Pocahontas - History Gone Wrong!

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  • Опубліковано 25 лис 2024

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  • @DerpyPossum
    @DerpyPossum 3 роки тому +137

    imagine if there was a movie studio that specialized in making movies that are actually accurate to their original source material.

    • @nobodycares4321
      @nobodycares4321 2 роки тому +7

      It would go under in a year because historically accurate movies generally tend to suck ass without some form of embellishment and a focal point or protagonist to connect to, which real life just doesn't usually have

    • @angelarice8418
      @angelarice8418 2 роки тому +1

      It would probably be banned for showing white people doing bad things

    • @churchofthelambofsat
      @churchofthelambofsat 2 роки тому +2

      There might be room for movies made entirely of original live footage, like a nature documentary.

    • @PUNISHERMHS_2021
      @PUNISHERMHS_2021 2 роки тому +1

      @@angelarice8418 It would probably go under for showing how brutal the natives of the New World were

    • @akindathompson5634
      @akindathompson5634 2 роки тому

      They would never do that cause the truth is a living flipping nightmare with unnecessary killings and Murders and that’s the truth and the facts

  • @MariahD16
    @MariahD16 2 роки тому +68

    This is so well done. As a Pamunkey, it makes me happy to see people doing the research and shedding light on the true and tragic story of Pocahontas. I don't think I've ever seen another review on these movies that went into such a deep dive as you did.
    That being said, I also don't think it's a bad thing if you enjoy these movies. Growing up, they were always my favorite, but my Momma (who is also Pamunkey) made sure I knew that what Disney was showing was completely inaccurate. She made sure to never hide the truth of what Pocahontas went through from me. There is nothing wrong with appreciating a movie like this as long as you recognize and respect the truth behind it. But Disney could have done much, much better. They could have taken inspiration from the stories of Pocahontas from John Smith's tales but made up a completely new cast instead of trying their hand at "historical fiction".

    • @BratzRockAngels
      @BratzRockAngels 2 роки тому +5

      I 100% agree. As someone who's black and indigenous, I love Pocahontas, and I especially loved it when I was younger for multiple reasons. But it's also important to distinguish Disney's Pocahontas and the real life Matoaka and her life. There's nothing wrong with finding the positives in the movie as long as you respectful towards the real life person and the culture and Natives.

  • @98953812
    @98953812 3 роки тому +76

    I often forget how bloody pre-American and early American history is. Holy shit....
    Especially for Pocahontas. God damn; what a trooper though. 👏👏

  • @WolfmanArt
    @WolfmanArt 3 роки тому +28

    I remember my grandfather taking me to Chief Powahatan's burial site whenever we went fishing...

  • @yogibear8683
    @yogibear8683 3 роки тому +39

    Back then Disney and other rip-off studios wanted to be "creative" with there own Ideas some we're still good, some questionable, and some that were way worse and were scrapped for obvious reason and you guys can always read the more accurate version but might wanna warn you some of you will be scared for life.

  • @juliabrand1547
    @juliabrand1547 3 роки тому +52

    Lord forbid Disney even dares to make a Live Action remake. Hunchback of Notre Dame is one thing, but Pocahontas has aged poorly.

    • @romanov3937
      @romanov3937 2 роки тому +8

      They probably will tho...Disney loves money.

    • @RogueT-Rex8468
      @RogueT-Rex8468 2 роки тому +5

      Oh they will eventually. But “attempt” to make it “accurate” and…. Mulan 2020 it.

    • @Uta_Chandra.H
      @Uta_Chandra.H 2 роки тому +2

      Honestly there's never been alot of movies about Native Americans since the late 90s. America carried too much guilt to touch that subject

  • @skysiren4113
    @skysiren4113 2 роки тому +18

    As a kid pocahontas was one of my favourite Disney films, but after learning about the story about the real pocahontas, I can't watch the movie without feeling uncomfortable and it's one of the few movies I just can't watch.
    Also I'm curious as more people are more aware of the real story, I wonder if disney will keep her in the disney princess line or remove her, it wouldn't shock me if they do

  • @GrandCorsair
    @GrandCorsair Рік тому +5

    Mulan also sets up her character at the start and we see her use her resourcefulness, determination and see her overcome her insecurities throughout the movie. Pocahontas barely keeps her character and feels like a prop more than even Snow White or Aurora (and she had the excuse of being asleep).

