Hope never became the white Phoenix of the crown, she was just a white Phoenix. Only Jean was the white Phoenix of the crown. Even in this story, it was Jean as the Phoenix who gave Hope the Phoenix portion
See the problem is that in Grant Morrison's Here Comes Tomorrow, the comic you're referencing, it talks about Jean's pure connection with the Phoenix and the she's the one one who can attain that power, but in X-Men: Hope it's established that Hope can as well and is destined to. Everyone overlooks that for some reason. Not sure why.
I believe they told us this because the original intention at the time was for Hope to be the reincarnation of Jean, but for some reason, that plan was canceled. @@comics_explained
@@comics_explained yes but she never did, Jean was in the white hot room as the wpotc watching AVX unfold, therefore Hope never became the wpotc. She was def supposed to be a Jean clone/reincarnation, but thankfully Jean Grey is back. No matter what new comics come by, Jean Grey as the Phoenix is the single most powerful being in Marvel omniverse after Toaa (assuming toaa is still the creator lol)
Dude, literally the phoenix five, until harassed by the Avengers, were doing good things and in control, the Avengers literally made everything on their power to make them freak out and turn villains, and once the damage was done, it was all Cyclops fault. Cyclops is the hero of the story, the rest the villains, they could had helped him transfer slowly the entity to hope and train her, like they did in the end, but not, they had to push the entity possessed people to the brink of insanity, call it "Cyclops villain ark" is wrong, he was the hero of the story. The bad guys won by corrupt him forcibly in the end.@@comics_explained
If i remember right, he blamed the phoenix force soon after he was broken out of prison in the following arc as he, Emma and Magneto were on the run. Cyclops said something along the lines of the phoenix made him do it. But lore wise, the phoenix force amplifies what was already present. Including emotions, so... cyke had that resentment and hate building up for Xavier for how many arcs? 🤔
@@theoutlawking9123 how is he a badass here? he's only powerful, but as a character he's insane and a complete loser, the complete opposite of the character most people like
@@EmilianoAC1 It's called character growth, he wasn't the pushover boring ass boyscout that people was accustom to. Plus he wasn't a villain, every fan with Half a damn brain saw that the Avengers were the real bad guys, everything that happened with the Phoenix force was their fault, especially Tony Stark.
Apparently, he did. There was an event. Lame way to die, too. But then he got brought back with the ability to create heat in his claws and make them hot pokers.
@@Ishowpounds The kicker with Wolverine is he does die often, he just doesn't stay dead. There was an event where he ends up being encased in adamantium and dying for real (for a while), but healing factors heal and can kind of resuscitate? I mean, Wolverine literally lived through being turned into a skeleton. I just think major healing factors include an innate CPR factor haha.
@@thisisabackupemail2264 There was a story where Nick Fury had his head put in a vacuum and Wolverine went into suspended animation and he still came back to life when exposed to oxygen again. Nick Fury said that his power isn’t healing, his power is simply survival.
Lol before we know it Pyro will be able to control the Sun, Colossus will be made out of Vibranium and Nightcrawler will learn how to teleport through time and space😅
That’s almost every super hero at this point. Every hero has had there unstoppable moment and when ever there is a versus discussion it’s always people debating with the most op abilities. I’m tired of god like hero’s it’s bad writing at this point.
Things to keep in mind: - The Avengers broke up the Phoenix when the X-Men didn’t ask for it - Cyclops was told by Cable in the future that the Phoenix would bring back Mutants -The Phoenix Five was doing good things even Reed Richards admitted so -Cap showed up to Utopia with Wolverine and a helicopter full of Avengers -Xavier was mentally threatening to shut down Scott’s mind basically forcing his hand In the end….Scott was Right!
Every bad thing that happens in this story is the Avengers' fault. They've never stood up for the X-Men and mutants. They didn't listen to Cyclops at all. The whole "Hosting the Phoenix will drive you mad" thing was disproven by Rachel Summers, who WAS IN THE STORY. The Avengers shattered the Phoenix, then kept attacking when the X-Men were doing good things. They forced the fight. Had they trusted the X-Men, Hope would have still wound up with the Phoenix, with Cyclops watching over her. HE knows what it can do, and would have likely guided her through restoring mutants, then sending/sealing it away. Same ending, much less death and destruction. The Avengers are the villains here. Not the X-Men. Not Cyclops.
yep this sounds very similar to the jedi council and their blind twisted ways that never seem to achieve anything. and to top it all off most of the dark side users in star wars came from the Jedi side. so clearly Yoda and the "jedi way" was a complete and utter failure lol. seems like the avengers are following in the footsteps of the jedi lol
Cant understand the double standards scott was protecting his child his race mutants and he is the villain and Logan is hero who can kill anybody even children
The sheer hypocrisy of this particular arc is astounding...The avengers, Wolverine's, Xavier, Stark's....its a hypocrisy fest and the only one who got to be judged was cyclops...And if he didnt get to be so much more popular because of it,.they would have simply cast him as a villain and forget him. Even tried to kill him in Inhumans vs Xmen...
This is pretty much marvel's cup of tea, just look at the recent Punisher run. Frank got demon powers but only use them to punish the guilty, ONLY the Guilty. But once again the Avengers couldn't stand that someone was doing their job better than them so they went after Frank. And look who Cap had on that little team: Wolverine and Black Widow, one's a former KGB assassin that use to kill for Castro and the Russians, the other has lived for so long he's killed more people that the black plague. Yet both of them lectured Frank, marvel is just full of Fucking hypocrites.
CYCLOPS: I was made the villain by the troubles you've caused to all mutantkind. SCARLET WITCH: And I am still a pardoned Avenger who defeated you. CYCLOPS: I may have lost the war but in the end, mutantkind flourished again.
It is actually Jean that enters Scott's mind from the White Hot Room (not Hope) and urges him to let go of Phoenix. Kieron Gillen - writer of the AvX Cyclops one shot tie in - confirmed that in an interview. Jean sent Phoenix to Hope, so that Hope could restart the X gene. I suspect the upcoming X-men Forever, will shed more light on this.
Exactly. Also, dumb fanboys took that "no more Phoenix" out of context, and that's why for years we have this Scarlet Witch vs Dark Phoenix comparison, which in reality, Dark Phoenix (any version) destroys Scarlet Witch instantly lol
Whenever anyone asks me, "What superpower would I want?" I always replay.... " to be better than everyone at everything, even in fiction or in reality." Basicly be Hope Summers.
Scott taking the Phoenix from Emma by choking her Emma: "H-harder..." Scott: "What?" Everyone: "Whoa!" Emma: "You have to fight against the Phoenix's influence harder, Scott."
