RTX 4090 Gaming Laptop 🤯 eGPU Comparison with Desktop!
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
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RTX 4090 Gaming Laptop Timestamps:
0:00 Laptop + eGPU or Desktop?
0:14 Thunderbolt eGPU Setup
0:26 4090 is Chonk - Mods Needed!
1:50 Specs of Laptops Tested
2:21 Specs of Desktop PC Tested
2:36 CPU Difference in Cinebench
3:20 The 3 Goals for This Video
3:43 BIG PCIe Differences
4:24 Next Gen Thunderbolt Doubles Bandwidth!
4:52 External Screen Used for eGPU
5:16 20 Games Tested at 4K, 1440p & 1080p
5:28 God of War
6:10 Halo Infinite (Important to watch)
6:45 Red Dead Redemption 2
7:17 Assassin’s Creed Valhalla
7:48 Metro Exodus
8:17 Call of Duty: Warzone
9:03 Fortnite
9:32 Watch Dogs Legion
10:06 Total War: WARHAMMER III
10:19 The Witcher 3
10:46 Apex Legends
11:05 Cyberpunk 2077
11:17 Rainbow Six Extraction
11:23 Forza Horizon 5
11:28 DOOM Eternal
11:40 F1 2021
11:57 Spiderman, Tombraider, Borderlands, Dying Light
12:07 eGPU + RTX 4090 Worth it for Laptop?
13:29 New Thunderbolt = Performance Boost?
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DOES IT HAVE A USB VERSION
Do I have to use this gpu or can I find a cheaper one
this is not a usb c but a thunderbolt cable
newer In Flames sucks bro
Would like to see in your analysis the oculink or pcie x4 egpu instead of thunderbolt as it has nore bandwidth. 😊
Welcome to the new episode of which I can't afford
I can afford that but the price/performance is so bad.
Come back on Black Friday, (better be quick when that day is there.)
@@hoven-lh8wq exactly , the 80 series is even worse 75% more over 3080 10gb , 95% price increase in Europe and for that your getting 50%-60% more performance for the 4080 16GB , Jensen is seriously taking the piss.
Even if you can afford it, it'll be not worth the bucks.
@@hoven-lh8wq yep, 3060 with is the most cost effective GPU btw
I believe the main reason for the performance discrepancy between the 2 laptops is due to the way thunderbolt 4 is being implemented. The i7-1260P has TB4 build into its main CPU die while the i9-12900HX does not have native TB4 so it requires another IC, the Intel Maple Ridge TB4 controller which may be causing problems
Here with the HX CPU, because of the discrete Thunderbolt controller, the data flow has to go through the motherboard chipset first and thus has to compete with other things like storage or wifi. In-CPU Thunderbolt implementation is definitely the way to go to have the best eGPU performance as it means the eGPU is pretty much directly connected to CPU PCI Express lanes.
TB4 has not changed bandwith with respect to TB3. It still has 4 lanes of PCIe 3.0, while the 4090 is a 16 lane PCIe 4.0 card, or 8 times more bandwith. That's way it runs like crap
Probably, I just assumed they were the same as the Intel ark page didn't really make it clear that there were thunderbolt differences, so this seems to be a downside for hx.
@@JarrodsTech quite a shame you went through all the trouble using a problematic, not ideal higher TDP laptop, such as a 12700H, 12800H or 12900H
@@AdriMul Well said!
Jarrod is just wonderful. All those testing. Massive results.
Thanks for the amazing vid.
EGPU's have never stopped gaining my interest, I just wish they got better with new tech.
I can confirm that resizable BAR is an issue for Thunderbolt eGPUs. Under Linux I've had to outright disable it in order to increase eGPU performance. Fortunately with Linux I can set kernel boot parameters to enable me to do so regardless of BIOS settings or anything. I have no idea if Windows has any similar options or functionality.
considering moving to linux RN, since my company just ditched office and using google sheet. like how many hour is needed to setup it? is steam os have no major problems to use egpu with USB 4?
Is it possible to run the eGPU with the old drivers without resizable BAR?
Jarrod, I bought a Razer Core X several yrs ago as a gamble to boost up my outclassed old i7 7700HQ Omen15 1060MaxQ, using an RTX2060. It benchmarked at approx 95% of the average desktop 2060, and was amazing tbh. Maybe pushing the limits, it was upgraded with a 3060Ti last yr, and STILL benchmarked 95% of desktop average for that card, and (with CPU undervolting, GPU overclocking, & 16GB RAM) I can still play competively with my ancient 7700HQ laptop, eg. 105fps on Battlefield 1 ultra. But, I do think this is the limit for TB3/4, and my next PC will have to be a desktop build, I can't see eGPU being a viable use for an expensive RTX4-series graphics card on any laptop. RIP eGPU beyond RTX3060Ti.
