I've been debating whether to buy a Kronos or Nautilus and I've exhaustively gone over the specifications of Kronos and Nautilus. Here is how it looks from my perspective. I don't know the intangibles that help comparison such as any differences in long term maintenance costs, expected longevity of support from Korg if Kronos discontinued, performance & overall ease of use, software and hardware component quality, whether Kronos Karma or Nautilus Arpeggiator is best choice,, etc. Bottom line - - - Is Kronos worth approximately $700 more (or $1,200 if sale ends)? What is the SAME or Extremely Similar: - 9 Sound Engines, Oscillator Control & Maximum Polyphony (though the SGX2 piano type and sounds slightly different between the two) - PCM Ram capacity - Combination Timbres - Quick Layer / Split feature - Set Lists - Sampling - Effects - Sequencer Capability - Keyboard action and size options What's DIFFERENT: - Only Kronos has Aftertouch - Kronos has more physical slider controls, knobs, buttons, etc, on panel - Kronos has KARMA with 96 preloaded Generated Effects whereas Nautilus has an Arpeggiator with 1,593 Preloaded Patterns **[Note/edit: The Nautilus Arpeggiator allows highly customizable arpeggio patterns - whereas - that more difficult or perhaps not possible via Karma on the Kronos.] - Kronos with Karma has 8 Scenes versus 4 Scenes on the Nautilus Arpeggiator - Kronos has 718 preset Drum Patterns versus 1,272 on Nautilus - Kronos has 1,792 preloaded Programs of which 896 are HD-1 & 512 preloaded Combinations ... versus Nautilus which has 1,920 preloaded Programs 1,280 of which are HD-1 & 256 preloaded Combinations (both have 2,560 slots for Programs and 1,792 slots for Combinations) - Kronos has 314 MB of Preset PCM versus 498 MB on Nautilus (though Kronos has greater quantity of multisamples and drum samples) - Kronos has 198 preloaded Wave Sequences vs 377 preloaded on Nautilus (both have a 598 capacity) - The available Built In Expansion Libraries differ - Kronos has 8" display at higher resolution than the 7" display on Nautilus - Nautilus 3 lbs lighter
You missed one CRUCIAL aspect that justifies why the NAUTILUS is so special: USER Arps. Those astounding 1593 arps are FULLY PROGRAMMABLE. In KARMA, there's ZERO user pattern capability and instead of just being about to hit record and create a pattern, like you can on the NAUTILUS, you have to move a bunch of controls, to get close to what you want and even THEN it's not exactly what you want because it's all PRE-generated.
@@michaelaurelius8507 yes that appears to be a limitation ... though could spend $169 for the full external KARMA software ... but that's another step and expense. From what I can gather browsing videos on the subject you CAN get pretty close to completely created user patterns via Kronos alone. Perhaps via sequencer you could achieve this and/or by assigning different programs to drum patterns? Certainly a consideration. I personally was wowed by Karma so ultimately ended up buying a Kronos instead of Nautilus ... but it was not a slam dunk easy decision. Thanks for the information.
@@michaelaurelius8507 ... you appear to be correct Michael. In another forum I see where a Korg R&D manager admitted lack of customizable Arpeggiator feature in Kronos. Though you can probably find a Karma GE Arpeggiator pattern or the up down pattern that fits your needs, a specific user created option isn't there. My thinking was you create arpeggio type patterns and loop them in Sequencer but that not the same really. Not really with triggers on n off at ease and simply customizable like in Nautilus. I'm still learning the features ... just thinking out loud. Haven't received my Kronos yet so have been reading Operation Guide, etc. " .... The original poster asked about a "good old-fashioned arpeggiator" and a "basic arpeggiator," so that's what I was thinking of. I appreciate the desire for more onboard editing for arpeggiation patterns, as well, but I'm afraid that's not in the cards for now. Best regards, Dan _________________ Dan Phillips Manager of Product Development, Korg R&D Personal website: www.danphillips.com For technical support, please contact your Korg Distributor: www.korg.co.jp/English/Distributors/ ..."
@@michaelaurelius8507 ... here's where someone explains using Wave Sequencing to create custom arpeggios. Not really a quick functioning arpeggiator per se but helpful. ua-cam.com/video/RgEByCYvdDI/v-deo.html
No aftertouch on a $2,000 keyboard? I can understand the loss of the controller section. And ALMOST the loss of Karma. But this trend from keyboard manufacturers to remove aftertouch from all but their top of the line synths? Is it really that expensive to implement? Am I the only one who finds aftertouch extremely useful? I sold my Kronos and was thinking of getting back into the "Kronos" fold, but I'll have to pass on the Nautilus. Regardless of how I feel, your review, as always, was very helpful and insightful. Thanks for always doing such a great job!
I had the Krome EX, Kronos 2 61, and now I have the Nautilus 61. Kronos is much more complicated. Karma has many variants, but you need to know how to use it, as a result, it is a difficult piece of equipment to use. I think the Nautilus sounds more accessible and more pleasant to listen to. Playing this instrument is pure satisfaction. Kronos has a more severe character. It looks as if Korg engineers have given the Kronos an easier & nicer version. The keyboard is probably the same, but in Nautilus it feels a bit deeper. Between Kronos and Nautilus I had Krome EX, so maybe that's why I feel in Nautilus. To sum up, Korg Nautilus is the best equipment I've ever dealt with. Affordable price, something beautiful.
How can I switch off USB audio loopback on the Nautilus? USB in is sent to USB out, when I want to monitor on Nautilus headphones. Use case: click/playback from DAW for overdubbing. Problem: Nautilus routes click to output and it gets recorded along with what I play.
Thank you for the comparison. You asked for feedback on Karma from Kronos users. I use Karma very sparingly, and I generally dislike it. It’s nice to see that Korg has moved to what seems to be a much more usable arpeggiation tool.
"All the keyboards are velocity sensitive but don't have aftertouch". Loopop, your reviews are the best and most thorough out there but this is one video I can't bring myself to watch. Korg let us all down badly on this one IMHO.
A great comparison. I have a Kronos 2 61, and like fellow commentators think that the omission of Karma would be a problem. It's one of the major features of Kronos (and Oasys before it) and once you get to know it, it soon becomes indispensable. The larger touchscreen on Kronos helps, particularly if like me, your fingers resemble bunches of bananas!
You are the “Users Manual” brought to life but with a fun entertaining and world class edge. I purchased a Yamaha MODX after watching your review. Thank you so much LoopPop!
wobbly plastic knobs/pots, a resistive touch screen and laggy interface are dealbreakers at >2k. When I spend that much on an instrument I expect nothing less than premium build quality.
Nothing wobbly, touch screen does its thing. No issues at all since one year. It's actually more fun to use than a Modx or Montage. And the Nautilus sounds fantastic!
As a Kronos 2 88 owner, I am quite happy to see this. :D They repeated their own mistakes, like sticking to the outdated sequencer all Korg workstations suffered of since M1 times. They also adopted proven mistakes from others, like Yamaha made with their DX7 - heavily compromized accessibility and usability due to the lack of physical controls. In short, it's a Kronos with too less controls, undersized screen and memory, and no Karma, bearing all the shortcomings of it's larger brother with added drawbacks. If it was a 1000 $ instrument - okay. But it isn't. So I feel very happy with my Kronos 2 88, wouldn't even buy this one if it came for 1500 bucks and three bikini models included. I guess Kronos doesn't need that new UI - it's just for compensating the dismemberment caused by the lack of physical controls. Answers: Use Karma:? Never programmed anything (too complicated) - but often like to use it for playing along for my own enjoyment. Never use it for recordings. Use the hardware controls?: Yes. Karma buttons, sliders, numerical keypad. They removed the keypad? Sequencer?: Used it quite heavily with the 01/w fd, created full songs with a multiple devices setup (01/w, JX-3P, Poly 800, DX7, Vocalist II). Back in time. There were times people from Europe travelled to the heart of India on the back of elephants, arrived after several years, if at all. Nowadays, they'll take a plane and safely arrive within a few hours. Same with sequencers. Thus I switched to Cubase, Reaper - and never looked back. Why should I? Sorry and happy to say: Korg went the wrong way. Stepping back doesn't get you forward. And lack of physical controls kills creativity, stops the temptation of creating your own sounds, reduces a workstation to a preset player.
@@rickvestuto - Ah, that's not my kind of device; I am one of that fossils used to playing white and black keys. :) So I am quite fine with using a software DAW for recording and sequencing. But thank you for that glance at the Akai front. :)
This is Korg's tradition. Move former engines to a midrange tier - whilst they develop the actual flagship successor. Which this isn't. That will undoubtedly come later; because of the global shortage of parts. Which is why Kronos itself, PA and Prologue are all discontinued and why other pieces of hardware are now offered as VSTs. Nautilus is a good tide over for those who didn't already have a Kronos with a new coat of paint. The replacement of Karma likely because it was deep and difficult for the more casual keyboardist. I wouldn't part with it either - but then I am a long term Korg user. Not someone they need to worry overly about. Kronos remains the king until the new flagship arrives. We'll see whats announced at the delayed NAMM in a few months time. Fantom and Modx are great value for what they offer. Both have pro's and cons. However Korg users tend to prefer the brand because of its net total character. I'd rather still use my Triton than a Roland Fantom-0 and would buy one now rather than it. But thats not to say I dislike Roland at all. I have a Jupiter X downstairs afterall. Be very clear about what and why you buy. Very few instruments are obsolete. I set up a professional stage a while ago for an artist - and they had a Triton and a old Yamaha SY. Along with a much more modern montage. Don't be afraid to like what you like. You'll enjoy music more that way.
Not only that. Looks like they're using the same atom chipset back from 2011, 2gb ram and all good thing developed 10 years ago. My 100$ chinese tablet has more power then this 2500$ workstation. which can explain the lag mention in the review. It's just yet another try to milk customers with old gear in new cases. The only thing korg really made an effort in is the new theme which I can only hope kronos users will get as an update if korg will be kind enough to bother.