@@jamman9569 I don't think it's unwarranted criticism of the Avengers. Captain America goes around representing and standing by the United States, while doing nothing to stop the rampant genocide of mutants by the US. During this Avengers vs X-Men run, yeah the Avengers were the bad guys. They show up to the mutant island apparently interested in peaceful negotiations, and yet they brought a helicarrier stocked with missiles and guns. Then they turn around and criticize Cyclops for "putting the childrens' lives in danger". The Avengers' attempts to stop the Phoenix Force from ever meeting with Hope (and possibly saving the mutant race) is the entire reason it was split up and given to people it shouldn't have gone to in the first place. Maybe the Avengers aren't outright villains to the X-Men, but they are at the most charitable willful bystanders in the constant anti-mutant terrorism and genocide, while also defending and upholding the institutions that inflict that terrorism and genocide in the first place. If I was a mutant, I would absolutely view the Avengers in a negative light.
@goticogordo Nah you never read it to begin with. The Avengers think about the whole world, and prior to this, helped the Xmen numerous times in team ups.
It must piss you off something fierce, cyclops got so much more popular after this arc...he came out as not only being right for a lot of Comics readers, but a true hero for the mutant kind a its greatest leader.
He was in the wrong but hey, stark is known for being really paranoid and the phoenix could have potentially destroyed the world, so i understand the fear and why they tried destroying it, but everything after that is unjustifiable the avengers sucked in this comic book
You know what I'm loving... That Mr. Sinister's one vulnerability is Cyclop's optic blast. But when you remember that his optic blast is concussive energy from the Punch! Dimension... you realize that Mr. Sinister, like most researchers, is deathly vulnerable to getting punched 😅😅😅
Same! He's probably my favorite Marvel character, I just hated how they treated him after that, both in-universe and out. People were such hypocrites, as if nobody was ever mind controlled or got their mind twisted to kill people in Marvel. Also, they all conveniently forgot what the Dark Phoenix was.
@@XainfinenI love the champions comic, but they keep calling Cyclops Hitler, and young Scott keeps never wanting to grow up to be the Cyclops at the time
Scarlet Witch was the cause of all this crap! She was the one who wiped out the mutant population! Why the hell was she even allowed to be part of this fight, yet alone a part of the Avengers?!!!
Rob talks about any mutant character. "Now for those of you guys who don't know, this is ONE OF THEE MOST powerful mutants in the history of marvel comics." Me... "He says that about every mutant character and I love it." Hey Rob can we get a count down of your most powerful mutant list.
Cyclops needs to be in more video ganes and movies. Cyclops is one of my favorite X-Men. I really like his design, his hair, he looks cool (I like the X-Men costume that exposed his hair). And he's more powerful than what people give him credit for.
Seems like with every x-men story Charles descends further into darkness. Every time they reveal more about him it seems like he was the bad guy, or at least “through any means necessary” guy.
we should stop this narrative that cyclops was a villain. He wasn’t a villain. He was a leader that felt slighted by everybody because everybody eventually did turn against him. It wasn’t because he went crazy. He just got tired of everybody, saying one thing and doing another.Scarlet Witch tried to wipe mutants out of existence and yet, she was never held accountable for that Scott as a leader did everything that he possibly could in order to protect mutantkind even to the point of him becoming a villain. it’s like telling Martin Luther King that he was wrong for his pursuit of trying to protect Black people and then everybody telling him that he hast to die in order to protect Black people. It’s no different when they did have the Phoenix force most of them did right, except for Namor.
@@ClockworkGearhead Oh I know, he wasn't trying to get the power, it was Tony trying to play God that split the damn thing into five parts and Cyke got one of them. And even after he got it he did nothing but good with it, saving the world, ffs, he and his team literally ended world hunger, but the Avengers just couldn't stand that the X-Men were doing their jobs better than them and kept pushing, well the Phoenix doesn't like to be pushed, that what's turned Scott "Ugly," and Xavier fucking deserve it for threatening to Lobotimize him.
@@theoutlawking9123 Yeah, I really _really_ don't get it. Worse thing is that the Avengers and Xavier both knew Cyclops had a better plan from the get-go with Hope and _tried to kill her._ Even Wolverine was on board with killing her. I really do not get how anyone can't look at this and think how any of them weren't corrupt or egotistical af. By the point Cyclops goes mad, they deserved a Dark Phoenix. I'm not even joking saying that. He was basically at Punisher level by then, and they were acting criminal.
The annoying thing about this is that Cyclops and Emma never did anything bad with the Phoenix Force, the only reason they go crazy is because they're constantly being antagonized by the Avengers.
Yeah that annoyed my soul. Cause when hope gets the phoenix they’re like oh wait and she essentially fixes the things cyclops was already doing before they poked the bear
Hearing _"The White Phoenix of the Crown"_ reminded me of the lyrics from *Leslie Hudson's* song _"Feel It All"_ about Jean Grey from her comic book themed album _The Redhead League._
"Xavier was responsible for whatever is the best in me. As for the rest, I take full responsibility" Sighs. It's lines like these that make you remember (if you ever forgot) of one's love for comics.
:56" Namor who uses his power to destroy wakanda" He gets the power of the phoenix and immediately becomes racist. "If I can't say the N word then no one shall." Is my favorite Namor quote.
I love how literally every comic book story is like, "Ok so THIS guy is the MOST POWERFUL guy EVER, but THIS GUY is even MORE POWERFUL, and this OTHER GUY is ACTUALLY the MOST most POWERFUL guy EVER but *ALSO* THIS GUY..."
This is one of the most tone deaf stories ever written. Cyclops was in the right until the very end - and the writers insisted that the Avengers were the good guys in this story. THIS is the story that made me hate Wolverine as a character. He was a traitor to his family and his kind.
@suggsverse Nope. Cyclops was losing it and Wolverine was right to try to create a safe space for the kids. Not only that but it was completely crazy of him to trust the cosmic entity that has almost killed them all.
Love your content but you left out some key things. Xavier’s sins were numerous at this point. Sending that team of kids, including Scott’s brother against Moiras wishes and then wiping there existence from everyone’s mind, allowing Danger to be a slave, trying to force himself into Scott’s mind against his will, only to be forced out by Emma in X-men legacy. Also Reed Richard’s himself even called out the Avengers hypocrisy. The X-men had made the world objectively better for all as the Phoenix 5, despite them even being that way because of Iron man. The Avengers kept poking the bear then yes, eventually one by one they succumbed to darkness. However, and this is key. While everyone is fighting Scott and Emma, she begs Scott to just destroy everything with her and start from scratch. Seeing she’s lost her mind and under attack from both the X-men and the Avengers at this point. He takes her out and absorbs her power. It isn’t till after all of this, and feeling forced to kill Xavier, does he finally become the Dark Phoenix. Cyclops was right.