  • @sawyer6264
    @sawyer6264 4 місяці тому +2

    I saw a TikTok about a year or two ago about the Disney movie and it’s stuck with me since. It basically said that Pocahontas is like retelling the story of Anne Frank, but if you aged Anne up by a few years, made her dress provocatively, had her fall in love with a Nazi soldier, and then tried to convince us at the end that both the Nazis and the Jewish community were both at fault

  • @verylostdoommarauder
    @verylostdoommarauder 2 роки тому +14

    This movie is worse when you realize that there are plenty of native stories that would make great movies.

  • @silashurd3597
    @silashurd3597 Рік тому +3

    And Disney thought this would be more successful than the Lion King. What a huge 180!

  • @dante_0962
    @dante_0962 2 роки тому +5

    Only to add salt to injury they made John smith a blonde hair and blue eyes hero who explores new worlds and ends with the main girl.

  • @deadsllence1995
    @deadsllence1995 3 роки тому +39

    It blows that someone as courageous and peaceful as Pocahontas only lived for 21 years. I admire that she's been able to just...keep with the flow despite the pain and suffering. It's definitely not easy for anyone to do.
    There were definitely some things I didn't know, like Ratcliffe's death. Yikes. I'm surprised they didn't eat him. And that Pocahontas already had a baby girl. 👶🏽
    Really well put together research video! If I were to recommend something...maybe this isn't a "historical" thing but what about something The Hunchback of Notre Dame related? There's a bunch to go into with that subject. Like the different movies, the book, the characters who's left out the Disney movie, like Pierre, themes. Just a suggestion. But great video! I enjoyed it!

  • @homecruz7743
    @homecruz7743 3 роки тому +8

    Just around the Raisorblade beyond the shore!

  • @wadesprivatecorner5810
    @wadesprivatecorner5810 3 роки тому +10

    I have never seen Pocahontas but... given how disrespectfully distorted history is in this movie I fucking loathe it.

  • @Kingbeat1
    @Kingbeat1 2 роки тому +5

    John smith sounds like a super human with all of his achievements like how is that possible to do all of that.

  • @drewluczynski9609
    @drewluczynski9609 3 роки тому +32

    One thing that always puzzled me was why Pocahontas got such a negative reception when other animated movies that were about real life events (such as Anastasia and Balto) would be more enjoyed. I expected this video to give me an answer. And it did.
    To simply put things, this is a much more sensitive topic than the Russian Revolution. This is something that people have to suffer with to this day for whatever stupid reason. And Disney was also part of said offenders with Peter Pan, and possibly this.
    It’s stuff like this which make it really hard for people to separate the story as historical fiction.
    Though, even if you can (if you should is it’s on debate) Anastasia and Balto are better movies overall. At least that’s what I think, and I’m sure most of you think the same way.
    I want to end this comment on a question I asked myself after watching a similar review.
    Should the topic of colonization in movies be both sides, or should one side (namely the colonists) be portrayed as unsympathetic villains?

    • @SEGASister
      @SEGASister 3 роки тому +9

      Honestly, we’ve had too many, “both sides,” approaches, in which history is viewed with a rose-colored lens and we’re made to think, “Oh, so they got along so well! … then why the 👖side?”

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish 3 роки тому +5

      "To simply put things, this is a much more sensitive topic than the Russian Revolution. This is something that people have to suffer with to this day for whatever stupid reason. "
      Annnd the USSR (And the Tsar's stupidity before them, and regimes they helped found like NK, the CCP, and others.) ISN'T something that created lasting suffering to this day? Hell it's got more modern victims in general.

    • @drewluczynski9609
      @drewluczynski9609 3 роки тому +2

      @@DIEGhostfish I’m not saying people didn’t suffer. But you hear more about native rights and their history of being oppressed than of the Russian Revolution.
      I could have worded that better, but I do believe that point.

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish 3 роки тому +2

      @@drewluczynski9609 It's almost like the people who produce the programs in which you hear things see the Bolsheviks in a sympathetic light and the US Majority in an unsympathetic one.

    • @drewluczynski9609
      @drewluczynski9609 3 роки тому +1

      @@DIEGhostfish Elaborate, please.

  • @gabbyfowler669
    @gabbyfowler669 3 роки тому +18

    Pocahontas's fate sure feels like a slap to the face. Only worse. Just why?

  • @8BitDeadlift
    @8BitDeadlift 4 місяці тому +1

    John Smith: "Will you pledge your allegiance to King James?"
    Tribal Chief: "Nah, you will ACKNOWLEDGE ME UCE" 👆

  • @nocturnalcove9736
    @nocturnalcove9736 2 роки тому +6

    Ratcliffe's fate is horrifying...