Yeah. I think it’s the fact that the higher end laptop has a dedicated gpu. I remember in the early years of thunderbolt 2/3. It was easier to install and run a egpu on igpu only laptop vs a laptop with a dgpu.
Jarrod is a tech scientist at this point. Running various experiments to advance the gaming life
Good review. I'd thought about having an external gpu with an HX cpu but not based on these results. Looks like an HX with an 3070 or 3080 is in my future. Depends on black Friday pricing.
Very solid review. thank you!
This is great but I wanted to see benchmark comparison before the Egpu and after Egpu on the same laptop as well.
It would be horrendous with the smaller laptop without a dedicated graphic card.
I heard that PCI-E M.2 connection is more direct and has less overhead than using Thunderbolt. It would be interesting to compare with this connection as well, who knows. Of course with 4-lanes PCI-E setup, as there are a plenty of 1-lane setups on the market.
Thank you man for uploading
Maybe the best implementation of e-GPU is in the house, eg: RoG Flow, which I recalled that using Thunderbolt only reduce the performance by much than using the full XG
Best explanation. Thank you
If there's a way to do it, it would have been interesting to see one of the worst performing games for the laptops in a set up where the desktop is using the eGPU, making it posible, for example, to check the impact of resizable BAR, or maybe to use it as a best case scenario.
Wow man thanks, this is truly helpful
Damn , this is the video i was looking foor, thanks mate
Very welcomed video, many thanks for sharing.
Basically, if you can afford a 4090, you can afford a PC.
Common sense bro
you can afford both a PC and a laptop
@@GewelReal honestly... the biggest issue with a 4090 is the cost because i can buy a pretty ballin gaming laptop for 1600
@@wnxdafriz yet the 4090 desktop will be twice as fast as a 3080ti laptop, if not more.
Affording a pc is not the issue, portability is. The reason people pay more for a laptop... If I chose to build a pc I can get so much more real bang for the buck. People don't buy gaming laptops to save money.
Thanks for another good eGPU video Jarrod! I would really like to a full guide eGPU set up video from you! I've been fighting with an egpu to work properly for months now, but it's hard to find any good trouble shooters or guides out there, especially videos.
I found out that there is an issue with windows 11 and tb4 drivers with intel 12th gen CPUs. Thunderbolt controller isn't present in device manager. I had to install win10 to just connect to my rtx 3090/mantiz egpu. But even now, Performance is better with the laptops inbuilt 3060 card in almost every single case than it is with the 3090. External display with the laptop screen and gpu turned off doesn't make any noticeable differences either which is weird as well. I imagine that I would know a lot more about TB issues and other egpu errors if you had included some of that installation process in your videos, becasue I've watched all of your egpu videos and will keep doing so! 🙂
Have you checked the processor's operating frequencies, has there been a frequency drop of about 2 Ghz?
I'd be most interested in testing the 3070ti with the i7-1260p compared to the 3070ti in the tower. I think this is likely true for 95% of others watching this video, as very few want to drop stupid money on a 4090. Some thing even more common such as a GTX 1080 or 1070 eGPU i7-1260p / tower comparison would be even better.
Agree. 4090 as eGPU is simply stupid.
Most people want eGPU not because of they want the ultimate performance, but because they don't want to buy both laptop and desktop.
I'm having 1240p with 3060 eGPU, it's pretty fine. But laptop with 3060 can outperform it I guess
@@bogdand.4987 is it possible to connect eGPU (RTX 3080) to my laptop MSI GP62 6qf with type-c 3.1.
USB c looks identical to thunderbolt ports. If it's just USB c 3.2 it won't work. It has to be a thunderbolt port.
Exactly. A comparison of "eGPU vs dGPU" with the "same" card is the comparison i want. I don't need gaming on the go as much but I would like to use the same laptop for everything and connect it to the eGPU for gaming and 3d modeling at home.
best and professional presentation, thank you very much.
Wondering how much of a gap there would be with something more like a 4070 Ti, 7900 XT (or even more so, an 7800 once available). Going all out on the top of the top with eGPU clearly doesn't make sense at the moment, but depending on how much performance loss there is for the more attainable, upper midrange products, this may still be quite interesting.
Context: considering to wait for the next generation of Frameworks (which, should hopefully include the Thunderbolt bandwidth upgrades you mentioned) and looking at a viable eGPU for an above-midrange solution. Coming from an Omen 15 4800H/1660Ti.
