Fixing the X-Men's PROBLEMATIC Designs (X-men '97)
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- Опубліковано 24 бер 2024
- They made some subtle changes to the iconic designs BUT the tiny details made a HUGE difference
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Why is this video in portrait mode? It crops the artwork and shrinks the image.
You noticed same thing, huh?
it was probably meant to be a Short, just longer lol
@@PavelPerez youtube shorts should have a feature for uploading longer videos
they could call it youtube shorts longs and allow horizontal videos
No it doesn't. If you orient vertically, it captures and fills everything. (Now, is this what they SHOULD have done? Eh, that's debatable.)
@@LionelRGuy I'm pretty sure it does. On my UA-cam app, on Android, it goes all the way vertical, no bars on the side, full screen vertical. That's why I said it seems it was meant to be for shorts. Or just for phones in this case maybe.
I have so much respect for OG 2d traditional artist
when the can't do that work that came before you it's a sign of the inadequacy of the preset
As I watch the comparison of the characters of both the shows, it stands out to me how the old designs seem to have more volume/depth. Even thought the new designs have the black shadows anatomically correct, yet they do not seem to create the same sense of depth for some reason.
Exactly. Its a HUGE detail that amongst others, almost every video calling the OG X-men show "Perfect", leaves out...or the fact that the brilliance of the show wasn't in the inconsistent models and budget animation, but in the fact that the stories were right out of the at that time, current X-men comic run.
There's too much "Group think" going on and not enough objectivity.
It’s because the artstyle of the original show uses 3 tone shadows most of the time but 97 uses 2 tone shadows most of the time. Due to this the original is way more off model and messier art and lower quality animation due to the complexity, 97 on the other hand has cleaner, better, and more consistent animation.
@@giosbizarreart9048 It's not just the Flat, Tone and Highlight approach used back then, its the actual base drawings.
Modern action cartoons/animation tend to oversimplify all shapes that are to be animated while the older stuff, like GI JOE, Bionic 6, 4 of the 1st 5 pilot episodes of TMNT(toei animation), Thundercats as well, they all have more depth and volume to the base linework even before tones and colors are applied.
It's 100% a byproduct of the art direction.
because those south korean digital animators are probably z00mers that aren't fans of the 90s tv show plus the south korean animation company wanting to standarize everything they do. Hand drawn animations will always reign supreme.
@@STRYDENT The lines look needlessly thick too, which makes it more kiddy and flash animation like
Og X-Men still looks better. It seems like there's more detail in the characters especially the hair and shading.
Yeah but they a nightmare to animate. Working in animation, you got to make the choice between movement and detail.
I feel like in a couple of years AI will be able to animate the new show with the detail the og had, making all these low budget/fast animation/cost cutting cГ@p from south korean companies, useless.
they are. this revival version went for a more simple look...
cost measures. which is funny considering disney has billions.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but I don't see how any one can say the original looks better
@YOUNGAVE215 the lady death strike episode is one of their best looking episodes. That's it.
Problem is also that they gave detail to the men and took details away from the women. Rogue and Storm's hair has less detail than Gambit's abs... why? Jean and Rogue's faces don't have enough structure. Jean's cheekbones are non existent. Rogue is too white and rounded. It looks cheapie
And rogue abs disappeared, also breast sizes and glutes in everyone of them lol. Storm's hair doesn't need the change because of animation for she almost don't appear in action in this season too, they should keep it, it was iconic
@@Mrpaleonto Jean and Storm don't have abs anymore either. The men still do but the women do not anymore
@@MShaiqablebe frank I don’t remember the women ever having abs honestly
They took away the big boobs and ass!😂
I'm still looking for someone to talk about why we had to lose Bishop's mullet. 🤣
If I had to give a reason, likely to try and make the animator’s job a little easier because hair is one thing that is hard to animate properly though more likely it was to do something different with Bishop.
While I do respect the original series the animators tried WAY too hard to replicate the Jim Lee/Scott Williams style which was absolute suicide! That’s kind of why it came out a little wonky sometimes. The new ones fixed that problem by streamlining the shading but leaving the character designs intact.
