Yeah garou wins the fight, but I still think it would be a interesting fight to watch. Don't get me wrong, I knew garou beats suiryu all day before this vid but their clash of ideals and martial arts and training would be an I teresting one to watch play out
@@ultranecrozma7449 Yeah it does. Garou is clearly stronger than Suiryu in the webcomic so I would've loved to see the fight happen when they were evenly matched in the manga. Hero hunter Garou vs Suiryu would've been a spectacle
I definitely agree that Garou wins however we could use a higher end for Suiryu in power and speed. Suiryu is explicitly stated to be stronger than Bakuzan, who was himself stated the strongest competitor in the tournament, putting him above a prior Garou and more importantly a younger Bang. Now Bang could have simply held back as it's very much in his character to do so against human beings rather than monsters as he could have easily ripped Garou's head off when he and Bang got to him but didn't. But that's Suiryu's highest scaling. And going off current webcomic, an unmotivated Garou was fighting equally with a limit breaking Suiryu. No monster powers, no nada. Just hand to hand only, and Garou was only about half power during the fight since he wanted nothing to do with it.
The problem with the Bakuzan statement is that Suiryu himself doesn’t even think it’s true. He saw Garou’s performance the previous year and thought Garou was much more impressive than Bakuzan
Bro if water stream is stronger than void fist and a non perfect exploding heart fist is stronger than water stream and if we take bombs statement stament that if bang uses explosion heart he will defeat first monster garou so yeah human garou blitz
I always thought this matchup was a little shaky as Garou doesn't have a consistent power level (though unless you're scaling him at where he was at the very start of season 2 he will win every time) but that made me wonder, Garou ends up getting so strong because he keeps pushing himself throughout the entire series, if Saitama wasn't around to stop him he would have never stopped, but Suiryu is naturally gifted, he says himself that he hasn't even trained in years and he's still on the level of Tank Top Master or Puri Puri, if that's how strong he is without even trying, what would happen if he pushed himself? There's obviously no way to say how this would play out, but it's fun to think about
For this video is Hero Hunter Garo at his peak before he started turning into a monster, which is after his fight with Watchdog Man. Also, Garo is probably more naturally talented than Suiryu if you were curious, the databook explains Garo was born with a super natural fighting sense
@@Professor_Fiction idk, garou was naturally talented but most of his power came from training and fighting, meanwhile suiryu is just using his natural gifts. Their both prodigy's, but garou seems to be the lesser of the 2 with more training.
@@ProjektTaku We don't even know how long Suiryu trained before he reached that level of power(before he became lazy af), but we all know Garou only trained a few years under Bang and instantly reached S class level of strength, he's also evolving every fight, he doesn't train when he became the hero hunter, so it's just purely talent that's pushing him to become stronger, did Suiryu even become stronger after the ass whooping he got in monster arc?
@@allencastro9344 first off, while suiryu did train before reaching his current status, its shown that he never really took it too seriously ever since he was a kid and likely end early on, while garoru was heavily motivated and trained by an S-class hero, and he didn't instantly reach S-class strength, as he was hero hunting, and hero hunting does count as training since he's gaining more experience, but even so, if garou was as outmatched as suiryu was and beaten down that quickly then he'd be in the same situation no matter his evolution.
Remember to replicate Garou in real life all you have to do is: Go Professional in MMA fighting and Semi - Master 7 martial Arts. Easily adapt to other Professional level martial arts. Fight so hard that you faint more than 3 times. Damage your ACL, Rotator Cuff, bones, and skin through intense battles but heal them as twice as fast due to God like genetics. Each break will heal faster. Get heavily assaulted by gangs. Get brutally beat up by two 9th degree black belt masters in martial arts. Get curbstomped by some bald guy. Summon a real life Demonic demon and fight them. Get almost killed only to sleep through it and wake up 20x stronger and more durable. More healing. Walk on the streets to save some ugly kid from a pedo. Kill the demon who kidnapped that kid. (The summoned demon from earlier) Fight off a very heavily strong bear and gorilla over 2000 pounds pretty easily.