  • @WillScarlet16
    @WillScarlet16 2 роки тому +5

    I still applaud Disney for trying to make this - making an animated movie that say something serious about our history while still being solid entertainment was a GOOD goal, even if they didn't pull it off. And more animation studios in this country should try it.

    • @jjb1908
      @jjb1908 Рік тому +1

      Don Bluth did it well with Anastasia

  • @lizafootfor5471
    @lizafootfor5471 3 роки тому +21

    In my opinion, Pocahontas is an okay film. Also, indeed, not all history have a happily ever after. It's difficult at first to look into these mature true tales, but I say "before we continue in the present and look forward to the future, we must look back and acknowledge the past."

  • @djnorris1572
    @djnorris1572 3 місяці тому +2

    4:24 Subtitles say 16002.

  • @kenthuang436
    @kenthuang436 2 роки тому +5

    Pocahontas isn’t a bad movie in the sense of storytelling and having a female heroine but it definitely was a huge mistake to make it in hindsight now that the internet is far more accessible than it was in the 90s and people can do research on the historical characters in the movie.

  • @berengerdietiker22
    @berengerdietiker22 Рік тому +1

    I was never fond of Walt Disney's Pocahontas films even as a child, and as a young adult, it's hard to look past the historical inaccuracies.

  • @Nightcrawler-zv1hx
    @Nightcrawler-zv1hx 2 роки тому +4

    you are FAR more informative than the Nostalgia Critic👍

  • @a.t.m873
    @a.t.m873 3 роки тому +9

    You're very smart and knowledgeable.

  • @jediknight131
    @jediknight131 5 місяців тому +1

    Disney wanted another "Princess" picture for the sake of "the brand"(Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella and the like), but therein lies the problem, those are fairytales, Pocahontas was a real, historical figure, who died tragically young. Crowbarring in what is basically magic, and that stupid love story between her and Smith, aging her up to a young woman, who's in love with him, does a great disservice to the real, brave young woman. Disney should stick to fairytales and leave history to the historians. It was said, at the time, in 1995, that Disney would meet with Native Americans, and talk with them, to get a more balanced perspective. Early on, it was said that she would have been portrayed at the young age she was in real life, that she would only speak in her people's language at first, that she would slowly learn how to speak English, to be closer to history. Unfortunately, the bigwigs at Disney scraped the more historical approach, going with the buxom, Indian maiden who goes wild for John Smith, who looks like a blonde surfer dude, with Mel Gibson's voice.

  • @stephaniewilliams6756
    @stephaniewilliams6756 2 роки тому +16

    So far a thoughtful and informative as well as funny video. Seems like the Natives were really metal in their punishment haha

  • @kylemew24
    @kylemew24 2 роки тому +5

    There are two other movies on Pocahontas that I can think of that are a little more accurate than the Disney version, One is by good times which I grew up with more than the Disney version of Pocahontas... The other I remember was a clay animation that was way more accurate than either of the two... I cannot remember who made the clay animation one or what studio it was done by I would really like if somebody does remember that one and can give me some info, if they know...

  • @BrandonCroker
    @BrandonCroker 3 роки тому +8

    Can you paint with all the history of the wind?

  • @alejandracervantes7837
    @alejandracervantes7837 2 роки тому +6

    With all the knowledge and sad history of Pocahontas, all I can say is that 🤬 this movie and 🤬 Disney for making it.

  • @michal7705
    @michal7705 2 роки тому +6

    I was stoping myself from watching this video for a long while, and now I feel glad that I finally did watch it, but I also now fully understand why it took me so long to actually watch it. This video reminds us that real life and history are a b*****.

  • @aegondracula
    @aegondracula 2 роки тому +3

    This is the one film that disney will totally not remake thats for sure.

  • @jasongrasham7094
    @jasongrasham7094 3 роки тому +11

    what a educational video very interesting definitely worth a rewatch also love the shirt

  • @wolfsbaneandnightshade2166
    @wolfsbaneandnightshade2166 3 роки тому +5

    Just so you know.... im watching this smoking pot in the tub. I regret nothing.

  • @Dredan143
    @Dredan143 2 роки тому +5

    Imma be real, any kind of peace would be impossible after one group lied about trade and then flayed my leader alive to cause as much pain as possible. Like there's no way we're having peace talks while the leader that did THAT is still in power. Especially when he was apparently trying to keep the peace.

