Really great job! I'm curious how the glissando effect at 2:04 is achieved. Is it only by lipping? Or should it be combined with the half-valve technique? Thanks!
As a composer interested in writing for the horn, I really appreciated this video. However, I do have a couple questions about multiphonics. When one is composing a piece for horn (or any brass instrument for that matter) that involves multiphonics, can they specify which part is to be sung and which part is to be played? Also, should they make the part that is to be sung in a neutral range so that it will be in the singing range of most horn players?
Weston Gilbert Yes, you should definitely specify which is to be sung by using smaller noteheads or similar. It could be below or above the horn pitch. Some people will be able to sing it convincingly, some won't. Because male and female often differ greatly, the only "safe" range might be above the horn's written C5, where women's voice would be pretty strong and men could use falsetto (if they are used to doing so), with a "safe" tessitura of an octave. But that's just my best guess from experience. Good luck!
Can this be achieved instanteously, or does it require you play into it slowly depressing the valve? Also, presumably you could simply sustain the multiphonic timbre once you get to it with the valve?
Nice video! I was wondering, what is the best way to indicate to a player in a score the loud breathing technique? Would it be a written instruction and if so, is there a simple way to say what to do?
Great video!! Really brilliant! How long can the "shake" sound (at 6:12) be sustained at mf-f range and at high register (without circular breathing)? Thanks
Thanks for your prompt reply. Another question...What are the techiques at 7:00 & 7:10 called? Could you describe them some more in detail. Thanks again.
Were you that kid in high school band that drove your band teacher to alcoholism? The horn is taken way too seriously. Though, you've proven that it's a seriously versatile instrument. Even good for comedy. Thanks!
Respect for you, man! :-) Congratulation, very useful video. Can you please specify what are you filling in the embouchure at 8'30". The speech is not very clear on that moment and I like a lot the "el.gruitar-like" horn. Best! MaurilioCacciatore
Hi, thanks for posting this, it's very useful! What's the technique with the first valve half depressed at 1:04 called? And, did you play vibrato in the normal way in your demonstration of it?
For a beginner horn player, or just beginner for extended techniques? Or both? I also not aware of any beginning horn videos, but I bet there are some. If there are any videos of Froydis Ree Wekre on youtube, I would rate her as on of the best speakers for covering fundamentals.
@theronlad1 1:04 is what I call Altissimophonics. It is a trick only some horn models can do. Just depress the 1st valve REALLY slowly while playing a C5 on the F side and you might hear a high octave C pop out. Perhaps you could investigate the physics of it?! The abnormally wide vibrato is produced either way. I fluctuate the air speed mostly, but use a lot of lip for the lower notes. Sometime a combination of both to get the most exaggeration.
Yeah sorry about that. I wasn't going to take it upon myself to invent notations for the techniques that have none already, mostly because I don't think they would be used widely enough to be effective. For everything else that might already be notated, people should consult sources like the Doug Hill ext. tech. book.
@riccalef80 Hey, yeah I would struggle greatly trying to circular breath while shaking, unless you paused or minimized the shake during the cheek-breathing phase... So, depends on your air support skills - which for me would probably last no more than 10 seconds max.
@chungkunhung It's not a standardized name, but I'd called them Sub-tones, as they can be "technically" below the hearing threshold. You mash the rim of the mouthpiece against the inside of your cheek so it covers the opening completely, then seal your lips and blow, forcing the air into the horn and thereby creating a vibration against the tension in the cheek membrane. Good luck!
Sing at the same time you play (they can be done in one simultaneous exhale). You can practice off the horn by making motorboat sounds. The only step up to doing it on the horn is keeping a tight buzz while also engaging the vocal chords. Some poeple find it hurts their throat, though that can usually be avoided if you find the best projecting vocal range for you. It can take anywhere from an hour to a few weeks or more to get it, depending on how you approach it and how committed you are.
@chungkunhung Nope, only by lipping. If I remember, C3 to C2 is not too hard if you go reaaally slow and pump a lot of air into the slur. I think that's what's demonstrated in the video...
Few if anyone would figure out what some arbitrary symbol for that would mean without a page of explanation, so best to attach a page of explanation to the score and use any arbitrary symbol you like.
@theronlad1 It can be instantaneous with practice, once you develop some muscle memory for the right spot - assuming you horn can even do to phenomenon.... yes it will sustain just fine!
Whew... no, that is a really hard one to describe easily, because the mouthpiece has to be a very specific distance from the cupped hand or lead-pipe to get the loudest volume. You might experiment to find the optimal distance and then literally say "blow forcefully into mouthpiece stem with rim ... centimeters from ...". Hardly concise, but that's the best I can think of without resorting to a little diagram.