Very well-made video and analysis. Obviously, later forms of Garou beat Suiryu easily, but an early Hero Hunter Garou would be a fun matchup. It would probably start off competitive, but Garou would eventually finish playing and bantering with Suiryu and get serious, winning mid diff. He might catch some hard shots and lose on an exchange or two, but he’d absolutely win going all-out. He might even copy Suiryu’s strongest attack as a finishing move just to illustrate the gap in their abilities. I hope that they wind up as friends/rivals at some point in the series.
wow, incredible job analysing and powerscaling these two characters, I agree with pretty much everything you said, and I'd be super hyped for more one punch man videos similar to this one, especially Manga or webcomic since I prefer those versions over the anime personally.
I just want to quickly say I've read through a couple of your comment sections and that I am sorry that are the way they are. For some reason, Anime watchers seem to love to spew trash takes onto small channels. Keep up the content and try to not let it get to you.
A lot of the misconceptiom behinf threat levels comes from people brlieving they are a straight powerscaling technique, which they arent. They take into account other aspects aside from power, such as aggressiveness, destructive capability and so on. They also come from the lens of the Hero Association who dont always have the full picture of whoever theyre assigning a threat level too. It is also occasionally alluded to that people focus on threat levels too much as a method of judging power. This is done IN UNIVERSE too, once by Garou who tells the three demon level monster who confront him in the MA hideout that they "put too much stock" in them.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Suiryu is stronger than Bakuzan after the monsterization, because he was already weakened from getting slammed into a wall by Saitama, fighting the red dude, and getting bullied by Gouketsu.
I agree with almost everything, but one thing seem to be forgotten here. Against metal bat, Garou makes explicit that speed isnt metal bat greatest atribute, but his strengh is, if metal bat had one clear hit on garou it was to be a one hit K.O. so just to clarify that, Garou speed is amazing, but on that time doesnt necessarily was so out of reach for suiryu
@@Sparks2520 wth do you mean by that? Did you not hear the Carnage Kabuto scaling where Metal Bat actually manages to scale to Carnage Kabutos speed despite Carnage Kabuto blitzing G4 Genos?
Boros can beat Garou easily cuz whenever garau took a gentle beat from saitama he just passed out but Boros took hard punches from saitama and only a serious punch took him down
@@Professor_Fictionbut is it shown his striking strength can damage genos, also I don't mean about when he pulls his arm off because that didn't really damage him, he does tank an attack in the head by garou and it doesn't damage him
@@Professor_Fiction yes but that's not a striking feat because he just pulls his arm off and is more of a strength feat not an actual attack also genos is more durable depending on where he is hit like how face ripper was damaging g4 genos arms, while he couldn't even damage his head like garou Also his body parts are reattachable so it may be easier to pull it off then to actually damage it
No he caused physical damage, you can see pieces of Genos falling off of his arm. Also it really shouldn’t matter what part of his body it is since Sonic couldn’t damage any part of hom
one of the major issues with powerscaling garou is that his power is scaling up the entire time his arc is going. So when are you comparing suiryu to? suiryu obviously doesn't hold a candle to fully amped up garou, but before starting his monster arc garou gets destroyed by watchdog man who is only the rank 12 s class hero. you reference his growth and adaptability as a strength that would carry him is this fight, but there's no reason to believe he has that outside of his mosterization arc. but if he always had that he would be on par with bang before the arc started.
the logic of power levels, especially in DBZ are pretty soon fed to you and easy to follow. Also Demon > Tiger level monster unless it's a bad match up ability wise I guess
Completely baseless facts from you. Although I do agree that garou would eventually beat suiryu because of how his character his established but still comparing fee class a-c heroes against garou to suiryu's encounter with monsters is not appropriate. I don't know but maybe the monster fruit makes you go at least 1-2 lvl up then your current lvl and suiryu still beat the crap out of that horned guy. And his armour was also impenetrable and suiryu smashed him up. Goukestsu was drgaon lvl , if I'm not wrong here. So him defeating goketsu was pointless. Garou is a beast but goukestsu would have murdered him too.