They never got rid of them on keyboards. Supposedly, they say that resistive touch screens are better for pinpoint accuracy compared to capacitive for on stage applications. I don't know if I buy that; I think they are just cheaper to produce.
I have had the Kronos since it came out in 2011. JMO, this is not the same machine without KARMA and all the controls. I almost never use the touch screen on the Kronos and would find Nautalis unusable for this reason, and the lack of KARMA, that offers so much more than just ARPs. JMO, but this makes the Kronos an even better deal.
As you pointed out, the Kronos is 7 years old already. I was hoping for a better Kronos; not a cheaper but unimproved version. The improved samples, especially for piano, are nice, but, otherwise, it seems like a step backwards from an already old instrument. I would also say that the Kronos faders can be used as drawbars, which is definitely something that an organ player would miss.
I think it's nice if you have a use case for a Kronos but want to spend less. Maybe some Musical Directors? For me, I'm still extremely happy with my MODX6 and for $700 less than a Nautilus 61 I'd still buy it again specially because of the MODX's amazing audio interface.
Wow..., that’s pretty expensive for a budget version. There is no excuse in 2020 for a keyboard in that price range to not have aftertouch. I don’t understand why aftertouch is still being treated like it’s a “gold feature” in keyboards today. That technology has been around for a long time now.
I owned a Kronos 73 and it was almost perfect for me. But at 24Kg I could not take it at every rehearsal and gig anymore, the RH3 keyboard is nice but a bit inconvenient for organ/synth parts. So I think this might actually be a very good solution for somebody like me, but Korg has to work on the positioning. If they make it cost more or less like a MODX7 then we have a discussion here.
I have a headache just for seeing this video. And I had a Korg M50 a years ago. I see it's the same mindset to tame here, a little more complex. Thanks for the detail on the Review.
Damn, I love my Korg stuff but the price on these, no after touch in 2020’s even on a 4K keyboard..? A shit touch screen experience, no touch screen would have been better and make me more confident that the keyboard still works after twenty years of use. Hopefully here in 2024 I can find a good used one for half off or just forget about all together. I would really like to have the wavestation though.
Lack of physical faders would be a problem for me in Combi mode in a live gig situation. Shame 73 key version isn’t weighted like Kronos version is. Good to see simpler arppegiator as I do find karma very complicated
Hi! Thank for this introductive video! I am a MODX user and would shortly comment a comparison to. 1/ screen: It seemed that you got difficulties in ticking on the screen, not the case with MODX. 2/ facade controls: MODX offers more, and the SuperKnob is so powerful it can replace aftertouch in some performances , better again using one of the 4 pedal controls 3/ Quality/price ratio: once you own a computer with your daw you can compensate easily sampling and sequencing weak options from the MODX and you can enjoy great sounds with MODX ( 1000 £) and complement with a good analog synth like Korg Minilog XD (500£) up to a Prologue 16 OSC (1500 £) to reach the price of Nautilus (announced ca. 2500 £)
@@brunodadivore9606 I was a passionate synth collector...but after testing tons of softsynths I lost my interest a bit, I went back to playing guitar. I still have some old synths left, they sound very well. (Yamaha AN1X, Korg Radias) The most interesting thing is the Wavestate but I don't have an immediate urge to buy, lol.
More impressed with your walk through than the actual product. If Kronos was Korg’s legs they would certainly be running a marathon. I’m good with it because at least there is no gas to contend with. I can stay focused on more innovative products.
@@jehwoh yes i have all the Arturia suite. DX7 plug in is really nice, much easier to program than the real DX7. But now I stopped using, cause MODX is much greater and easier to sound design
I have owned an 88-key Kronos 2 for 3 years where it’s remained the centerpiece of my studio. Aftertouch I’ve really only used while plugging lighter action external keybeds into it (MIDI/USB) due to the heavy piano hammer action. Karma is something I’ve lightly tapped into but enjoy having as a weighty option. Amazing sounds, however I feel the biggest limitation of both is still using the 32-bit architecture and it’s 4GB memory ceiling.
I have such a love/hate relationship with my Kronos 2. I had the Oasys as well. The complexity gets in the way of creativity for me. But Kronos sounds amazing across the 9 engines. I sequence my Kronos externally and I use the great arp patterns as a starting point. Karma has been a mystery to me for a decade and still is. The board and controllers are fab. I have only scraped the surface with Oasys/Kronos alas.
This Keyboard looks to be a beast for sure. Nautilus does seem to be a very Apt name though, as it looks like you're going to have to do some very deep 'Menu Diving' to get to where you want to be. This coupled with a smaller screen must surely make for some frustration, and cursing.. Great detailed upload!
Inthink Nautilus is a great instrument. Its core sound is a kronos. It would be enough for many enthusiasts. What i am actually waiting for is a new kronos. You know they are making it but keeping it under wraps. If i werevto recommend improvements for a new kronos, they would be adding a larger hardrive, add more ram memory for samples and definitely add more synthesis engines besides the nine presently offered. This would require it to have a quicker or more advanced cpu right.? Korg is an amazing company. I still have the Triton classic. It has great programming tools. Until thisvday in music it is still viable. But yes i cant wait.
Thanks for the video. Part of the reason I liked the KARMA function is that it is helpful for creating beautiful spacious pads. But, of coarse, it is complicated. I probably understand about 50% of it. So what do you guys think>? Will the lack of KARMA make it more difficult to create beautiful PADS?
2 ARPs and a drum track...this started like 15 yrs back with the M50. And now ladies and gentle man, KORG presents......oh almost the same concept. Anyone who can manage create a professional sounding user ARP pattern using this keyboard should be nominated for the OSCARs.
The Triton had this back in the day plus an extremely nice Yamaha keyboard with aftertouch and built like a tank - it does seem like one step forward two steps back with modern workstations, and for this price it’s ridiculous. Maybe there just isn’t the market there used to be?
I'm still playing my M50-88. I use it with Cakewalk, Kontakt 7, Komplete 14 standard. It's really way more than I'll ever need. But I'm getting an inch to upgrade my keyboard and I'm totally confused on which way to go. I'm not into creating my own sounds, but I do want one with the arp/drum track. This nautilus is over kill for me but I still like it. Been looking at the Studiologic keyboards. I could use someone like the OP to help me wade through the choices.
I bought the Kronos 1 year ago and don´t regret. Karma is important for me, especially the small joystick. The bigger touchscreen is also much better. I would say - if you are buying Nautilus just for the Korg sounds - go for it. If you need to use the powerful Kronos sequencer, forget it. Additionally, more knobs and buttons etc are a big advantage for me when creating complex compositions or for live performance. Kronos is a kind of an old-school beast for more complex compositions. You can work dawless if you want. In this case, the bigger screen is much better. I am sure many people just liked the sounds and the synth of the Kronos - in this case Nautilus is a great choice.
Is it not weird for an expensive synth in 2020 to not have aftertouch? It's definitely weird for anything to have a resistive touch screen in the last 10 years 🤦♂️🤦♀️
Who exactly do you think is buying flagship synths? toddlers? Bedroom beginners? We know what AT is because we are industry professionals who do the job as a career. We know precisely what it does, what boards are best for it and whether or not we need it - or an artist we work with does. Korg are known for their synth specialization. Rather than Piano or Organ like team red, or Yamaha. Thus; people expecting it from korg is not surprising. That they released a limited amount of Prologues with it. And made sure that the current little 3 octave toys and be used with it - should reinforce the point. Again, this is our career focus. Don't generalize with people you don't know.
I just don't get Korg, what is their Obsession with scaled down Kronos's, KROSS KROME KROME EX KRONOS LS i3 And now Nautilus Don't even care what they call it Kronos 3, Kronos the Sequel, Kronos Unleashed. Can We just have it before the turn of the Century.
Well said! It seems two strategical teams at Korg. One for flagships and workstations where they seem lost in what to do to take the Yamaha, Nord and Roland train. And a second one for synths Volca, Log serie , Wavestate, OPSIX bringing something new to the world
Korg needs to move pass kronos to a full 64bit monster that has the latest tech. I am sure at these prices they can do it. Just put a mac mini in it that's 16gb ram 2 thunderbolt ports 512 ssd under $1000. IPad for control 3gb ram 32 storage excellent touch screen for control A pro quality 88 key controller faders pads pedal inputs midi audio in and out USB etc. Komplete software logic software garage band other editing apps. Way less than $3000. Now put that all together in a nice looking 61 73 88 key keyboard. This is what we want. Then make lower end consumer versions the next year.
Karma is a special piece of kit indeed. No not everyone needs it, or understands it. But those who do - won't be without it. It's a simple enough distinction. Yamaha and Roland et al exist primarily in other areas. Korg is the synth King in regards to their net direction. They have some of the best sampling and experimental engineering in the business. So keep in mind who you are dealing with.
I had a Nautilus on order but switched and bought a Kronos. I'm intrigued with Karma. The HD1 samples on Nautilus probably will be available at some point or similar available. The bigger display and all the panel controls, aftertouch, seems worth price difference of $700 at least before Kronos reverts back to normal price on Jan 1st. I'm back to playing again after decades layoff following neck surgery. Wanted the best available workstation at moment. Nautilus very tempting though ... even more when price difference goes back to, $1,200 not $700.
Did Korg peak 15 years ago when they released the OASYS? My 76 key version has HD-1, EXs-2 (pianos), AL-1, CX-3, STR-1, LAC-1 (PolySix & MS-20), MOD-7 plus KARMA and aftertouch... Putting it in a different case and changing its name every few years seems to be all they've done since.
