Johnny Marr Talks Guitars & A Life In Music
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- Опубліковано 16 тра 2024
- We travel to the guitar icon’s studio for a fascinating interview and some classic guitar tones!
Welcome to the show! It is indeed a huge day for That Pedal Show. Johnny Marr has had a profound, steering influence on music since his band The Smiths burst onto the scene in the early 1980s. What followed were stints with The Pretenders, The The, Electronic, Modest Mouse and The Cribs among others, alongside countless sessions and a continuing successful solo career.
We are absolutely delighted to be able to bring you this show from Johnny’s studio where he walks us through a handful of his most iconic guitars in around plenty of chat about his musical journey to date.
Needless to say, we are immensely grateful for the time and warm welcome, plus a special thanks to Rich Henry for all his help.
We’re super proud to bring you this show - enjoy!
Two important things to check out…
'Spirit Power: The Best Of Johnny Marr' is released 3rd November via BMG - johnnymarr.lnk.to/SpiritPowerPR
'Marr's Guitars' is published by Thames & Hudson from 17th October - uk.bookshop.org/p/books/marr-...
Pedals & stuff in this episode
• Carl Martin AC Tone
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• Carl Martin Plexi Tone
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• Boss GT-1000 Core
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• Boss RC-5 Loop Station
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Interesting bits and go-to sections
0:00 Intro and hello!
1:22 Story of the Marr’s Guitars book
4:30 The catharsis of revisiting guitars
5:48 1977 Gretsch 7680 Super Axe - the first Smiths guitar
10:24 1982 Rickenbacker 330
13:15 This Charming Man, aged 19
15:20 Early obsession with guitar culture
27:30 Taking it seriously… aged 15
31:40 The 1960 Gibson ES-355
37:00 Sensibilities of the songwriter
48:28 Fully formed or always evolving?
51:55 Overdrive?
54:16 1963/4 Epiphone Casino - How Soon Is Now?
1:01:25 1984 Fender Telecaster Giffin Custom Korina
1:03:30 1984 Gibson Les Paul Standard - arpeggio!
1:06:47 The Nine Pickup 1978 Fender Stratocaster
1:09:35 The The, Electronic and personal evolution
1:14:20 1965 Fender Jaguar
1:20:54 Beginning of the signature Fender Jaguar
1:29:52 Singing?
1:33:40 Copping a bit of Johnny’s sound?
1:38:25 Pedals and effects?
Guitars in the episode
Buy Johnny’s book to get the full info - link above
Amp in the episode
• Fender ’65 Deluxe Reverb (modern reissue with standard speaker)
Close mic’d with Austrian Audio OC18, plus stereo room mics
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The importance of this interview is massive. Johnny Marr is one of the most influential and creative guitar players ever.
This will go into music archives for future musicians and music history for sure.
Far from it...
@@dilesmavis1196clown
Agreed. A generation of kids in their bedrooms learning to play coz of his licks.....now that's awesome
@@dilesmavis1196 delusional
Seriously boys, you've gone to another level with the Noel & Johnny interviews. Just awesome. Congratulations and cheers!!!
100% Two awesome interviews
And the Graham Coxon interview!
Yes, you're right, and my favourite of all time with Ed O'Brien. But for me, it feels like it's a step up for the boys, going out and interviewing these guys, so well handled, look out Rick Beato 😂 @@sunepedersen8537
After Noel and Johnny the next logical step would be someone like Pete Townshend... could you imagine how brilliant that'd be?
Same here!
00:03 Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others
7:03 Hand In Glove
7:31 Jeane
7:54 This Night Has Opened My Eyes
10:56 What Difference Does It Make
12:08 Accept Yourself
14:12 This Charming Man
18:01 That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore (ish)
23:49 The Boy With The Thorn In His Side
32:51 Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now
35:25 Girl Afraid
40:28 Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before
55:15 How Soon Is Now
58:07 Nowhere Fast
1:02:45 The Headmaster Ritual
1:05:17 That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore
1:35:25 New Town Velocity
1:37:10 Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others
Brilliant - thank you!
