienced in any video game.
One of the BEST moments in my playthrough! I had a little different journey, the only question I asked her, was "Is this what you truly want", and after I trusted her all the way! When we exited Shadowfell, the first thing I told her, was "You're not alone, you have me", and she admitted that I was by her side far more often than her dark goddess, and she professes undying love! From that point, she truly opened up! The secret in romancing her, is not prying at any point of your journey together, and more important, trusting her
Because I pried into her thoughts RIGHT before this, I was terrified she was going to go through with it. Chat convinced me to trust her, and I have ZERO regrets.
@@terabellum I know, I was feeling the same first time around, took a second playthrough to understand Shadowheart completely! On a first go, I begged her not to kill Nightsong, and conviced her by persuasion, although spent 3 inspiration points in a process! Second time around I was focused on Shadowheart, and was building my story in the way she'd love, and realized that trust is the key with her! Now I finally play tactician, and couldn't bring myself to let her become dark justiciar this time around also, cause I heard you couldn't romance her afterwards at all, Shar becomes her life! It is a challenging on tactician, but I have background knowledge of Divinity Original Sin 2, Larian's previous masterpice, and that gave me an edge, it's not the same, but similar combat, and also, you have freedom to do ANYTHING! Both games, legends!
Best part of the game, hands down. I have done 5 full playthroughs and only once did I have shart kill the Nightsong. It is worth doing to see what happens, but it is heart wrenching when you so how much worse things are for everyone based on that decision.
The battle between the sisters of the night even extended to her. She was always a Selunite she just forgot. And in this moment, something in her remembered.
The conversation after you get out is even more touching if you are romancing Shadowheart, truly gives you the feeling that you are the last pillar that keeps the spirit in her. Masterful writing truly.
The way Shadowheart and Lazel evolve as characters is amazing! I will always miss expieriening this game for the first time I ever played it
Ring ring "Yeah hello? Is this Withers? Yes, I want to respect pls. 4 clerics of Selune. Yes, u too. Thanks!"
Oh.
I'm coming from your video about Astarion.
So it's the channel thema ; "let them be horrible - oh no. oh no. oh no no no no NO WAY" ?
I'm 1000% with you :)
This was my favorite moment throughout the whole game. It's just so well written.
her decision's tied by how well you "nurtured" the relationship, and if your character's aligned for good, so if you have an evil character she'll go down the evil path but if you are good and you advanced her quest even if you didnt romance her just choosing to say nothing and to trust her leads to this on its own
Greatest reword in this game companions telling you. I am proud of you. You did the right thing.
Loved loved LOVED the melody playing when Nightsong was released! Takes every ounce of strength not to sing along when rewatching 😍
This game is so full of masterpieces moments, this is one of many, and I loved it. 190 hours, still did not finished my first playtrough, and I know I missed a lot thing (if only by beeing all around good). I wonder, wil I go for Spiderman 2 or play another run of Badur gate 3 with totally differents choices, or maybe a character playtrough?
Whatever I did during my initial playthrough, I wasn't given an option. I ended up being forced to kill Shadowheart to save Nightsong. I ended up replaying the whole damn game to redo this differently than I did the first time. XD
For me because I was in coop and my friend started the cutscene, shadowheart doesn't say anything until after than reacts as if I stopped her :S I wrongly assumed she would come back later on in the playthrough...
So of course I immediately played again and I just got to this point now.
Yeah first playthrough, I tried to persuade her but my pally only had like a +6 and I left behind any other boons for increasing it. Wouldn't even kind of pretend I was okay with killing Aylin even though we were the bestest of friends. Knocked her out. Later, reloaded and tried to kill her and revive her (she is not revivable after fighting her there), and finally went wayyyy back and beat that DC 30 check with some help from Wyll who had guidance from getting magic initiate bard spells. And maybe some item boons. I knew I could say one of the things like 'if you have to' and then tell her ah, nah, Aylin knows things, spare her, but that first bit of making it seem like I was on board with killing Aylin would've broken my RP too much
There is an option like this with Lae,Zel also
this scene is everything, got chills no matter how many times i watched it. love shadowheart so much 😭
Yes. Moments like this should happen more often.
But not as scripted 100% of the time event.
ONLY if you make sure your companions have time and experiance to change their minds.
her questline is powerful. No matter which path you take.I got very emotional too. Props to the voice actors and writers for that.
Honestly feel Shadowheart has the second best origin story. It is very emotional for us to learn about her past and seeing the choices she makes. And she is the one character that seems to have the most flexible alignment. At the beginning she is neutral, but your actions and playthrough sees her change, and the Shadowheart saving Nightsong is definitely on the side of good, while the dark justiciar is a more hardened villain type.
who got The Best? in your opinion
@@marekw7562 Dark Urge, no question. So closely tied into the whole main story of BG3.
@@dianabialaskahansen2972playing as a durge that romanced shadowheart, I agree lol
I love it. All of this scene is filled with a “Yes! In the end, Good wins. Being evil doesn’t pay” :P
I’m having my second play through and my chaotic neutral Bardlock basically let Shadowheart do what she wants. She through away the spear, again. Which makes me believe she’s not supposed to be Sharran.
