I’m not even 20 minutes in and I’m on the brink of tears. This isn’t my first introduction to IFS but as a Christian, this is the first time I feel like my faith and IFS are being perfectly explained and presented. Thank you!
My friend introduced me to your book June 12,2023, and I am in Ch 7 by June 16!! I can’t get enough of it. I cried my eyes out on ch 4. I bought the Audible and the best part is that Jenna, yourself, is reading it!! It makes so much sense. I come from a church background and was involved in leadership for YEARS…. And i have learned so much in the past 5 days about trauma/pain/myself/others than I’ve learned in 40 years!!🎉❤. This is so healing and revealing and grace filled for myself and others. Thank you SO much for bringing IFS to the spiritual side, because i wouldn’t have listened to this theory any other way. Thank you. Can’t wait to read “Altogether US”
Its amazing how once you swap out the words the “believers” finally “understand” . This breaks my heart. I studied this for over 10 years in a Christian family and was exiled for it and verbally abused. Now 10 years later my own family is sharing this… its hard to be happy. I gave up on it and now all of a sudden everyone is smart. Im afflicted. I find it hard just to communicate with them. Did anyone else experience this?? At first they called it “witchcraft” Now all of sudden it makes sense.
This was really an impactful episode with Jenna. Thanks for letting her have the floor to explain IFS. It brought me to tears. I am a big fan of Attachment Theory and have learned so much about myself through it but IFS is a totally different take on psychology and faith and I absolutely love how they merge together. I look forwards to listening to the book (it's on Audible) and continuing my healing journey. I especially like the explanation of the firemen and how I can look on them with fondness, because they are trying to help me, instead of with shame. I can see how this will be helpful in integrating them as opposed to trying to perform an exorcism. Take care and God bless!
Thank you for this. Explains so much. This is of course explosive within the evangelical belief we are rotten vs we were, are, at the core worthy of love. God don’t make rotten. Ontology- what is the truth of Gods being? The truth of our being? It disrupts the fundamental theology of Western Christian theology. I wondered why so many Christians I met seemed so unhappy. The words vs fruit weren’t consistent.
You the best to describe IFS from so many angles. There is one point that wasnt broach that is a reality - Narcissism and personality disorders..and the harm these folks inflict.
I decided to start my morning with this podcast and wish I had started this year with it. What a Game Changer, this episode was unreal! Thank you Jenna, your ability to speak and convey these ideas were flawless. I was so inspired by hearing your story about your book's journey, I'm in a similar situation and was uncertain of my ability to write a graphic novel while feeling unqualified to do it perfectly (🌞), but your visuals and divine success have reminded me that God is the best writer in the universe and He is willing and able to help me. I look forward to getting your book, I need it like yesterday, looking forward to hearing more from you and checking out those podcasts. Thank you for trusting God and sharing this.
I love IFS, and it's so helpful. Also, this lady is great. I really don't get how it's revolutionary that my eating part is trying to help though. Why would I eat it if it didn't make me feel better? I hate that part of me, and, yes, I get that's not helpful. Knowing it's trying to make me feel better is not new however, so that doesn't help.
39:10. The only part I would challenge. Did she mean to say, “God is in everyone that we encounter.”? Or was that accidental? Maybe it’s only semantics.
I deeply believe that there is truly nothing IFS cannot transform. I just recently became familiar with the method and I am now studying it so that I can combine it with art therapy and use it in substance abuse recovery. But what has been a challenge for me, in my personal journey (I've been sober for 3 years and so far I've successfully "fired" my firefighter who used to put out the fires of my traumas with alcohol, thank god) is that one of my deepest traumas that I've been able to process into a mental and emotional level, there is a physical reflection in the present time and I don't know how to transform this... except of course with aesthetic surgery, but I don't know if that's the only way? Or does not accepting this physical imprint mean that I lack acceptance and humility on other levels of the trauma as well?🙄
Although I enjoyed the podcast I was confused about the God image she mentioned. Scripture tells us we are born with the sinful nature because of sin in the world. Even though we are made in the image of God. Body , soul, and spirit. Our spirit is separated from God and when we ask God to forgive us of our sins and cleanse our hearts and ask Him to come into our lives then we are no longer separated from Him. We are alive in Christ. She doesn’t really address this. She just says our parts in a bad role is what’s separating us from our God image. And I’m not totally in agreement of this. If it’s our sinful nature as the Bible says, that separates from God, then once we confess and are saved then our different parts, or aspects of ourselves would be cleansed and forgiven and we would not have any parts of us that are in any kind of bad roles. If we did, it would be called sin, would it not?