It doesnt matter...The narrative was made to push Cyclops into the character of a villain...even when he was freaking RIGHT about everything. The avengers hipocrisy, their stupidity and arrogance to say they were doing the right thing aboht something rhey NEVER FACED BEFORE AND KNEW VERY LITTLE ABOUT or had very biased informantion sources (aka ultra jealous and hypocrite Wolverine...) made THEM the villains. But the avengers could no wrong! Their MOVIES were making big bucks and their, nearly unknow until said movies, characters were at all time high in popularity...while the xmen were in a severe decline...then you add that Disney and Marvel wanted to KILL the characters to screw Fox over....its pretty obvious the reasons for the sheer BS of the whole arc. Push forwards the avengers,.screw over the xmen....And when it FAILED? They tried again with the cheap mutants made by space gas from the moon....Just to fail again...
reed richards calling the avengers hypocrites is the pot calling the ketle black, he's done far worse things, if he believes it's what he must. but anyway, cyclops was kind of right, not wrong but not fully right either. it's what marvel does with these kind of stories so they can do a full 180 if they need to.
This is the type of upgrade Cyclops has always needed. He needs to transition to from Alpha to Omega status so he can emulate the same tier of power he's doing here
I always wondered why such a hugely powerful entity such as the Phoenix puts so much effort into these silly little insects on one planet in the entirety of the Universe.
It doesn't. It just seems that way because its multiversal. To _their perspective_ it seems like the Phoenix is focusing on them. To the Phoenix, it's just waving a finger.
My favorite X-Men and Scott Summers story is "From the Ashes," where Madelyne Pryor is first introduced. Claremont's writing is outstanding. Scott has never been more heroic and vulnerable. When everyone else has fallen under Mastermind's illusions, Scott comes to his senses and figures out the game Mastermind is planning. By himself, he figures out what to do. Formulate a plan, fight off the deceived X-Men, and get Rogue to Professor X. He even saves the day and has a happy ending with Madelyne. That WAS the SCOTT SUMMERS I miss. Why do all the comic book writers have to be deconstructionists these days. It's sad. After Scott left Maddie, he seemed to be more reactive than decisive, and Wolverine was rapidly taking over as the most popular X-Men.
Cyclops should have never been sorry for killing Charles Xavier, that bald asshole has done too many shady stuff to people for anyone to feel sorry about his death. And Cyclops was a child soldier made by Xavier, what do you expect. I still think Wolverine was a traitor to the x-men in this series, he just wanted to kiss the boots of the great Captain America.
It's more like Xavier's way wasn't realistic. Why did they have to alter the House of M reality again? The world was at peace with mutants and vise versa.
Because once you realize how one note Wolverine is he gets boring VERY fast. Scott has layers upon layers even down to his mutant gift and the trauma he has from it.
I remember reading this and thinking that if Cap and the Avengers had just let the mutants do what they wanted to do, which was let Hope have the power, then all of this would have been avoided
I never bought into the x-men being the villains, especially cyclops. This story ruined messiah complex, messiah war and second coming. Cyclops was right.
Rob I know you speak of retirement. But there’s nobody out there that makes comics come to life like you. You are a legend and I don’t know how you don’t have 100 million followers. Salute 🤝🔥🔥
Jean is actually the only WPotC. If you remember earlier in AvX when Cyclops absorbs the full 5 Phoenix fragments (and becomes Dark Phoenix) he tries to ascend beyond our dimension (to the white Hot Room) and Jean literally shuts him down lol. Jean is in the WHR watching all these events unfolds and she’s the one who told Scott to let it go. Also Hope was mimicking both Wanda’s Chaos Magic, Cyclop’s Phoenix Force AND the Iron Fist in order to knock Cyclops out. Also, Wanda and Hope both said “no more Phoenix” however it was purely Hope’s power which allowed her to expel the Phoenix and restore mutantkind. It’s confirmed in another issue that ties into the AvX storyline where the Cucoo sisters confirm it was Hope. I really love this storyline, as I’m sure you can tell, and I’m actually planning to read it again soon.
naw, Cyclops had turned his back on everyone, he bought into the same rhetoric Magneto had been espousing since his moustache-twirling days in the 60s.
@@pmaestro when was that? Was it after his closest allies (Avengers) invaded the island of Utopia or was it before another human led attack on the remaining 198 mutants?
Im down to watch Cyclops clown the Xmen and Avengers while under the control of a malicious Gene Grey clone I just wish it didn't have to super juice him to the point of being a Thanos level threat to do it. Scott letting go and using all his skills and tactics while not holding back would be fun to see.
The writers wanted to make Cyclops a villain, but they didnt even do it right. When everything settled down. Cyclops was proven right. And no, he never became a villain. Everyone treated him like the old Magneto, but if you read the comics post AvX, Cyclops never did anything villain like.
Its interesting that of the dark phoenix form Cyclops got and how different it is compared to the white phoenix , also that panel of Cap defending Xavier by blocking Cyclops blast is beautiful
I dispised everybody against Scott in this story. It comes down to Scott having the most logical position and everyone else saying "Nuh Uh." Scott refused to kill anyone up until Xavier(He could killed plenty at Iron fist's temple). Scarlet Witch is the source of the problem but she only gets screamed at once. Hope summers can go burn. I'm not saying Scott couldn't be wrong, but no arguement made against him was strong enough to top his but the story desperately sided against him.
wanna know whats so scary about Scott being the Phoenix, that over time he becomes extremely intelligent learning more and more about the Phoenix's powers
The sheer arrogance of Bendis, Fraction and Brubaker to antagonize Cyclops is mind bending. Only Hickman and Gillen did anything to sympathize with Cyclops.
Bad guy? Nah I wouldn't say that. This is the start of his fugitive arc but from here on our Cyclops doesn't really do much wrong other than tell the Avengers to duck off.
Cyclops was never the bad guy or a villain, if you read the comics after the schism he put a team to stop the most powerfull treats to the planet (extinction team) and do a great job preparing Hope for the arrival of new mutants. The Avengers broke the Phoenix Force because they thought it was a menace for the planet, but they never speak with the mutants about it, they just attack Utopia and never care for the mutant race
The new trio to lead the mcu Pedro Pascal as Mr Fantastic (iron Man analogue) Henry Cavill as Cyclops (Captain America analogue) We need a strong Thor analogue with an actor big enough to excite people who can fill the shoes
When Age of apocalypse came out, it showed the importance of Charles Xavier. The whole message of that run was that Xavier was not just a good man, he was the embodiment of something good that avoided the world to become a terrible place where only the strong would survive. Years later, the writers started deconstructing, demolishing this idea. First Onslaught, then Cassandra Nova, then this whole mess about the first secret x men team who got wiped out from both the world and everyone's memories, the Illuminati thing, etc, they increasingly made Xavier an unreliable and duplicitous man. Now in the krakoa run he basically admitted that Magneto was right all along. They really did Xavier dirty.
They did all the characters dirty in this comic. Captain America would not have tried to even attack in the first place, and he would have told Wolverine to kick rocks.
Xavier have always been duplicitous, you seem to forget that he made teens and children that turned to him for help and guidance to his personal child soldiers.