I wish I knew. But to do it in-tune is only necessary for "serious" music. So, to get the jist, shove your hand in the bell like a cork, pull it out barely a few centimeters, and then keeping the backs of the fingers flat and tight against the metal, rotate the palm inward so your hand is like a cup and the palm cuts of as much of the opening as possible. I feel like girl hands are better on average but that could be bullshit. Oh yeah, then transpose down a half step and don't use the trigger
That's factitious tones, as in "not real" tones. In the low register, you can lip things down a whole lot, though it takes a little extra control. It dates back to the natural horn, as in the Beethoven Sonata.
@Hornzebra Hi, if anyone is interested: The effect gets more "watery" with more valves depressed. I've made some recordings with Markus Maskuniitty, I can send them to anyone who is interested. You can also find this effect in the hornsolo in Messiaens "Des Canyons aux Étoiles". He compares it to a howling dog. I've also composed a piece in which some of these techniques are used (thanks for this video!). You can have a recording and the score if you like. Philipp Sobecki
Oh my god. This was amazing.
this is by far the best video i have come across in youtube...
Really great job! I'm curious how the glissando effect at 2:04 is achieved. Is it only by lipping? Or should it be combined with the half-valve technique? Thanks!
As a composer interested in writing for the horn, I really appreciated this video. However, I do have a couple questions about multiphonics. When one is composing a piece for horn (or any brass instrument for that matter) that involves multiphonics, can they specify which part is to be sung and which part is to be played? Also, should they make the part that is to be sung in a neutral range so that it will be in the singing range of most horn players?
Weston Gilbert Yes, you should definitely specify which is to be sung by using smaller noteheads or similar. It could be below or above the horn pitch. Some people will be able to sing it convincingly, some won't. Because male and female often differ greatly, the only "safe" range might be above the horn's written C5, where women's voice would be pretty strong and men could use falsetto (if they are used to doing so), with a "safe" tessitura of an octave. But that's just my best guess from experience. Good luck!
Awesome. Thanks for the help.
This video is gold in so many levels, you should do others of them. :D
Was really nice to listen you play... both for listeting and for watching also! verry funny!
I would be interested. Would love to use this in a piece I'm writing.
thanks a lot!! i am just working on a piece for a french horn player from germany...keep in touch and good luck with your projetcs!
huy brother is super, I would like to see as written, the score got out there?
Hi there, congrats for your video! what is the name for the 2.09 technique, with the low register? thanks a lot!
Can this be achieved instanteously, or does it require you play into it slowly depressing the valve? Also, presumably you could simply sustain the multiphonic timbre once you get to it with the valve?
Nice video! I was wondering, what is the best way to indicate to a player in a score the loud breathing technique? Would it be a written instruction and if so, is there a simple way to say what to do?
Great video!! Really brilliant! How long can the "shake" sound (at 6:12) be sustained at mf-f range and at high register (without circular breathing)?
Thanks
Brilliant Danny! Keep up the good work.
Thanks for your prompt reply. Another question...What are the techiques at 7:00 & 7:10 called? Could you describe them some more in detail. Thanks again.
Were you that kid in high school band that drove your band teacher to alcoholism? The horn is taken way too seriously. Though, you've proven that it's a seriously versatile instrument. Even good for comedy. Thanks!
+Jason Gabler Band director was my mother. Hope not...
Thanks - fantastic resource.
That was amazing! Make more, I beg of you. I want to know how to do this stuff on my horn! haha
Genius! Master!!! Excellent
ever thought about explaining how to do each one? i mean, some of them r obvious, like the straw but some of them need some explaining..... thx
Respect for you, man! :-) Congratulation, very useful video. Can you please specify what are you filling in the embouchure at 8'30". The speech is not very clear on that moment and I like a lot the "el.gruitar-like" horn. Best! MaurilioCacciatore
+Maurilio Cacciatore at 8:30 I start using a straw reed. It is a drinking straw with a triangle-shaped cut on one end (diagram:
you are amazing, thank you so much for your video
perfect!!! :D
Hi, thanks for posting this, it's very useful! What's the technique with the first valve half depressed at 1:04 called? And, did you play vibrato in the normal way in your demonstration of it?
we need notation to go with these
Hey again, would the air breathing technique work for other brass instruments?
For a beginner horn player, or just beginner for extended techniques? Or both? I also not aware of any beginning horn videos, but I bet there are some. If there are any videos of Froydis Ree Wekre on youtube, I would rate her as on of the best speakers for covering fundamentals.
I don't now how I cam across this but thanks Dani!
@theronlad1 1:04 is what I call Altissimophonics. It is a trick only some horn models can do. Just depress the 1st valve REALLY slowly while playing a C5 on the F side and you might hear a high octave C pop out. Perhaps you could investigate the physics of it?! The abnormally wide vibrato is produced either way. I fluctuate the air speed mostly, but use a lot of lip for the lower notes. Sometime a combination of both to get the most exaggeration.
Thank you very much. Excellent!
I feel very uncomfortable right now...
flippin' fantastic! This makes me want to play horn even more :)
you are ridiculous! haha. I love it.
Now, every horn player I write for is going to hate me for what I'm about to make them do...
thanks!
Awesome that's really helpful.
FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!
what kind of reed do you use at 8:33 ?
If you have given the notations/symbols for these effects in a score and which ranges these things can be done, it would have been infinitely helpful.
Yeah sorry about that. I wasn't going to take it upon myself to invent notations for the techniques that have none already, mostly because I don't think they would be used widely enough to be effective. For everything else that might already be notated, people should consult sources like the Doug Hill ext. tech. book.
haha fantastic! i gotta go try some of those :D
Thank you mate!
@riccalef80 Hey, yeah I would struggle greatly trying to circular breath while shaking, unless you paused or minimized the shake during the cheek-breathing phase... So, depends on your air support skills - which for me would probably last no more than 10 seconds max.
Thanks!
@chungkunhung It's not a standardized name, but I'd called them Sub-tones, as they can be "technically" below the hearing threshold. You mash the rim of the mouthpiece against the inside of your cheek so it covers the opening completely, then seal your lips and blow, forcing the air into the horn and thereby creating a vibration against the tension in the cheek membrane. Good luck!
I keep accidentally doing the "flutter phonics" thing where it sounds like a nasty growl. Someone please help
Sing at the same time you play (they can be done in one simultaneous exhale). You can practice off the horn by making motorboat sounds. The only step up to doing it on the horn is keeping a tight buzz while also engaging the vocal chords. Some poeple find it hurts their throat, though that can usually be avoided if you find the best projecting vocal range for you. It can take anywhere from an hour to a few weeks or more to get it, depending on how you approach it and how committed you are.
Yes - I never heard a larger improvement in the sound since I got tone blobs.
@chungkunhung Nope, only by lipping. If I remember, C3 to C2 is not too hard if you go reaaally slow and pump a lot of air into the slur. I think that's what's demonstrated in the video...
Few if anyone would figure out what some arbitrary symbol for that would mean without a page of explanation, so best to attach a page of explanation to the score and use any arbitrary symbol you like.
@teddystone510 glad to hear they'll be put to good use. my bell sounds better than ever!
Oh lawd, was the bell okay?
Why thank you!
Superb!!!
awesome!!
thank you! This helped a lot!
PS: I like you!! ;)
Haha, thank you, that is very kind.
@flutejory Haha you're welcome. Maybe one day it will go viral like @rebecca
super!!!
Yes, frequently.
great
@Lokicello merci beaucoup
@theronlad1 It can be instantaneous with practice, once you develop some muscle memory for the right spot - assuming you horn can even do to phenomenon.... yes it will sustain just fine!
Yeah, I'll try anything.
It's a straw reed, as in a drinking straw. Cut an acute triangle in the top of it to make a crude double-reed!
Sorry, I never made a score. Kind of impractical, but you're welcome to make one if you think it would get distributed and used.
Could you please make shorter videos where you introduce just one technique at a time. AND without the backup "music". I could only look 3 minutes.
@starwarsjunkie7777 yep, straight into the wall, as you can clearly see in the video...
Whew... no, that is a really hard one to describe easily, because the mouthpiece has to be a very specific distance from the cupped hand or lead-pipe to get the loudest volume. You might experiment to find the optimal distance and then literally say "blow forcefully into mouthpiece stem with rim ... centimeters from ...". Hardly concise, but that's the best I can think of without resorting to a little diagram.
"Never explain yourself. Your friends don’t need it and your enemies won’t believe it." - Belgicia Howell (ostensibly rationalizing mental laziness)
I wish I knew. But to do it in-tune is only necessary for "serious" music. So, to get the jist, shove your hand in the bell like a cork, pull it out barely a few centimeters, and then keeping the backs of the fingers flat and tight against the metal, rotate the palm inward so your hand is like a cup and the palm cuts of as much of the opening as possible. I feel like girl hands are better on average but that could be bullshit. Oh yeah, then transpose down a half step and don't use the trigger
That's factitious tones, as in "not real" tones. In the low register, you can lip things down a whole lot, though it takes a little extra control. It dates back to the natural horn, as in the Beethoven Sonata.
Anyone else find the background music to be that of a porn film?
@Hornzebra
Hi,
if anyone is interested:
The effect gets more "watery" with more valves depressed. I've made some recordings with Markus Maskuniitty, I can send them to anyone who is interested.
You can also find this effect in the hornsolo in Messiaens "Des Canyons aux Étoiles". He compares it to a howling dog.
I've also composed a piece in which some of these techniques are used (thanks for this video!). You can have a recording and the score if you like.
Philipp Sobecki
Dani hasn't changed a bit....
scary.....
Oh you're too kind...
Bruce Nolan
It was mostly for me, to give me a little bed of rice the throw the meat on, you know? It could be less weather-channelish, for sure.
Sure, if you're bonkers enough to ask you're ok by me.
OMG
OMG I WANNA BE FRIENDS WITH YOU LOL
me too.....lol!!!!
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you finger you instrument, UA-cam should mark it inappropriate (at least for the little kids)