  • @pbh9195
    @pbh9195 3 роки тому +6

    Thank you for this video.

  • @WilsTube
    @WilsTube 2 роки тому +3

    John Smith’s adventure history would make for an awesome movie let alone, franchise maybe!

  • @heinrichfletcher6954
    @heinrichfletcher6954 3 роки тому +48

    Raisor, as a History buff I love your history gone wrong videos and I had enjoyed this one ever since I had been growing an interest in Native American history because I don't think I know much about them. If you got another sometime I can't wait to see what you got and I love when reviewers add historical details to separate fact from fiction.
    Also to the people who said Pocahontas "doesn't exist" That's like saying humanity doesn't exist "That doesn't make any sense what you said" Well neither does your claim so why should I make any sense with mine.

  • @arkangel-pg7us
    @arkangel-pg7us Рік тому

    This video feels on par with most of the history documentaries I watched during history class. If not better.

  • @morganbrick9837
    @morganbrick9837 2 роки тому +1

    9:51 my grandparents whenever they go grocery shopping

  • @DIEGhostfish
    @DIEGhostfish 3 роки тому +4

    23:48 I mean, if this was after Radcliff you can't exactly blame them.

  • @angelarice8418
    @angelarice8418 2 роки тому +8

    That was a great video! I've been mad about this movie since i was eleven. It's not easy to put this history together like you did because it is so complicated with many dubious accounts recorded. Anyway, the movie never should have been made; it's shameful and gross and stupid. thank you :)

  • @johnny2x47
    @johnny2x47 2 роки тому +2

    In my opinion what would have made the movie a lot more better and especially a lot more to grasp the audience's attention and show the perspectives on both halves now that everyone's pitch perfect but to show how humans have flaws and now we can learn from that thing yes and you can show them making mistakes you know showing the folds on both sides one default and Christianity other one devolves on there beliefs. To show nobody is 100% perfect it creates a sense of a open world and that world that characters are in are grounded and real

  • @HeatherNickless-vt8zr
    @HeatherNickless-vt8zr Рік тому +1

    Tim Burton's writers got the Pocahontas history and the first Thanksgiving events all mixed up, especially since Pocahontas was born in a different tribe and time sometime later.

  • @jakedebruin2246
    @jakedebruin2246 Рік тому +1

    How did they think this was a good idea to adapt into a kids movie?

  • @nahomgirma5095
    @nahomgirma5095 Рік тому

    I was surprised by how well you handled this story Raisor! The real story of Pocahontas was more interesting and *FAR* more tragic than I ever thought it would be! Not to mention better than the Disney movie.

  • @Yeatonclifton
    @Yeatonclifton 5 місяців тому

    Thank you, I did not know there was this much legitemate history about Pocahontas. The movie could have told her real story, of course, and not insult her memory and Naitive Americans in general.

  • @romanov3937
    @romanov3937 2 роки тому +4

    I can't bring myself to hate the Disney movies, they're super un-true to the real story but..They weren't made out of malice, they were made to entertain, plus they encouraged people to look at the real story for comparison.

  • @Chris47629
    @Chris47629 2 роки тому +2

    And yet it was made into a G rated movie

  • @kendrickdinger
    @kendrickdinger 4 місяці тому

    I grew up in Virginia about 40 minutes from Jamestown where it’s part of nearly every elementary school curriculum to take a field trip there. I always knew the real story of Pocahontas but also loved the movie as a kid. It’s like the movie Anastasia where I also know that’s not historically accurate but I can still enjoy the movie interpretation

  • @saralily0977
    @saralily0977 4 місяці тому

    3:44 Hi there Rocky from Chicken Run

  • @jjb1908
    @jjb1908 Рік тому +2

    Something that no one talks about with this movie, but I will, I don't like this movies portrail of Ratcliffe. He was the only one who wanted to make peace with the natives, and he tried to help sick children and he was skinned and burned alive, but Jeffery Katzenberg said that hebwas the only problem for the conflict, everyone else was did not want to fight, so get eid of Ratcliffe and it's a happy ending. His traits in the fulm were indeed taken from the real life John Smith. Disgusting and disrespectful

  • @DIEGhostfish
    @DIEGhostfish 3 роки тому +2

    33:18 That post seems like a POEcahontas. Or someone who heard the Disney movie was made up, and just... Assumed they meant the WHOLE thing was made up rather than a mess.