Great analysis, thanks!
Oh my fudge, I was literally planning on doin this in the future since I just bought a Razer Blade 17 3070 Ti 150w TDP, and I'm planning on making this my full setup. I'm happy as hell you can try it out first.
Time is the most valuable asset in world and you saved me 1 h time researching for limitations of Thunderbolt 3-4. Thank you.
Excellent to see data from many games to see that several don’t work well-thank you for the video. But I reached an entirely different conclusion, that yes an eGPU is worth it in many cases so long as your machine doesn’t have a cpu bottleneck or less than thunderbolt for an interface.
Given that above 60 fps most humans can’t perceive higher fps, and uncommon that someone can tell differences above 120 fps, if you can get averages at about 100 and 1% of 60+, you’re in great shape. Especially if you only have a 60hz monitor.
There is value to the higher performance desktop rigs for driving better quality displays and for lifetime of the rig, but I would definitely pick up an egpu to game effectively when I can park the laptop, if that’s what I’ve got.
so glad I watched this video! Thank you.
I was just about to pull the trigger on an ultrabook with thunderbolt and get an eGPU for desktop use.
Now I can see it's not worth it yet. A gaming desktop and a cheap laptop or tablet would be a better use of money.
Very informative video. I'm using an eGPU for work coz I don't own a desktop. So it would be interesting to see how the rendering speed using Twinmotion or Lumion. To explain, I'm an architect by profession. My laptop goes around with me from office, client presentation, job sites and home. And I have eGPU for office and home.
Similar here.
At this moment in time for compact portable gaming, the way to go is ITX sandwich case instead of a laptop. Is not like laptops are used to play while you're on the move in the plane or train or whatever, but to unpack and plug into the mains power supply and use at the various destination locations. The laptops used on your lap far away from a power plug are those ultrabook things that you use to drop in loads of photos and do a quick photoshop edit and upload on some blog. Not for gaming.
In the future I hope case manufacturers will expand the compact form factor ITX cases that have a very small depth meaning the GPU and the mobo to be installed on the same plane side by side and developing a CPU cooling system that isn't a high tower but a small height and large surface area on the horizontal plane. This will result in having a similar footprint of the 17" laptops and a a slight height increase, thus useful to carry around. With a portable 17 " monitor you end up with a full gaming rig with a volume not much larger than a gaming 17" laptop
i don't find anyone else doing this. Thank you for the test
No problem, thanks for watching!
your setup of GPU, extend riser , and power supply unit is beautiful(idk what to say but maybe also I mean it save some desk/table space)
One of the most valuable eGPU vids I've seen, GREAT WORK!
thanks!
Be interesting to test again with egpu external monitor instead of video data back to laptop. Considering the egpu would normally be used as a desktop usage and most people use external monitor at home/work with the laptop anyway.
Isn't that what he said he did?
Just as fyi, Halo Infinite needed to have ReBar turned off in Nvidia Profile Inspector for driver 522.25 for it to work right on my eGPU 3070. I assume that's the case here alongside Watch Dog: Legion. With my 3070 I get 70-90 FPS at 4K and 130-160 FPS at 720P, so more graphics horsepower like the 4090 has would have definitely made the eGPU shine as it's not that bandwidth limited.
Nice info, I will remember this when I get an eGPU setup in the future
@@naufalkusumah2192 yeah if you need instructions I posted them in the eGPU sub, just search it up as my comment kept getting deleted when I posted the link
@@omegamalkior1874 In Reddit?
@@omegamalkior1874 I’m curious about that, if there’s a link or a place to find that info let us know
@@killertruth186 yes
Great video. Thanks for always doing these egpu tests. Would love to see it paired with a 6800u laptop to see how new handhelds might perform
Amazing review tks
Thank you for make this video
Wonderful Video, Jarrod. Can you also test the eGPU + Laptop performance on the Blender, Redshift rendering? I currently have the Legion 12700+3060, wandering to buy a eGPU to boost my laptop or to sell my laptop and buy a whole new 4090 setup. Thanks Bro.
I love your videos, you always talk about interesting subjects !!
Glad you like them!
Hi Jarrod, please can you test the eGPU with content workloads. 🙏🙏 looking at an eGPU for rendering.
Great analysis thanks mate.
Cheers!
For better performance you could hook up directly to the pcie 4 ssds slot..
It carries none of the bottlenecks if thunderbolt and should get twice the bandwidth, assuming you can get it to work?