I hear what you're trying to understand. Salvation is actually a process, as found in Philippians 2:12, '...continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.' The word 'salvation' there actually means deliverance. So though salvation, in acceptance of Jesus as Lord, brings instant connection and access to Him, and it empowers us to have the mind of Christ and God now sees us as He sees Jesus, the process of salvation is just as she explains. It is the redemption of our minds, bodies and spirits. Another word for this in the NT is 'sozo'. It means 'to save' as in deliver, heal, make whole. It is used in scripture for occurrences of salvation (spirit), deliverance (soul) and physical healing (body). I hope this brings some clarity.
I think you're talking about original sin, which is actually not a biblical concept. It's a Roman Catholic doctorine, one of the many things left in Protestant Christianity from its mother Church the Roman catholics.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, And also read Romans 5:12-21 We all sin since birth but aren’t aware of it until we recognize it and repent through His word. . And subsequently get baptized.
Rather the Bible says all things God made are GOOD. The utter depravity idea is non-Scriptural. yes we inherit original sin but that is wiped away by Baptism (John 3:5)
yes he was the one that developed it... He has been training many people and Jenna is teaching it from her perspective.... I find this therapy a game changer for helping others as well as changing me and my spiritual development
Please be wary of IFS, Internal Family Systems. I saw Buddhist ideas in IFS as I read about it (I was into Tibetan then Zen Buddhism for many years before Christ), and sure enough, I was right! The founder of IFS Richard Schwartz, has joined Buddhist teachers to present IFS as harmonious with Buddhist concepts of self. We do not have at our core "an authentic spiritual connection with God." Our core self is fallen and renewed only through faith in Christ. It is then the power of the Holy Spirit who transforms Christians' "core self." Riemersma also claims that we have "no bad parts." What? Sure we do! It's called sin. She asserts that the parts of our self damaged in the Fall became "burdened" and we became separated from "the God image inside of me." What happened at the Fall is that man's nature became sinful and man became separated from God -- not from the God image inside him. This is a serious theological error. Her misunderstanding of who we are Scripturally and other misunderstandings of Scripture that she cites are one red flag and maybe why she has bought into IFS or else it is how she is rationalizing IFS. She misapplies the account of the woman caught in adultery and puts words in Jesus' mouth. She is putting forth a lot of theories from Schwartz, not facts or anything proven. Riemersma also presents a lot of straw man arguments. Some of the negative situations she presents are true, but that does not mean IFS is the way to deal with them.
Exastrologer, I appreciate your input. I too had similar questions, like when she talked about the God in us and put words in Jesus' mouth about the woman at the well. However, I wonder if the founder of IFS saying this is compatible w/ Buddhists understanding of self, didn't necessarily discredit IFS, but rather acknowledges there is SOME truth in Buddhism. All lies contain some truth or they wouldn't be believable. It is true we are made in the image of God and that is what we really are, even if it's distorted beyond recognition. I appreciate your concern and I wasn't sure if I was going to voice it until I saw your post. To me it seems there's much to be gained from IFS. No one is perfect and no one's theology is perfectly complete except God alone. I appreciate your word of caution and I also would advise using discernment reach step of the way, but overall, i think she's really on to something that can help a lot of people and break through a lot of barriers.
I’m not even 20 minutes in and I’m on the brink of tears. This isn’t my first introduction to IFS but as a Christian, this is the first time I feel like my faith and IFS are being perfectly explained and presented. Thank you!
My friend introduced me to your book June 12,2023, and I am in Ch 7 by June 16!! I can’t get enough of it. I cried my eyes out on ch 4. I bought the Audible and the best part is that Jenna, yourself, is reading it!! It makes so much sense. I come from a church background and was involved in leadership for YEARS…. And i have learned so much in the past 5 days about trauma/pain/myself/others than I’ve learned in 40 years!!🎉❤. This is so healing and revealing and grace filled for myself and others. Thank you SO much for bringing IFS to the spiritual side, because i wouldn’t have listened to this theory any other way. Thank you. Can’t wait to read “Altogether US”
WOW!!! This is great stuff! I pray that MANY will hear this and find help and hope through this podcast!
We feel the same! Such a great episode!
Its amazing how once you swap out the words the “believers” finally “understand” . This breaks my heart.