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I haven't watched it yet but it looks pretty good. That Johnny Quest tidbit was cool and I love learning stuff like this.
it looks like the standard anime quality of these last years, nothing special like back in the day. Still, these days is the best tv show animation there is and too standarized/already seen it for many people's taste. If the show isn't a success, I will blame the standarized animation.
I really liked the new designs, but the only thing I think is needed (and I don’t know why did they remove it) is the white light in the eyes. 👀 the pupils are missing that little white dot the 90’s ones always had (no matter the animation studio hired). Anyway, I’m really loving this new show and I think it’s actually amazing!
That hairstyle of Storm that Amelia did was way better than the final product- I find her attractive.
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I actually did a video on the animation of X-men 97. I think we’re eventually going to get the reveal of the role 3D models play in this show.
The AI voiced part on 2:01 came out of nowhere, and that was funny
There was nothing "Problematic" about X-Men TAS Designs.
They mean problematic in terms of workflow
Looks like somebody didn’t pay attention XD
@@victoreguerraworkflow was problematic for the time, today with all the modern technology and with all the money from Disney in 2024 it cannot be that the current animation has less details than that of the 90s....the animation studio MAPPA That produce jujustu kaisen with a fraction of resources and time produces wonders....."do better Disney"...😂
Someone commented before watching
They were pretty over designed dude, it made them hard to animate.
Great video!
There was nothing wrong with it. It makes cyclops colors pop more and it fixed cyclops long as head changing a lot.
Ive watched this channel for a long time and ive put up with it till now but this aspect ratio makes the viewing experience terrible, the content is the only reason im still subscribed
This is the kind of passion Marvel truly needs back to their workflow. X-Men '97 is a love letter to the original show and it respects the source material.
Even tho cartoons from the 90's were very detailed, x men tas was animated by AKOM, who are mostly known for Simpsons, and the fourth season of Transformers g1. If you watch those shows you'll know how cheap their animation is. That's why I think toei's Pryde of x -men, and studio Mir's x-men 97 both have better quality.
Did ya catch the electric guitar riff in the new theme intro music?
Hate the redesigns. old designs and animation is still gorgeous. Yes there are nit pick parts in the old show that is very budgeted at spots. But there are just as much amazing parts in the old show that I'm glad was made back then and not today where they try to cut as much corners as possible. But overall it looked great especially for a serious weekly animated show. Calling it problematic has certainly gotten by blood boiled a bit. Especially how lazy flash cartoonish the redesigns are
But my real question is: Why did they nerf Rogue's asscheeks?
😔 hopefully season 2 corrects this crime!
Dude her ass cheeks are fine. 😂
@@AnimationHustlePeople are conveniently leaving out , this was also the case with male characters
Wasn't her butt inconsistent in the original x men cartoon?
this is Disney, if you don't like it you are bigot...(but, i'm with you though!)
You know. The shading and volume reminds me of chainsaw mans animation a little bit. Also, thank you for this channel. I prefer this over cartoonbrew
When I read the title I assumed you were going to fix the cold semi-automated computer-made 97 animation.
Holy shirt, I faved that fan art on tumblr. That's wild. But then again, the realistic Pokemon guy got hired for the movie, so if you have the talent, sometimes good things happen.
Bait title.
all charactars look fine some more so than others except for storm
they fucking ruined storm my girl doesn't even has the blank eyes anymore when using her powers and they messed up her hair and cape. she's literally the only women who didn't get prettier (cause she was already hot af) but they actually made her design less appealing
So that’s why the animation was so good at the beginning and then the last season, the animation sucked. It was too detailed. And that’s why this show’s animation isn’t as good. They tried to make it easier to animate by taking the details out.
You know there is stuff like Ninja Scroll that is just as detailed but have great animation. The Animed Series needed more budget and manpower.
Actually computer animation 3D and 2D digital was around during that time but it was still very much niche, and not a mainstream production tool for animated series. Just to be clear here. Apple nor Pixar created computer animation, though it is true that the first full length 3d computer animated film was indeed Pixars Toy Story. In 1996. But the tools and their developers had been around decades prior.