That’s awesome, thanks so much
@@ThatPedalShow Thank you for this amazing video, very useful for us Johnny Marr fans that try to learn his riffs
A few more:
53:02 London (the Smiths)
1:16:30 Dashboard (Modest Mouse)
1:17:49 We've Got Everything (Modest Mouse)
1:24:29 Soldier of Fortune (Bryan Ferry)
1:26:09 We Share the Same Skies (Cribs)
Mate. Yes. Thank you.
Hearing the Smiths riffs without Andy Rourke really highlights how well they complemented each other. Marr is just a wonder, a force of nature and of good things.
@joelance - totally in agreement with you. Marr is a legend (of course), but I think Rourke's influence and contributions to "that sound" is underappreciated. Their partnership made some amazing music. There is a lot of great music over the decades, but very few songs (and fewer bands) that I can listen to hundreds of times over decades and still be moved by. And The Smiths is definitely one of those. The collaboration of those 4 guys was really, really special. This was a fantastic watch - nearly 2 hours and I could have listened for a lot longer.
Andy Rourke was just as much a genius on bass as Johnny is on guitar. Still hard to believe he left us so young :(
Great interview, fantastic guitarist ,also the man doesn't appear to age.
Also, R.I.P. Andy; he's as criminally underrated a bass player as Johnny is beloved a guitarist.
Thank you for that. May he rest in peace.
The Andy / Johnny combo is so good it’s almost criminal. They lock into each other so well.
Andy's bass playing is exceptional.
Marr alludes to it, but please go and listen to Andy Rourke's bassline on That joke isn't funny anymore. Absolutely sublime. RIP Andy 🖤
I wouldn’t say underrated so much as just criminally unknown. In indie circles he get full respect and recognition. It’s just that The Smiths aren’t exactly a household name outside of “alternative” music. And thats just as tragic. He really was a giant.
You've made a lot of people very happy in a world that's gone to shit. Mega kudos to you guys.
So well said 🎉
I met him and we talked guitars for a minute. Reminded me of that time Chris Farley interviewed Paul McCartney on SNL.
Noel Gallagher. Johnny Marr. The triple header would be John Squire.
Nick McCabe?
Well put!
I am a fellow survivor of St Augustine’s Grammar in Sharston Manchester UK, The school JM and Andy Rourke attended. I was in the same year, same class as Andy but different to JM. I never thought it weird that hey played guitar. Often would go in the music room and listen to them during lunch. Even at 14, this guy was seriously, seriously good.
I believe that no matter how this world might have evolved, that Johnny Marr was always going to have been considered a very important guitarist.
Love this show. Thanks
Wow. Coxon, Gallagher and now Marr... All my guitar idols on TPS. Sterling work fellas, what an utter joy.
Need to do U2’s The Edge next! He is good friends with Noel. Use that connection to make it happen
Hoping for John Squire... although he's not exactly a talkative guy
As an enormous Smiths fan (I’ve seen Morrissey live 40+ times) this is just a total gift. A very emotional watch. Thanks Mick and Dan.
@thatpedalshow This was unreal. Can you please extend an invite to Will Sergeant? Will and Marr are for me, the ultimate.
@@bleeknoirsecond that!
@@bleeknoir3rd!
4th 😂
@@bleeknoirF I F T H!!
Hearing Johnny Marr say "that's what the guitar made me play", " I have no business playing that" -- clearly knows music theory and scales and plays his feelings. A really great illustration of the creative process.
I like how Johnny will start to explain something and then midway through just cuts himself off and starts playing, he really does let his music speak for itself
One of the most effortlesly cool guitar heroes there has ever been.
Simply THE greatest ever episode of 'That Pedal Show'.
He's still got his enthusiasm for where a guitar can take him from all those years ago. His candle still burns bright.
I guess you could say it’s a light that never goes out?
