Another god we know whose death may have a resulted in large scale destruction is Guizhong, Guili Plains was once a mountain range, but it got flattened into the plains it is now during a final battle involving Guizhong and Zhongli. We don't know who they were fighting or were they fighting each other, but that's where they last met. Gui from Guizhong= Return, Li from Zhongli = Leave, Guili = Return and Leave, their final place they returned to before leaving each other forever.
I'm not so sure about her death being the event that caused the mountain range to become plains. She is mentioned to be a particularly weak goddess. Weaker than Havria probably. She was ridiculously smart tho. That's why she was the brains while Morax was the brawn.
@@jeffulloa218 Like Aster said in her video. The strength of a god does not really matter. Their godly power is expelled at their death, causing devastation to the surrounding area. Also, in the end they are still gods, entities with a lot of power. Even if they are weak in terms of being a god or other immortal being such as an Adepti for example, they are still powerful in the greater scheme of things. Especially when all their divine power is released at once upon their death.
Counterpoint: andrius's death showcases that there's situations where, when a god dies willingly at the very least, the death can be harmless or even benefit the environment. Similarly guoba also released all of his energy in a way that benefitted the land. If makoto died in peace that she fulfilled her duty the fallout might not have even happened
I think the thing about Andrius's death is it wasn't him being slain, which I think was a difference I was considering because when I was writing this I was thinking "damn, mondstadt is still kicking, how come?" and I think i realized this point after making the script that Makoto was slain in battle, Andrius gave his life willingly, Guoba is still alive and is just happy to be here .
@@ChillwithAster maybe. The violence behind the death could play a big factor that's true. Tho, I'm still not sure about makoto considering she had a pretty clear understanding on how the cataclysm would end would end for her and might have taken some precautions as to not nuke the place. Also, I'd argue guoba is as good as dead in his current form considering every aspect of what made him an individual has been reduced to nearly nothing. His powers are gone, his mind is mostly gone, with only a few key individuals being recognizable and some of his old habits like liking food, which is why I'd argue current guoba dying might not lead to a much destruction. And yes I know harvia was a weak god too but I don't think it's the same situation. But tbh, who knows at this point, everything is so open-ended everything could be the case at this point Either way, great video as always, thank you for your amazing content :D
@@ChillwithAster But Makoto didn't technically perish at the battlefield but was mortally wounded since Ei had time to salvage her consciousness plane and bring it back to Inazuma where we see she lingered a bit.
Hmm.... but we say in the cut scene where ei expains to us her story. That she was seen holding baal. But if baal went nuclear then why is there a body. Shouldn't she be a pile of lightning like havaria was salt?
As you said, gods burst into elemental power and surround area where they died, and we know what happened to multiple gods after death: Orobashi - tatarigami and storm on yashior island Thunder bird - thunderstorm on serai island Havria - surround her full domain with salt Decarabian - whole old mondstat into raging winds So my assumption is that they turn into raw elemental power
Greater Lord R- released a huge surge of water (or set it up to be possible?) 💧 Some Adepti God in Liyue - the mountain he died on, came up o produce CLOUDS ☁️ I wonder, if we keep digging, could we find other elemental “sacrifices” in Teyvat?
I love how a lot of pieces of the puzzle seem to fall in place, while on the other hand, so many more questions have arisen with the release of Sumeru. Thank you for being great, Aster! :)
Everything suggest that gods don't actually truly die without leaving something behind. The thunder manifestation for example is what's left from the thunderbird, the sands from Havria imbued inside everyone nearby her, Orobashi left behind residual residue that leaves miasmic effects, eternal rain, and crystal marrow, etc. It seems that gods always leave some remnant when they die. Likely Kusanali is just the remnant of the greater lord as there's no stated drastic effects from her death and Kusanali's birth is celebrated on the same day as the greater lord's death.
@Harry Shade Havria wasn't angry, she was technically safe in her home town as they were locked in. It was likely more despair she felt when she was killed. Still we can see the sword wielder died in the act of swinging the sword so she likely didn't even feel that. We have no reference of a God dying without leaving anything outside the gods we don't have land of like the Scarlet King (I think the corruption of the greater lord and the leylines likely was from the Scarlet King), the goddess of flowers, and the greater lord themself (though we do know all true padisarah died off with her and the waters had apparently turned black as did the rain so her remnants may have been confused with the general war). Plus we know Makato didn't have regrets. In fact, it seems she fought with intent to die and left behind the sacred Sakura tree and her consciousness in the sword (where the seed came from). That is still a remnant of a god that is long dead.
Minor correction: from the sound of Zhongli's dialogue, no he can currently still make Mora, the gnosis might have helped him generate more but it's him being "dead" that's the heart of Teyvat's future currency crisis. He chooses not to make Mora for himself personally because he's trying to live as a mortal, but that's his own moral code. It ties nicely to your point about Venti and Zhongli are still the active archon of their nations, even with the fiction of Zhongli's death in Liyue. If tomorrow Zhongli decided he needed to make Mora, he could.
What’s scary isn’t death, but what happens after death lays a bigger impact ethically. In Teyvat, anything dead will be turned into memories to feed the leyline, but knowing every of those memories being turned into artifacts to be sold, used and wasted like everyday objects kinda disregard the whole formality of funeral, shrines, ect
My headcannon/theory: Upon the death/acceptance of mortality of a god a world tree(and other plants) will sprout Makoto was a gentle soul, she left behind the sacred sakura through a willing sacrifice Rukhadevata and Zhongli were wise, their understanding of life and mortality was their "death" as gods and their trees were born. B version of Rukhadevata is that her "tree" is Kusanali since their deep connection to the dendro element and Irminsul Venessa was reborn as a god and left befind a massive oak tree. Other special plantlife: Massive glowing flowers in sumeru(legacy of the flower archon?) big sentient mushroom tree in the chasm the trees on tsurumi island The violent and unwilling deaths of gods(and people) bring forth agressive plantlife, the regisvines and overabundance of leyline energy are manifestation of this, the so called "filth" that has to be purged or it will feed upon the living like a parasite. The most vile corruption is in sumeru, the withering which manifests intself as scarlet flowers, the legacy of the scarlet king whose death was anything but peacefull, grief towards the goddess of flowers turned into madness what has celestia to do with this? nature as we know it is proably against the heavenly principles, since there the water and food tastes foul according to venti. gods were born without the intervention of celestia
I wonder if when we go to Natlan we'll get to see/learn more about the important characters that passed on, considering the cultural significance of fire (death and rebirth and all that) ... I'm totally not saying that cause I want an excuse to see more of La Signora
In the region teaser from a year ago Dain said that the Pyro archon would share some sort of secret or truth with the traveler. Might have something to do with the archon war.
@@wtpiv6041 and of course we will have to beat her up, because how can the God of War pass on the opportunity to fight the glorious traveller who has already taken on several other gods 🧍♂️🧍♂️
When Decarabian died, his powers went immediately to the wind spirit Venti and he became the new anemo archon. I've always wondered why it was Venti who was chosen since, as a wind spirit, he was probably less powerful than any human in the city. I guess humans can't become archons? Or maybe the wind spirit was actually more powerful than i thought.
Except Decarabian wasn't an archon. He ruled Old Mondstadt, yes, but he was just the God of Storms. The title of Anemo Archon didn't exist until the resolution of the archon war for the remaining entity left, and same with the other archon titles. In reality there was another god-like being in Mondstadt who had the power to ascend as an archon and who had been in war with Decarabian before the humans killed him, and that was Andrius the Boreas Wolf. But Andrius doesn't like humanity much so he declined and went to the woods to live with the wolves. The wind sprite just took the chance to ask for the archon position since there was no one else left, and Celestia seemed fine by it. The powers Barbatos got aren't Decarabian's, but likely from Celestia (or maybe an extension of Istaroth's but that's a theory)
@@caparashon the way some people still refer to decarabian as first anemo archon after all these years and several ingame dialogues mentioning him just being the god of storms and venti being one of the original seven...
It was mentioned in lore that Venti's first bit of godly power came from the Gunnhildr clan's worship, when he answered their prayers after they tried to leave Decarabian's Mondstadt. Eventually his following grew and so did his power, so he was probably already quite powerful when they overthrew Decarabian. And when he formally received the Anemo gnosis, his power presumably increased further. There's no evidence that Venti inherited any of Decarabian's power; there's no lore concerning what happened to Decarabian's power after he died. It's curious that despite being a powerful god and dying a violent death being murdered by his lover Amos, he didn't cause any sort of harm to Mondstadt. This is in contrast to Orobashi and Havria, both of whom caused a lot of harm upon death, despite being benevolent. Maybe Venti had sealed Decarabian's remnant power in the ruins of old Mondstadt, in the unaccessible basement of Decarabian's tower. I hope we get lore on that someday.
@@Laev1gata At friendship lvl 5 it says that 'With the crumbling of an ancient seat of divinity, a new god was born. The Anemo Archon Barbatos felt power flowing at his fingertips.' It kinda sounds like his power did come from Decarabian though, at least part of it.