I also missed XMen Evolution I hope it will have a new season
Absolutely hate the ratio aspect. Info was great but the ratio killed it for me.
why is Nightcrawler so short?
Night Crawler is usually in a crouching stance. (He’s not really that tall) Hence why in the Books. They some time refer to him as, the Fuzzy Blue Elf Devil
I do miss the detail from the original animation style of the animated series. That and the decision in not allowing Catherine Disher to play Jean Grey
How are they "Problematic"? I mean yeah the Rogue redesign is nerfed, but really isn't that terrible in design.
They were problematic for the animators because it was a nightmare to design and animate character with that much detail. Which is why in 97 they streamlined the designs to make them easier to animate
Ur vids are good but stop click baiting
Why do you say that? Why is this click bait?
@@LaerteSatanhe said the old designs were problematic and didn't really touch on the subject again in the video
@@FitMuffin Yes he did, the reason why it was problematic is because they were a nightmare to design and animate
X Men designs aren’t problematic. But your click bait worked. I’m here
They didn’t fix storms hair texture to make it like a black womans. Afro like hair…..
Like X-Men Red comics
In some rare cases it is possible to have TOO MUCH detail...
Lol..well they just said this very thing
It’s too bad she couldn’t find the balance she was looking for. While the new animation is far superior the over simplification of the designs is pretty jarring and not a good look. So far though the stories have somewhat offset the bad design choices that were made.
Voldemort is an X-men:))))
Fuck, I cant unsee this now
ok let me get this straight the xmen design were hard to animate because of the amount of detail but this level o detail within a character is pretty much the norm for almost all anime.
Most anime artists are heavily overworked and underpaid. A lot of times shots are also left unfinished when they air on TV
That hilarious anime are bug eye freaks with open and close mouths that does not even match the voice actors Expression let alone they stand like a complete stick o. I remember they tried to animated ironman and they say drawing ironman was hard yet that avengers cartoon in 2012 had no problem drawing and animating ironman smooyth even went for a upgrade design in season two with exactly how it looks animation no problem is the hilarious part for me
That's why so many anime shows end at 12 episodes. They run out of money because they spend almost all of it on animation. Like 2% of anime shows last more than 12 episodes.
Not quite. In anime the backgrounds look realistic but the characters faces are often simple. Depending on the show characters can go off model for a joke.
You gotta pay attention to animes more, designs are pretty simple over there too. Not as simplified as the west but still simple enough to make the job easier. You'll never see overly detailed animes unless two conditions are met. They have enough money to pay animators more to add in such detail and if the animators have enough time. Otherwise, it'll never happen
Must've been something problematic about rogue's *ass.*
they cut bishop dreads
I don't like Magneto and Xavier's lips in the new season I find it distracting.
No, the new designs are objectively worse.
So what your saying is today animators are lazy
So far, the only new designs I don’t like are Morph and Magneto’s costume. It’s like they picked the absolute worst outfit Magneto has ever worn, lol. I really think they would have been better off with the white one instead. As for Morph, first, he needs a fucking normal name like Scott and Logan, and secondly I have no idea what possessed these people to use such a cringey doppelgänger type look for him. It makes him look more like a villain than X-Man, especially when he’s using it while not “on duty”. I think someone compared it to Voldemort and they are right on the money.
The only other thing, so far, that bothers me are the characters’ eyes. Their pupils always appear to be dilated, like they’re all heavily coked up or something and I find it makes certain close-ups very weird. Like especially that close-up shot of Magneto when he’s talking about the Will. He looks high.
Magneto's costume is from the comics and was used in the same trial as '97 thus why they used it. I do agree with you about Morph using the blank face as it just makes him look like Caliban (whom I thought that was the case when they first announced '97 since Jubilee knows him) or Chameleon from Spider-Man.
bahahahahahahah @ heavily coked up. Also, YES!!! The close ups are creepy
Technically Morph has a real name, Kevin Sydney, they just never referenced it in the original show and so far haven't referenced it in '97 as of episode 3.