Love this Frankenstein experiment haha. Results are all over the place
Thank you for the tests done. I thought to buy eGPU for 3D renders, but i will stick with my dedicated 3080 )) thank you for saving my money 🤝
Very interesting video! Could you do a comparison between thunderbolt and m.2 to pcie x16 adapters? They also have only 4 lanes of course, but they don't have the other thunderbolt limitations.
I'm really interested to see how this plays out next year with Zen 4 and 13th gen laptops, ESPECIALLY Zen 4 Dragon Range which focuses on CPU performance and is made to pair with another GPU. I'm thinking a possible 50% jump in performance in a setup like this.
Dragon Range will not be available for at least 5-6 months though, so u're gonna have to wait quite a long time. At least the 13th gen CPU for laptop is supposed to launch in Jan 2023
@@ucle9955 In fairness, most of the heavy lifting -- if not all of it -- is already done for Dragon Range.
Pretty amazing setup for the right use case. Curious how I game stutters played out in some games. That was always the deal breaker for me. Not the cost to performance but lack of consistency in games.
To be fair, the best use case for an egpu with a high end GPU is 4K gaming at 60 fps. More resolution doesn't require more bandwidth, but more FPS do, so higher FPS isn't the best plan as it's basically choking the thunderbolt connection.
Would be interesting to see this done using a laptop pcie gen4 slot via one of the egpu gadgets like adt-link. I seem to remember it's quite a bit faster, wonder how it would do on 4090.
thanks for you work
I took the liberty of posting this to r/egpu. There's some discussion there already about 1 or 2 things in the analysis. First is about Halo Infinite having different behavior with bugged driver versions(522.25, this appears to have been discussed in Jarrod's Dischord). Second is about the HX variant of the 12900 mobile CPU apparently having both the PCH and Thunderbolt controller separate to the CPU, unlike 1260P and (apparently) 12x00H (no X, such as the 12900H). The later could explain the boatload of results where the 1260P had over 12900HX and is a situation that dates back to Ice Lake where the integrated PCH and controller had a noticeable improvement for eGPU use.
Great Video. Now I'd be curious to see how an all AMD Advantage Laptop with the highest end specs like the - ROG Strix G15 Advantage Edition with Ryzen 9 5980HX / 6800M would perform with this eGPU setup. This is a great setup for anyone who's a creative or engineer/coder on the go. You could switch back and forth depending on your workload and just have you laptop in a cradle and eGPU next to it ready to go with just a Monitor and keyboard/mouse.
this is exactly what i'd love to see. i've searched for it many times to see if it is compatible with my 2022 g15!
Question is there a way to mode an egpu to combine 2 tb ports for double the bandwidth.?
Thank you for testing with the monitor directly connected to eGPU card. Great update from 2020 video.
I have a Radeon RTX 3070 and decent gaming desktop components on the way, and own an RTX 1080 in an eGPU setup already. I plan on running my own quick & dirty relative tests for all 4 setup combos, and will be happy to post results here if I can remember to do so. My eGPU is limited to Thunderbolt 3 though.
next gen thunderbolt is fine and dandy, but given that the GPU enclosures have their own TB controller onboard - they will also have to be upgraded to suit.
Market for them seems to be pretty much dead now
Can you try this setup again with DLSS3 and Frame Gen enabled? Maybe even include comparisons with other 4000 series cards? I saw on some boards that frame gen compensates significantly for the drop with TB3/4 bandwidth.
Hello. Thank you for nice review. Now I know, better to go with PC set up for 4090 and below or wait for Thunderbold ugrade.
Damnn this should be the standard of reviews!
Do you have M.2/PCIe eGPU connector? Will it perform better, if using it? Or is Thunderbolt superior on laptops?
I noticed that with my dell xps 15 that disabling the internal DGPU made performance better
I don't have a laptop or a pc but i wanna see if rog will be making a portable 4090 like they did with the 30 series that u can plug on their laptop
would had been nice to see you using a m.2 slot for the egpu as well because the speed would be way faster. no one I have seen has done it this way while also using a 40 series gpu. would be nice to see the results compared to the 7950x etc.
And connect eGPU to the external display to reduce overhead.
Great comparison!
Thanks!
Nice Jarrod!
This was helpful to me. I was considering going down to just my Legion 5i pro + dock + 3080 eGPU but it seems like I won't get enough performance replace my desktop / make a difference to my laptop 3070ti.