Ei seems to be a real outlier to this theory. Makoto revived her after Ei sacrificed herself so Makoto could ascend. Only possible due to her residue being still around, which is only something that happens with gods. It is however odd that Ei didn't revive Makoto.
@Harry Shade Andrius seems to be more like a case of Gouba, if any with a then subsequent death. The uncertain part is, it's unknown if Ei just got straight up killed at that point or something else.
@@MagnonEntertain Andrius Boreas gives his life so that Venti/Barbatos could take up archonship. Andrius could not understand/deal with the people and had no intent or desire to rule, to evade conflict, he gives his life. He was originally next inline to the "throne" being physically more powerful than Venti. Idk much about the gnosis/archon status. I imagine ascendance is pretty autonomous though, hence the hurry for Andrius and Ei/Beelzebub to give their lives, despite being the next inline, to ascendance, idk, though, could be wrong.
Actually this video was made before 3.1 so I wanna clear something that is Dendro Archon never died, she just lost most of her power which made her transform back to a small child so it's safe to assume that she is indeed of the original seven archons, now I would also like to mention that Raiden can also be considered as pseudo original electro archon cuz she did half the work of electro archon and just didn't have a gnosis otherwise she can be considered as pseudo original archon
It's highly possible that's why the Tsaritsa was so offended/outraged by what Celestia did. She may have found out that's what Celestia intended. They might have been sent to Khaenri'ah under the pretense to talk to the humans, possibly Zhongli, Venti, Makoto and Ruka were the only ones who knew that was likely not going to happen- since they were stated to be the only 4 left who won the Archon war- the other Archons at that time were stated to not be the original winners of the Archon war. I think Zhongli stated that. Though, he seemed to think Ei and Makoto were the same Archon before and after, just acting differently now- whether he never knew about Ei being Makoto's shadow double or if he knew of her existence at all and thought things were still the same and that Ei was still Makoto's shadow is unknown. He seemed unaware that Ruka wasn't the only Archon killed at that time. It was stated or implied by him, Ping and Cloud Retainer (and possibly Venti) that the gods ocassionally met in Cloud Retainer's garden at the table. It was also implied that the Archon's lost contact after the Cataclysm- that he & Venti had known and been friendly with the replacement Archons for Fontain, Natlan and Snezhnaya before the Cataclysm. So, I'm also curious about the originals who won the Archon war in those places. How the seat changed hand- it's clear something went down in Fontain to cause the Oceanids(sp?) to refuse to abide by the change, causing them to leave Fontain all together. Also, its suggested in Liyue (by Ningguang) that the humans assumed (until he visits Ningguang, Keqing and the others in their dreams) that Celestia chooses new Archons themselves- insinuating that the humans don't think the adeptai can/will/would fight for supremacy amongst themselves, to be chosen (incidentally- it felt like that's what Mountain Shaper & Moon Carver might have been considering. Then when their boss popped into their dreams and said: "No, really: I'm still here, boys" that they took vacations to cool themselves off- making Cloud Retainer salty that they left her out). But back to Celestia - I think it's highly possible that they got the Archons (this doesn't mean all, obviously Venti, Zhongli, Makoto and likely Ruka knew something bad was likely going to happen) there under false pretenses with the specific intention on Celestia's part to be to use the Archons (by killing them) like living weapons, knowing full well that killing one or more of them might get rid of the people in that nation.
Huh, just realized, each region had at least 3 gods. Andrius, Decarabian, and Venti for Mond. Morax, Guizhong, and Havria for Liyue. Orobashi, Baal, and Beelzebub for Inazuma. Flower Goddess, Scarlet King, and Rukkhadevata for Sumeru. Also can't wait for what dragon esque creature we have to fight in Sumeru, we already have Dvalin from Mond, Azdaha from Liyue, and Thunder Bird from Inazuma (Orobashi is fully dead so eh).
@@randyjr.arsenio5624 Who is the Snake Puppy? Also, ya, Vishaps are actually a better dragon esque thing for Inazuma but they're not like, one big almost godly thing, there was only ever one Kapatchir but the Vishaps we're an entire race also I kinda just thought that Enka, Dragonspine, and Chasm should be counted as different regions.
@@lostit4795 I mostly counted the ones that ruled over people and the only thing I remember about Osial is that he's married and was beaten by Morax and Liyue
So essentially Zhongli and Venti ARE still the Archons of Liyue and Mondstadt respectively. Even without their gnosis. For Zhongli giving up his gnosis simply meant giving up his active role in governing Liyue. For Venti, it pretty much made no difference, since he had always left Mondstadt to its own devices anyway. This would mean that their gnosis is not what makes them Archons, but rather a token granted to them to symbolize their ascension to Archonhood. Like being rewarded with a medal to commemorate being granted some title.
"What happens when Gods Die?" I have a theory of my own about this, relating to another one but that's besides the point. True gods in the Hoyoverse don't die, they physically can't. You can reduce their forms so they can't do anything, but they could potentially rebound given the right circumstances. What qualifies as a true god? Well that's the part I'm still working on, and have to do some cross referencing to nail it down, but I do believe that at least the Sustainer is a true god. Kiana always does become one. On the other hand I think beings like Havaria and some of the adepti are more so powerful beings that people worship, rather than a god. I know I could probably explain this in more depth, but its late at night for me, and it would take a long time to explain in the first place.
Don't forget about Marchosius aka Guoba. THough he didn't die but rather dispersed his power while alive. But either way it seems that even when gods die they leave something of themselves behind. Such as the sacred Sakura. Also this is twice that the god of time Istaroth has helped 2 of the now "Dead" gods that died in the cataclysm. Which would take a lot of power as well and that god is now missing. Which goes along with the theories that she suffered the same fate as Guoba and might be either Paimon or Changsheng. Either way though it seems that a god's "death" and the dispersal of their power are synonymous. One results in the other it's just a matter of what form they take after.
Before watching: I think there could/should maybe be a place in Khaenri'ah which is kinda like Seirai Island where Makoto died and possibly another area where it's either surreal or overgrown with forestry (or both) if Rukkhadevata did die in Khaenri'ah (but if Rukkhadevata died in Teyvat, we could have that area in the main world map)
I honestly wonder what death means in the world of Teyvat as presented to us: We know that bodys can freely be created. We also know that the leylines work as memory backup, since memories can be stored and recovered. We also know that at least Ei can place her consciousness in objects at will. I think it is likely that with Sumeru we will touch the subject of rebirth. The piece still missing is, how corrosion works. It seems to vary from case to case. Are only living things affected or does it also affect the stored memories? Maybe the Akasha system in the end was meant to save memories from corrosion...
I think the only true death in Teyvat is the curse placed on Khaenr'iah, where the hilichurls can't be accepted by the leylines and they slowly corrode/wither away until they go somewhere to die and stop existing.
I’m so happy you did this video because I recently wrote on another video about this!!! My theories were: “After watching the Assassination part again, after playing the Sumeru update I have some speculations… So they found the new Dendro Archon after the previous had died in the calamity which was 500 years ago. The new Archon is only 500 years old this would mean that the Archon is reborn as a baby as soon as the old Archon passes kind of like Avatar The Last Airbender. So that would make Assassination of a previous Hydro Archon impossible unless the current Hydro Archon is an imposter. Next, Zhonglis death as an Archon wouldn’t trigger the birth of a new Archon since he technically didn’t die. BUT would ppl still be looking for the new Geo Archon because of his supposed death? But the there’s the case of Inazuma where Ei and Makoto are twins. Makoto was the original Archon and when she died the power passed to Ei so is it more like a monarchy? And how did they decide which twin was the Archon? Did they have to battle it out? Or did Makotos death trigger the birth of a new Electro Archon but no one knows because they assume Ei would just be the new Archon?” (I reworded some things but you get the gist!) My other this is…. How did they know Kusanali was the new Dendro Archon? If it was put into ATLA-esque terms then the way they would know was her being able to pick out former Dendro Archons toys/items. I still have a lot of questions so hopefully it will all clear up. But I also have another theory!!! I wish there was some way to get ahold of you so I could tell you because It literally came to me in a dream 😴 Any-hoooooo thanks 🙏🏻
Two things, one liyue has a vested interest in being free of the archons. That becomes a new goal after the situation during the archon quest gets resolved. Also I could be wrong but the only people who talk about the dead electro archon are the other archons, who have extra knowledge, while the citizens of inazuma act as if the shogun never changed. How would they even know as they were twins. Also the twins decided amongst themselves that makoto would be the ruler, while Ei would serve as the secret sword
Have you ever said something about contaminated ley lines? If ley lines are not only the biggest source of power on Teyvat but is also made of memories, then what are the contaminated parts? For example the mud on the chasm, the contamination on the Sakura tree, etc. My hypothesis is that is ley line energy coming from eroded memories. This energy gets unstable with time afecting the host like the archons. Thid memories that would get ussually purified (like on the Sakura tree) and reused to hold new memories and gift power, but if a masive amount of corrupted energy is pumped into the ely lines for example during the dead of a god or some atack that disturves the normal flow (like the nails or the thunder bird attacks) sending corrupted energy everywere on chaotic ways
Thank you for this aster! It's funny how whenever I have a question about the lore or write notes about it you make a video of the same topic. Also regarding this topic there's the Issue of Andrius and Decarabian, like, why do all the deaths of the gods of other nations seem so devastating to the environment and the people around it, while in Mondstalt we have pretty well preserved ruins considerating that a good died around it and many people survived
Ngl, i always thought it would be cool if, like how thor works in the marvel comics, as long as someone believes in them, they can use that hope to regenerate their bodies. The amount of regen depends on the amount of belief they have. It would be cool as they draw their strength from beliefs, so in that, they become tied to their peoples beliefs. But, them not being able to return from death does give them a more human feel.