I studied this for over 10 years in a Christian family and was exiled for it and verbally abused.
Now 10 years later my own family is sharing this… its hard to be happy.
I gave up on it and now all of a sudden everyone is smart.
Im afflicted. I find it hard just to communicate with them. Did anyone else experience this??
At first they called it “witchcraft”
Now all of sudden it makes sense.
This made me cry! I have experienced this in my life and would like to help others gain this freedom too!
This was really an impactful episode with Jenna. Thanks for letting her have the floor to explain IFS. It brought me to tears.
I am a big fan of Attachment Theory and have learned so much about myself through it but IFS is a totally different take on psychology and faith and I absolutely love how they merge together.
I look forwards to listening to the book (it's on Audible) and continuing my healing journey.
I especially like the explanation of the firemen and how I can look on them with fondness, because they are trying to help me, instead of with shame. I can see how this will be helpful in integrating them as opposed to trying to perform an exorcism.
Take care and God bless!
Amazing information. It all began to make sense as I listened. Thank you. What a blessing.
This was so helpful to understand all of the parts of IFS. Thank you!
Thank you for this. Explains so much. This is of course explosive within the evangelical belief we are rotten vs we were, are, at the core worthy of love. God don’t make rotten. Ontology- what is the truth of Gods being? The truth of our being? It disrupts the fundamental theology of Western Christian theology. I wondered why so many Christians I met seemed so unhappy.
The words vs fruit weren’t consistent.
the pure self sounds as if its the soul or pure awareness ,un touched
Such great material! Thanks so much...
Our pleasure!
I had the opportunity to work with Jenna at an intensive. She is really fantastic and a kind and generous woman.
Wow! God bless you, i hope that you’re still walking out the healing?! I hope it’s a lasting effect
This is great information, I have ordered your book and can't wait to start reading it. Thank you
Hope you enjoy it!
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You the best to describe IFS from so many angles. There is one point that wasnt broach that is a reality - Narcissism and personality disorders..and the harm these folks inflict.
I decided to start my morning with this podcast and wish I had started this year with it. What a Game Changer, this episode was unreal!
Thank you Jenna, your ability to speak and convey these ideas were flawless. I was so inspired by hearing your story about your book's journey, I'm in a similar situation and was uncertain of my ability to write a graphic novel while feeling unqualified to do it perfectly (🌞), but your visuals and divine success have reminded me that God is the best writer in the universe and He is willing and able to help me.
I look forward to getting your book, I need it like yesterday, looking forward to hearing more from you and checking out those podcasts.
Thank you for trusting God and sharing this.
Awesome! Glad the episode was impactful!
Excellent thanks very much 😅
shame is the worse of all feelings i know there is also in me an outer critic which i hate too normaly arises from shame
Thank you so much. I finally feel like maybe my Therapist isn’t trying to introduce me to pagan thoughts that will overturn my faith
I love IFS, and it's so helpful. Also, this lady is great. I really don't get how it's revolutionary that my eating part is trying to help though. Why would I eat it if it didn't make me feel better? I hate that part of me, and, yes, I get that's not helpful. Knowing it's trying to make me feel better is not new however, so that doesn't help.
When she talks about Adam and Eve in the Garden I hear strong echoes of John Paul II's Theology of the Body, especially his ideas on Original Justice
and her views on avoiding pain bring to mind his document "Salvifici Doloris"
Do all people have the God image, and if so, do we need to be born again or "Christian" to access this?
the fire fighters and managers sounds the same as ego defences ,trying to get this model clear in my mind ,with the other models i know
39:10. The only part I would challenge. Did she mean to say, “God is in everyone that we encounter.”? Or was that accidental? Maybe it’s only semantics.
I deeply believe that there is truly nothing IFS cannot transform. I just recently became familiar with the method and I am now studying it so that I can combine it with art therapy and use it in substance abuse recovery. But what has been a challenge for me, in my personal journey (I've been sober for 3 years and so far I've successfully "fired" my firefighter who used to put out the fires of my traumas with alcohol, thank god) is that one of my deepest traumas that I've been able to process into a mental and emotional level, there is a physical reflection in the present time and I don't know how to transform this... except of course with aesthetic surgery, but I don't know if that's the only way? Or does not accepting this physical imprint mean that I lack acceptance and humility on other levels of the trauma as well?🙄
Although I enjoyed the podcast I was confused about the God image she mentioned. Scripture tells us we are born with the sinful nature because of sin in the world. Even though we are made in the image of God. Body , soul, and spirit. Our spirit is separated from God and when we ask God to forgive us of our sins and cleanse our hearts and ask Him to come into our lives then we are no longer separated from Him. We are alive in Christ. She doesn’t really address this. She just says our parts in a bad role is what’s separating us from our God image. And I’m not totally in agreement of this. If it’s our sinful nature as the Bible says, that separates from God, then once we confess and are saved then our different parts, or aspects of ourselves would be cleansed and forgiven and we would not have any parts of us that are in any kind of bad roles. If we did, it would be called sin, would it not?