Dunno if it was intended or not but the only thing this video has managed to prove is that modern artists suck balls at drawing and fancy digital tools won't make up for their lack of talent. The old designs were perfect, while the new ones all look flat and lack detail in comparison.
THEY STREAMLINED IT FOR A REASON. The OG X-Men show was great but the animations were extremely stiff. And it doesn't help that they were working with close deadlines. The reason why 97 streamlined the designs is so that animation becomes easier and the animators can focus more on making the movement feel natural and lifelike rather than so much detail in the drawings that to save cost the movement would need to be stiffer
@@samanimations2002 Nice headcanon bro.
@@DGP406 it’s not even a headcanon that’s literally how animation works when on a budget. Streamlined art = better animation
Detailed art = stiffer animation
TL;DR: Too much work; Simplify and nerf.
I like the way this show looks but Rogue and Storm costumes were always awful in that series. Rogue should have been in the majority green suit with the hoodie.That yellow and green costume was Always awful. And that Portacio drawn Tina Turner looking costume is great on the iconic rocker but not on Storm. Is she a heroine or is she about to go on the stage.
I have gripes with the animation, but I like the X-men 97 designs.
They are a good balance of details. Far better than the last season of the OG show.
unfortunately it doesn't look like the original at all. The simplifying has completely removed the essence of the original and made it look modern. I watched that show as a child in the 90s and it's absolutely epic. They don't animate like that anymore in the US and it shows
People don't animate like that anymore because the tons of details in the old designs create tons of problems for workflow. It's just animation 101. The current design, imo, is the best compromise between detail and workability.
The designs look the same to me, plus the new animation is so much more energetic and fast paced. I like it🤷♂️
@@runbaa9285Tell that to MAPPA studio, there is a lot of animation that is produced with details, but the people at Disney are just lazy....come on, the Japanese produce better quality with fewer resources and much less...Way lesss time....😂😂😂.
@@spider-jonah-man7148You need to check your eyes, yes the animation is fine, but animation is not the same as character design, the design is similar but not the same and that "same" corresponds to the details, the same video says so... .basically..."many details and we are lazy and we don't want to work on so many details"...bro...I would give them the benefit of the doubt but with the resources that Disney manages this is not an excuse.😂
@@mcruz4571 yea but the designs are the same, only thing that changed it the shading. And in motion the new shows animation is 100x better
I understand the limitations but it’s 2024. why didn’t they just try harder. Animation has come a long way.
Try harder? That's not how animation works dude
Limitations? They have less limitations. There are more color options. There is AI for things like interpolation. There are gradient brushes. There is even things like grease pencil. We see what anime studios are doing with animation. An episode of anime cost 100k. An episode in the US cost about 2 million. Limitations?
@@themightyflog Don't bother. You dealing with nitwits who doesn't understand the animation process. And as someone who actually seen the three episodes, they animator did a really good job
If anything we have fewer limitations in 2024.
@@xblade149 yeah and you do I’m sure? It’s creative decisions. There are costless ways to make the background appear separate from the objects in the foreground. It’s just color theory and an understanding of atmospheric perspective.
mf made a 8 minute long short
I find it ironic that some hand draw anime looks really dated on certain shows and movies and only reason to come back to it was the stories when the U.S. cartoons Like X-Men, Batman and Spider-Man are just artistic with almost every frame with great stories. But now anime has better art with 2D animation where the U.S. are becoming the questionable ones. Hell, for BTAS(Batman The Animated Series) when they shifted Art styles is noticeable, especially with Joker (God what were they thinking?), then another style change when Justice Leage came along but it improved version 2 of Batman. Now to get to my point because I should just make a video about style change for Batman alone. It's ok to simplify the animation in comparison to the original show but simplify it too much and you will not get the number of viewers you want. Right now, it bothers me on how Magneto's face looks with or without his helmet.