The archons already do that though, it's stated that the strength of an archon is directly correlated to how involved in the rule of their respective nations
@@yuchen2478 Isnt this whole video about what hapoens when archons die? Them regenerating because someone believes in them(btw i already know and stated their strength depends on ppl believing in them) would make this video invalid. Btw u know what i mean when i say regenerate right?
Maybe you're on something here, like i don't think Zhongli or other entities can regenerate themselves but in the case of Venti who became a god because of faith and seems to be the less afraid of erosion could be possible, especially if we think about how he goes to the tree on Windrise to heal himself 👀
I wonder if it matters which part of the god dies. We can see that there's sometimes a separation in which part of the god dies. Andrius gave up his body meaning it "died" but his spirit still exists and is sentient. Makoto's body died in Khaenr'iah but the last of her spirit inhabited Ei's sword and so she didn't fully die at that point in time. Orobashi, Havria, and Guizhong seem to have fully perished in both spirit and body. Rukkhadevata isn't fully confirmed yet, but she might be a case of bodily death with some spirit still living. I don't think we've seen a case of a god whose spirit died but their body is still around like Genshin's version of Godwyn, but I suppose it could happen eventually. So I wonder if the consequences or the severity of the consequences vary based on how the god dies. E.g., is it less severe if only their body dies? Or does a huge energy blast only happen if their body and spirit die suddenly at the same time? Does the energy blast only happen if they die violently like Havria who was murdered? Does a god's willingness to die affect whether there's a huge energy blast or similar; Makoto went into Khaenr'iah knowing, and therefore accepting, that she would probably die, so did that make a difference to the consequences of her death? On a side note, I think the huge energy blast or other consequences as a result of a god's death is why Genshin can't kill off Venti or Zhongli, at least until close to the end of the story. In conversations about who is death-flagged in Genshin, I've seen them come up with some regularity. But, for game continuity, they can't be killed off for a long time yet, if at all. As Aster pointed out, if Zhongli died in Liyue it would be like a nuke went off and the whole area, possibly the whole country would cease to exist. They can't change the world like that then have you able to play in the region as normal, and wiping a whole region off the amp seems bad for business; you lock yourself out of characters, further story etc. So, if Venti and/or Zhongli do die in the story, they would have to die outside their nation, probably in Khaenr'iah or Celestia as part of the final push, or Genshin would have to circumvent them nuking a whole country through some very contrived plot armor. So I think they're unlikely to get killed off anytime soon, if at all.
Hi Aster, I've some questions. If you don't need a Gnosis to bear the Archon title and rule a nation, and according to Venti, it is an external magical thingy which directly resonates with Celestia, what purpose does a Gnosis exactly serve besides having those quirks like minting Mora, running the Akasha system etc? Why does it exist if it's so trivial a matter for Celestia to care about in terms of Archon-hood?
One more question: if is truly Celestia in charge of ordering/assigning Archons.... why we have 3 archons that either resigned the gnosis severing relationships with Celestia on purpose ( Ei and Zhongli), one Archon "lost" it....and Celestia did not bat an eyelid? Celestia did not try to bring the stray Archons back, not punished them or punished the fatui or the Tsaritsa for igniting a rebellion...Nothing.
Celestial is not even from Teyvat, this makes me think how only archons and those with visions are able to ascend to Celestia, original gods or the primordial ones cannot or did not… this begs the question; what is Teyvat’s true heaven? Is there a heaven and/or hell? The lore of this game is just so fascinating
dont we know already through zhong lis quest with the salt god.....their energy remains throughout the world and they have the potential to return. Im guessing theyd have to pool their energy back together which would take an incredibly long time which is why its better to think of them as dead.
I have a very interesting question. What abt the dendro "allogenes"? Aren't they supposed to be next in lime to be selected as an archon by celestia? If not then why ascend them to celestia and not jst let them die?
It's ironical how Inazuma's archon changed 500 years ago and no one knows about it and how Sumeru's archon didn't change, yet everyone thinks she got replaced lol 😂😂
Imagine if Kusanali was a khanrian child who just happened to be nearby when the dendro archon died. Crackhead theory, I know, but wouldn’t it be fucking SICK? It would also explain why the sages refuse to accept her as the new archon. They see her as a lackluster replacement, and the one guilty of their God’s death. It’s probably impossible, but it would be so fucking cool.
now, we speak about humanoid gods, orobashi, chi of yore and durin (if he classified as one) left behind skeletal body, I wanna answer that all gods are elemental being thus they will back being one with element in nature but then orobashi struck out
I belive gnosis is the key to enter Celestia, for every ruling archon one, same as we have always one of anemo/geo etc oculus .. That is gonna be are key for Celestia. About old dendro Archon, no one knows if she is dead and since Zhongli's story we know that God's can change they appearance. Cryo archon was there , and she changed after the cataclysm , and after dendro archon was missing
Another interesting subject. There are so many unanswered questions its become quite confounding yet again. I can't wait to explore the parallels between Kusanali and Venti or revisit the passing of Archon status between Baal and Ei. As another commentator mentioned the question of why the Archons have a succession when the other defeated God's do not is also an interesting topic to dissect. Sumeru has already left us with several lore bombs to unravel. Like Katherine being a Snezhnayan puppet and how the Akademia is operating far to closely to the sciences of Khaenriah. So much to explore.
Could you remember the mist island and how we see ruins in which celestia seens absent? It much seens that celestia is a foreign force that make teyvat a empire, and put the Archons as rulers. Mabey that's why the other gods need no succession, because celestia want only one ruler per region (and that also explain the archon wars, all God's fighting to become the archon of the land, so to not die)
I feel like Rukkadevata didn't really die, and instead somehow preserved herself to be resurrected as Nahida - or even not resurrected entirely, maybe it's the same situation as with the stove god?
The details of the Goddess Of Flowers' death haven't been given, but what if it wasn't so much a normal god's death so much as she was giving her memories and power to the Irminsul?
Two question. Kusanali is born as the second dendro archon after rukadhevata. But what about the other other gods? The God of sand, goddess of flower, dust, and salt. Why is there no new deity of this respective element born to replace them like kusanali did? Does the birth cycle only apply to the archons? Or does celestia has a way to prevent new deity of threse element.... or any other deity outside of the seven from being born? Assuming that the archon war purpose is indeed to reduce the population of gods. If not.... Then surely now we would have heard of at least the existence of a living gods outside of the seven roaming somewhere in the genshin universe. Second, supposed Morax did in Liyua..... And a new geo archon were born, do you think that the qixing gonna do? Do you think that their going to treat the new archon like the sages did to Nahida? Or Will they hand over the Governing of Liyue to the new archon? Thank you.
From the Liyue Archon quest and Perilous Trail quest, afaik the adepti and Qixing know that Rex Lapis is alive, just retired. I think he already told them that he wishes for humans to rule over Liyue and stop being reliant on him, which is the point of Liyue's arc.
The death of Makoto causes the grow of the Sacred Sakura Tree because of her ideology as a god, and her strong will to protect her people. She also used the remaining of her powers to empower the Musou Isshin and stored her consciousness within the sword to help Ei understand her sister's meaning of eternity.
if celestia killed makoto and rukkhadevata as like some sort of atomic bomb to destroy khaenriah... what i am curious about is whether or not those two were against celestia and voiced it so celestia killed them as an example
Wonder how powerful prime andrius is. Well, he's freezed outside of old monstadt he's the only god that had two elements. We need more monstadt lores four winds especially old monstadt.