The brilliance here is hearing these seemingly meandering chord changes and codas, which feel loose and wayward in nature, BUT are so inviting of melody that they fuse into something iconic - genius songwriting.
i'm always surprised when i look at the subscribers icon and realise they don't have over a million.
The best British guitarist ever.fight me
OK you win😂
Nick McCabe (but Marr is fab too)
Jeff Beck imo, but I love Johnny Marr too.
Not sure I’d stop at British
You must not play guitar
This is ridiculously good. Seeing Mick and Dan’s faces every time Johnny plays…
Agreed. I'm listening in work. I'm sneaking a look at my phone when a new guitar is presented and also to see Mick and Dan's faces when Mr. Marr plays.
Absolutely brilliant, really enjoyed seeing this along with Coxon and Gallagher.
Can i be cheeky to request Robert Smith of The Cure to have an episode 😅
Come on Cure fans, maybe if there are enough likes it could be considered!
+1 👍
Well you guys have surpassed yourselves, first Noel G and now Johnny Marr - this is the way to go for the channel - let guitar legends nerd out about their love for all things guitar - we love it 🎸❤️🙌🏻👍🏻
Who would be Next if you had a wish list?
@@John.Charles sadly not possible but would have been fascinating to have this type of chat with Kurt Cobain - Guthrie Govan is always interesting to hear from
Don't forget graham coxon
Who next?.... well I'd say Richard Thompson.....or paul weller....or how about Billy Bragg?...I know he's not a guitar nerd....but I think his playing..especially on his first 2 albums was pretty interesting and he's underrated....levi stubbs tears....the man in the iron mask...St Withins day...the staterday boy...all good sounds and songs...John squire....Abriz Abrams......Suzanne vega....Steve craddock......Richard Hawley....hank marvin.....Bruce welch....Joe brown....
And pete Townshend....bet he's got some nice guitars...
@@paulcartwright2810 Love the idea of Richard Thompson, one of my heroes, but he's not always a great interview. Marc Ford, late of the black crowes? Tim Renwick?
Was gratified to hear Johnny give a shout-out to John McGeoch of the Banshees.
Writing some of the best songs of all time at 19. An absolute genius, the best British guitarist of all time
It's so funny watching Dan's reactions the moment a song's melody becomes recognizable on each of the guitars it was recorded on. I felt the same way.
Noel and Johnny, two legends of our music history, thank you so much TPS!!!!
Noel’s not even in the same league 😂
@@sub-jec-tivyou're trying to compare two very different things there. They just happen to play guitars and be from Manchester.
@@sub-jec-tivstill a legend
@@sub-jec-tivwell that's just not even remotely true is it?
Bernard would be much closer to Johnny than Noel, but still no Johnny..
Probably the only one guitarist that can always put a smile on people’s face.
I've never really listened to any of Johnny Marr's music, but after watching this video, I'm definitely a fan of Johnny Marr and have lots of research to catch up on 🙂
I never wanted this to end 😂😂😂👍👍👍😍😍😍
Neither did we! 🤗
As a person who lacks the virtuoso skills but loves to play through my emotions, this episode was life changing. To have a legend like Johnny and two of my guitar heroes talk about guitars having their own song, such great stuff. I expect to rewatch this episode often.
It's a real testament to how good the show is, that people like Johnny Marr are more than happy to come on here and get into the weeds. Another great show, thanks Dan and Mick!
Loved that he mentioned the underrated John McGeoch as an influence. Love Johnny Marr and such a huge influence on my own playing along with John McGeoch.
You can really see the obvious influence of McGeoch in his playing
My favorite episode thus far. As a 15 year old kid in 1985 on a farm in Iowa, USA, I somehow got on to the Smiths, (its a very long way from Manchester in so many ways). They were a big part of my life, like so many other bands, and a pig part of why and what i like about guitar. A week or so ago I had dusted them off and was listening to them for fun and for how he played the Ric and here comes TPS with this fantastic interview. Learned a ton and that it always wasn't the Ric. Can identify with the obsession as well. Thank you Mick and Dan and of course, Johnny.
The riff of ‘some girls’ is just beautiful!