Imagine trying to make a change and better the designs and keep the guys looking ripped and in shape and have the ladies with this one dull body type? I don't get it. Because the new artist don't want to the women to look too "Sexual" They come up with a lack of detail in outfits and back outfits. The OG designs was perfect. It showed detail in the body of the characters but the talent from the artist and what they could do. Don't be scared to do some whacky outfits or show some details in the abs , butt, neck, chest and thighs. Once people started to worry about the wrong things in art it went down hill. Bring back the times when things was free and we just admiring the art and skills
Hana Barbara looking xmen
😂
Now they look basic and under designed .
Edit- I was wondering why it looks "What if" /"Spoof" like. They look cheap, its because less detail and effort went into making them. And that is shameful when X-men Evolution made better looking characters 20+ years ago and this is supposed to be Disney present day ,Queen of Cgi and animation.
It still looks good
It looks off .
The shapes are better (ok maybe not Rogue obviously), but the proportions are better...The costumes look better. Wolverine's mask, Cyclops' visor, Jean Grey's hair Beats hair etc
I have the action figures and they look better. Funny enough the Rogue 97 figure has shape lol . But for some reason in the show they look like they are half Saiyan half Boondock@@skarhead7597 Jubilee looks goofy.
@@theegreendragon The animation alone makes up for the lack of detail
Stop with this "fixing" "problematic " bullshit.
They meant hard to animate not offensive. Problematic can mean more than one thing.
Problematic means more than just offensive my friend
If Cybersix could do it in the Fox Box era, then they could have today.
Disney should've just hire Jim Lee for the art design.
Rogue and Gene Grey have the Dot Matrix uniboob.
The old Xmen animation was better ..this new Xmen 97 animation looks Wonky and kind of Off in a weird way btw the got Magneto looking like Granny Goodness from the Superman origin comics...lol 😂😂😂
It's awful and I hate it
Dude. You fluff up the video so much. It has no need to be this repetitive.
I don't buy the excuses of the X-Men cartoon looking like such badly drawn poorly animated choppy low cell count trash becauee it was the 90s....We already had cartoons like Thundercats and Silverhawks and Batman back then that shit ALL OVER The X-Men cartoons. Pryde Of The X-Men looked AMAZING
..This was simply a case of work done on the cheap.
Exactly. 90s anime was like peak looking anime. 250k was the entire budget of neon Genesis evangelion. This has a way higher budget. 90s should have been peak like Japan.
Grew up watching this along with Batman: TAS, Spider-Man: TAS, and The Tick... what an unbelievable level of quality on display within these shows. I say the mastery of anatomy and animation from these teams could only be rivaled by Japanese anime (and a great deal of animes are still-frame dialogue shots, until the big fight scene occurs)..... Not really a fan of this woman's re-designs... As seen with a great deal of art today, it has a tint of "Trendy Instagram white wash"... Generally undefined and desexualized.......... Everyone's testosterone levels are a grave deal lower today, so as a byproduct: 6:20
Dude the women's designs look exactly the same from the original show. Please touch grass 😜
@@xblade149 no u touch grass and go to a strip club
Fewer AI reading sections please!
It looks good but I wish it was animated in 2D. It looks like a video game.
Xmen 97 is mostly 2d.
@@dalethompson6853 No it's 3D animation. They cel shaded it to look 3D like they do with The Dragon Ball Z games. Cel shading is when you put thick outlines on 3D characters to make them look 3D.
@@icecreamhero2375no it’s mostly 2D. It nowhere near looks like any of the db games. The ratio is probably 70%-2D 20%-3D
@@giosbizarreart9048 It looks cel shaded to me. It's not the exact same style as the DBZ games but They used CGI instead of drawing them every frame. If it was 2D animation it would look just like the original.
@@icecreamhero2375 2d animation has different styles, it wouldn't look exactly like the original unless they wanted it to. Studio Mir already confirmed that it's majority 2d.
They adapted them to this simplistic digital styled animation garbage. We lost the comic book look. There was nothing problematic.
The animation is choppy with very few frames.
We are in 2024 people, one would have expected to surpass the original by a lot, but that was not the case.
We'll see, there is always someone in the world that can edit it or make it better somehow.