Ei was revived by Makoto right? Ei died during archon war but was revived to be Makoto's kagemusha. Andrius' soul lingers in wolvendom Havria went poof Decarabian also poofed Marchosias had an amnesia and is in Guoba form Bet: Rukkadevata is kusanali. just have similar "death" with guoba
Im actually curious about the Ei part since thats the reason I opened this video, cause I needed others with opinions on it. It says that Ei sacrificed her form so Makoto can be the formal Archon. Honestly, the whole process of the Kagemusha is strange since Makoto "recalled Ei's" will. But why cant Ei do the same the other way around? Makoto did it because she "remembered" the bond. So why was Makoto's death permanent? Was Ei ever truly brought back? Is this just another shogun situation? Or did Ei never truly die which is why Makoto can "recall her divine will"? It's so vague which is why I'm so curious about it
@@ChillwithAster I think the Archon war's condition to declare someone an Archon is to have any other gods on their respective region be "gone" and let them be the last god standing. Mond: when rebellion of Venti-Andrius faction won against Decarabian, they decided who to be Archon. Andrius chose to dissipate his powers. Basically depowered. Leaving Venti the only god left Liyue: Zhongli destroyed the other gods with the help of Guizhong being the brains. Guoba depowered. Osial presumably killed Guizhong (flood in Guili). Havria betrayed by her people. Zhongli sealed Osial (basically depowered) Inazuma: Orobashi live in harmony with Makoto and Ei but in order for Makoto to be Archon, Orobashi hid to Enkanomiya and Ei has to "die" or depowered to just being a kagemusha. Sumeru: Goddess of flowers died. Scarlet king went nuts (im still trying to absorb the books about scarlet king) probably sealed in his tomb. Leaving Rukkhadevata to be the only God left in Sumeru. Still betting Rukkhadevata depowered to be kusanali.
wai Ei died? this never mentioned in Archon quest, only from Treasured Tales of the Chouken Shinkageuchi, who wrotes the book? most people doesn't even know their Archon was twin let alone writing a book about it, and I'm sure not Yae Miko since she wouldn't even born yet
@@rzkyJR I mean, the validity of that book is at the same level as the artifact lore and weapon lore validity. Nothing in genshin is certain, but if there is evidence in the game somewhere that suggests something and there's *nothing* to fact check it against, then we can do nothing about it. So many good theories come from book lore, like the Ballad of the Breeze and the lore of the Bamboo Lit Forest.
@@ChillwithAster yes so many hidden lores behind all those books and artifact, had not I seen this comment I wouldn't have known either, I mean even Ei herself stated that the books is fairly accurate, it just surprised me and makes me wonder who the author is because of the information and content inside it lol, and since some lore books had author's name or folktales sources, this books author might be Ei herself, I mean the cover
Just wondering, there are seven elements in teyvat so there are seven nations, does this mean that the gods who takes a seat gain the respective elemental power but already have some sort of divine power prior to having the title of an archon? For example if the salt god was the one who took morax's place only then would she gain the power of geo but still has the salt bae power?
I believe they are all supposed to be elemental beings by nature, and they were granted the title Archon of "element" based on that. Venti was already a wind spirit, Zhongli was a dragon who could command earth (ex. crafting Azhdaha's body from stone), Ei and Makoto are the manifestations of lightning, Ruka and Nahida's minds are connected to an ancient tree. So if Andruis chose to become Archon he could of became God of wind or ice. Havria would be Geo Archon since salt is a mineral, so on and so forth.
Kusanali dies: massive memory wipe. Ei dies: Insane lightning storms strike all of Inazuma, worse than the Red Fog of Tsurumi Island. Zhongli dies: Explodes into paper confetti from every contact Liyue has known. Venti dies: lets out a 500 year old fart, like a Stinking Could spell that smothers all of Monstadt.
My guess: Think God of War III after Kratos kills a God….basically as a mortal, you don’t wanna be anyway near them when it happens. Especially if a God is corrupted in someway
I imagine that when an archon dies their physical bodies turn to dust, like the non-human enemies. When an Archon dies and Celestia has to replace them, they take the dust and morph a new one. For Baal and Ei, I think that because Ei was already there to replace Baal, Celestia didn’t have to create a new Archon, and thats why Baal is able to interact with Ei when we got the Raiden boss. Because Greater Lord Rukkhadevata died without a living successor, Celestia made Lesser Lord Kusanali with her dust, and thats why we’ve only seen her in memories and Nahida looks like Rukkhadevata so much she could basically be her but younger. Of course this isn’t backed up by any evidence I just think it’d be cool.
Can a god be in control of the effects of their death ? The scarlet king died to protect his people so wouldn’t his power have affected the desert be becoming more desert? Instead his death sealed the dark knowledge for some time until Nahida could help
The Gnosis of an Archon to me seems to be a way of serving those the deity governs ; Morax's allows for the creation of Mora, which so far it has been proven the humans can live without,and it certainly doesn't seem to be important to the Archon who holds it. It seems more of a 'quality of life' thing that they can adjust to live without - such as the Akasha terminal simply being an extension of knowledge, rather than something required to live with. I suspect this is also why Barbatos doesn't really care about his Gnosis being taken,and why Morax and Beelzebul gave theirs away,simply because it isn't *needed* for them to serve as an Archon. [ This also makes me raise the question as to why the Tsaritsa may be collecting them,if they aren't particularly worth anything ]
Celestia has no claim on the dead, and on their souls. In Hu Tao's story, an unknown had touch her, and this is an unknown God, and was not specified as connected to the heavens above.
So Andrius isn't included? He was powerful enough to be considered a candidate for Anemo Archon like Decerabian, and Barbatos eventually, but he turned it down and chose to die. The Andrius we fight every week is just his ghostly form that still has a limited effect on reality, though that does get me wondering if his bones are underneath his arena....
If Kusanali was created through the powers of the Greater lord and Istaroth could it be possible that the Greater Lord Rukhadevata saw the future with her power of wisdom or istarith's power of time and that's why she wants people to forget her so ger existence alone doesn't end up burdening Kusanali the way it does now. Also we know that whoever comes in contact with the Greater Lord's conciousness while gaining knowledge from Irminsol goes mad, could that be because the conciousnrss is trying a forced memory erasure but since the conciousness is infected/contaminated it corrupts the victims mind making them go mad.
What is a God but simply a being with superior powers? Are we as humans not Gods to numerous species on Earth? Perhaps not to the point of worship, but we are significantly more powerful than most species. The Adepti may as well be considered Gods themselves. Though at this point I would probably consider them quasi-gods, and the Archons demigods. The regional Gods as we know them are simply beings with more power that chose to influence the lesser beings. Yet we already know there are beings above what we call the Gods in Teyvat. And we know there are other forces at work beyond just Celestia and the "Gods" linked to it. To know what happens when a true God dies, or if they even could die, we need to look beyond the Archons, though some hints could be in their lore. Enkanomiya is the major source of knowledge in that so far, though perhaps more will be explained in Sumeru later, as they would like have some memories in the Irminsul tree.
@Harry Shade she wasnt being compared to an archon she was being used to show the drastic difference between them😭😭don't y'all listen when watching video😭😭 she was used to say if someone who isn't an archon can cause this damage imagine wat an archon could do
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Another god we know whose death may have a resulted in large scale destruction is Guizhong, Guili Plains was once a mountain range, but it got flattened into the plains it is now during a final battle involving Guizhong and Zhongli. We don't know who they were fighting or were they fighting each other, but that's where they last met. Gui from Guizhong= Return, Li from Zhongli = Leave, Guili = Return and Leave, their final place they returned to before leaving each other forever.
I'm not so sure about her death being the event that caused the mountain range to become plains.
She is mentioned to be a particularly weak goddess. Weaker than Havria probably. She was ridiculously smart tho. That's why she was the brains while Morax was the brawn.
@@jeffulloa218 Honestly I can see why Venti was such a drunk now. Imagine a duo like that at your border all the time. I’d be stressed out.
Zhongli probably flattened it in her memory
@@jeffulloa218 Like Aster said in her video. The strength of a god does not really matter. Their godly power is expelled at their death, causing devastation to the surrounding area. Also, in the end they are still gods, entities with a lot of power. Even if they are weak in terms of being a god or other immortal being such as an Adepti for example, they are still powerful in the greater scheme of things. Especially when all their divine power is released at once upon their death.
@@yunamoonlight1015 Imagine the amount of power Xiao would put out should he ever die.
Counterpoint: andrius's death showcases that there's situations where, when a god dies willingly at the very least, the death can be harmless or even benefit the environment. Similarly guoba also released all of his energy in a way that benefitted the land. If makoto died in peace that she fulfilled her duty the fallout might not have even happened
I think the thing about Andrius's death is it wasn't him being slain, which I think was a difference I was considering because when I was writing this I was thinking "damn, mondstadt is still kicking, how come?" and I think i realized this point after making the script that Makoto was slain in battle, Andrius gave his life willingly, Guoba is still alive and is just happy to be here .
@@ChillwithAster maybe. The violence behind the death could play a big factor that's true. Tho, I'm still not sure about makoto considering she had a pretty clear understanding on how the cataclysm would end would end for her and might have taken some precautions as to not nuke the place. Also, I'd argue guoba is as good as dead in his current form considering every aspect of what made him an individual has been reduced to nearly nothing. His powers are gone, his mind is mostly gone, with only a few key individuals being recognizable and some of his old habits like liking food, which is why I'd argue current guoba dying might not lead to a much destruction. And yes I know harvia was a weak god too but I don't think it's the same situation.
But tbh, who knows at this point, everything is so open-ended everything could be the case at this point
Either way, great video as always, thank you for your amazing content :D
@@ChillwithAster But Makoto didn't technically perish at the battlefield but was mortally wounded since Ei had time to salvage her consciousness plane and bring it back to Inazuma where we see she lingered a bit.
@@ovasquezg23 no that was makoto herself,she left a piece of herself at the shrine bcuz she knew she would die.