I hear what you're trying to understand. Salvation is actually a process, as found in Philippians 2:12, '...continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.' The word 'salvation' there actually means deliverance. So though salvation, in acceptance of Jesus as Lord, brings instant connection and access to Him, and it empowers us to have the mind of Christ and God now sees us as He sees Jesus, the process of salvation is just as she explains. It is the redemption of our minds, bodies and spirits. Another word for this in the NT is 'sozo'. It means 'to save' as in deliver, heal, make whole. It is used in scripture for occurrences of salvation (spirit), deliverance (soul) and physical healing (body). I hope this brings some clarity.
I think you're talking about original sin, which is actually not a biblical concept. It's a Roman Catholic doctorine, one of the many things left in Protestant Christianity from its mother Church the Roman catholics.
Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
And also read Romans 5:12-21
We all sin since birth but aren’t aware of it until we recognize it and repent through His word. . And subsequently get baptized.
Rather the Bible says all things God made are GOOD. The utter depravity idea is non-Scriptural. yes we inherit original sin but that is wiped away by Baptism (John 3:5)
you omit the importance of Baptism in Justification -John 3:5, Titus 3:5, 1 Peter 3:21, John 13:8
Yes, but...we DO have an inner Gollum that wants to destroy, hurt others, wreck our lives. Gollum MUST stay in the crate!!
so am i correct parts are wounded children . that have been repressed
I thought Richard C. Schwartz is the founder of ifs
yes he was the one that developed it... He has been training many people and Jenna is teaching it from her perspective.... I find this therapy a game changer for helping others as well as changing me and my spiritual development
Please be wary of IFS, Internal Family Systems. I saw Buddhist ideas in IFS as I read about it (I was into Tibetan then Zen Buddhism for many years before Christ), and sure enough, I was right! The founder of IFS Richard Schwartz, has joined Buddhist teachers to present IFS as harmonious with Buddhist concepts of self.
We do not have at our core "an authentic spiritual connection with God." Our core self is fallen and renewed only through faith in Christ. It is then the power of the Holy Spirit who transforms Christians' "core self." Riemersma also claims that we have "no bad parts." What? Sure we do! It's called sin. She asserts that the parts of our self damaged in the Fall became "burdened" and we became separated from "the God image inside of me." What happened at the Fall is that man's nature became sinful and man became separated from God -- not from the God image inside him. This is a serious theological error.
Her misunderstanding of who we are Scripturally and other misunderstandings of Scripture that she cites are one red flag and maybe why she has bought into IFS or else it is how she is rationalizing IFS. She misapplies the account of the woman caught in adultery and puts words in Jesus' mouth. She is putting forth a lot of theories from Schwartz, not facts or anything proven. Riemersma also presents a lot of straw man arguments. Some of the negative situations she presents are true, but that does not mean IFS is the way to deal with them.
Amen sister!!!
Interesting.
Exastrologer, I appreciate your input. I too had similar questions, like when she talked about the God in us and put words in Jesus' mouth about the woman at the well. However, I wonder if the founder of IFS saying this is compatible w/ Buddhists understanding of self, didn't necessarily discredit IFS, but rather acknowledges there is SOME truth in Buddhism. All lies contain some truth or they wouldn't be believable. It is true we are made in the image of God and that is what we really are, even if it's distorted beyond recognition.
I appreciate your concern and I wasn't sure if I was going to voice it until I saw your post. To me it seems there's much to be gained from IFS. No one is perfect and no one's theology is perfectly complete except God alone.
I appreciate your word of caution and I also would advise using discernment reach step of the way, but overall, i think she's really on to something that can help a lot of people and break through a lot of barriers.
if people can let go of there pain how can that be bad
Where is Jesus? The only door to the Creator.
cherry pickers.
how so?