Honestly, Georgina, who cares? NO ONE has been able to even remotely touch the OASYS, KRONOS, and now NAUTILUS in ANY product released in the last 15 years, in ANY capacity whatsoever. The mere fact that KRONOS EXCEEDS my beloved OASYS of the last 12-13 YEARS with 2 Synth Engines, DAW Integration, and a LOT of new features and sounds that I can't get on my OASYS speaks volumes of what Korg has accomplished. I do agree that 2005 was their peak and everything since then has been repackaged with 6 different KRONOS variations since 2011, and the outstanding HD-1 engine trickling down to the KROME and SV-2 as EDS-X, and now ALL 9 synth engines coming to an insane price point with the NAUTILUS, without the control surface and a simpler front panel, but again, WHO CARES? I honestly wish they had come out with the NAUTILUS A LOT sooner, because KARMA is a royal pain in the ass to use and the mere fact that you have to use a computer JUST to edit and create patterns is ridiculous! Using a DAW is one thing and I LOVE Logic. But given that 90% of the time I'm using my keyboards and actually sequencing on them stand alone and I can't create patterns on a synth that has a sound and feature set I have never seen in ANY other product prior to the OASYS is quite infuriating. NAUTILUS truly is a dream come true for me and I LOVE how much they have updated the interface.
There isn't anything wrong with the engines. There is nothing new under the sun. Just better UI and approach. The little Korg boards are them messing with advancement. Trialing new blends with FM. Waves and on. These workstations on the other hand are bread and butter Korgs. A much smaller company than the others. The Nautilus is a tide over, while the world is uncertain. You'll get a new flagship when its possible to even deliver one. Hence many other flagship ranges have recently been discontinued and they are on with the VST (no physical components required). There certainly has been some complacency over the years due to the overall lack of demand and advancement. But things age. The engines will be given new life and UI no doubt. All in good time. They like to let the other brands tip their hands to the market first. Since NAMM is put back until summer, wait for that.
"I have no idea whats going on here" . 24 mins. How many Kronos users have said that? Great vid as usual. Quite helpful to me as a longtime Kronos misuser.
For that price... HOW can they get away with it? I know its MSRP and will probably drop but I get so much more out of my MODX7 and got it open box for $1199. Best synth/workstation I've ever used (so far). I wouldn't mind one of the new Fantoms someday, but they are also expensive.
No aftertouch over $2000, Yamaha did the same with the modx. I am surprised. I really expected a huge upgrade to a workstation in 2020. Thunderbolt 4 usb4 1 to 4 TB nvme ssd upgrade slots 64 bit Linux os 64-128 MB ram upgrade. templates for the latest daws Or a custom daw. Much better touchscreen..hdmi out for touch mouse and keyboard. Faders drum pads editing buttons? I do appreciate the 16 audio tracks sampling and audio in . Basically today this should be capable of running kontact komplete and 64 tracks audio other efx and instrument plugins without the need for a computer. I mean a $699 mac mini or 6 or 8 core pc will run circles around this with komplete and cubase or logic or reaper or reason or live. Add an aftertouch keyboard with pads faders etc. One day someone will make that all in one system.
I have a Kronos and I would miss Karma. There's lots of cool stuff you can do with it. As far as the tabs go I like the two rows on the Kronos as opposed to the page layout.
Can you also program fixed notes sequences with the arp editor? I mean play a notes sequence with just one key which then is transposed over the keyboard? If so how this be done? Thanks.
Kronoa2 is king i've tried both the kronos and the natilus in live and studio situations and i'd say i'd pick the kronos over any other workstations, also karma and aftertouch are a must
I was saving up for a MODX, and I never thought I would see Korg playing the MODX card. It is a very interesting time to be buying synths. I wonder if Roland will do the same. This is now such an interesting category since the Yamaha MODX doesn't have a virtual analogue engine. EDIT: After seeing the price, I don't know if Korg is trying to be in the midrange market or creating an alternative option for Kronos owners.
This one doesn't have an analog engine, it's all digital... It's a VA (virtual analog). I'm a MODX6 owner and I'd buy the MODX again. One of the biggest advantages is how the audio interface works.
True, but you'd be surprised how 'analogue' both AWM2 and FMX engines on the MODX can sound, especially with some of the third party libraries out there.
@@gautrstafr Mistake on my part, early hours here, you're right I meant to say VA. The audio interface on the Nautilus is a little bit bizarre. It has 4 outs, and yet 2 USB channels, IMO this would be a perfect option for Mainstage users because of the potentially assignable outs.
You're absolutely in the right. Yamaha seems the only historical one -with Behringer and now ASM and Modal- to understand the market. Price wise but also the quality of the interface and the care how they build the workflow. Discussing with part of Yamaha team, I am not surprised as I am convinced their culture of listening customers experience is so anchored at the firm. At the Nautilus price level, by far more expensive than the MODX, and staying in the workstation segment, Roland Fantom appears to me very attractive.
@@AynsleyGreen Yes! Have one MODX and it is pleasure all days long, never shorted in creativity with it. When you are not professional MODX choice seems obvious @ that budget as a workstation AND a fantastic FM synth. Are you talking about Easysounds ? Which have you and would recommend?
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I was pretty disapointed when I noticed the extra 15" screen wasn't real..
Um well.. I didn't do a double take.. I spent 15 minutes on google trying to find the monitor or some hack before I saw these comments... dum dum dum dum dum
Genuinely don't mind a resistive touchscreen. I live in an area that's horribly humid most of the time and my hands sweat terribly. Capacitive touchscreens are not my friend.
29:51 It's good to know that Korg's priests performed whatever ritual put the ghosts into Kronos, too. I have a track/jam called We Are where the Kronos kept changing drum kits on me... but with better taste and timing than I would have. The screen was open to the "select by category" pop-up for drum kits, and I could see each new drum kit highlighted as it changed. That sort of thing happened a few times. Since yesterday, it won't stay on for very long. A lighter weight version would be great, but I have so much fun with karma. If the step sequencers were like 64 steps each of the Volca Drum step sequencer, then that would be very useful, very tempting. After watching most of this video as a refresher- I'd miss too much from the Kronos, though. Someone else probably wouldn't. That settles it.. I need to get mine fixed.
I welcome the Nautilus. Because i prefer Arp/Drum Editor over the Karma. Four different drum parts in one program offers the possiblity for drumfills etc. Exactly that's the only thing i've missed in great Kronos. Thanks Korg
Hoping the new features get into kronos with an update, but karma is way more well... more, and the added sliders are very usefull for realtime use. Oh, and no aftertouch? That's a no deal for me...
I really think this is the new Krome, only called Nautilus. For the 61 key version if the price cones down to $1749 then I could see this being a solid buy. Yes, minimal and clean front panel like an old M1 but with 9 sound engines, sampling, audio rec, sequencing and a more practical arpeggiator vs Karma, this becomes a vastly scaled up Krome. Can be great for sound design, work with your DAW (since it can hook to MIDI controllers, and you can take your samples from various libraries with you for live performance. $2000 might be a little steep for this now but I expect the price to come down. I have this feeling Krome will be phased out with this on the market now. I can see them ramping up the power in Kross, and my feeling is the new Kronos (or whatever they call it) is going to break some new ground. Perhaps updates of the 9 sound engines you see here. Not sure if Karma will continue. I'm hoping for more of an Ableton or FL Studio type sequencer for MIDI and Audio and perhaps more realistic orchestral sound libraries similar to East West, Cinesamples, VSL, Spitfire, etc. With the right audio interface and thunderbolt support this would allow professional scoring without having to run lots of VST plugs in the computer that eat up ram and often require using multiple computers. If the sample architecture was open enough that we could actually load something like EW Symphonic Orchestra Gold or Platinum on the board with everything locking to the DAW (or work stand alone on the synth) that would be very cool.
I've tested a lot of keyboards and to me this was one of the most well balanced workstations, which can allow the user to play practically any genre. The only keyboard I would consider buying under $2000 is the Roland FA06.
does this keyboard include the "legendary" programs that come with the Kronos? I mean those sounds that replicate the instruments of some classic pop songs (Imagine, Supertramp, Journey, Beatles, etc)?
Someone help me understand why we would want to send only two channels over USB? I see this as a perfect keyboard for Mainstage because there are 4 assignable outs, but it sounds like those 4 assignable outputs aren't exposed to your computer (which would make it even more compelling IMO).
Still love my Kronos. I would really miss the sliders which I use primarily as drawbars. I usually use aftertouch to open up the filters which is very expressive. I have the expanded software for Karma but I never really got into it. I use the Kronos mainly in a live band setting so Karma, arpegiators and sequencers are not anything I would use on a regular basis. I rarely use the vector joystick or the ribbon. Never got into making sounds with MOD7 or STR-1. To me, the Nautilus is a step backward. I wish they had expanded on the Kronos technology. A newer motherboard with a lot more RAM and faster boot time would be a great start. The Vox and Farfisa engines from the Korg Vox Continental would be welcome as well as some additional engines such as a string machine, more synthesizer emulations and some acoustic instrument engines (ie. strings and brass). Polyphonic aftertouch, an external monitor output and a large ribbon above the keyboard would be great. Also bringing back some of the Oasys features like the lighted controls and the drum pads.
I have a Nautilus 88 and am still getting use to it.. I owned an OASYS and Kronos 88, so am giving the Nautilus a chance as the main board of my rig.. I wasn't a big user of Karma, never quite figured it out so wasn't a loss in the Nautilus, the sliders are a big issue but can purchase NANO Control 2 and that will fix that issue.. The Nautilus is definitely powerful in it's own right with newer sounds etc. I am not a fan of this screen since my MODX is more touch screen than the Korg. The organs on the Naut are great, but I am still using my Nord Electro 2 - 73 for organ parts.. Whether or not I keep the Korg is going to come down to performance and usability in live settings.. Using Set List is great for notes and is like it's predecessors for the gigging player.. Korg needs to really do something with the power of the machine, or should I say lack of power.. Boot time is terrible, lag in the screens is terrible, 3GB of RAM is total not acceptable, and the 60GB SSD drive is fair, but could be larger.. In today's technology there should be no problems with latency or polyphony and I haven't researched the processor in the Nautilus as of yet, but that is on my to do list.. Now I am going to work on iPad connection and using it with the rig like the MODX does.. Take care all and thank you for reading......