Surprise, Astarion after seing the Nightsong fly off, says. “With her free, we only need to strike.” Even that little ball of chaos gets what a powerful ally we just made.
Even grumpy Jaheira looks so satisfied for a moment. :D
I was near depressed after being in the under dark and then this place so long, when i got this ending it was the most impactful moment in the game i feel that kept me going and even tho no state rewards no better cutscean could reward and show a good ending then that
The music is so good - when the horns come in as you see Jaheira is amazing
I’ve seen the Dame Aylin freedom scene multiple times (reload, videos, new playthrough) and while the first time is uniquely perfect, it’s still biblical each time
One of, yes just one of, the most Tear-jerking, heart wrenching, glorious moments in what ought to be the game of the century.
Has any book or film ever tugged at my heart strings like this does. And I am in tears everytime I see this scene.
I literally yelled and clapped when Shart threw her spear in my playthrough.
I've found it's actually harder to make her a Dark Justiciar. You basically have to be an evil bastard for her to do it without coaxing. Or you have to prod her in the right direction.
This is one of the best sequences in the game. Really made Shadowheart interesting for me.
I think this is the best scene in the whole game, so so magic and beautiful.
Players of Planescape: Torment will love this whole scenario, it takes me back to the overwhelming feeling of wonder I had traveling the planes, interacting with powers in play that I knew I would eventually have influence in. Emotionally it's one of the best moments in gaming - seeing her start to become her true self, aided by a powerful and unexpected ally in a beacon of holiness. Outstanding.
I absolutely love this storyline. This game!!!!
This scene brings me in tears. With divine beings like this you would think mindflayers would be wiped from existence. My inner paladin was in tears.
I auto proclaim myself king of persuasion, so i passed the test as normaly and is very curious to find out shes just not a stubborn as she appear to be.
Also i never have any battle here lol... this game man is so full of paths
I had a nat 20 on the 30 roll and was so happy xD
I have seen that scene at least 5 times and i never not tear up
i did also same on the first that i ask if she is sure about all that and the second i trusted her - onestly i was shocked when she trow away the spear.
On my first playthrough, I didn't have Shadowheart in my party. After interacting with Nightsong and freeing her, Shadowheart will leave if you go without her. As I was doing a no-savescum first run, that meant I missed all this. I did get it on my second run though. This game is so good. The characters are great. The music is amazing. It stands at the apex of games.
This game is a masterpiece for so many reasons ... story, writing, characters ...
I cry every time I see this scene. It’s so powerful
No doubt, that is a beautiful scene. The larian guys knocked that one out of the park.
i have played with 0 spoilers, and when she started hiting the ground i knew it was good choice, i have goosebombs everytime i see it
71 damage on a sneak attack, dang! Sharp-shooter really working out for you.
I was tempted to mutliclass gloom stalker on him, but the sneak attack numbers are just so damn juicy 😩
15:32 "She's not that powerful" Oh my sweet summer child, you have NO idea
on my first playthrough i convinced her to throw the spear away. On my second playthrough I wanted to see what she would do if she killed Nightsong, so i let her decide, fully expecting her to do it herself, I was completely shocked when I saw her throw it away all on her own. I've loved the character so much ever since.
There is a reason this won Game of the Year. This game brings so much emotion because the people who made loved every part of it.
is there any doubt that this game deserved every award from best game, soundtrack, and voice acting? i had chills too
Bhaltazar fucked me up my first time, he went first fucking ran and cloudkilled my whole group. Second time i faced him he didnt use cloudkill though suprisingly
I'm so thirsty for dame Aylin 😭
SAME.
She bats for the other team tho
@@ArjunSidhan I play both but unfortunately she seems quite taken already
@ArjunSidhan And you know that she doesn't play both teams how exactly?
God I hope Larian studio's let's us play as Aasimar
"There's so many skellingtons" was my exact reaction :)
Ketheric, there is 300 pounds of armored angelic fury coming your way....
And you are no longer immortal! 😂😂😂
This moment was so much more amplified in amazement when I played a selunite cleric romancing Shadowheart
If you don't interfere at all, she lets Nightsong live .. you don't need the persuasion and you get more approval.
I could've sworn I tried that and she still killed Nightsong lmao. Maybe I just didn't trust her that much in the face of potentially killing a seemingly innocent person. My character in playthrough one would not let that happen
it depends on how you played up to that path and if she trusts you. If you managed to be a "good" character and she trusts you, she will spare her. If she trusts you and you're an evil character, she will kill.
When she starts to speak in Urianger
i'm not crying. you're crying!
Classic case of "not sorry for doing something, but sorry about getting caught"
Shadowheart being scared saying "what will happen to me" had me crying. The best part is that she came to that conclusion on her own. She threw away her entire life's purpose. And when Shar punished and tortured her it was Selune who immediately took her in and protected her while also granting her back her cleric powers.
on my current playthrough I killed Balthazar before going to the Astral plane,so so so much easier.