Hmm.... but we say in the cut scene where ei expains to us her story. That she was seen holding baal. But if baal went nuclear then why is there a body. Shouldn't she be a pile of lightning like havaria was salt?
As you said, gods burst into elemental power and surround area where they died, and we know what happened to multiple gods after death:
Orobashi - tatarigami and storm on yashior island
Thunder bird - thunderstorm on serai island
Havria - surround her full domain with salt
Decarabian - whole old mondstat into raging winds
So my assumption is that they turn into raw elemental power
Greater Lord R- released a huge surge of water (or set it up to be possible?) 💧
Some Adepti God in Liyue - the mountain he died on, came up o produce CLOUDS ☁️
I wonder, if we keep digging, could we find other elemental “sacrifices” in Teyvat?
I love how a lot of pieces of the puzzle seem to fall in place, while on the other hand, so many more questions have arisen with the release of Sumeru. Thank you for being great, Aster! :)
Everything suggest that gods don't actually truly die without leaving something behind. The thunder manifestation for example is what's left from the thunderbird, the sands from Havria imbued inside everyone nearby her, Orobashi left behind residual residue that leaves miasmic effects, eternal rain, and crystal marrow, etc. It seems that gods always leave some remnant when they die. Likely Kusanali is just the remnant of the greater lord as there's no stated drastic effects from her death and Kusanali's birth is celebrated on the same day as the greater lord's death.
@Harry Shade Havria wasn't angry, she was technically safe in her home town as they were locked in. It was likely more despair she felt when she was killed. Still we can see the sword wielder died in the act of swinging the sword so she likely didn't even feel that. We have no reference of a God dying without leaving anything outside the gods we don't have land of like the Scarlet King (I think the corruption of the greater lord and the leylines likely was from the Scarlet King), the goddess of flowers, and the greater lord themself (though we do know all true padisarah died off with her and the waters had apparently turned black as did the rain so her remnants may have been confused with the general war).
Plus we know Makato didn't have regrets. In fact, it seems she fought with intent to die and left behind the sacred Sakura tree and her consciousness in the sword (where the seed came from). That is still a remnant of a god that is long dead.
Minor correction: from the sound of Zhongli's dialogue, no he can currently still make Mora, the gnosis might have helped him generate more but it's him being "dead" that's the heart of Teyvat's future currency crisis. He chooses not to make Mora for himself personally because he's trying to live as a mortal, but that's his own moral code. It ties nicely to your point about Venti and Zhongli are still the active archon of their nations, even with the fiction of Zhongli's death in Liyue. If tomorrow Zhongli decided he needed to make Mora, he could.
No he does need it, he thinks that he should have made some savings before he gave up the Gnosis after his "death", he just didn't think of it.
W h a t. Did we even read the same archon quest?
Zhongli literally says that he should've made a bunch of mora before he gave away his gnosis.
What’s scary isn’t death, but what happens after death lays a bigger impact ethically. In Teyvat, anything dead will be turned into memories to feed the leyline, but knowing every of those memories being turned into artifacts to be sold, used and wasted like everyday objects kinda disregard the whole formality of funeral, shrines, ect
My headcannon/theory:
Upon the death/acceptance of mortality of a god a world tree(and other plants) will sprout
Makoto was a gentle soul, she left behind the sacred sakura through a willing sacrifice
Rukhadevata and Zhongli were wise, their understanding of life and mortality was their "death" as gods and their trees were born.
B version of Rukhadevata is that her "tree" is Kusanali since their deep connection to the dendro element and Irminsul
Venessa was reborn as a god and left befind a massive oak tree.
Other special plantlife:
Massive glowing flowers in sumeru(legacy of the flower archon?)
big sentient mushroom tree in the chasm
the trees on tsurumi island
The violent and unwilling deaths of gods(and people) bring forth agressive plantlife, the regisvines and overabundance of leyline energy are manifestation of this, the so called "filth" that has to be purged or it will feed upon the living like a parasite.
The most vile corruption is in sumeru, the withering which manifests intself as scarlet flowers, the legacy of the scarlet king whose death was anything but peacefull, grief towards the goddess of flowers turned into madness
what has celestia to do with this?
nature as we know it is proably against the heavenly principles, since there the water and food tastes foul according to venti. gods were born without the intervention of celestia
I wonder if when we go to Natlan we'll get to see/learn more about the important characters that passed on, considering the cultural significance of fire (death and rebirth and all that)
... I'm totally not saying that cause I want an excuse to see more of La Signora
In the region teaser from a year ago Dain said that the Pyro archon would share some sort of secret or truth with the traveler. Might have something to do with the archon war.
“Incandescent Ode of Resurrection”
@@wtpiv6041 and of course we will have to beat her up, because how can the God of War pass on the opportunity to fight the glorious traveller who has already taken on several other gods 🧍♂️🧍♂️
@@icevee686 Maybe so. Or at least win some gladiator arena challenge to speak with her. Hydro archon will be valuable for that fight no doubt.
Just be warned, pyro archon goes by _Murata_ , and you know what happens to someone with that name
I think Makoto channelled the energy when she died into the sacred Sakura and Rukkadevata did something similar
When Decarabian died, his powers went immediately to the wind spirit Venti and he became the new anemo archon. I've always wondered why it was Venti who was chosen since, as a wind spirit, he was probably less powerful than any human in the city. I guess humans can't become archons? Or maybe the wind spirit was actually more powerful than i thought.
Except Decarabian wasn't an archon. He ruled Old Mondstadt, yes, but he was just the God of Storms. The title of Anemo Archon didn't exist until the resolution of the archon war for the remaining entity left, and same with the other archon titles. In reality there was another god-like being in Mondstadt who had the power to ascend as an archon and who had been in war with Decarabian before the humans killed him, and that was Andrius the Boreas Wolf. But Andrius doesn't like humanity much so he declined and went to the woods to live with the wolves. The wind sprite just took the chance to ask for the archon position since there was no one else left, and Celestia seemed fine by it. The powers Barbatos got aren't Decarabian's, but likely from Celestia (or maybe an extension of Istaroth's but that's a theory)
@@caparashon the way some people still refer to decarabian as first anemo archon after all these years and several ingame dialogues mentioning him just being the god of storms and venti being one of the original seven...
It was mentioned in lore that Venti's first bit of godly power came from the Gunnhildr clan's worship, when he answered their prayers after they tried to leave Decarabian's Mondstadt. Eventually his following grew and so did his power, so he was probably already quite powerful when they overthrew Decarabian. And when he formally received the Anemo gnosis, his power presumably increased further.
There's no evidence that Venti inherited any of Decarabian's power; there's no lore concerning what happened to Decarabian's power after he died. It's curious that despite being a powerful god and dying a violent death being murdered by his lover Amos, he didn't cause any sort of harm to Mondstadt. This is in contrast to Orobashi and Havria, both of whom caused a lot of harm upon death, despite being benevolent.
Maybe Venti had sealed Decarabian's remnant power in the ruins of old Mondstadt, in the unaccessible basement of Decarabian's tower. I hope we get lore on that someday.
@@Laev1gata At friendship lvl 5 it says that 'With the crumbling of an ancient seat of divinity, a new god was born. The Anemo Archon Barbatos felt power flowing at his fingertips.' It kinda sounds like his power did come from Decarabian though, at least part of it.
I've never thought of the cataclysm like this! Ohhhh this gives me so much to think about 👏🏻 Excellent theory!!!
Ei seems to be a real outlier to this theory. Makoto revived her after Ei sacrificed herself so Makoto could ascend. Only possible due to her residue being still around, which is only something that happens with gods. It is however odd that Ei didn't revive Makoto.
@Harry Shade Andrius seems to be more like a case of Gouba, if any with a then subsequent death. The uncertain part is, it's unknown if Ei just got straight up killed at that point or something else.
@@MagnonEntertain Andrius Boreas gives his life so that Venti/Barbatos could take up archonship. Andrius could not understand/deal with the people and had no intent or desire to rule, to evade conflict, he gives his life. He was originally next inline to the "throne" being physically more powerful than Venti. Idk much about the gnosis/archon status. I imagine ascendance is pretty autonomous though, hence the hurry for Andrius and Ei/Beelzebub to give their lives, despite being the next inline, to ascendance, idk, though, could be wrong.
Actually this video was made before 3.1 so I wanna clear something that is Dendro Archon never died, she just lost most of her power which made her transform back to a small child so it's safe to assume that she is indeed of the original seven archons, now I would also like to mention that Raiden can also be considered as pseudo original electro archon cuz she did half the work of electro archon and just didn't have a gnosis otherwise she can be considered as pseudo original archon
It's highly possible that's why the Tsaritsa was so offended/outraged by what Celestia did. She may have found out that's what Celestia intended.
They might have been sent to Khaenri'ah under the pretense to talk to the humans, possibly Zhongli, Venti, Makoto and Ruka were the only ones who knew that was likely not going to happen- since they were stated to be the only 4 left who won the Archon war- the other Archons at that time were stated to not be the original winners of the Archon war.
I think Zhongli stated that.
Though, he seemed to think Ei and Makoto were the same Archon before and after, just acting differently now- whether he never knew about Ei being Makoto's shadow double or if he knew of her existence at all and thought things were still the same and that Ei was still Makoto's shadow is unknown.