Thanks for the video , can you please tell me what are the motherboards requirement for external GPUs?
would have liked to see the bandwith test and at least 2 games from the laptop screen for a reference
We desperately need Thunderbolt 4 docks to properly use these more beefier cards. Even with the 10 series TB3 was failing to saturate a good chunk of the bus the card could provide. eGPUs are still an amazing concept and I hope someone steps up to give the standard even more improvements
Thanks for sharing. I think for now I'll have to buy a PC for gaming when I'm home and a seperate laptop when I'm at work
Hello Jarrod, if it isn't too much trouble
Could you do the same tests, but with this year's Zenbook to see how the bandwidth improvements improved the gameplay
Would be good idea to see lower tier RTX 4000 series (4050,60 or 70). Should be less significant differences (logically thinking)
Please compare content creator workloads: octane render (octane benchmark), redshift render, blender… Egpu 4090 with laptop vs desktop and 4090
It seems it's better to have gaming desktop and when we like to play at laptop just to stream games from gaming desktop PC to laptop (ie. using Moonlight). Thanks for interesting video!
Shocker, eGPU's are still a terrible buy if you put anything above a low to mid range card in it. Not changing anytime soon either, seeing as TB4 has the same bandwidth as TB3.
If you put a low end card in it, it is also not that worth because the egpu enclosure costs as much as a low end card (I believe?). Honestly, I believe the best application of an egpu is for other workloads that depend less on the pcie bandwidth, such as compute, rendering or video editing. Sadly, it seems that gamers predominantly use it instead.
Except with the Xg Mobile from Asus 🙃
eGPUs are a lifestyle where you throw out performance per dollar and will never be considered for budget builds
@@sparkz6381 Also throw out raw performance as well
Unless you use pcie 4 or 5 SSDs slots..
Or disable resizable bar.
I am surprised no one has yet to make and egpu that can combine 2 tb ports for double the memory as many laptops have two tb ports now?
Best! Thanks!
How do wifi and other usb devices affect the performance or bandwith of the USB connection? It think it would also be intersing to compare these results to a lower tier graphics cards to see if it would match the perfomance due to lmitations.
Maybe find which gpu is best utilized by tb3, and tb4 whenever that's more readily available.
Jarrods, please, do make tests using the internal m.2 ports with an egpu adapter when doing videos related to egpus: that is the only way that makes sense, at least until we get laptops with proper pcie ports for egpus!!!!
Damn you scratch my itch exactly where I want Jarrod. Cheers mate
will be interesting to see comparison with an amd ryzen 6000 series laptop with usb4
can you please run an octane benchmark and post results of your score? would be good to know how fast this works for professional rendering apps, where the CPU doesn't factor in as much as games
I was about to make a comment on this. Thanks jarod u read my mind.
What about rendering times , vray fstorm or octane benchmark ?
Many of us want to add some rendering power to our laptops or desktops would be very nice of you could make a test, since the bandwidth isn’t effecting on rendering speed as much as I know …
It would be nice if you could test or compare the 4090 with a lower tier gpu on the external set up
It would be extremely worthy on the PE ratio if using a GTX1080, I believe.
this is something i was actually considering, but i guess it's not yet the time for it
ever since i got a 4k external monitor to use with laptop i started considering buying an eGPU, but this video is self explanatory.
the only thing I can think of is that obviously the interfaces can't keep up with the new top of the range, this and the fact that gaming laptops are evidently not designed to work with thunderbolt like a laptop without a dedicated graphics card.
the only solution I can think of is a new interface, similar to the one used by the asus rog, which is completely dedicated to the gpu and set by default in gaming-oriented laptops, but that would only raise their prices.
Have you tested with the alienware graphics amplifier which doesn't use thunderbolt
I got the impression an EGPU works best with laptops without dedicated graphics.
I have a vivobook pro with i5-11300h and iris xe and thunderbolt 4.
I want a egpu set up for connecting one or (if possible) two 4k monitors and maybe from time to time play a game in moderate settings.
Value/performance wise what would graphics card and egpu box would make sense?
All doubts cleared❤❤
Really interesting reporting here, thank you. It would be fascinating to see these results compared to with ROG XG Mobile with an older GPU (3080) and also the next generation of PCI-E EGPU when available.
Maybe there are multiple m.2 ssds in the 12900HX laptop that uses up more pci-e lanes, thus leaving the eGPU with like only 2x?
imagine this is how the future gpu will look like.
Hope they are not huge like this and use less wattage.
Hey Jarrod!
Can you try comparing egpu performance between midrange RTX cards and Arc cards?
Arc is pretty trash and no one is really going to be able to get one.
Actually ARC dGPU laptops are in abundance but no one is really going to buy one
Hi I saw that the speakers on Razer's Blade 17 2022 is audiophile approved? How true is that?
What about using a eGPU for laptops for rendering and other 3d applications?
Have you tried the M.2 ports on the laptop motherboard..there is an egpu dock with M.2 cable