Blimey I didn’t see this coming ! Thanks 🙏🏻
Just over an hour into this, and had to edit. What a humble man Johnny is. He has been so quick to sing other people’s praises and give credit where it was due. What a gentleman.
Johnny “modest” Marr
Johnny is the reason I picked up a guitar back in 1983. This is a phenomenal interview and Johnny is so down to earth and humble. Always in my Top 5 all time guitarists. Thanks guys!!
The best Johnny Marr interview I've ever seen. By obsessives for obsessives - and fans who want the details. I actually have tears in my eyes as I write this (yes, I'm prone to over sentimentality!). Thank you so much.
And thanks Johnny. Your musicality, fluidity, arpeggios, riffs and progressions have run through my mind for 40 years. And the fact that I can now play a lot of them still quietly stuns me occasionally. At the time your playing was simply voodoo to me.
And yeah John McGeoch was astounding. Spellbound. Jesus.
Marr…..one of the most underrated songwriters of our time
What? Lol
that word again...
Awesome show, thank you guys.
After Coxon, Gallagher and Marr, next up has to be Bernard Butler.😉
I love that he cited Dave Gregory as being an influence. It’s great to hear that hero getting the recognition he deserves.
it made me so happy too, Dave deserves so much love
Every single time I've seen Johnny speak / perform or be interviewed, he radiates with passion, knowledge, humility, politeness and kindness. A true gent and a living legend of music and pop culture. Great interview guys. Thanks so much!
Its the mark of a man who is so quick to give praise to the various people he works with while playing down his own talent. For Johnny Marr its all about the music and you just know that if you were mates he'd make you feel ten feet tall.
John McGeogh name check is always welcome. Those first three Magazine records are my guitar text books
I love the way Marr would occasionally look at these guys as if to say 'Do you know this one?' OF COURSE WE KNOW THAT ONE!
Back in 2009-10 I used to let Mike Joyce use my little studio in Didsbury to record his Alternative Therapy radio show, he used to tell me about The Smiths days and listening to Johnny its like hearing his blood brother talk. Fucking brilliant.
The perfect tonic for a wet, windy and stormy Friday. Johnny is my favourite guitarist and has been for decades. Massive thanks to both of you for this. Thanks to Johnny too for being so accommodating and generous with his time.
I really want a reissue of that Gretsch!!!
Love that he mentioned Be Bop Deluxe (Bill Nelson) such an underrated band & guitarist
Thank you Dan and Mick as well as Johnny Marr for this great video. I was very friendly with Seymour Stein @ Sire records. He would always bring in the different groups that he would sign and let them pick out guitars at our three stores on west 48th street NYC. He brought in my friend David Byrne and Tina Weymouth. The Ramones Dee Dee Ramone , Chrisssie Hynde and Johnny Marr. to name a few greats. Thank you Johnny Marr for mentioning We Buy Guitars and for buying your Gibson ES355 from us. Regards RIchard Friedman from We Buy Guitars / Stuyvesant Music
My face is sore from so much grinning.what a fantastic episode.a true guitar hero to me and always will be.Thanks to Johnny and the guys.Amazing.
OH MY GAWD!!! My guitar hero on my favorite UA-cam show! Well done, boys. I cannot watch this now. I don’t really have time tonight, but that doesn’t matter anymore…
Plug for something I might actually buy, respectful interviewers who don’t butt in, not rushed to try and please the algorithm. Solid! Try to get John Squire on 👀
The acknowledgment of Bert Jansch as an influence was a revelation.
He changed the game, actually, he invented a new one. Though, he wouldn't admit it..just goes to confirm that Johnny is more than a living treasure, more than a guy with a guitar, he's just a great human. We could all take a leaf from his book really....thanks Dan and Mick for giving the fans what they've been asking for simce you had Coxon on a few years ago....Bernard Butler next???? Btw, Dan's face when Johnny mentioned Dave Gregory as an influence.....my giddy aunt....