Hi, It has a Korg Krome dising, I did not like that they removed the faders, in mya case I use them a lot for the combination of live tones. The option I see is tu use a pedal, but I feel taht it would be very complicated and uncomfortable, one rule, you pay attention to what you interpret or yuo look at the screen to select the correct option without your finger moving to the wrong place. Presonally, I Stay with KRONOS, I will wait for the next model after the Nautilus
It's not. I had a Kronos 2, remember.. this can produce all of the sounds, every single sound that you can get out of Kronos. It has actually more HD-1 samples than Kronos. It's also half the price of a new Kronos.
Thanks for the review. I'm still more than happy with my old Oasys 76 from 2006: much more realtime controls, tiltable 10" screen, keys with aftertouch ... but I'd really looking forward to an instrumt fusion between Kronos and PA4X ...
A Kronos with onboard speakers would be great! I would also really like piano action in a 61 key.....but I am a pianist so I'm biased.
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So these are the brains of a Kronos in the body of a Krome. It's interesting to note that Karma seems to be the main victim here software-wise. Karma has some issues: 1) it's extremely powerful and as such it takes time to master it, it s like a giant Sudoku inside the Kronos 2) although you can configure and tweak thousands (millions?) of parameters, you cant really edit the patterns unless you use the special Karma for Korg Kronos software and 3) the Karma license probably adds some cost to the instrument. Its a pity that Korg and Karma Labs seem to have parted ways :( The new arpeggiator and drum editing capabilities are nice and as you stated more accessible.
Minor technical point, if it's like the Kronos, in Combi mode the "channels" are known as "timbres". Helps alleviate confusing them with MIDI channels. On a workstation as deep as this, nomenclature precision is a must.
In general I totally agree - I just couldn't get with the timbre program since it's frequently used for something different on every other instrument. I don't think I use the term channel though? I mainly called it tracks (and I agree that technically tracks are for the sequencer and timbres are for combis)
@@loopop understood. I'm on the Korg Forums constantly and getting and giving help on the Kronos can be challenging. I use KARMA minimally. I've found making adjustments on the control surface is almost intuitive. Digging in deeper is challenging. I've used the Sequencer a bit. The more you use it, the easier it becomes, but it's a bit fiddly. Event editing is a good tool when you select the right track! Thanks for the overview. The community had this as a "leak" just days ago. I'm waiting for the Kronos successor.
So much to like, but than again: a resistive touchscreen in 2020? (At least it's touch.) I'm more curious about the quality of the keybed. I've read plenty of reviews that burns the keybed on the MODX down, so I'm somewhat hesitant to even consider a trimmed down instrument. But one can really tell after a decent amount of usage how the keybed is holding up. So, for now, like the MODX, I stay away from this one.
I guess Korg wanted to save the royalties for Karma, so it hasn't been used in the keyboards since the Krome. Karma is available in 4 keyboards: The Karma Workstation, The Oasys, the M3 and the Kronos. With the M50 you could still use Karma if it ran on an extra PC.
It just dawned on me that Korg may have decided to alter the Montage to MODX model by introducing a light version of the Kronos then release a complete ground up replacement for the Kronos. Hmmmmm?
@@RayyMusik MODX/88 $1999 US at Sweetwater, Nautilus 73 $2399. No contest. I'll take the MODX. There isn't even an 88 key Nautilus, at least not on sweetwater yet.
If it was a rackmount Kronos I might be interested.. as it is why wouldn't I just get a used Kronos if I cared about the 30%? Price differential more like Montage to MODX may have made more sense, too
I guess Korg is trying to compete with the Yamaha Modx. I think they should have just made a tabletop or rack unit. This gives you a good amount of features for the price but I pray a Kronos 3 is around the corner with more juice and a updated screen.
Hello, I'm just starting with the Korg company (previously Roland Fantom G and Yamaha Tyros 3,4). Currently, I have the Korg PA5X, which, for me, is intuitive-I managed it without using the manual. I'm considering purchasing the Nautilus. The question is, can you record vocals directly onto audio tracks using a microphone on the Nautilus, then combine it with a MIDI track, save it, and play back the complete recorded song (the whole song)?
Hello Sir, I am looking for a KRONOS but I am curious about when they will release a new version? In KORG's case, it may take a while and probably they come up with a whole new thing. Buying the KORG OASYS would be a "Joker" possibility. The foldable screen is very helpful especially for myopic people like I am. Is there a possibility of connecting an external screen to KRONOS? What's your opinion? Thanks for your highly skilled work! SUPER!
I always try to be positive about new instruments, but it's tough with this one. It looks like a pretty sweaty attempt to wring a few more bucks out of Kronos tech, and 10 years too late. At least it was only a couple years from Montage to MODX, and a bigger price jump as well.
Is having an internal Hard Drive kind of counter productive? The only reason I ask is that with my Triton classic I lost all my data when the external HD failed. I now have a SCSI2SD drive on the SCSI port so I can easily transfer data for backing up. Would it not have been easier to have something similar for the NAUTILUS?
Some good sounds in there but I will stick with my MODX7. I really think Korg shrinked Nautilus a bit too much.. Resistive touch screen, way to less hands on control, still limited in the RAM sector.. Don't get me wrong, I like Korg and I love my Wavestation but I think you better get a MODX and a Behringer K1 for half the price of the Nautilus..
No Ribbon I use mine heavily No Aftertouch I use mine Less Knobs I use mine organ Karma I uee the loaded sets And what designers made No plug in nonstudio
I've used a Kronos live for 15 years or so. This seems like a great replacement for less money (especially since my Kronos is showing its age). Karma is cool, but I think I've used it a couple of times as a novelty. The Nautilus arp seems way less complex and ultimately more useful.
When I first saw the Nautilus I thought "Have they finally built something new?!" - but when I started reading I realized that I was still stuck with my Kronos'. I have two, both the X73 and the SE88 - and I have to say, it's an amazing keyboard, but it's incredibly outdated technology. The Nautilus had me hyped for about 5 minutes, until I read about it. So I guess I'll be spending my money on other gear, as opposed to keyboards - right now.
Hey Loopop! Great rev. Sweetwater talks about the keybed: ”Korg has developed a new Light-Touch keyboard that facilitates smooth glissandos and lightning-fast synth solos.” What’s you’re opinion on the quality or feel of the Nautilus Keybed (Wavestate? Modx? Novation SLMK3? Best Regards /Mack
I've been debating whether to buy a Kronos or Nautilus and I've exhaustively gone over the specifications of Kronos and Nautilus. Here is how it looks from my perspective. I don't know the intangibles that help comparison such as any differences in long term maintenance costs, expected longevity of support from Korg if Kronos discontinued, performance & overall ease of use, software and hardware component quality, whether Kronos Karma or Nautilus Arpeggiator is best choice,, etc.
Bottom line - - - Is Kronos worth approximately $700 more (or $1,200 if sale ends)?
What is the SAME or Extremely Similar:
- 9 Sound Engines, Oscillator Control & Maximum Polyphony (though the SGX2 piano type and sounds slightly different between the two)
- PCM Ram capacity
- Combination Timbres
- Quick Layer / Split feature
- Set Lists
- Sampling
- Effects
- Sequencer Capability
- Keyboard action and size options
What's DIFFERENT:
- Only Kronos has Aftertouch
- Kronos has more physical slider controls, knobs, buttons, etc, on panel
- Kronos has KARMA with 96 preloaded Generated Effects whereas Nautilus has an Arpeggiator with 1,593 Preloaded Patterns
**[Note/edit: The Nautilus Arpeggiator allows highly customizable arpeggio patterns - whereas - that more difficult or perhaps not possible via Karma on the Kronos.]
- Kronos with Karma has 8 Scenes versus 4 Scenes on the Nautilus Arpeggiator
- Kronos has 718 preset Drum Patterns versus 1,272 on Nautilus
- Kronos has 1,792 preloaded Programs of which 896 are HD-1 & 512 preloaded Combinations ... versus Nautilus which has 1,920 preloaded Programs 1,280 of which are HD-1 & 256 preloaded Combinations (both have 2,560 slots for Programs and 1,792 slots for Combinations)
- Kronos has 314 MB of Preset PCM versus 498 MB on Nautilus (though Kronos has greater quantity of multisamples and drum samples)
- Kronos has 198 preloaded Wave Sequences vs 377 preloaded on Nautilus (both have a 598 capacity)
- The available Built In Expansion Libraries differ
- Kronos has 8" display at higher resolution than the 7" display on Nautilus
- Nautilus 3 lbs lighter
You missed one CRUCIAL aspect that justifies why the NAUTILUS is so special:
USER Arps. Those astounding 1593 arps are FULLY PROGRAMMABLE. In KARMA, there's ZERO user pattern capability and instead of just being about to hit record and create a pattern, like you can on the NAUTILUS, you have to move a bunch of controls, to get close to what you want and even THEN it's not exactly what you want because it's all PRE-generated.
@@michaelaurelius8507 yes that appears to be a limitation ... though could spend $169 for the full external KARMA software ... but that's another step and expense. From what I can gather browsing videos on the subject you CAN get pretty close to completely created user patterns via Kronos alone. Perhaps via sequencer you could achieve this and/or by assigning different programs to drum patterns?
Certainly a consideration. I personally was wowed by Karma so ultimately ended up buying a Kronos instead of Nautilus ... but it was not a slam dunk easy decision.
Thanks for the information.
@@michaelaurelius8507 ... you appear to be correct Michael. In another forum I see where a Korg R&D manager admitted lack of customizable Arpeggiator feature in Kronos. Though you can probably find a Karma GE Arpeggiator pattern or the up down pattern that fits your needs, a specific user created option isn't there.
My thinking was you create arpeggio type patterns and loop them in Sequencer but that not the same really. Not really with triggers on n off at ease and simply customizable like in Nautilus.