Do you have your full playthrough uploaded? I would love to see it! 😃
When I let her do her thing in my playthrough she just got stabby xD
Reloaded and convinced her otherwise.
Wait, seriously?! I wonder what determines if she goes through with it or not.
I was choosing mostly "good" options throughout the game, and my relationship with Shadowheart was decently high at the time.
Its based on your actions throughout the game. Grove, sparing the owlbear cub, generally good actions that makes her hand hurt.. All this leads to her abandoning Shar.@@terabellum
@@ZelothGreyThat's amazing. I really am glad you don't have to pass the checks for this outcome.
@@ZelothGreyOH my God, you can TEACH her to be good or evil?! That's so insanely cool.
Honestly so satisfying trusting Shadowheart and letting the scene play out lol. I like that I don't have to whisper in her ear about what to do. Also there's a funny scene I remember that if you throw away the spear before meeting Aylin (Nightsong), Shar will scream at Shadowheart for being stupid lol.
You can actually trigger this outcome automatically by throwing away the spear before the encounter, which is kind of funny
meanwhile i killed Balthazar in the room we meet him with so many barrels
without knowing what happens in this video, thats what hsppens if you ignore a shart
I am so proud of her.
Also the voice actor, the sadness in the eyes, and the motion of the char is done so well. I cried over Laezel,Astarion, and Shadowheart.
What a frigging gripping great game !!
when a quest is so good that you don't give a s**t about the reward...
"she's not that powerful isn't it"
yup ... she is definitely that powerful
Shadowheart started being one of my least favorite companions. She ended up being my favorite by a huge margin.
I lost Shadowheart here. I tried persuasion and she became hostile and had to kill her. Didn't know there was a way to keep them both alive.
All you had to do was to trust her! "Don't interfere, trust Shadowheart" was my choice.
Best moment in gaming history.
With enough in game "nightsong" points in coding, that is how she will by default throws away the spear and no longer is cleric of Shar onwards.
Trust her
EPIC !
Not letting shart wear the marksmanship hat is a crime its the only hat she can wear
"i'm gonna make Shart a dark justicier"
2 minutes later
"Shadowheart, you have to relinquish Shar"
BG3 is a hard game for me to play as a evil character... there is too much unnecessery evil to participate in.
I actually abandoned a "commit durge" playthrough because I felt awful 😅
"BG3 is a hard game for me to play as a evil character... there is too much unnecessery evil to participate in.". Read that again. Slowly. xD
Theres a reason its called an evil run. Calling it unecessary is already defining it from a good characters POV lol
Its RP. aka Not real. Go into it with the intent of being a selfish villain, not as a goodhearted morality paladin xD
Thats the glory of DND. You can see how far you can push an RP before it breaks, its not real, thats why its called RP.
In normal games you are forced to follow one path, or choices are predefined as right or wrong before you even arrive, where the "wrong" choice automatically leads to instant or rapid loss.
With RP in a game like this, you can take choices you know are wrong IRL, but makes sense according to the pre-defined RP you set out to play as.
@@LilyMrrgglton what I mean by that is, in BG3 you can be evil idiot who harm others for no benefit. The moments when you feel like an evil mastermind are almost non-existent.
You can be unkind or cruel. But the only moment you can succeed as villain is the end of a game
Doing all this but all you had to do was trust shadowheart.
When someone asks why or how Baldur's Gate 3 won "GAME OF THE YEAR 2023", show them this....
If you abandon her on the nautiloid and treat her like crap during the missions, she kills the Nightsong. To everyone who says "She chooses this on her own" hasn't yet grasped the depth of the game, and the impact of their choices.
I’m sorry, SHART!?
I know is long ago, but why nobody trust Shadowheart? I did. And is is easier path, trust is not dead in this game.
Still my favorite part of the game
shart face?
should've just trusted her dude :P
I KNOWW. Thankfully, chat passed a persuasion check on me to trust her. 😅
It's one of my favoute things that it had such a high dc to talk her out of it but if you do nothing and trust her she makes the choice (good character story telling :) )@@terabellum
i really didnt like the way they made this whole thing. the narrator saying "you could still sway her to the path of light" clearly suggesting if you DONT sway her she will do it. the only hint she gives is the "i think so" its stupid and ends up robbing people of the experience of her making her own choice instead making people think theres no other way than to savescum a 30dc roll or to watch her go evil
THIS. The narration made me truly believe she would go through with it if I didn't convince her myself.
If it wasn't for Twitch chat, I would have never chosen to just sit back and let her decide.
(Very glad I listened to chat though)
I like the fake-out though. It makes the player question whether or not they trust Shadowheart to make the right decision in the end. It gives the characters the illusion of agency in a way that most games sorta handhold you through
Mam u have a mustache.
Am I the only one who thinks calling Shadowheart "Shart" is a bit(!) unfortunate? A shart is something entirely different and not cute like she is.