  • @rainbowracer9576
    @rainbowracer9576 3 роки тому +5

    Very impressive 👏❤️

  • @stardiamond5241
    @stardiamond5241 3 роки тому +3

    Another great video once again 👏😊

  • @bsperoz
    @bsperoz 2 роки тому +1

    4:36 OUCH!!!

  • @RogueT-Rex8468
    @RogueT-Rex8468 2 роки тому +5

    I appreciate the history you put into these. It’s honestly really cool and well executed. I honestly don’t mind the shifts from the review in general.
    Awesome.
    And yeah- I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: I loved this movie as a kid and… still do. If only because of childhood memories, inspiring me as many Disney movies did as a child. But that being said- yeah. The gloss has faded as an adult because of the actual history.
    As I like to describe it: it would be as if Disney decided to make a movie called “Ann” that tells the love story between Hitler and Ann Frank…. Yeah. I don’t care how cutesy you try and make that idea it’s horrible and entirely in bad taste. Doesn’t matter how long ago it was…. It’s still in bad taste.

  • @MasontheGoodBoy
    @MasontheGoodBoy 2 роки тому

    Patrick bateman’s actor was in this film

  • @johnmatson5969
    @johnmatson5969 2 роки тому

    What is the video source of the laughing clip when he mentions his name was originally John sicklemore ?

  • @aspenglo6
    @aspenglo6 3 роки тому +1

    how you do an video on the donner party

  • @trinitymonroe3502
    @trinitymonroe3502 3 роки тому

    Do how would I fix land before time

  • @karimsalih6262
    @karimsalih6262 3 роки тому

    I know this isn't related to the video, but could you review Stretch Armstrong and the flex fighters?

  • @DIEGhostfish
    @DIEGhostfish 3 роки тому +3

    25:20 Short of a full confession of intent, there's other possibilities like a little independent looting by individuals or one of those sub-tribes wrongly blamed on the Powhattan. Though given the abusive stuff they actually put her through. Impossible Demand seems QUITE viable.

  • @CarrietheCritic
    @CarrietheCritic 2 роки тому +1

    Good real story.

  • @jjb1908
    @jjb1908 Рік тому

    Jeffery Katzenberg took pages out of John Smith's stupid ego fanfic novels

  • @charlietheanteater3918
    @charlietheanteater3918 2 роки тому

    “Wow Disney is making such big steps with their first gay character! There has never been a more gay character than the one that appears for literally 3 seconds and never appears again”
    Me: 9:16

  • @theblackswordsman3612
    @theblackswordsman3612 2 роки тому +1

    Hanz get ze flammenwerfer

  • @entertainmentpowerfuchs5744
    @entertainmentpowerfuchs5744 3 роки тому

    RaisorBlade please make a Video about the 4 Open Season Movies. It's like Alpha & Omega produced by Adam Sandler.

  • @garyperkovac1002
    @garyperkovac1002 11 місяців тому

    Disney is Disney. And they did their research into the history... AND into the legend... of Pocahontas. It's useful to separate the two. Perhaps, it's proper to point out that Disney fell short on the facts. O K. But how did they do on the story... based on the legend? Hmmm.

  • @Aurora-Welch
    @Aurora-Welch 5 місяців тому

    I don’t like this movie for its Historical Inaccurately and The False romance between John Smith and Pocahontas. 3:38 Brave Dad? I first learned about Princess Pocahontas when I was in first grade. Almost(depending) 10 years ago. 28:05 Yeah, No Shit.

  • @kaleighlawrence431
    @kaleighlawrence431 2 роки тому

    I am one of her Descendants

  • @NicklasZandeVGCP2001
    @NicklasZandeVGCP2001 3 роки тому +1

    Did the Mormons take inspiration from the natives?

    • @SEGASister
      @SEGASister 3 роки тому +1

      What do you mean?

    • @98953812
      @98953812 3 роки тому

      @@SEGASister Mormons are known for being polygamous

    • @SEGASister
      @SEGASister 3 роки тому

      @@98953812
      And Natives are also polygamous, apparently?

    • @98953812
      @98953812 3 роки тому

      @@SEGASister According to the history, yes.

    • @orangeslash1667
      @orangeslash1667 2 роки тому +1

      @@SEGASister Anastasia may not be accurate, but at least it didn't take it self too seriously, I think. Pocahontas on the other hand, oh get this Jeffrey Katzenberg wanted this film to win best picture😂.

  • @ClaudiaRPost
    @ClaudiaRPost Рік тому

    I prefer the Disney version

    • @dante_0962
      @dante_0962 Рік тому

      Don’t we wish but reality is reality and we gotta accept it.