@@haroldcruz8550 you are right in pointing out that training teenagers to be a paramilitary force with political ideas isn't something that someone sane in his mind would do. All adults with common sense would think that way. However, that's a comic to entertain teenagers, so you can push the laws of realism into the superhero genre only to a certain degree. Actually,a man jumping from roofs in a bat suit being a vigilante with the help of a masked minor would be deemed crazy and outlaw in itself. Same for Bucky and Captain America... Bucky wasn't adult when he was fighting as a soldier. But that's superhero comics logic. The point in this case is another thing though, that is: assuming -based on comics logic- that Xavier was a good guy because of a dream that was needed to avoid the worsening of the world, the writers in the end made him spiral down morally through the years. And now the first Xavier isn't the Xavier we got today.
The bias of the guy that made the video is quite clear. There were quite obvious nuances to the whole arc and nothing was black/white but a lot of shades of grey. He happily forgets the hypocrisy of certain characters and their screw ups, but keep pushing his narrative that cyclops was going crazy by power and doingbad things when REED FUCKING RICHARDS SAID HIMSELF that the Phoenix 5 were doing GOOD THINGS FOR THE WHOLE OF HUMANITY AND NOT JUST MUTANKIND untill they were pushed into insanity and lost control of the Phoenix...something that was DONE ON THEM BY THE AVENGERS INTERFERENCE...its a pity, unbiased view on the whole history would show both parts had reasons for concern and were right, that working togheter would've been better, but under the people whon had experience in dealing with thr Phoenix...and those people WERENT the avengers...who didnt given a fuck about the mutants unless one of their mutants members screwed up...its a hipocrisy fest anyway you see it.
Hope never became the white Phoenix of the crown, she was just a white Phoenix. Only Jean was the white Phoenix of the crown. Even in this story, it was Jean as the Phoenix who gave Hope the Phoenix portion
See the problem is that in Grant Morrison's Here Comes Tomorrow, the comic you're referencing, it talks about Jean's pure connection with the Phoenix and the she's the one one who can attain that power, but in X-Men: Hope it's established that Hope can as well and is destined to. Everyone overlooks that for some reason. Not sure why.
I believe they told us this because the original intention at the time was for Hope to be the reincarnation of Jean, but for some reason, that plan was canceled. @@comics_explained
@@avelandra. I would believe that. AFAIK Hope was supposed to be jean reincarnated but they changed it. I’m not gonna swear to that.
@@comics_explained yes but she never did, Jean was in the white hot room as the wpotc watching AVX unfold, therefore Hope never became the wpotc. She was def supposed to be a Jean clone/reincarnation, but thankfully Jean Grey is back. No matter what new comics come by, Jean Grey as the Phoenix is the single most powerful being in Marvel omniverse after Toaa (assuming toaa is still the creator lol)
Dude, literally the phoenix five, until harassed by the Avengers, were doing good things and in control, the Avengers literally made everything on their power to make them freak out and turn villains, and once the damage was done, it was all Cyclops fault. Cyclops is the hero of the story, the rest the villains, they could had helped him transfer slowly the entity to hope and train her, like they did in the end, but not, they had to push the entity possessed people to the brink of insanity, call it "Cyclops villain ark" is wrong, he was the hero of the story. The bad guys won by corrupt him forcibly in the end.@@comics_explained
Remember, Cyclops' beams are concussive. Wolverine got his skin and meat punched off.
I thought that too, but maybe it was Phoenix fire?
@@4boydad Both combined! Concussive Phoenix Fire!
Gail Simone says they are fiery heat and not concussive.
They are only concussive when he lowers his output
Kind dumb when you think about it. How can a concussive beam that strong ignore all thermodynamics? Even bullets are hot.
Every other host of the Phoenix goes crazy and hurts a lot of people, "Dont worry it was the Pheonix". Cyclops does the same thing, "It was Him".
If i remember right, he blamed the phoenix force soon after he was broken out of prison in the following arc as he, Emma and Magneto were on the run. Cyclops said something along the lines of the phoenix made him do it. But lore wise, the phoenix force amplifies what was already present. Including emotions, so...
cyke had that resentment and hate building up for Xavier for how many arcs? 🤔
It's probably because he was already a tool.
Not like Cap and Tony wasn't trying to warn them. Did they listen?
Did he feel remorseful or sad when the Phoenix force was removed?
I swear everybody holds Scott accountable but everybody else gets a pass it’s hard being a cyclops fan😂😂😂
Cyclops will always be my favorite X-Man. I don’t like what they did with him after these events but to this day he will always the best
Oh c'mon that only made him more badass, they tried so hard to cancelled him but it just made him better 😂
@@theoutlawking9123 how is he a badass here? he's only powerful, but as a character he's insane and a complete loser, the complete opposite of the character most people like
@@EmilianoAC1 Insane? Are you fucking stupid or something, what TF brought you to that conclusion?!
Hopefully he gets done Justice in the x men movies this time instead of just getting cameos
@@EmilianoAC1 It's called character growth, he wasn't the pushover boring ass boyscout that people was accustom to. Plus he wasn't a villain, every fan with Half a damn brain saw that the Avengers were the real bad guys, everything that happened with the Phoenix force was their fault, especially Tony Stark.
“I killed Charles Xavier!”
“So?”
“What do you mean?”
“I’m pretty sure every character in a two mile radius of us has died at least twice.”
Did wolverine die? Thought he’s bones were strong
Apparently, he did. There was an event. Lame way to die, too.
But then he got brought back with the ability to create heat in his claws and make them hot pokers.
@@Ishowpounds The kicker with Wolverine is he does die often, he just doesn't stay dead. There was an event where he ends up being encased in adamantium and dying for real (for a while), but healing factors heal and can kind of resuscitate? I mean, Wolverine literally lived through being turned into a skeleton. I just think major healing factors include an innate CPR factor haha.
@@thisisabackupemail2264 There was a story where Nick Fury had his head put in a vacuum and Wolverine went into suspended animation and he still came back to life when exposed to oxygen again. Nick Fury said that his power isn’t healing, his power is simply survival.
@@gezenewsorc lifes matter
Honestly Cyclops with the phoenix force is such a badass design, I sort of wish he kept it permanently.
He regained it again only to have his neck snapped by God Emperor Doom.
Marvel have to sell toys lol
100% Both costumes were, when he was part of the 5, and as dark phoenix
The number of mutants that are "One of the most powerful mutants/beings in the universe" has really gotten outta hand.
😂😂😂
facts usa people
Lol before we know it Pyro will be able to control the Sun, Colossus will be made out of Vibranium and Nightcrawler will learn how to teleport through time and space😅
Its almost like humanity has a legitimate reason to fear them or something?
That’s almost every super hero at this point. Every hero has had there unstoppable moment and when ever there is a versus discussion it’s always people debating with the most op abilities. I’m tired of god like hero’s it’s bad writing at this point.