He seemed unaware that Ruka wasn't the only Archon killed at that time.
It was stated or implied by him, Ping and Cloud Retainer (and possibly Venti) that the gods ocassionally met in Cloud Retainer's garden at the table.
It was also implied that the Archon's lost contact after the Cataclysm- that he & Venti had known and been friendly with the replacement Archons for Fontain, Natlan and Snezhnaya before the Cataclysm.
So, I'm also curious about the originals who won the Archon war in those places.
How the seat changed hand- it's clear something went down in Fontain to cause the Oceanids(sp?) to refuse to abide by the change, causing them to leave Fontain all together.
Also, its suggested in Liyue (by Ningguang) that the humans assumed (until he visits Ningguang, Keqing and the others in their dreams) that Celestia chooses new Archons themselves- insinuating that the humans don't think the adeptai can/will/would fight for supremacy amongst themselves, to be chosen (incidentally- it felt like that's what Mountain Shaper & Moon Carver might have been considering. Then when their boss popped into their dreams and said: "No, really: I'm still here, boys" that they took vacations to cool themselves off- making Cloud Retainer salty that they left her out).
But back to Celestia - I think it's highly possible that they got the Archons (this doesn't mean all, obviously Venti, Zhongli, Makoto and likely Ruka knew something bad was likely going to happen) there under false pretenses with the specific intention on Celestia's part to be to use the Archons (by killing them) like living weapons, knowing full well that killing one or more of them might get rid of the people in that nation.
That would certainly explain why every archon seems hostile to Celestia.
Huh, just realized, each region had at least 3 gods. Andrius, Decarabian, and Venti for Mond. Morax, Guizhong, and Havria for Liyue. Orobashi, Baal, and Beelzebub for Inazuma. Flower Goddess, Scarlet King, and Rukkhadevata for Sumeru.
Also can't wait for what dragon esque creature we have to fight in Sumeru, we already have Dvalin from Mond, Azdaha from Liyue, and Thunder Bird from Inazuma (Orobashi is fully dead so eh).
Thunderbird? Not the Snake Puppy or the Primordial Vishaps?
@@randyjr.arsenio5624 Who is the Snake Puppy? Also, ya, Vishaps are actually a better dragon esque thing for Inazuma but they're not like, one big almost godly thing, there was only ever one Kapatchir but the Vishaps we're an entire race also I kinda just thought that Enka, Dragonspine, and Chasm should be counted as different regions.
Doesn't osial count as a god on liyue
@@lostit4795 I mostly counted the ones that ruled over people and the only thing I remember about Osial is that he's married and was beaten by Morax and Liyue
Liyue also had Marchosius, and multiple other gods that Morax has slain in the archon war
So essentially Zhongli and Venti ARE still the Archons of Liyue and Mondstadt respectively. Even without their gnosis.
For Zhongli giving up his gnosis simply meant giving up his active role in governing Liyue. For Venti, it pretty much made no difference, since he had always left Mondstadt to its own devices anyway.
This would mean that their gnosis is not what makes them Archons, but rather a token granted to them to symbolize their ascension to Archonhood. Like being rewarded with a medal to commemorate being granted some title.
Ei was there to hear Makoto's last words what if she might have prevented Makoto's burst of power and put it in a domain she made at that exact moment
"What happens when Gods Die?" I have a theory of my own about this, relating to another one but that's besides the point. True gods in the Hoyoverse don't die, they physically can't. You can reduce their forms so they can't do anything, but they could potentially rebound given the right circumstances.
What qualifies as a true god? Well that's the part I'm still working on, and have to do some cross referencing to nail it down, but I do believe that at least the Sustainer is a true god. Kiana always does become one. On the other hand I think beings like Havaria and some of the adepti are more so powerful beings that people worship, rather than a god.
I know I could probably explain this in more depth, but its late at night for me, and it would take a long time to explain in the first place.
Don't forget about Marchosius aka Guoba. THough he didn't die but rather dispersed his power while alive. But either way it seems that even when gods die they leave something of themselves behind. Such as the sacred Sakura. Also this is twice that the god of time Istaroth has helped 2 of the now "Dead" gods that died in the cataclysm. Which would take a lot of power as well and that god is now missing. Which goes along with the theories that she suffered the same fate as Guoba and might be either Paimon or Changsheng.
Either way though it seems that a god's "death" and the dispersal of their power are synonymous. One results in the other it's just a matter of what form they take after.
my feeds was and still full of "What Happens When The Queen Dies" topic. here I go. finally a video covering my curiosity
Before watching: I think there could/should maybe be a place in Khaenri'ah which is kinda like Seirai Island where Makoto died and possibly another area where it's either surreal or overgrown with forestry (or both) if Rukkhadevata did die in Khaenri'ah (but if Rukkhadevata died in Teyvat, we could have that area in the main world map)
"At least when your precious humans die, they're soul goes to another place. But when a god dies, there's nothing. Its just, absence."
I honestly wonder what death means in the world of Teyvat as presented to us: We know that bodys can freely be created. We also know that the leylines work as memory backup, since memories can be stored and recovered. We also know that at least Ei can place her consciousness in objects at will. I think it is likely that with Sumeru we will touch the subject of rebirth. The piece still missing is, how corrosion works. It seems to vary from case to case. Are only living things affected or does it also affect the stored memories? Maybe the Akasha system in the end was meant to save memories from corrosion...
I think the only true death in Teyvat is the curse placed on Khaenr'iah, where the hilichurls can't be accepted by the leylines and they slowly corrode/wither away until they go somewhere to die and stop existing.
I’m so happy you did this video because I recently wrote on another video about this!!! My theories were:
“After watching the Assassination part again, after playing the Sumeru update I have some speculations…
So they found the new Dendro Archon after the previous had died in the calamity which was 500 years ago. The new Archon is only 500 years old this would mean that the Archon is reborn as a baby as soon as the old Archon passes kind of like Avatar The Last Airbender. So that would make Assassination of a previous Hydro Archon impossible unless the current Hydro Archon is an imposter.
Next, Zhonglis death as an Archon wouldn’t trigger the birth of a new Archon since he technically didn’t die. BUT would ppl still be looking for the new Geo Archon because of his supposed death?
But the there’s the case of Inazuma where Ei and Makoto are twins. Makoto was the original Archon and when she died the power passed to Ei so is it more like a monarchy? And how did they decide which twin was the Archon? Did they have to battle it out? Or did Makotos death trigger the birth of a new Electro Archon but no one knows because they assume Ei would just be the new Archon?”
(I reworded some things but you get the gist!)
My other this is…. How did they know Kusanali was the new Dendro Archon? If it was put into ATLA-esque terms then the way they would know was her being able to pick out former Dendro Archons toys/items.
I still have a lot of questions so hopefully it will all clear up. But I also have another theory!!! I wish there was some way to get ahold of you so I could tell you because It literally came to me in a dream 😴
Any-hoooooo thanks 🙏🏻
Two things, one liyue has a vested interest in being free of the archons. That becomes a new goal after the situation during the archon quest gets resolved.
Also I could be wrong but the only people who talk about the dead electro archon are the other archons, who have extra knowledge, while the citizens of inazuma act as if the shogun never changed. How would they even know as they were twins. Also the twins decided amongst themselves that makoto would be the ruler, while Ei would serve as the secret sword
@@isdrakon9802 yes you are right, the citizen of Inazuma never knew that their archon had a twin so when makato died and ei took over, no one noticed
@@isdrakon9802 thank you for clearing this up, I just started Asters other video and was like, “I should go back a read the lore” 😂😂😂
Have you ever said something about contaminated ley lines? If ley lines are not only the biggest source of power on Teyvat but is also made of memories, then what are the contaminated parts? For example the mud on the chasm, the contamination on the Sakura tree, etc. My hypothesis is that is ley line energy coming from eroded memories. This energy gets unstable with time afecting the host like the archons. Thid memories that would get ussually purified (like on the Sakura tree) and reused to hold new memories and gift power, but if a masive amount of corrupted energy is pumped into the ely lines for example during the dead of a god or some atack that disturves the normal flow (like the nails or the thunder bird attacks) sending corrupted energy everywere on chaotic ways
Thank you for this aster! It's funny how whenever I have a question about the lore or write notes about it you make a video of the same topic. Also regarding this topic there's the Issue of Andrius and Decarabian, like, why do all the deaths of the gods of other nations seem so devastating to the environment and the people around it, while in Mondstalt we have pretty well preserved ruins considerating that a good died around it and many people survived
I wondered if Morax died for real would everyone at the Rite of descension site would be immediately petrified even grass flowers and bamboo
Thank you for another chill session, very interesting topic today. Have a good day everyone
7:30 all gods have something conected to their gnosis right? what is barbatos's? what is conected to his?
Ngl, i always thought it would be cool if, like how thor works in the marvel comics, as long as someone believes in them, they can use that hope to regenerate their bodies. The amount of regen depends on the amount of belief they have.
It would be cool as they draw their strength from beliefs, so in that, they become tied to their peoples beliefs.