The old characters look much better.
The new ones look flat and lose a ton of detail, and look way less sexy for both female and male characters.
Way to take away all of the lines that would make any of the characters actually look attractive. No more ripped muscles or curvy sexy shapes. Guess everything has to be flat and ugly these days.
Terribly dull.
The old school character designs put these ones to shame.
Edit* oh and they call these dull shapless bodies an "Upgrade". LMAO
The OG X-Men TAS designs wasn't problematic. It was almost perfect. Granted it takes longer to draw, but the upside is it's more comic accurate and more pleasing to watch. I don't mind waiting a year or 2 for a new season, as long as it's near or looks like the old design.
The new one X-Men 97's designs on the other hand are crap. It feels stiff and cheap. Somehow the older style looks fresher even if you watch it in 240p compared to the new shit digital cartoon designs even on 1080p or 4k.
The new show is crap. Designs, dialogue, pacing is shit.
The old one still looks better
Nostalgia man
One look at Wolverine's mask says otherwise. New sho looks better, except for taking away the female curves. That sucks. Poor Rogue
Maybe in stills, but in motion the new designs move a lot better as they are more animation friendly
There is something about this new animation that just doesn’t seem right.
Uuuuhhhhh
INMO I prefer the original designs
Basically, Disney in 2024 with all the money in the world and time and modern technology does not want to do detailed animation, because the animators are lazy and do not want to work that much... come on... MAPPA studio produces high quality animation and with much, much....much less time and resources.😂😂😂😂😂
You really can't talk about "animators being lazy" and then clean the shoes of a japanese animation studio where the animators most likely are and have been affected by crunch time and low payment, just like other ones over there...
@@MyStellarSpaceExactly
@@MyStellarSpace You literally prove my point, Disney animators are lazy, they don't want to do details and they have the time and resources that the Japanese dream of having, the Japanese don't have those luxuries and they achieve wonders...they suffer and sacrifice to make something of quality while at Disney the animators whine....🤦♀️🤦♀️
@@mcruz4571 that's not a good thing, they should not be suffering for the entertainment of the masses. They deserve to have better schedules and compensation. Not wanting to do slave labour is not laziness
So that’s why Rogue lost her curves hmmmm makes sense
I don't like the new designs. I wish they just made them look more like the originals. Rogue looks old, Bishop's new hair is weird, and I just don't like Jubilee's new look.
too detailed?
An excuse for the uniboobs
Are you serious?
@@CalebTheUncool you can tell he hasn't touch grass or spoke to a woman
Been touching grass and live females since I was 13. Which is why I know Rogue was nerfed BADLY. Most of the people OK with it are men that like other hairy men.
@@skarhead7597 What?
@@CalebTheUncoolit sounds like an excuse they were making for “modern” audiences talking about “realistic” fabric. It was their excuse for the uniboobs and diaper pants.
This video is exactly the kind of video that youtube promotes and exactly the kind I block. Sorry to the creator but you playing the game
This overdesigned look is exactly what made the old series so great. the new design looks bland as if they were cheap 3d models that were forgotten to be detailed
"...look just like the 90's show"... Yeah, which is exactly why they CHANGED the design, to make it look JUST like the 90's show yeah... cue the clown music already x''D
We want to know who's responsible for modeling Storm's ugly mohawk.
Tell me you have no idea that look came from 80's comic let alone the original cartoon use that hair style in a future episode
@iancruz6617 I know the episode where bishop goes to another timeline and Wolverine and Storm are a couple.
The punk mohawk fitted the style of the her dystopian outfit her fashion was cyber ugly on purpose. She still wears her normal costume in 97 there was no need to give her a mohawk. I was alive in 97' Mohawks were not in fashion then.
Why are you talking so far, and that music is annoying.
The underwear on the outside have to go. I hope eventually they get a revamp to the current comic costume .
Xmen 97' shouldnted be expect to measure up to something Marvel made in the 90s. The old stuff is way better but 97 is good. Storm's hair grew on me in her white suit. Im used to that mohawk with her punk clothes but it could have been far worse.