Things to keep in mind:
- The Avengers broke up the Phoenix when the X-Men didn’t ask for it
- Cyclops was told by Cable in the future that the Phoenix would bring back Mutants
-The Phoenix Five was doing good things even Reed Richards admitted so
-Cap showed up to Utopia with Wolverine and a helicopter full of Avengers
-Xavier was mentally threatening to shut down Scott’s mind basically forcing his hand
In the end….Scott was Right!
Exactly!
@@asssassynexactly
Every bad thing that happens in this story is the Avengers' fault. They've never stood up for the X-Men and mutants. They didn't listen to Cyclops at all. The whole "Hosting the Phoenix will drive you mad" thing was disproven by Rachel Summers, who WAS IN THE STORY. The Avengers shattered the Phoenix, then kept attacking when the X-Men were doing good things. They forced the fight. Had they trusted the X-Men, Hope would have still wound up with the Phoenix, with Cyclops watching over her. HE knows what it can do, and would have likely guided her through restoring mutants, then sending/sealing it away. Same ending, much less death and destruction.
The Avengers are the villains here. Not the X-Men. Not Cyclops.
@@RabidMetroid exactly
yep this sounds very similar to the jedi council and their blind twisted ways that never seem to achieve anything. and to top it all off most of the dark side users in star wars came from the Jedi side. so clearly Yoda and the "jedi way" was a complete and utter failure lol. seems like the avengers are following in the footsteps of the jedi lol
Remember how the Avengers, specifically Wolverine tried to KILL Hope Summers??? But Scott is the asshole... lmao!
Cant understand the double standards scott was protecting his child his race mutants and he is the villain and Logan is hero who can kill anybody even children
The sheer hypocrisy of this particular arc is astounding...The avengers, Wolverine's, Xavier, Stark's....its a hypocrisy fest and the only one who got to be judged was cyclops...And if he didnt get to be so much more popular because of it,.they would have simply cast him as a villain and forget him. Even tried to kill him in Inhumans vs Xmen...
@@ryusuken973 exactly
This is pretty much marvel's cup of tea, just look at the recent Punisher run. Frank got demon powers but only use them to punish the guilty, ONLY the Guilty. But once again the Avengers couldn't stand that someone was doing their job better than them so they went after Frank. And look who Cap had on that little team: Wolverine and Black Widow, one's a former KGB assassin that use to kill for Castro and the Russians, the other has lived for so long he's killed more people that the black plague. Yet both of them lectured Frank, marvel is just full of Fucking hypocrites.
@@ryusuken973 Jokes on them because that whole arc just made me love him even more. I love Rebel/Revolutionary Cyclops, the best he's ever been!
Wolverine healing factor works on his costume as well 😅
Yeah lol
@@GhidorahFan64 He brings a spare to every battle
He is very talented
Captain America too I suppose
The phoenix gave him new clothes. So powerful
I love how cyclops goes to jail but scarlet witch is free to do whatever and she killed more than he did
😁 they really tried their best to make cyclops a villain. It must've irritated them so much to see people side with him even more.
@@censorthispuertoricanCycclops is now Donald Trump 😂
@BOSOMOFABRAHAM77 no. You mean Malcom X
@@MartinDemario No Donald Trump.
@@MartinDemarioclown
CYCLOPS: I was made the villain by the troubles you've caused to all mutantkind.
SCARLET WITCH: And I am still a pardoned Avenger who defeated you.
CYCLOPS: I may have lost the war but in the end, mutantkind flourished again.
It is actually Jean that enters Scott's mind from the White Hot Room (not Hope) and urges him to let go of Phoenix. Kieron Gillen - writer of the AvX Cyclops one shot tie in - confirmed that in an interview. Jean sent Phoenix to Hope, so that Hope could restart the X gene. I suspect the upcoming X-men Forever, will shed more light on this.
Exactly. Also, dumb fanboys took that "no more Phoenix" out of context, and that's why for years we have this Scarlet Witch vs Dark Phoenix comparison, which in reality, Dark Phoenix (any version) destroys Scarlet Witch instantly lol
@@resulnaki There is not a version of Wanda that holds a candle to Dark Phoenix, let alone White Phoenix of the Crown.
@@mrvocal21 exactly. In fact, a full powered Jean Grey would beat Scarlet Witch as well.
@@resulnakiI'm glad she's back.
@@jasondavis2995 we all are
Whenever anyone asks me, "What superpower would I want?" I always replay.... " to be better than everyone at everything, even in fiction or in reality." Basicly be Hope Summers.
mine will now be to be better than @Pestsoutwest could ever hope to be in fiction or reality" XD
You'd like your superpower to be super narcissism? Your fav comic book villian must be Doctor Doom 😂
@@TheWerttyFilesrofl! Roasted
I hope @@blackmage665 realizes that they will be a mediocre cook and lover if they makes that wish.
To be fair, Doom is a lot of peoples favorite villain @@TheWerttyFiles
Scott taking the Phoenix from Emma by choking her
Emma: "H-harder..."
Scott: "What?"
Everyone: "Whoa!"
Emma: "You have to fight against the Phoenix's influence harder, Scott."
Naughty
Dragon Ball Z abridged? 😮
lol
Ok gooner
I always felt that the Avengers came across as villains in X-Men runs
They were the "police" that shutdown minorities fighting for their right of existing. So yeah, they were villains.
Then you really haven't done your research
@@jamman9569 nah you are the one that never read that shit right, the avengers clearly only think about themselves
@@jamman9569 I don't think it's unwarranted criticism of the Avengers. Captain America goes around representing and standing by the United States, while doing nothing to stop the rampant genocide of mutants by the US. During this Avengers vs X-Men run, yeah the Avengers were the bad guys. They show up to the mutant island apparently interested in peaceful negotiations, and yet they brought a helicarrier stocked with missiles and guns. Then they turn around and criticize Cyclops for "putting the childrens' lives in danger". The Avengers' attempts to stop the Phoenix Force from ever meeting with Hope (and possibly saving the mutant race) is the entire reason it was split up and given to people it shouldn't have gone to in the first place. Maybe the Avengers aren't outright villains to the X-Men, but they are at the most charitable willful bystanders in the constant anti-mutant terrorism and genocide, while also defending and upholding the institutions that inflict that terrorism and genocide in the first place. If I was a mutant, I would absolutely view the Avengers in a negative light.
@goticogordo Nah you never read it to begin with. The Avengers think about the whole world, and prior to this, helped the Xmen numerous times in team ups.
So, what happens is Stark couldn't mind his business and made things worse.
The Phoenix is everyone's business
It must piss you off something fierce, cyclops got so much more popular after this arc...he came out as not only being right for a lot of Comics readers, but a true hero for the mutant kind a its greatest leader.
@ryusuken973 It annoys me when people are wrong yes.