But, them not being able to return from death does give them a more human feel.
The archons already do that though, it's stated that the strength of an archon is directly correlated to how involved in the rule of their respective nations
@@yuchen2478
Isnt this whole video about what hapoens when archons die?
Them regenerating because someone believes in them(btw i already know and stated their strength depends on ppl believing in them) would make this video invalid.
Btw u know what i mean when i say regenerate right?
@@chriss.249 Oh i wasn't talking about the regenerative thing but the power from beliefs haha
@Harry Shade yes, but the point still stands too
Maybe you're on something here, like i don't think Zhongli or other entities can regenerate themselves but in the case of Venti who became a god because of faith and seems to be the less afraid of erosion could be possible, especially if we think about how he goes to the tree on Windrise to heal himself 👀
I wonder if it matters which part of the god dies. We can see that there's sometimes a separation in which part of the god dies. Andrius gave up his body meaning it "died" but his spirit still exists and is sentient. Makoto's body died in Khaenr'iah but the last of her spirit inhabited Ei's sword and so she didn't fully die at that point in time. Orobashi, Havria, and Guizhong seem to have fully perished in both spirit and body. Rukkhadevata isn't fully confirmed yet, but she might be a case of bodily death with some spirit still living. I don't think we've seen a case of a god whose spirit died but their body is still around like Genshin's version of Godwyn, but I suppose it could happen eventually. So I wonder if the consequences or the severity of the consequences vary based on how the god dies. E.g., is it less severe if only their body dies? Or does a huge energy blast only happen if their body and spirit die suddenly at the same time? Does the energy blast only happen if they die violently like Havria who was murdered? Does a god's willingness to die affect whether there's a huge energy blast or similar; Makoto went into Khaenr'iah knowing, and therefore accepting, that she would probably die, so did that make a difference to the consequences of her death?
On a side note, I think the huge energy blast or other consequences as a result of a god's death is why Genshin can't kill off Venti or Zhongli, at least until close to the end of the story. In conversations about who is death-flagged in Genshin, I've seen them come up with some regularity. But, for game continuity, they can't be killed off for a long time yet, if at all. As Aster pointed out, if Zhongli died in Liyue it would be like a nuke went off and the whole area, possibly the whole country would cease to exist. They can't change the world like that then have you able to play in the region as normal, and wiping a whole region off the amp seems bad for business; you lock yourself out of characters, further story etc. So, if Venti and/or Zhongli do die in the story, they would have to die outside their nation, probably in Khaenr'iah or Celestia as part of the final push, or Genshin would have to circumvent them nuking a whole country through some very contrived plot armor. So I think they're unlikely to get killed off anytime soon, if at all.
Hi Aster, I've some questions.
If you don't need a Gnosis to bear the Archon title and rule a nation, and according to Venti, it is an external magical thingy which directly resonates with Celestia, what purpose does a Gnosis exactly serve besides having those quirks like minting Mora, running the Akasha system etc?
Why does it exist if it's so trivial a matter for Celestia to care about in terms of Archon-hood?
Unrelated but I freakin love your voice sm. Idk why, but your voice is just amazing.
One more question: if is truly Celestia in charge of ordering/assigning Archons.... why we have 3 archons that either resigned the gnosis severing relationships with Celestia on purpose ( Ei and Zhongli), one Archon "lost" it....and Celestia did not bat an eyelid? Celestia did not try to bring the stray Archons back, not punished them or punished the fatui or the Tsaritsa for igniting a rebellion...Nothing.
Hu Tao probably just buries them and makes bank, that's why Zhongli puts the tab for Wangsheng funeral parlor /J
Celestial is not even from Teyvat, this makes me think how only archons and those with visions are able to ascend to Celestia, original gods or the primordial ones cannot or did not… this begs the question; what is Teyvat’s true heaven? Is there a heaven and/or hell? The lore of this game is just so fascinating
dont we know already through zhong lis quest with the salt god.....their energy remains throughout the world and they have the potential to return. Im guessing theyd have to pool their energy back together which would take an incredibly long time which is why its better to think of them as dead.
I have a very interesting question. What abt the dendro "allogenes"? Aren't they supposed to be next in lime to be selected as an archon by celestia? If not then why ascend them to celestia and not jst let them die?
It's ironical how Inazuma's archon changed 500 years ago and no one knows about it and how Sumeru's archon didn't change, yet everyone thinks she got replaced lol 😂😂
I love your writing so damn much!!!
You mean to tell me Zhongli could've been a huge bomb that turns an entire city into nothing but rock?
Imagine if Kusanali was a khanrian child who just happened to be nearby when the dendro archon died. Crackhead theory, I know, but wouldn’t it be fucking SICK? It would also explain why the sages refuse to accept her as the new archon. They see her as a lackluster replacement, and the one guilty of their God’s death.
It’s probably impossible, but it would be so fucking cool.
now, we speak about humanoid gods, orobashi, chi of yore and durin (if he classified as one) left behind skeletal body, I wanna answer that all gods are elemental being thus they will back being one with element in nature but then orobashi struck out
I belive gnosis is the key to enter Celestia, for every ruling archon one, same as we have always one of anemo/geo etc oculus ..
That is gonna be are key for Celestia.
About old dendro Archon, no one knows if she is dead and since Zhongli's story we know that God's can change they appearance.
Cryo archon was there , and she changed after the cataclysm , and after dendro archon was missing
Another interesting subject. There are so many unanswered questions its become quite confounding yet again. I can't wait to explore the parallels between Kusanali and Venti or revisit the passing of Archon status between Baal and Ei. As another commentator mentioned the question of why the Archons have a succession when the other defeated God's do not is also an interesting topic to dissect.
Sumeru has already left us with several lore bombs to unravel. Like Katherine being a Snezhnayan puppet and how the Akademia is operating far to closely to the sciences of Khaenriah. So much to explore.
Could you remember the mist island and how we see ruins in which celestia seens absent? It much seens that celestia is a foreign force that make teyvat a empire, and put the Archons as rulers. Mabey that's why the other gods need no succession, because celestia want only one ruler per region (and that also explain the archon wars, all God's fighting to become the archon of the land, so to not die)
I feel like Rukkadevata didn't really die, and instead somehow preserved herself to be resurrected as Nahida - or even not resurrected entirely, maybe it's the same situation as with the stove god?
Lmao did you see the leak? This is exactly what the leak says
@@Redheisenberg i did not, I don't indulge in story leaks, only kits
Congrats you're kinda right
This sound like a great title to a story, gonna put it on my notebook
The details of the Goddess Of Flowers' death haven't been given, but what if it wasn't so much a normal god's death so much as she was giving her memories and power to the Irminsul?
Two question. Kusanali is born as the second dendro archon after rukadhevata. But what about the other other gods? The God of sand, goddess of flower, dust, and salt. Why is there no new deity of this respective element born to replace them like kusanali did? Does the birth cycle only apply to the archons? Or does celestia has a way to prevent new deity of threse element.... or any other deity outside of the seven from being born? Assuming that the archon war purpose is indeed to reduce the population of gods. If not.... Then surely now we would have heard of at least the existence of a living gods outside of the seven roaming somewhere in the genshin universe.
Second, supposed Morax did in Liyua..... And a new geo archon were born, do you think that the qixing gonna do? Do you think that their going to treat the new archon like the sages did to Nahida? Or Will they hand over the Governing of Liyue to the new archon? Thank you.
From the Liyue Archon quest and Perilous Trail quest, afaik the adepti and Qixing know that Rex Lapis is alive, just retired. I think he already told them that he wishes for humans to rule over Liyue and stop being reliant on him, which is the point of Liyue's arc.
@@seonsunnysunshine thank you but my second question is "suposed that Morax did die." I realised that not all my words are shown in the comments.
"death is eternal in this game"
me: *pulls out fried egg*
"I beat the system"
Really?
Everytime my Zhongli dead,
I don't see any AOE dmg created
The death of Makoto causes the grow of the Sacred Sakura Tree because of her ideology as a god, and her strong will to protect her people. She also used the remaining of her powers to empower the Musou Isshin and stored her consciousness within the sword to help Ei understand her sister's meaning of eternity.
So, similar to God Of War but at a weaker scale, they die and create giant explosion which made an area of effect cursing mortals
What happens when the god of Celestia dies?:
They don't die 😈
While it is insinuated that Rukkedavhata died, as far as I remember, it is never explicitly said. I doubt this was a mistake.
Going back to this video after a month from the archon quests, knowing the truth that Kusanali = Rukkhadevata
I wonder what really counts as a God in genshin? I hear that even Adepti in Liyue technically counts as Gods
if celestia killed makoto and rukkhadevata as like some sort of atomic bomb to destroy khaenriah... what i am curious about is whether or not those two were against celestia and voiced it so celestia killed them as an example
Wonder how powerful prime andrius is. Well, he's freezed outside of old monstadt he's the only god that had two elements. We need more monstadt lores four winds especially old monstadt.
Ei was revived by Makoto right? Ei died during archon war but was revived to be Makoto's kagemusha.