I'm still learning the features ... just thinking out loud. Haven't received my Kronos yet so have been reading Operation Guide, etc.
" .... The original poster asked about a "good old-fashioned arpeggiator" and a "basic arpeggiator," so that's what I was thinking of.
I appreciate the desire for more onboard editing for arpeggiation patterns, as well, but I'm afraid that's not in the cards for now.
Best regards,
Dan
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@@michaelaurelius8507 ... here's where someone explains using Wave Sequencing to create custom arpeggios. Not really a quick functioning arpeggiator per se but helpful.
ua-cam.com/video/RgEByCYvdDI/v-deo.html
No aftertouch on a $2,000 keyboard? I can understand the loss of the controller section. And ALMOST the loss of Karma. But this trend from keyboard manufacturers to remove aftertouch from all but their top of the line synths? Is it really that expensive to implement? Am I the only one who finds aftertouch extremely useful? I sold my Kronos and was thinking of getting back into the "Kronos" fold, but I'll have to pass on the Nautilus. Regardless of how I feel, your review, as always, was very helpful and insightful. Thanks for always doing such a great job!
I had the Krome EX, Kronos 2 61, and now I have the Nautilus 61. Kronos is much more complicated. Karma has many variants, but you need to know how to use it, as a result, it is a difficult piece of equipment to use. I think the Nautilus sounds more accessible and more pleasant to listen to. Playing this instrument is pure satisfaction. Kronos has a more severe character. It looks as if Korg engineers have given the Kronos an easier & nicer version. The keyboard is probably the same, but in Nautilus it feels a bit deeper. Between Kronos and Nautilus I had Krome EX, so maybe that's why I feel in Nautilus. To sum up, Korg Nautilus is the best equipment I've ever dealt with. Affordable price, something beautiful.
How can I switch off USB audio loopback on the Nautilus?
USB in is sent to USB out, when I want to monitor on Nautilus headphones. Use case: click/playback from DAW for overdubbing. Problem: Nautilus routes click to output and it gets recorded along with what I play.
Thank you for the comparison. You asked for feedback on Karma from Kronos users. I use Karma very sparingly, and I generally dislike it. It’s nice to see that Korg has moved to what seems to be a much more usable arpeggiation tool.
I dont care if i got mates over, if a loopop video drops im watching it
"All the keyboards are velocity sensitive but don't have aftertouch". Loopop, your reviews are the best and most thorough out there but this is one video I can't bring myself to watch. Korg let us all down badly on this one IMHO.
Yes they did eddy,and of all the things to cut down on.. aftertouch korg? really?
A great comparison. I have a Kronos 2 61, and like fellow commentators think that the omission of Karma would be a problem. It's one of the major features of Kronos (and Oasys before it) and once you get to know it, it soon becomes indispensable. The larger touchscreen on Kronos helps, particularly if like me, your fingers resemble bunches of bananas!
You are the “Users Manual” brought to life but with a fun entertaining and world class edge.
I purchased a Yamaha MODX after watching your review.
Thank you so much LoopPop!
wobbly plastic knobs/pots, a resistive touch screen and laggy interface are dealbreakers at >2k. When I spend that much on an instrument I expect nothing less than premium build quality.
There’s the Nord Stage 3.
Nothing wobbly, touch screen does its thing. No issues at all since one year.
It's actually more fun to use than a Modx or Montage.
And the Nautilus sounds fantastic!
korg naut has a good sounds but if the touc is broken then its the end of the board.
@@krosstechguy3290 that's the same with most keyboards.
@@thorstenweimar1190 The orchestral and cinematic patches and effects are mindblowing!
As a Kronos 2 88 owner, I am quite happy to see this. :D
They repeated their own mistakes, like sticking to the outdated sequencer all Korg workstations suffered of since M1 times.
They also adopted proven mistakes from others, like Yamaha made with their DX7 - heavily compromized accessibility and usability due to the lack of physical controls.
In short, it's a Kronos with too less controls, undersized screen and memory, and no Karma, bearing all the shortcomings of it's larger brother with added drawbacks.
If it was a 1000 $ instrument - okay. But it isn't.
So I feel very happy with my Kronos 2 88, wouldn't even buy this one if it came for 1500 bucks and three bikini models included.
I guess Kronos doesn't need that new UI - it's just for compensating the dismemberment caused by the lack of physical controls.
Answers:
Use Karma:? Never programmed anything (too complicated) - but often like to use it for playing along for my own enjoyment. Never use it for recordings.
Use the hardware controls?: Yes. Karma buttons, sliders, numerical keypad. They removed the keypad?
Sequencer?: Used it quite heavily with the 01/w fd, created full songs with a multiple devices setup (01/w, JX-3P, Poly 800, DX7, Vocalist II). Back in time. There were times people from Europe travelled to the heart of India on the back of elephants, arrived after several years, if at all. Nowadays, they'll take a plane and safely arrive within a few hours. Same with sequencers. Thus I switched to Cubase, Reaper - and never looked back. Why should I?
Sorry and happy to say: Korg went the wrong way. Stepping back doesn't get you forward. And lack of physical controls kills creativity, stops the temptation of creating your own sounds, reduces a workstation to a preset player.
try pairing a MPC one with your Kronos The sequencer is awesome to use and many options
@@rickvestuto - Ah, that's not my kind of device; I am one of that fossils used to playing white and black keys. :)
So I am quite fine with using a software DAW for recording and sequencing.
But thank you for that glance at the Akai front. :)
What would you recommend in a similar price range that’s superior, and isn’t almost totally obsolete?
@@robertw1871 Fantom 0 series!
This is Korg's tradition. Move former engines to a midrange tier - whilst they develop the actual flagship successor. Which this isn't. That will undoubtedly come later; because of the global shortage of parts. Which is why Kronos itself, PA and Prologue are all discontinued and why other pieces of hardware are now offered as VSTs. Nautilus is a good tide over for those who didn't already have a Kronos with a new coat of paint. The replacement of Karma likely because it was deep and difficult for the more casual keyboardist. I wouldn't part with it either - but then I am a long term Korg user. Not someone they need to worry overly about. Kronos remains the king until the new flagship arrives. We'll see whats announced at the delayed NAMM in a few months time.
Fantom and Modx are great value for what they offer. Both have pro's and cons. However Korg users tend to prefer the brand because of its net total character. I'd rather still use my Triton than a Roland Fantom-0 and would buy one now rather than it. But thats not to say I dislike Roland at all. I have a Jupiter X downstairs afterall. Be very clear about what and why you buy.
Very few instruments are obsolete. I set up a professional stage a while ago for an artist - and they had a Triton and a old Yamaha SY. Along with a much more modern montage. Don't be afraid to like what you like. You'll enjoy music more that way.
As if 2020 wasn’t bad enough, they are bringing back resistive touch screens...
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Not only that. Looks like they're using the same atom chipset back from 2011, 2gb ram and all good thing developed 10 years ago. My 100$ chinese tablet has more power then this 2500$ workstation. which can explain the lag mention in the review. It's just yet another try to milk customers with old gear in new cases. The only thing korg really made an effort in is the new theme which I can only hope kronos users will get as an update if korg will be kind enough to bother.
Yes, I am a few mins into the video and already the UI/touchscreen seems very unresponsive for modern standards (phones, tablets)
They never got rid of them on keyboards. Supposedly, they say that resistive touch screens are better for pinpoint accuracy compared to capacitive for on stage applications. I don't know if I buy that; I think they are just cheaper to produce.
This looks awful. No aftertouch, resistive touch screen, barely any controls, wobbly knob.
A lot of extra blank space, yet very capable. Loopop yet again you did an amazing job!
I have had the Kronos since it came out in 2011. JMO, this is not the same machine without KARMA and all the controls. I almost never use the touch screen on the Kronos and would find Nautalis unusable for this reason, and the lack of KARMA, that offers so much more than just ARPs. JMO, but this makes the Kronos an even better deal.
I agree I was thinking to buy a Nautilus until I've found out that it does not have Karma...
Fun fact the Kronos cannot be bought so it’s not a better deal🤔🤷♀️
As you pointed out, the Kronos is 7 years old already. I was hoping for a better Kronos; not a cheaper but unimproved version. The improved samples, especially for piano, are nice, but, otherwise, it seems like a step backwards from an already old instrument.
I would also say that the Kronos faders can be used as drawbars, which is definitely something that an organ player would miss.
The Korg Kronos is from 2011, so already 9 years old.
Oasys is still the best. Karma is truly amazing. I also love the pads, extra knobs and sliders, ribbons, joysticks, etc.
One of the best reviews on UA-cam. Well done!!!
I think it's nice if you have a use case for a Kronos but want to spend less. Maybe some Musical Directors? For me, I'm still extremely happy with my MODX6 and for $700 less than a Nautilus 61 I'd still buy it again specially because of the MODX's amazing audio interface.
Dude... nice camera work!
Wow..., that’s pretty expensive for a budget version. There is no excuse in 2020 for a keyboard in that price range to not have aftertouch. I don’t understand why aftertouch is still being treated like it’s a “gold feature” in keyboards today. That technology has been around for a long time now.
Why do you need aftertouch, it’s basically used for about four samples?
I owned a Kronos 73 and it was almost perfect for me. But at 24Kg I could not take it at every rehearsal and gig anymore, the RH3 keyboard is nice but a bit inconvenient for organ/synth parts. So I think this might actually be a very good solution for somebody like me, but Korg has to work on the positioning. If they make it cost more or less like a MODX7 then we have a discussion here.
I have a headache just for seeing this video. And I had a Korg M50 a years ago. I see it's the same mindset to tame here, a little more complex. Thanks for the detail on the Review.
Damn, I love my Korg stuff but the price on these, no after touch in 2020’s even on a 4K keyboard..? A shit touch screen experience, no touch screen would have been better and make me more confident that the keyboard still works after twenty years of use. Hopefully here in 2024 I can find a good used one for half off or just forget about all together. I would really like to have the wavestation though.