YES PLEASE GET BERNARD BUTLER
Like Hendrix, Clapton, Scotty Moore, Les Paul, Django Reinhardt, Wes Montgomery, Charlie Christian, Johnny Ramone, Tony Iommi, Eddie Van Halen and some others he created his own sound and a style, the Johnny Marr's style.
Just amazing, what a man. Love watching the smiles on Dan & Mick’s faces while Johnny’s playing. They’re all of us then, right?
Incredible - Johnny's sound and guitar work is iconic and unmistakable. What a very special segment. Thanks.
Can't wait for my copy of 'Marr's Guitars' to arrive. No doubt I'll be watching this episode many many times, brilliant!
Was a Smith’s fan back in the 80’s, but Marr’s work on The The’s Dusk takes that album to another level. What a fantastic player and humble person. Great job guys!
Once of my favourites of all time
If only they had produced it with the guitar more forward, vocals further back. Think how expressive morrissey was but the vocals were in the song, not infront of johnnys guitar. Completely different bands I’m aware but bring marr forward if you have him
I first see Johnny play with ‘The Smiths’ early 80s.
As my mates (drunk) as we all were jumped up n down, pretty mindlessly really.
I stood mesmerised at his playing.
History will show he’ll remain one of the greats.
And a thoroughly nice fella ta boot.
Love him.
Best interview I’ve ever seen with him and his guitars.
Well done guys.
👋🤠🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
Always been intrigued by his approach to playing guitar and how the parts he comes up with have such a unique yet totally musical sound. I wonder if he's ever played a standard blues lick in his life? He obviously had the good sense and confidence in his own ability to go with his own inner voice right from the start and completely eschew anything imitative that wasn't his own.
Perhaps the difference between artist and musician. Or what elevates musician to artist. Maybe.
Awesome stuff it really was I’ve sat through this and the Noel video it’s really awesome to hear their take and views on gear 👍
Big fan of the track he did with Brian Ferry “the right stuff”
Utterly speechless. We've waited years for this one.
Such a great interview. It's quite spine tingling when Johnny unassumingly starts picking out one of those iconic riffs. Must have been such a buzz to be in the room. His success is well deserved. I think he single handedly invented Indie music!
Johnny gave me one of his CE2s. Signed it too. Class act.
Still here. Rewinding and rewatching just like the Noel episode, just like the Andy Timmons episode, just like the Joey episodes, just like the Greg Koch episode, just like the Josh Smith episode, just like the Ariel episodes…..THANK YOU! A million times, thank you.
FINALLY!!!! This is the Johnny Marr interview every fan has ever wanted. Thank you so much D&M
Probably one of the best guitarist interviews I’ve ever seen. Great show. Thx all. Thank you JM. Continued success!
What he plays when he talks about delay towards the end-I can listen to that all day.
One of the best things about these videos is seeing the joy on Dan’s face 😊
What an absolute boss and a one-of-a-kind musician. I got goosebumps when he started playing "That Joke" on the Les Paul.
It’s become a weekly ritual for me to listen to this interview….
Mick and Dan, thank you so much for making this happen, what an incredible interview with Johnny Marr and so much insight and inspiration 🙏
Thank you Sean, that’s very kind of you!
13minutes in and it's already 15x better than i expected. geeky guitar stuff
This is the greatest thing of all time ever. Thank you so so so much for getting one of 2 people who made me FEEL guitar (the other was John Squire) on your show. Eternally grateful x
1:05:19 ahhh the best chord progression everrr✨✨✨💜🤎💙🩵❤️. Got the book!
finally the internet delivers something worthwhile
Definetly, XTC, Television, The Sound, etc. The 80's were the best decade for creativity & diversity+ Sound made a huge quality leap from the 60's and 70's.
Each to their own, etc... but I have to disagree. I thought the 80s was very stagnant with a lot of over produced music. Not The Smiths but in general. Take the 60s for instance as to where it started off and finished. And the 70s had it all. Bowie was at his best and he was always very creative.I was born in 59 do maybe I'm biased but after the previous two decades I found 80s music boring and samey. Minus Killing Joke,The Pixies and SATB.