He was in the wrong but hey, stark is known for being really paranoid and the phoenix could have potentially destroyed the world, so i understand the fear and why they tried destroying it, but everything after that is unjustifiable the avengers sucked in this comic book
You know what I'm loving... That Mr. Sinister's one vulnerability is Cyclop's optic blast.
But when you remember that his optic blast is concussive energy from the Punch! Dimension... you realize that Mr. Sinister, like most researchers, is deathly vulnerable to getting punched
😅😅😅
The punch dimension is the most hilariously dumb name for something I've ever heard.
Always been a huge cyclops fan and this storyline was epic!
Same! He's probably my favorite Marvel character, I just hated how they treated him after that, both in-universe and out. People were such hypocrites, as if nobody was ever mind controlled or got their mind twisted to kill people in Marvel. Also, they all conveniently forgot what the Dark Phoenix was.
@@Xainfinenexactly
@@XainfinenI love the champions comic, but they keep calling Cyclops Hitler, and young Scott keeps never wanting to grow up to be the Cyclops at the time
Scarlet Witch was the cause of all this crap! She was the one who wiped out the mutant population! Why the hell was she even allowed to be part of this fight, yet alone a part of the Avengers?!!!
Bc she’s the strongest and the she ate
@@Songkang08genocide kweeen omfg 💅💅☺️
Rob talks about any mutant character.
"Now for those of you guys who don't know, this is ONE OF THEE MOST powerful mutants in the history of marvel comics."
Me... "He says that about every mutant character and I love it."
Hey Rob can we get a count down of your most powerful mutant list.
Cyclops needs to be in more video ganes and movies.
Cyclops is one of my favorite X-Men. I really like his design, his hair, he looks cool (I like the X-Men costume that exposed his hair). And he's more powerful than what people give him credit for.
Basically, Phoenix Force is an acid trip and unless you are clear of mind, you're not gunna have a good time.
Seems like with every x-men story Charles descends further into darkness. Every time they reveal more about him it seems like he was the bad guy, or at least “through any means necessary” guy.
Onhhh
And the exact opposite happens to magneto
we should stop this narrative that cyclops was a villain. He wasn’t a villain. He was a leader that felt slighted by everybody because everybody eventually did turn against him. It wasn’t because he went crazy. He just got tired of everybody, saying one thing and doing another.Scarlet Witch tried to wipe mutants out of existence and yet, she was never held accountable for that Scott as a leader did everything that he possibly could in order to protect mutantkind even to the point of him becoming a villain. it’s like telling Martin Luther King that he was wrong for his pursuit of trying to protect Black people and then everybody telling him that he hast to die in order to protect Black people. It’s no different when they did have the Phoenix force most of them did right, except for Namor.
Exactly
Well said but to me Cyke is more like Malcolm X: "By Any Means Necessary," and I love that!
@@theoutlawking9123 He didn't even start that way. He really was peaceful at the start, and didn't even want the power to begin with.
@@ClockworkGearhead Oh I know, he wasn't trying to get the power, it was Tony trying to play God that split the damn thing into five parts and Cyke got one of them. And even after he got it he did nothing but good with it, saving the world, ffs, he and his team literally ended world hunger, but the Avengers just couldn't stand that the X-Men were doing their jobs better than them and kept pushing, well the Phoenix doesn't like to be pushed, that what's turned Scott "Ugly," and Xavier fucking deserve it for threatening to Lobotimize him.
@@theoutlawking9123 Yeah, I really _really_ don't get it. Worse thing is that the Avengers and Xavier both knew Cyclops had a better plan from the get-go with Hope and _tried to kill her._ Even Wolverine was on board with killing her.
I really do not get how anyone can't look at this and think how any of them weren't corrupt or egotistical af.
By the point Cyclops goes mad, they deserved a Dark Phoenix. I'm not even joking saying that. He was basically at Punisher level by then, and they were acting criminal.
This was when i went on a comicbook hiatus. Not cause it was bad but i wanted to leave knowing Cyclops was the top dawg!!
The annoying thing about this is that Cyclops and Emma never did anything bad with the Phoenix Force, the only reason they go crazy is because they're constantly being antagonized by the Avengers.
This!!!
Yup. Yet the writers made everyone hate them and it makes no sense to this day.
@@ryanbradley9383exactly
Just Marvel's shit writing.
Yeah that annoyed my soul. Cause when hope gets the phoenix they’re like oh wait and she essentially fixes the things cyclops was already doing before they poked the bear
I once saw him kill 3 men in a bar with a pencil ✏️……..with a freaking pencil ✏️
Scottie destroying everyone like that was the greatest moment of my life 🥲
Hearing _"The White Phoenix of the Crown"_ reminded me of the lyrics from *Leslie Hudson's* song _"Feel It All"_ about Jean Grey from her comic book themed album _The Redhead League._
I cant be the only one to read Xavier's speech bubbles in anything but Sir Patrick Stewart's voice.
Hulk was launched to my hometown and I find that so freaking hilarious
Like really, Sacramento of all places?
Anyone else getting Nightwing vibes from Cyclops’s phoenix costume?
for sure man his New 52 costume looks identical to Dark Phoenix Cyclops
"Xavier was responsible for whatever is the best in me. As for the rest, I take full responsibility"
Sighs. It's lines like these that make you remember (if you ever forgot) of one's love for comics.
Stop playing with my man. Cyclops the GOAT of X-men
Uhhhh yea with the Phoenix Force…that’s kind of the point. The Phoenix Force in any of these people would get goated
That was borrowed power
I know. I read the book. He's still the GOAT of Xmen.
@@BlackMarvel25 Yea but nothing on Magneto
@@od4407 yep.Granted, I always liked Magneto.I also felt that Charles Xavier was holding Cyclops back for awhile now.
:56" Namor who uses his power to destroy wakanda"
He gets the power of the phoenix and immediately becomes racist. "If I can't say the N word then no one shall." Is my favorite Namor quote.
I love how literally every comic book story is like, "Ok so THIS guy is the MOST POWERFUL guy EVER, but THIS GUY is even MORE POWERFUL, and this OTHER GUY is ACTUALLY the MOST most POWERFUL guy EVER but *ALSO* THIS GUY..."
Great analogy with the pencil. Anyone that hasn't read that long should completely get it
This is one of the most tone deaf stories ever written. Cyclops was in the right until the very end - and the writers insisted that the Avengers were the good guys in this story. THIS is the story that made me hate Wolverine as a character. He was a traitor to his family and his kind.
You're delusional
Except he wasn't.
@@jamman9569 he absolutely was
@suggsverse Nope. Cyclops was losing it and Wolverine was right to try to create a safe space for the kids. Not only that but it was completely crazy of him to trust the cosmic entity that has almost killed them all.
I bought this comic a few weeks ago based off the praise you gave it in one of your other videos. I'm glad I did too, because this comic is amazing!