Lack of physical faders would be a problem for me in Combi mode in a live gig situation.
Shame 73 key version isn’t weighted like Kronos version is.
Good to see simpler arppegiator as I do find karma very complicated
Hi! Thank for this introductive video! I am a MODX user and would shortly comment a comparison to. 1/ screen: It seemed that you got difficulties in ticking on the screen, not the case with MODX. 2/ facade controls: MODX offers more, and the SuperKnob is so powerful it can replace aftertouch in some performances , better again using one of the 4 pedal controls 3/ Quality/price ratio: once you own a computer with your daw you can compensate easily sampling and sequencing weak options from the MODX and you can enjoy great sounds with MODX ( 1000 £) and complement with a good analog synth like Korg Minilog XD (500£) up to a Prologue 16 OSC (1500 £) to reach the price of Nautilus (announced ca. 2500 £)
Indeed, you could buy a Wavestate too as a MODX complement, AND the Minilogue XD. :-)
@@Aetila A taste of heaven in that case ...
@@Aetila ... and two years to go around, deepen and master the set!
@@brunodadivore9606
I was a passionate synth collector...but after testing tons of softsynths I lost my interest a bit, I went back to playing guitar. I still have some old synths left, they sound very well. (Yamaha AN1X, Korg Radias)
The most interesting thing is the Wavestate but I don't have an immediate urge to buy, lol.
More impressed with your walk through than the actual product. If Kronos was Korg’s legs they would certainly be running a marathon. I’m good with it because at least there is no gas to contend with. I can stay focused on more innovative products.
I hope they release an updated OS with this refreshed interface for the Kronos.
that woudl be awesome but I doubt it because the hardware is from the mid 2000's
Even though Yamaha montage has great interface but extremely complex, I think Roland fantom is best of the both worlds.
You'd have no reason to buy the Nautilus, then.
You get a like for opening with Queen...
this is like controlling protools with a DX7
Or a 2011 samsung phone lol
something against te DX7 ? !
@@brunodadivore9606 Try Arturia's DX7 plugin & compare it to the original UI of DX7...
@@jehwoh yes i have all the Arturia suite. DX7 plug in is really nice, much easier to program than the real DX7. But now I stopped using, cause MODX is much greater and easier to sound design
@@brunodadivore9606 I LOVE the MODX. It's going to be hard to beat, let's see Roland's answer to the Flagship "takedown/mid tier" workstation.
The Queen intro music is a nice touch!
I have owned an 88-key Kronos 2 for 3 years where it’s remained the centerpiece of my studio. Aftertouch I’ve really only used while plugging lighter action external keybeds into it (MIDI/USB) due to the heavy piano hammer action. Karma is something I’ve lightly tapped into but enjoy having as a weighty option. Amazing sounds, however I feel the biggest limitation of both is still using the 32-bit architecture and it’s 4GB memory ceiling.
I have such a love/hate relationship with my Kronos 2. I had the Oasys as well. The complexity gets in the way of creativity for me. But Kronos sounds amazing across the 9 engines. I sequence my Kronos externally and I use the great arp patterns as a starting point. Karma has been a mystery to me for a decade and still is. The board and controllers are fab. I have only scraped the surface with Oasys/Kronos alas.
i disagree with the sound of the Kronos series, the Yamaha Motif and the Roland Fantom series sound better, go check by yourself
This Keyboard looks to be a beast for sure.
Nautilus does seem to be a very Apt name though, as it looks like you're going to have to do some very deep 'Menu Diving' to get to where you want to be.
This coupled with a smaller screen must surely make for some frustration, and cursing..
Great detailed upload!
Inthink Nautilus is a great instrument. Its core sound is a kronos. It would be enough for many enthusiasts. What i am actually waiting for is a new kronos. You know they are making it but keeping it under wraps. If i werevto recommend improvements for a new kronos, they would be adding a larger hardrive, add more ram memory for samples and definitely add more synthesis engines besides the nine presently offered. This would require it to have a quicker or more advanced cpu right.? Korg is an amazing company. I still have the Triton classic. It has great programming tools. Until thisvday in music it is still viable. But yes i cant wait.
Thanks for the video. Part of the reason I liked the KARMA function is that it is helpful for creating beautiful spacious pads. But, of coarse, it is complicated. I probably understand about 50% of it. So what do you guys think>? Will the lack of KARMA make it more difficult to create beautiful PADS?
I've never used Karma but it seems like it's more for rhythmic patterns as opposed to pads
@@loopop Thanks. Yes Karma is very versatile and sometimes complicated patterns.
6:25 „I find fingers just fine - they come in HANDY“😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
2 ARPs and a drum track...this started like 15 yrs back with the M50. And now ladies and gentle man, KORG presents......oh almost the same concept.
Anyone who can manage create a professional sounding user ARP pattern using this keyboard should be nominated for the OSCARs.
The Triton had this back in the day plus an extremely nice Yamaha keyboard with aftertouch and built like a tank - it does seem like one step forward two steps back with modern workstations, and for this price it’s ridiculous. Maybe there just isn’t the market there used to be?
I'm still playing my M50-88. I use it with Cakewalk, Kontakt 7, Komplete 14 standard. It's really way more than I'll ever need. But I'm getting an inch to upgrade my keyboard and I'm totally confused on which way to go. I'm not into creating my own sounds, but I do want one with the arp/drum track. This nautilus is over kill for me but I still like it. Been looking at the Studiologic keyboards. I could use someone like the OP to help me wade through the choices.
I bought the Kronos 1 year ago and don´t regret. Karma is important for me, especially the small joystick. The bigger touchscreen is also much better. I would say - if you are buying Nautilus just for the Korg sounds - go for it. If you need to use the powerful Kronos sequencer, forget it. Additionally, more knobs and buttons etc are a big advantage for me when creating complex compositions or for live performance. Kronos is a kind of an old-school beast for more complex compositions. You can work dawless if you want. In this case, the bigger screen is much better. I am sure many people just liked the sounds and the synth of the Kronos - in this case Nautilus is a great choice.
Now the Kronos has "big screen". Ten years ago it had "small screen" while it was compared to OASYS.
6:27 Loopop with the finger recommandation. They do come in handy! (Oh my god, was that a pun? I just realized it.)
yes yes my attempt to entertain with dad jokes
that's EXACTLY the montage touchscreen. i bet they use the exact same manufacturer/supplier! :-D
No one does it better, Loopop is back
Is it not weird for an expensive synth in 2020 to not have aftertouch?
It's definitely weird for anything to have a resistive touch screen in the last 10 years 🤦♂️🤦♀️
At this point "Aftertouch" is just a term people whine about whether they know what it is or even really use it.
@@187onasimp no, just no.
Who exactly do you think is buying flagship synths? toddlers? Bedroom beginners? We know what AT is because we are industry professionals who do the job as a career. We know precisely what it does, what boards are best for it and whether or not we need it - or an artist we work with does. Korg are known for their synth specialization. Rather than Piano or Organ like team red, or Yamaha. Thus; people expecting it from korg is not surprising. That they released a limited amount of Prologues with it. And made sure that the current little 3 octave toys and be used with it - should reinforce the point.
Again, this is our career focus. Don't generalize with people you don't know.
I just don't get Korg, what is their Obsession with scaled down Kronos's,
KROSS
KROME
KROME EX
KRONOS LS
i3
And now Nautilus
Don't even care what they call it
Kronos 3, Kronos the Sequel, Kronos Unleashed.
Can We just have it before the turn of the Century.
Its definitely not cutting edge tec
@@shadowbanned5164 I agree. But then, no aftertouch. That could have been the frosting on top of the Wavestate cake!
Well said! It seems two strategical teams at Korg. One for flagships and workstations where they seem lost in what to do to take the Yamaha, Nord and Roland train. And a second one for synths Volca, Log serie , Wavestate, OPSIX bringing something new to the world
Robert Belknap they found out that they did make a perfect machine The Kronos. Now they have to downgrade otherwise they cant ever sell synths anymore
Agreed its very disappointing.
Korg needs to move pass kronos to a full 64bit monster that has the latest tech.
I am sure at these prices they can do it.
Just put a mac mini in it that's 16gb ram 2 thunderbolt ports 512 ssd under $1000.
IPad for control 3gb ram 32 storage excellent touch screen for control
A pro quality 88 key controller faders pads pedal inputs midi audio in and out USB etc.
Komplete software logic software garage band other editing apps.
Way less than $3000.
Now put that all together in a nice looking 61 73 88 key keyboard.
This is what we want.
Then make lower end consumer versions the next year.
Karma for me was the icing on the cake, and with all the controls missing, the lesser screen, i would spend the extra buck for the Kronos
100% this is useless. Either a Kronos or other options like the Yamaha...
@@andersjeppsson8499 I disagree. And I don't think Yamaha or other manufacturers has Karma on they keyboards either.
Karma is a special piece of kit indeed. No not everyone needs it, or understands it. But those who do - won't be without it. It's a simple enough distinction. Yamaha and Roland et al exist primarily in other areas. Korg is the synth King in regards to their net direction. They have some of the best sampling and experimental engineering in the business. So keep in mind who you are dealing with.
Neh.... I will just save up and get a Kronos....😎
I had a Nautilus on order but switched and bought a Kronos. I'm intrigued with Karma. The HD1 samples on Nautilus probably will be available at some point or similar available. The bigger display and all the panel controls, aftertouch, seems worth price difference of $700 at least before Kronos reverts back to normal price on Jan 1st.
I'm back to playing again after decades layoff following neck surgery. Wanted the best available workstation at moment. Nautilus very tempting though ... even more when price difference goes back to, $1,200 not $700.
@@alanrt63 Agreed! And congrats on getting the Kronos. Worth it🎹✌️
Not a big difference in price here in Europe between both...the Kronos still blows the Nautilus out of the water...