A study in chord progressions, sublime stuff.
I love how he makes chord shapes with his hands as he talks 😂
Glad he shouted out Television, such an influential band
Wonderful episode👍
Johnny Marr is just an outstanding musician.
Thank you guys! I'll admit to a little bit of fanboying over here. It was Johnny Marr and Peter Buck who convinced me my first electric guitar had to be a jetglo 360, after 10 years of playing nothing but acoustic guitar. The '80s were magic for me. I very much appreciated how Johnny's "hooks" were melodies that came out of the lush open chords. It's still influences my writing and my playing today. ❤️
Peter Buck !! Nominated for next TPS guest 😊
Peter Buck really deserves more credit than he gets, amazing guitarist running parallel to Johnny but over in America
Yeah UK has Johnny and US has Peter Buck. C'mon!
This is the very best of UA-cam , wonderful. Johnny is a complete one off. When I first heard and saw him in 1983 he sounded like he was from another planet. Soundtrack of my life.
J. M. Just made me take a deep dive into guitar playing again.
I love the humility. I love that he's filled in for so many bands. Pretenders, Talking Heads, The The... others. No one deserves to own these beautiful guitars more.
Marr is such an intelligent, erudite, and lucid interviewee. How illuminating to hear him talk of his career and interests etc.
I might be weird, but I found this so heart-warming. Thank you, friends.
It was joyful, and the space and time D & M gave him to properly compose his comments is an object lesson to interviewers everywhere.
After a Modest Mouse show I was fortunate enough to hang in the green room and back stage chatting guitars with Johnny. He is a Prince of a man…one of my favorite guitarists.
i dont know how you managed to sit there, see and hear Johnny play these iconic sounds... and NOT cry... Im holding back tears now, because im at work. But if I was in that room, with those notes going into my ears, id be bawling my eyes out
Wow! This video will not only be big, but will be a museum piece for the future generations of guitarists who will be influenced by Jonny Marr. Well done guys!
Yes! Was waiting all morning for this one on the edge of my seat 😁
One of the best interviews that shows you how music was made. Thanks guys. You should interview Graham Coxon next.
So good. You’ve had Noel and Johnny now all you need is John Squire for the holy Manc trinity.
I began playing drums in the 1980s and stopped once I started working full time as a mechanic. Years later I started playing guitar and my daughter kept mentioning Johnny Marr. I glad she did, he is an absolutely amazing musician and now I have loads of music to listen to. I bought the Marr’s Guitars book ❤ ! Great interview and I love you guys too.
This great conversation here in this video is super great for bassists (like myself) too!!
I would like to mention something very obvious here, but it’s personal to me:
I’m 51. I started playing bass in ‘86. Still playing gigs weekly. Started out with U2 songs of course, because the seemed ‘easy’!
Than, about a year in, I tried out the first Smiths’ songs. Took me some years, 🤣...
I’d like to mention The Smiths bassist Any Rourke here. He had such talent and taste!
And he had the opportunity to play with the great Johnny Marr. I guess Andy was the perfect bassist at the time to play Johnny Marr’s compositions.
I’m enjoying this great conversation on TPS with Johnny Marr so much! All the guitars are freakin’ there and he’s playing them for us like it’s nothing! Makes me a happy camper for sure!
I’m gettin’ that book, I will!
But in my bassplayers’ little brain, I also here Andy’s basslines. A beautiful thing!
🖖
So glad John Mcgeoch got a mention in this. 👍
Saw the Johnny Marr Orchestra at Factory International, Manchester in November. Sensational sounds and superb venue. One of the great concerts.
Him and Peter Buck are amongst my favorite guitar players for sure.
What a gift to see Johnny play these songs and tell these stories! Thanks to all involved.
Smashing interview- but it’s absolute sacrilege to cut off Johnny playing The Headmaster Ritual at the best bit😂
I met JM when I worked in a hotel in San Diego back in 1991. He was so cool!