Love your content but you left out some key things. Xavier’s sins were numerous at this point. Sending that team of kids, including Scott’s brother against Moiras wishes and then wiping there existence from everyone’s mind, allowing Danger to be a slave, trying to force himself into Scott’s mind against his will, only to be forced out by Emma in X-men legacy. Also Reed Richard’s himself even called out the Avengers hypocrisy. The X-men had made the world objectively better for all as the Phoenix 5, despite them even being that way because of Iron man. The Avengers kept poking the bear then yes, eventually one by one they succumbed to darkness. However, and this is key. While everyone is fighting Scott and Emma, she begs Scott to just destroy everything with her and start from scratch. Seeing she’s lost her mind and under attack from both the X-men and the Avengers at this point. He takes her out and absorbs her power. It isn’t till after all of this, and feeling forced to kill Xavier, does he finally become the Dark Phoenix. Cyclops was right.
It doesnt matter...The narrative was made to push Cyclops into the character of a villain...even when he was freaking RIGHT about everything. The avengers hipocrisy, their stupidity and arrogance to say they were doing the right thing aboht something rhey NEVER FACED BEFORE AND KNEW VERY LITTLE ABOUT or had very biased informantion sources (aka ultra jealous and hypocrite Wolverine...) made THEM the villains. But the avengers could no wrong! Their MOVIES were making big bucks and their, nearly unknow until said movies, characters were at all time high in popularity...while the xmen were in a severe decline...then you add that Disney and Marvel wanted to KILL the characters to screw Fox over....its pretty obvious the reasons for the sheer BS of the whole arc. Push forwards the avengers,.screw over the xmen....And when it FAILED? They tried again with the cheap mutants made by space gas from the moon....Just to fail again...
reed richards calling the avengers hypocrites is the pot calling the ketle black, he's done far worse things, if he believes it's what he must. but anyway, cyclops was kind of right, not wrong but not fully right either. it's what marvel does with these kind of stories so they can do a full 180 if they need to.
This is the type of upgrade Cyclops has always needed. He needs to transition to from Alpha to Omega status so he can emulate the same tier of power he's doing here
I always wondered why such a hugely powerful entity such as the Phoenix puts so much effort into these silly little insects on one planet in the entirety of the Universe.
Good question.
Curiosity and interest in human emotion
it loves the drama(intense human emotions)
It doesn't. It just seems that way because its multiversal. To _their perspective_ it seems like the Phoenix is focusing on them. To the Phoenix, it's just waving a finger.
My favorite X-Men and Scott Summers story is "From the Ashes," where Madelyne Pryor is first introduced. Claremont's writing is outstanding. Scott has never been more heroic and vulnerable. When everyone else has fallen under Mastermind's illusions, Scott comes to his senses and figures out the game Mastermind is planning. By himself, he figures out what to do. Formulate a plan, fight off the deceived X-Men, and get Rogue to Professor X. He even saves the day and has a happy ending with Madelyne. That WAS the SCOTT SUMMERS I miss. Why do all the comic book writers have to be deconstructionists these days. It's sad. After Scott left Maddie, he seemed to be more reactive than decisive, and Wolverine was rapidly taking over as the most popular X-Men.
Cyclops should have never been sorry for killing Charles Xavier, that bald asshole has done too many shady stuff to people for anyone to feel sorry about his death. And Cyclops was a child soldier made by Xavier, what do you expect.
I still think Wolverine was a traitor to the x-men in this series, he just wanted to kiss the boots of the great Captain America.
Logan tried to kill Hope lmao!
@@semaj06exactly if they make scott character dark and grey Logansport character is even moore extreme
@@semaj06 well, in his defence, logan was never the smartestt of all people...
This is one of my favorite comic events. Avengers vs. X-Men is AWESOME
it’s terrible lmao
Damn, I used to watch this channel years ago. Good to know that homie is still doing his thing.
Cyclops was right
Nah
Not in this here instance, no. But in general? Yes
Nope
It's more like Xavier's way wasn't realistic.
Why did they have to alter the House of M reality again? The world was at peace with mutants and vise versa.
😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
Cyclops when he fought thor: ma son, in your daddy........ literally
I used to hate cyclops and like wolverine but it's kinda been going the other way around over time for me
Same. As a kid, Wolverine was my fav but for some reason over time I start to like Cyclops more. I still think Gambit and Iceman are badass though.
Because once you realize how one note Wolverine is he gets boring VERY fast.
Scott has layers upon layers even down to his mutant gift and the trauma he has from it.
They're both cool but Wolverine got overused and Cyclops got underused because of their relative popularity.
@@Healthy_Toki I was pretty one dimensional and only like wolverine back in the day but in all fairness his writing did get worse over time
@@A-RedHerring Wolverine hands down has more layers than Scott Summers. What are you talking about?
I remember when this story came out. Thanks for bringing me back.
I remember reading this and thinking that if Cap and the Avengers had just let the mutants do what they wanted to do, which was let Hope have the power, then all of this would have been avoided
They even tried to kill her.
@ClockworkGearhead No they didn't.
I’d never thought I’d see the day where this channel post a positive video on cyclops.
Awesome, Cyclops is a very interesting member of the X-Men.
Back when Scott decided he liked the New 52 Nightwing suit a little bit more than he probably should have.
Cyclops: "I killed Xavier!!!"
Everyone Else: *Starts clapping*
They cannot understand Cyclops, so they fear him.
And they hate what they fear.
I never bought into the x-men being the villains, especially cyclops.
This story ruined messiah complex, messiah war and second coming.
Cyclops was right.
Rob I know you speak of retirement. But there’s nobody out there that makes comics come to life like you. You are a legend and I don’t know how you don’t have 100 million followers. Salute 🤝🔥🔥
Cyclops did nothing wrong
Jean is actually the only WPotC. If you remember earlier in AvX when Cyclops absorbs the full 5 Phoenix fragments (and becomes Dark Phoenix) he tries to ascend beyond our dimension (to the white Hot Room) and Jean literally shuts him down lol.
Jean is in the WHR watching all these events unfolds and she’s the one who told Scott to let it go.
Also Hope was mimicking both Wanda’s Chaos Magic, Cyclop’s Phoenix Force AND the Iron Fist in order to knock Cyclops out.
Also, Wanda and Hope both said “no more Phoenix” however it was purely Hope’s power which allowed her to expel the Phoenix and restore mutantkind. It’s confirmed in another issue that ties into the AvX storyline where the Cucoo sisters confirm it was Hope.
I really love this storyline, as I’m sure you can tell, and I’m actually planning to read it again soon.
3:12 Best metaphor ever. Explained the difference perfectly.
Cyclops looks like he stole Nightwing's red outfit, lol.
Cyclops was never the villain. Cyclops was right.
naw, Cyclops had turned his back on everyone, he bought into the same rhetoric Magneto had been espousing since his moustache-twirling days in the 60s.
@@pmaestro when was that? Was it after his closest allies (Avengers) invaded the island of Utopia or was it before another human led attack on the remaining 198 mutants?