Did Korg peak 15 years ago when they released the OASYS? My 76 key version has HD-1, EXs-2 (pianos), AL-1, CX-3, STR-1, LAC-1 (PolySix & MS-20), MOD-7 plus KARMA and aftertouch... Putting it in a different case and changing its name every few years seems to be all they've done since.
Honestly, Georgina, who cares? NO ONE has been able to even remotely touch the OASYS, KRONOS, and now NAUTILUS in ANY product released in the last 15 years, in ANY capacity whatsoever.
The mere fact that KRONOS EXCEEDS my beloved OASYS of the last 12-13 YEARS with 2 Synth Engines, DAW Integration, and a LOT of new features and sounds that I can't get on my OASYS speaks volumes of what Korg has accomplished.
I do agree that 2005 was their peak and everything since then has been repackaged with 6 different KRONOS variations since 2011, and the outstanding HD-1 engine trickling down to the KROME and SV-2 as EDS-X, and now ALL 9 synth engines coming to an insane price point with the NAUTILUS, without the control surface and a simpler front panel, but again, WHO CARES?
I honestly wish they had come out with the NAUTILUS A LOT sooner, because KARMA is a royal pain in the ass to use and the mere fact that you have to use a computer JUST to edit and create patterns is ridiculous! Using a DAW is one thing and I LOVE Logic. But given that 90% of the time I'm using my keyboards and actually sequencing on them stand alone and I can't create patterns on a synth that has a sound and feature set I have never seen in ANY other product prior to the OASYS is quite infuriating. NAUTILUS truly is a dream come true for me and I LOVE how much they have updated the interface.
There isn't anything wrong with the engines. There is nothing new under the sun. Just better UI and approach. The little Korg boards are them messing with advancement. Trialing new blends with FM. Waves and on. These workstations on the other hand are bread and butter Korgs. A much smaller company than the others. The Nautilus is a tide over, while the world is uncertain. You'll get a new flagship when its possible to even deliver one. Hence many other flagship ranges have recently been discontinued and they are on with the VST (no physical components required). There certainly has been some complacency over the years due to the overall lack of demand and advancement. But things age. The engines will be given new life and UI no doubt. All in good time. They like to let the other brands tip their hands to the market first. Since NAMM is put back until summer, wait for that.
"I have no idea whats going on here" . 24 mins. How many Kronos users have said that?
Great vid as usual. Quite helpful to me as a longtime Kronos misuser.
For that price... HOW can they get away with it? I know its MSRP and will probably drop but I get so much more out of my MODX7 and got it open box for $1199. Best synth/workstation I've ever used (so far). I wouldn't mind one of the new Fantoms someday, but they are also expensive.
I’m so disappointed, I was expecting way more than that :(
No aftertouch over $2000, Yamaha did the same with the modx.
I am surprised.
I really expected a huge upgrade to a workstation in 2020.
Thunderbolt 4 usb4 1 to 4 TB nvme ssd upgrade slots 64 bit Linux os 64-128 MB ram upgrade.
templates for the latest daws
Or a custom daw.
Much better touchscreen..hdmi out for touch mouse and keyboard.
Faders drum pads editing buttons?
I do appreciate the 16 audio tracks sampling and audio in .
Basically today this should be capable of running kontact komplete and 64 tracks audio other efx and instrument plugins without the need for a computer.
I mean a $699 mac mini or 6 or 8 core pc will run circles around this with komplete and cubase or logic or reaper or reason or live.
Add an aftertouch keyboard with pads faders etc.
One day someone will make that all in one system.
We can only hope!
I have a Kronos and I would miss Karma. There's lots of cool stuff you can do with it. As far as the tabs go I like the two rows on the Kronos as opposed to the page layout.
Can you also program fixed notes sequences with the arp editor? I mean play a notes sequence with just one key which then is transposed over the keyboard? If so how this be done? Thanks.
Kronoa2 is king i've tried both the kronos and the natilus in live and studio situations and i'd say i'd pick the kronos over any other workstations, also karma and aftertouch are a must
I was saving up for a MODX, and I never thought I would see Korg playing the MODX card. It is a very interesting time to be buying synths. I wonder if Roland will do the same.
This is now such an interesting category since the Yamaha MODX doesn't have a virtual analogue engine.
EDIT: After seeing the price, I don't know if Korg is trying to be in the midrange market or creating an alternative option for Kronos owners.
This one doesn't have an analog engine, it's all digital... It's a VA (virtual analog). I'm a MODX6 owner and I'd buy the MODX again. One of the biggest advantages is how the audio interface works.
True, but you'd be surprised how 'analogue' both AWM2 and FMX engines on the MODX can sound, especially with some of the third party libraries out there.
@@gautrstafr Mistake on my part, early hours here, you're right I meant to say VA.
The audio interface on the Nautilus is a little bit bizarre. It has 4 outs, and yet 2 USB channels, IMO this would be a perfect option for Mainstage users because of the potentially assignable outs.
You're absolutely in the right. Yamaha seems the only historical one -with Behringer and now ASM and Modal- to understand the market. Price wise but also the quality of the interface and the care how they build the workflow. Discussing with part of Yamaha team, I am not surprised as I am convinced their culture of listening customers experience is so anchored at the firm. At the Nautilus price level, by far more expensive than the MODX, and staying in the workstation segment, Roland Fantom appears to me very attractive.
@@AynsleyGreen Yes! Have one MODX and it is pleasure all days long, never shorted in creativity with it. When you are not professional MODX choice seems obvious @ that budget as a workstation AND a fantastic FM synth. Are you talking about Easysounds ? Which have you and would recommend?
I was pretty disapointed when I noticed the extra 15" screen wasn't real..
LOL! I thought the same thing. I had to do a double take.
Um well.. I didn't do a double take.. I spent 15 minutes on google trying to find the monitor or some hack before I saw these comments... dum dum dum dum dum
Genuinely don't mind a resistive touchscreen. I live in an area that's horribly humid most of the time and my hands sweat terribly. Capacitive touchscreens are not my friend.
29:51 It's good to know that Korg's priests performed whatever ritual put the ghosts into Kronos, too. I have a track/jam called We Are where the Kronos kept changing drum kits on me... but with better taste and timing than I would have. The screen was open to the "select by category" pop-up for drum kits, and I could see each new drum kit highlighted as it changed. That sort of thing happened a few times. Since yesterday, it won't stay on for very long. A lighter weight version would be great, but I have so much fun with karma. If the step sequencers were like 64 steps each of the Volca Drum step sequencer, then that would be very useful, very tempting. After watching most of this video as a refresher- I'd miss too much from the Kronos, though. Someone else probably wouldn't. That settles it.. I need to get mine fixed.
I welcome the Nautilus. Because i prefer Arp/Drum Editor over the Karma.
Four different drum parts in one program offers the possiblity for drumfills etc. Exactly that's the only thing i've missed in great Kronos. Thanks Korg
Hoping the new features get into kronos with an update, but karma is way more well... more, and the added sliders are very usefull for realtime use. Oh, and no aftertouch? That's a no deal for me...
That screen would drive me bonkers!
I really think this is the new Krome, only called Nautilus. For the 61 key version if the price cones down to $1749 then I could see this being a solid buy. Yes, minimal and clean front panel like an old M1 but with 9 sound engines, sampling, audio rec, sequencing and a more practical arpeggiator vs Karma, this becomes a vastly scaled up Krome. Can be great for sound design, work with your DAW (since it can hook to MIDI controllers, and you can take your samples from various libraries with you for live performance. $2000 might be a little steep for this now but I expect the price to come down.
I have this feeling Krome will be phased out with this on the market now. I can see them ramping up the power in Kross, and my feeling is the new Kronos (or whatever they call it) is going to break some new ground. Perhaps updates of the 9 sound engines you see here. Not sure if Karma will continue. I'm hoping for more of an Ableton or FL Studio type sequencer for MIDI and Audio and perhaps more realistic orchestral sound libraries similar to East West, Cinesamples, VSL, Spitfire, etc. With the right audio interface and thunderbolt support this would allow professional scoring without having to run lots of VST plugs in the computer that eat up ram and often require using multiple computers. If the sample architecture was open enough that we could actually load something like EW Symphonic Orchestra Gold or Platinum on the board with everything locking to the DAW (or work stand alone on the synth) that would be very cool.
I've tested a lot of keyboards and to me this was one of the most well balanced workstations, which can allow the user to play practically any genre. The only keyboard I would consider buying under $2000 is the Roland FA06.
just saw it announced on thomann, googled loopop nautiles and now I'm here.
does this keyboard include the "legendary" programs that come with the Kronos? I mean those sounds that replicate the instruments of some classic pop songs (Imagine, Supertramp, Journey, Beatles, etc)?
Surprising that there's no aftertouch on a workstation like this
Especially since this will be the flagship vs the Krome replacement.
@@johnnyparker2128 Kronos is still the flagship
Thanks for the comparison! I like the simple arpeggiator. Karma is very complex and most of the time to big for my use.
Someone help me understand why we would want to send only two channels over USB? I see this as a perfect keyboard for Mainstage because there are 4 assignable outs, but it sounds like those 4 assignable outputs aren't exposed to your computer (which would make it even more compelling IMO).
Still love my Kronos. I would really miss the sliders which I use primarily as drawbars. I usually use aftertouch to open up the filters which is very expressive. I have the expanded software for Karma but I never really got into it. I use the Kronos mainly in a live band setting so Karma, arpegiators and sequencers are not anything I would use on a regular basis. I rarely use the vector joystick or the ribbon. Never got into making sounds with MOD7 or STR-1.
To me, the Nautilus is a step backward. I wish they had expanded on the Kronos technology. A newer motherboard with a lot more RAM and faster boot time would be a great start. The Vox and Farfisa engines from the Korg Vox Continental would be welcome as well as some additional engines such as a string machine, more synthesizer emulations and some acoustic instrument engines (ie. strings and brass). Polyphonic aftertouch, an external monitor output and a large ribbon above the keyboard would be great. Also bringing back some of the Oasys features like the lighted controls and the drum pads.