Andrius' soul lingers in wolvendom
Havria went poof
Decarabian also poofed
Marchosias had an amnesia and is in Guoba form
Bet: Rukkadevata is kusanali. just have similar "death" with guoba
Im actually curious about the Ei part since thats the reason I opened this video, cause I needed others with opinions on it. It says that Ei sacrificed her form so Makoto can be the formal Archon. Honestly, the whole process of the Kagemusha is strange since Makoto "recalled Ei's" will.
But why cant Ei do the same the other way around? Makoto did it because she "remembered" the bond. So why was Makoto's death permanent? Was Ei ever truly brought back? Is this just another shogun situation? Or did Ei never truly die which is why Makoto can "recall her divine will"? It's so vague which is why I'm so curious about it
@@ChillwithAster I think the Archon war's condition to declare someone an Archon is to have any other gods on their respective region be "gone" and let them be the last god standing.
Mond: when rebellion of Venti-Andrius faction won against Decarabian, they decided who to be Archon. Andrius chose to dissipate his powers. Basically depowered. Leaving Venti the only god left
Liyue: Zhongli destroyed the other gods with the help of Guizhong being the brains. Guoba depowered. Osial presumably killed Guizhong (flood in Guili). Havria betrayed by her people. Zhongli sealed Osial (basically depowered)
Inazuma: Orobashi live in harmony with Makoto and Ei but in order for Makoto to be Archon, Orobashi hid to Enkanomiya and Ei has to "die" or depowered to just being a kagemusha.
Sumeru: Goddess of flowers died. Scarlet king went nuts (im still trying to absorb the books about scarlet king) probably sealed in his tomb. Leaving Rukkhadevata to be the only God left in Sumeru. Still betting Rukkhadevata depowered to be kusanali.
wai Ei died? this never mentioned in Archon quest, only from Treasured Tales of the Chouken Shinkageuchi, who wrotes the book? most people doesn't even know their Archon was twin let alone writing a book about it, and I'm sure not Yae Miko since she wouldn't even born yet
@@rzkyJR I mean, the validity of that book is at the same level as the artifact lore and weapon lore validity. Nothing in genshin is certain, but if there is evidence in the game somewhere that suggests something and there's *nothing* to fact check it against, then we can do nothing about it. So many good theories come from book lore, like the Ballad of the Breeze and the lore of the Bamboo Lit Forest.
@@ChillwithAster yes so many hidden lores behind all those books and artifact, had not I seen this comment I wouldn't have known either, I mean even Ei herself stated that the books is fairly accurate, it just surprised me and makes me wonder who the author is because of the information and content inside it lol, and since some lore books had author's name or folktales sources, this books author might be Ei herself, I mean the cover
Just wondering, there are seven elements in teyvat so there are seven nations, does this mean that the gods who takes a seat gain the respective elemental power but already have some sort of divine power prior to having the title of an archon? For example if the salt god was the one who took morax's place only then would she gain the power of geo but still has the salt bae power?
I believe they are all supposed to be elemental beings by nature, and they were granted the title Archon of "element" based on that. Venti was already a wind spirit, Zhongli was a dragon who could command earth (ex. crafting Azhdaha's body from stone), Ei and Makoto are the manifestations of lightning, Ruka and Nahida's minds are connected to an ancient tree.
So if Andruis chose to become Archon he could of became God of wind or ice. Havria would be Geo Archon since salt is a mineral, so on and so forth.
I wonder if Venti dies would everyone commit a massive breathing debuff
*if* right?
Rukkadivatta is kusonali
Didn’t ei get resurrected after Makoto won the archon war and took the seat as electro archon??
Kusanali dies: massive memory wipe.
Ei dies: Insane lightning storms strike all of Inazuma, worse than the Red Fog of Tsurumi Island.
Zhongli dies: Explodes into paper confetti from every contact Liyue has known.
Venti dies: lets out a 500 year old fart, like a Stinking Could spell that smothers all of Monstadt.
My guess: Think God of War III after Kratos kills a God….basically as a mortal, you don’t wanna be anyway near them when it happens. Especially if a God is corrupted in someway
I imagine that when an archon dies their physical bodies turn to dust, like the non-human enemies. When an Archon dies and Celestia has to replace them, they take the dust and morph a new one.
For Baal and Ei, I think that because Ei was already there to replace Baal, Celestia didn’t have to create a new Archon, and thats why Baal is able to interact with Ei when we got the Raiden boss.
Because Greater Lord Rukkhadevata died without a living successor, Celestia made Lesser Lord Kusanali with her dust, and thats why we’ve only seen her in memories and Nahida looks like Rukkhadevata so much she could basically be her but younger.
Of course this isn’t backed up by any evidence I just think it’d be cool.
They arghon?
Scarlet king... time to call the Foundation.
Can a god be in control of the effects of their death ? The scarlet king died to protect his people so wouldn’t his power have affected the desert be becoming more desert? Instead his death sealed the dark knowledge for some time until Nahida could help
Update the previous dendro archon is still alive just shrank into the present nahida just Liek guoba they shrank
The Gnosis of an Archon to me seems to be a way of serving those the deity governs ; Morax's allows for the creation of Mora, which so far it has been proven the humans can live without,and it certainly doesn't seem to be important to the Archon who holds it. It seems more of a 'quality of life' thing that they can adjust to live without - such as the Akasha terminal simply being an extension of knowledge, rather than something required to live with. I suspect this is also why Barbatos doesn't really care about his Gnosis being taken,and why Morax and Beelzebul gave theirs away,simply because it isn't *needed* for them to serve as an Archon.
[ This also makes me raise the question as to why the Tsaritsa may be collecting them,if they aren't particularly worth anything ]
Isn't it saied that allogens(vision holders) can becom arcons
Quick question. Didn't Madame Ping said that a God never truly dies during the moon chase festival. I could be wrong but that is what I remembered.
Celestia has no claim on the dead, and on their souls. In Hu Tao's story, an unknown had touch her, and this is an unknown God, and was not specified as connected to the heavens above.
Has there been an explanation or confirmation on how Archons are chosen?
havria go kaboom when they died
This also raises the question, why didn't the other gods get "reborn"? Ex: The god of dust.
So Andrius isn't included? He was powerful enough to be considered a candidate for Anemo Archon like Decerabian, and Barbatos eventually, but he turned it down and chose to die. The Andrius we fight every week is just his ghostly form that still has a limited effect on reality, though that does get me wondering if his bones are underneath his arena....
what happens when a god dies?
you feed them a teyvat fried egg and curse because you lost all your burst energy T_T
Very interesting topic
How about that aranara foreshadowing and gouba, they spent their power and makes their memories erased
i can predict tsaritsa will probably die along the quadrilategod
If Kusanali was created through the powers of the Greater lord and Istaroth could it be possible that the Greater Lord Rukhadevata saw the future with her power of wisdom or istarith's power of time and that's why she wants people to forget her so ger existence alone doesn't end up burdening Kusanali the way it does now.
Also we know that whoever comes in contact with the Greater Lord's conciousness while gaining knowledge from Irminsol goes mad, could that be because the conciousnrss is trying a forced memory erasure but since the conciousness is infected/contaminated it corrupts the victims mind making them go mad.
Rukhadevatta is kusanali
"But what about goths?" They love morbid death stuff, obviously. Speaking from experience.
Sounds a lot like Traveler is eventually gonna have to mercy kill the Archons before they completely erode.
isn't it et set ra?
*Venti dies* mondstat *wine storage actually fill up for once*
"So what about the Gnosis?"
*Shows Aether on screen*
😂😂😂 I couldn't help but laugh xD
I'm more confused about what happens to the humans when they die, have they mentioned what happens in the lore ? If so I haven't seen it.
yay new post and woah im early
who was Khaneriah's god or gods? uhmmm
What is a God but simply a being with superior powers? Are we as humans not Gods to numerous species on Earth? Perhaps not to the point of worship, but we are significantly more powerful than most species. The Adepti may as well be considered Gods themselves. Though at this point I would probably consider them quasi-gods, and the Archons demigods.
The regional Gods as we know them are simply beings with more power that chose to influence the lesser beings. Yet we already know there are beings above what we call the Gods in Teyvat. And we know there are other forces at work beyond just Celestia and the "Gods" linked to it.
To know what happens when a true God dies, or if they even could die, we need to look beyond the Archons, though some hints could be in their lore. Enkanomiya is the major source of knowledge in that so far, though perhaps more will be explained in Sumeru later, as they would like have some memories in the Irminsul tree.
Andrius! You forgot the first dead god we encountered. He chose to let his physical form die and return to the land. Please fix this huge oversight.
Did u listen to the intro? Gods are archons in this conversation, andrius was never an archon.
@Harry Shade she wasnt being compared to an archon she was being used to show the drastic difference between them😭😭don't y'all listen when watching video😭😭 she was used to say if someone who isn't an archon can cause this damage imagine wat an archon could do
Osial and Beisht ...
Someone once said "People die when they are killed". I don't know if this applies to gods.
That's the way it should be
I expecting a god of death in Grisha Impact like Hades in Greek mythology.
World forget me