@@RemmyCromwellwho's your favorite dictator Injustice Superman Or Cyclops
Cyclops saved his people he is the un song mutant hero
@@The-Endo-SymArmor the dude who killed the least amount of people
Im down to watch Cyclops clown the Xmen and Avengers while under the control of a malicious Gene Grey clone I just wish it didn't have to super juice him to the point of being a Thanos level threat to do it. Scott letting go and using all his skills and tactics while not holding back would be fun to see.
I Literally Just Read All The Issues In This Arc. Cyclops Is My Favorite Marvel Character!!
Rob please make an ultimate playlist for everything X-men. I need it and I’m sure I’m not the only one. We need from start to where we currently are.
The writers wanted to make Cyclops a villain, but they didnt even do it right. When everything settled down. Cyclops was proven right.
And no, he never became a villain. Everyone treated him like the old Magneto, but if you read the comics post AvX, Cyclops never did anything villain like.
"that's what happened in Secret Wars, it was pretty dope" - YUP
Cyclops looking like new 52 nightwing
Its interesting that of the dark phoenix form Cyclops got and how different it is compared to the white phoenix , also that panel of Cap defending Xavier by blocking Cyclops blast is beautiful
I dispised everybody against Scott in this story. It comes down to Scott having the most logical position and everyone else saying "Nuh Uh." Scott refused to kill anyone up until Xavier(He could killed plenty at Iron fist's temple). Scarlet Witch is the source of the problem but she only gets screamed at once. Hope summers can go burn. I'm not saying Scott couldn't be wrong, but no arguement made against him was strong enough to top his but the story desperately sided against him.
"Who need argument when you can punch someone at face?"-hulk.
Cyclops: *Damn! This guy is pretty good!*
Cyclops made the Professor ... "Toasty!"
You gotta cover Cyclops's villain run!
Bro please keep making videos about Cyclops, he is my favorite character from he X-Men, these videos are super entertaining to me.
wanna know whats so scary about Scott being the Phoenix, that over time he becomes extremely intelligent learning more and more about the Phoenix's powers
It's true. The X-Men helped the planet, and the Avengers made an enemy of them.
Someone call Lord English and have him scratch that whole doomed timeline
The sheer arrogance of Bendis, Fraction and Brubaker to antagonize Cyclops is mind bending. Only Hickman and Gillen did anything to sympathize with Cyclops.
Bad guy? Nah I wouldn't say that. This is the start of his fugitive arc but from here on our Cyclops doesn't really do much wrong other than tell the Avengers to duck off.
Cyclops was never the bad guy or a villain, if you read the comics after the schism he put a team to stop the most powerfull treats to the planet (extinction team) and do a great job preparing Hope for the arrival of new mutants. The Avengers broke the Phoenix Force because they thought it was a menace for the planet, but they never speak with the mutants about it, they just attack Utopia and never care for the mutant race
Sounds like Injustice Superman before he went crazy Remember?
The same people clapping for "Iron Skull" also derided him for Civil War. They straight up lost any cohesion in their morality.
More cyclops videos ❤
Revolutionary Cyclops is the best
Great summary of events, thank you!
0:07 if it’s so mind blowing…how come it wasn’t as gory as when he shoots wolverine?
Gambit was probably thinking he should’ve never gave up his max power power up lol
Cyclops was right about everything except killing Xavier, the Avengers shouldn't have interfered to begin with.
Great video. Perfect Comics Explained right here.
Some of those Phoenix Scott panels go HARD. I kind of want some of them for my new office
The fiery art is so good.
Slim always been the main man.
The new trio to lead the mcu
Pedro Pascal as Mr Fantastic (iron Man analogue)
Henry Cavill as Cyclops (Captain America analogue)
We need a strong Thor analogue with an actor big enough to excite people who can fill the shoes
This is the chad the MCU deserves right now.
One of my favorite versions of Cyclops
Wait so, Wolvy was incinerated and then regenerated to launch another attack? That’s some healing factor if I’ve ever seen one.
That's some Deadpool-level (anything goes) healing.
Yeah, and he regenerates his costume too I guess, what a genius writing
When Age of apocalypse came out, it showed the importance of Charles Xavier. The whole message of that run was that Xavier was not just a good man, he was the embodiment of something good that avoided the world to become a terrible place where only the strong would survive.
Years later, the writers started deconstructing, demolishing this idea. First Onslaught, then Cassandra Nova, then this whole mess about the first secret x men team who got wiped out from both the world and everyone's memories, the Illuminati thing, etc, they increasingly made Xavier an unreliable and duplicitous man. Now in the krakoa run he basically admitted that Magneto was right all along. They really did Xavier dirty.
They did all the characters dirty in this comic. Captain America would not have tried to even attack in the first place, and he would have told Wolverine to kick rocks.
@@ClockworkGearheadyeah.
Xavier have always been duplicitous, you seem to forget that he made teens and children that turned to him for help and guidance to his personal child soldiers.
@@haroldcruz8550 you are right in pointing out that training teenagers to be a paramilitary force with political ideas isn't something that someone sane in his mind would do. All adults with common sense would think that way. However, that's a comic to entertain teenagers, so you can push the laws of realism into the superhero genre only to a certain degree.
Actually,a man jumping from roofs in a bat suit being a vigilante with the help of a masked minor would be deemed crazy and outlaw in itself. Same for Bucky and Captain America... Bucky wasn't adult when he was fighting as a soldier.
But that's superhero comics logic.
The point in this case is another thing though, that is: assuming -based on comics logic- that Xavier was a good guy because of a dream that was needed to avoid the worsening of the world, the writers in the end made him spiral down morally through the years. And now the first Xavier isn't the Xavier we got today.
Its wild to me you still introduce Magik as "Colossus' sister"
What about how Marvel was trying to put a stink on the X-men because Fox wouldn’t give up the rights.
The bias of the guy that made the video is quite clear. There were quite obvious nuances to the whole arc and nothing was black/white but a lot of shades of grey. He happily forgets the hypocrisy of certain characters and their screw ups, but keep pushing his narrative that cyclops was going crazy by power and doingbad things when REED FUCKING RICHARDS SAID HIMSELF that the Phoenix 5 were doing GOOD THINGS FOR THE WHOLE OF HUMANITY AND NOT JUST MUTANKIND untill they were pushed into insanity and lost control of the Phoenix...something that was DONE ON THEM BY THE AVENGERS INTERFERENCE...its a pity, unbiased view on the whole history would show both parts had reasons for concern and were right, that working togheter would've been better, but under the people whon had experience in dealing with thr Phoenix...and those people WERENT the avengers...who didnt given a fuck about the mutants unless one of their mutants members screwed up...its a hipocrisy fest anyway you see it.
Cyclops has always been after Jean's Visage.. and that's my dad joke for today. You're welcome all, be well.