Korg.. just give us a Kronos rack (or even better.. desktop) already. Something we can tour with AND use in the studio.
I have a Nautilus 88 and am still getting use to it.. I owned an OASYS and Kronos 88, so am giving the Nautilus a chance as the main board of my rig.. I wasn't a big user of Karma, never quite figured it out so wasn't a loss in the Nautilus, the sliders are a big issue but can purchase NANO Control 2 and that will fix that issue.. The Nautilus is definitely powerful in it's own right with newer sounds etc. I am not a fan of this screen since my MODX is more touch screen than the Korg. The organs on the Naut are great, but I am still using my Nord Electro 2 - 73 for organ parts.. Whether or not I keep the Korg is going to come down to performance and usability in live settings.. Using Set List is great for notes and is like it's predecessors for the gigging player.. Korg needs to really do something with the power of the machine, or should I say lack of power.. Boot time is terrible, lag in the screens is terrible, 3GB of RAM is total not acceptable, and the 60GB SSD drive is fair, but could be larger.. In today's technology there should be no problems with latency or polyphony and I haven't researched the processor in the Nautilus as of yet, but that is on my to do list.. Now I am going to work on iPad connection and using it with the rig like the MODX does.. Take care all and thank you for reading......
Hi, It has a Korg Krome dising, I did not like that they removed the faders, in mya case I use them a lot for the combination of live tones. The option I see is tu use a pedal, but I feel taht it would be very complicated and uncomfortable, one rule, you pay attention to what you interpret or yuo look at the screen to select the correct option without your finger moving to the wrong place. Presonally, I Stay with KRONOS, I will wait for the next model after the Nautilus
Я в Yamaha Modx7+ использую педаль для управления СуперКнопкой - очень и очень удобно!
I have a 1st gen 73 key Kronos. The Nautilus looks like a great step backwards.
I agree. I bought the Kronos X 88 back in 2013. Glad I did. Still learning new things even in 2023-24. 😊
It's not. I had a Kronos 2, remember.. this can produce all of the sounds, every single sound that you can get out of Kronos. It has actually more HD-1 samples than Kronos.
It's also half the price of a new Kronos.
Not really excited to see a new workstation, but I am excited to see your upcoming Korg opsix video. ;)
Great review as usual! 👍appreciate you!
Thanks for the review.
I'm still more than happy with my old Oasys 76 from 2006: much more realtime controls, tiltable 10" screen, keys with aftertouch ...
but I'd really looking forward to an instrumt fusion between Kronos and PA4X ...
A Kronos with onboard speakers would be great! I would also really like piano action in a 61 key.....but I am a pianist so I'm biased.
So these are the brains of a Kronos in the body of a Krome. It's interesting to note that Karma seems to be the main victim here software-wise. Karma has some issues: 1) it's extremely powerful and as such it takes time to master it, it s like a giant Sudoku inside the Kronos 2) although you can configure and tweak thousands (millions?) of parameters, you cant really edit the patterns unless you use the special Karma for Korg Kronos software and 3) the Karma license probably adds some cost to the instrument. Its a pity that Korg and Karma Labs seem to have parted ways :(
The new arpeggiator and drum editing capabilities are nice and as you stated more accessible.
Minor technical point, if it's like the Kronos, in Combi mode the "channels" are known as "timbres". Helps alleviate confusing them with MIDI channels. On a workstation as deep as this, nomenclature precision is a must.
In general I totally agree - I just couldn't get with the timbre program since it's frequently used for something different on every other instrument. I don't think I use the term channel though? I mainly called it tracks (and I agree that technically tracks are for the sequencer and timbres are for combis)
@@loopop understood. I'm on the Korg Forums constantly and getting and giving help on the Kronos can be challenging. I use KARMA minimally. I've found making adjustments on the control surface is almost intuitive. Digging in deeper is challenging. I've used the Sequencer a bit. The more you use it, the easier it becomes, but it's a bit fiddly. Event editing is a good tool when you select the right track! Thanks for the overview. The community had this as a "leak" just days ago. I'm waiting for the Kronos successor.
So much to like, but than again: a resistive touchscreen in 2020? (At least it's touch.) I'm more curious about the quality of the keybed. I've read plenty of reviews that burns the keybed on the MODX down, so I'm somewhat hesitant to even consider a trimmed down instrument. But one can really tell after a decent amount of usage how the keybed is holding up. So, for now, like the MODX, I stay away from this one.
I guess Korg wanted to save the royalties for Karma, so it hasn't been used in the keyboards since the Krome. Karma is available in 4 keyboards: The Karma Workstation, The Oasys, the M3 and the Kronos. With the M50 you could still use Karma if it ran on an extra PC.
How does the keybed feel? Anything like the Trinity and Triton or Motif? Or disappointingly cheap like a $50 Casio or the god awful MODX?
Thanks for giving honest review
It just dawned on me that Korg may have decided to alter the Montage to MODX model by introducing a light version of the Kronos then release a complete ground up replacement for the Kronos. Hmmmmm?
MODX gets the Montage engine at budget price, what they did successfully. I have one MODX, great understanding from Yamaha from the musicians' needs.
That's exactly what I was thinking! it would be nice to have a new Kronos in 2021.
They did better doing a real kronos rack, instead of another striped down version similar to the previous version just with 2 knobs more.
indeed, my thoughts exactly - I've long lusted after a Kronos but have no space
Facts
Exactly my thoughts. Been waiting for a Kronos rack for a while now…
Its seems that Korg released a product to compete more with Yamaha’s MODX-series.
Obviously. And obviously they failed: the MODX’ value for money ratio is still unsurpassed.
@@RayyMusik MODX/88 $1999 US at Sweetwater, Nautilus 73 $2399. No contest. I'll take the MODX.
There isn't even an 88 key Nautilus, at least not on sweetwater yet.
@@WarrenPostma Nautilus 88 keys is announced $3300 US here in France ...
@@brunodadivore9606 Mon dieu!
@@brunodadivore9606 That's a brutally expensive price for NO AFTER TOUCH, no expression strip, and no karma, though.
Do you think it will even sell?
If it was a rackmount Kronos I might be interested.. as it is why wouldn't I just get a used Kronos if I cared about the 30%? Price differential more like Montage to MODX may have made more sense, too
I guess Korg is trying to compete with the Yamaha Modx. I think they should have just made a tabletop or rack unit. This gives you a good amount of features for the price but I pray a Kronos 3 is around the corner with more juice and a updated screen.
Hello, I'm just starting with the Korg company (previously Roland Fantom G and Yamaha Tyros 3,4). Currently, I have the Korg PA5X, which, for me, is intuitive-I managed it without using the manual. I'm considering purchasing the Nautilus. The question is, can you record vocals directly onto audio tracks using a microphone on the Nautilus, then combine it with a MIDI track, save it, and play back the complete recorded song (the whole song)?
great upload loopop, very informative and enjoyable! congrats :)
Thanks! Likewise I just finished watching yours and loved it! Certainly a lot of timbral exploration to be had with this one...
A kind of the legendary M1 look.Smart!
Hello Sir, I am looking for a KRONOS but I am curious about when they will release a new version? In KORG's case, it may take a while and probably they come up with a whole new thing. Buying the KORG OASYS would be a "Joker" possibility. The foldable screen is very helpful especially for myopic people like I am. Is there a possibility of connecting an external screen to KRONOS? What's your opinion?
Thanks for your highly skilled work! SUPER!
I wonder what stopped them from using korg gadget as an OS.
I always try to be positive about new instruments, but it's tough with this one. It looks like a pretty sweaty attempt to wring a few more bucks out of Kronos tech, and 10 years too late. At least it was only a couple years from Montage to MODX, and a bigger price jump as well.
Is having an internal Hard Drive kind of counter productive? The only reason I ask is that with my Triton classic I lost all my data when the external HD failed. I now have a SCSI2SD drive on the SCSI port so I can easily transfer data for backing up. Would it not have been easier to have something similar for the NAUTILUS?
Some good sounds in there but I will stick with my MODX7. I really think Korg shrinked Nautilus a bit too much.. Resistive touch screen, way to less hands on control, still limited in the RAM sector..
Don't get me wrong, I like Korg and I love my Wavestation but I think you better get a MODX and a Behringer K1 for half the price of the Nautilus..
MODX7 cannot samples or have audio recording in sequence mode I HATE the keybed of MODX7
"Who are you and what did you do to Korg?"
No Ribbon I use mine heavily
No Aftertouch I use mine
Less Knobs I use mine organ
Karma I uee the loaded sets
And what designers made
No plug in nonstudio
I've used a Kronos live for 15 years or so. This seems like a great replacement for less money (especially since my Kronos is showing its age). Karma is cool, but I think I've used it a couple of times as a novelty. The Nautilus arp seems way less complex and ultimately more useful.
No after touch though. Ugh!
The kronos came out in 2011 so how have you been using it for 15 years when it only been out 11 years. Lol
Simple! I’m terrible at math! Ha!
Great review. I think a Kronos is a better option for me.
When I first saw the Nautilus I thought "Have they finally built something new?!" - but when I started reading I realized that I was still stuck with my Kronos'. I have two, both the X73 and the SE88 - and I have to say, it's an amazing keyboard, but it's incredibly outdated technology. The Nautilus had me hyped for about 5 minutes, until I read about it. So I guess I'll be spending my money on other gear, as opposed to keyboards - right now.
If i was just starting out, i would want this. However, i already have enough korg to twist my little mind for years to come.
Hey Loopop! Great rev. Sweetwater talks about the keybed: ”Korg has developed a new Light-Touch keyboard that facilitates smooth glissandos and lightning-fast synth solos.” What’s you’re opinion on the quality or feel of the Nautilus Keybed (Wavestate? Modx? Novation SLMK3? Best Regards /Mack
They’re all synth/light action. I would say Nautilus and SLMK3 feel better than Wavestate and MODX
@@loopop 👍
@@loopop SL MK2 keybed is way better then MK3