1. Uh, there’s no other way to compare Suiryu other than lightning max and Snek 2. “Maybe the monster fruit makes you go at least two level up” idk what that’s supposed to mean 3. “His armor was impenetrable” says what? 4. Gouketsu would beat Garou, I never said he wouldn’t
valid arguments, however, I still do think the threat levels are end all be all, simply because writing characters can be inconsistent, depending what the author wants the vibe to be. Whether it be an epic battle, or an easy one, are all factors that the author would decide, without necessiraly taking into account past battles that are (somewhat) irrelevant, as these battles are usually used to hype-up, or calm-down the vibe and expectations from said characters. TLDR: Threat levels has the final say, because the author purposed it that way. EDIT: But yes, i still agree with the final verdict that garou claps suiryu low-diff.
Does Suiryu ever get the spotlight again? And does he get stronger? (I haven't touched OPM since the webcomic Psykorochi fight or... maybe Saitama v Garou. I forget which came first. Either way that was a while ago, and if he did something before that I forget.)
Yea and Garou could deflect that quite easily and Garou’s variant of the Waterstream fist wasn’t even close to perfected. Really says a lot about what Bang could do since his is the perfected version.
Suiryu still consious after accidentally hit by hips of Saitama when he rotates imagined that!? Unlike Garou totally unconscious everytime received controlled strike from Saitama.. can anyone scale that!? Suiryu still consious hello.. that is Saitama can anyone scale that?
Yes unless you're not dumb Because garou wins because sonic matched genos and sonic survived after he took damage in the balls Saitama wasn't even using force for suiryu but he did for garou and lastly garou who is like seriously injured matched with genos like sonic so garou>suiryu
do agree with the outcome but Metal bat was greatly fatigued in that battle with Garou as he was just previously fighting a dragon level threat monster so to say his speed in that fight could be comparable to his fight in the simulation wouldn't be a valid take
@@Professor_FictionI’m thinking that it’s very likely human Garou is faster than base Carnage Kabuto by quite a bit because of the Metal Bat scaling. Obviously Carnage Mode is just a stomp in Kabuto’s favor.
This is one of those fights where every single person knows the results as soon as they hear the fight announced. Still would be cool to watch the "handsome overpowered amazing" martial artist get completely stomped by the unheard of, but unstoppable 'monster' Garou
honestly I saw garou vs suiryu and was wondering if you were just gonna say garou no diff or find some stupid reason to how suiryu would somehow beat garou (glad it was the former)
I wonder how this even would have turned if Darkshine was present when Goketsku arrived Just for comparasion Darkshine defeated Carnage Kabuto in 15 min and took no damage
@@Professor_Fiction Goketsku has no feats backing him up apart from one shooting Genos Darkshine also one shoted Transformed Bug God and pulverized half his body with a held back move Bug God is way stronger than that Genos
@@LordOfChaos.x You can scale Goukestu by saying he is stronger than Carnage kabuto or you could scale him to Saitama when he blitzed one shotted Carnage kabuto.
@@Professor_Fiction we're not proving, we're taking every single possibility that they were trained at the same age but each at their own progress, I think that would be the best option
Do you think its possible that Suriyu's genius martial arts could prevent him from getting his attacks deflected back at him even if his opponent is way faster than himself??
Your not using common sense in a lot of your scaling. You say people use threat levels to determine power using kombu infinity and the crows, yet you fail to say how it’s obvious kombu is a demons based on threats and the occasional incorrect threat level id for monsters who the HA haven’t shown enough knowledge on. kombu is obvious demon and crows are obviously demon while together. You also fail to understand how AP and durability and basically every stat usually go down after being brutally beat up. We see suiryu CASUALLY oneshot snek, max and stay even with choze, when he uses full effort hes able to basically oneshot him. The crows only had the upper hand obviously cause he was beat down badly. Just like the hero team only could keep up with garou cause he was beat down badly. Fights aren’t just AP and speed, there lots of variables that “good” power scalers can’t seem to wrap their head around. You also fail to realize technique or skill is a huge part of the power scaling in opm. Skill allows opponents to hit much harder than their stats would allow. Which is a reason garous durability is low compared to his ap. Also garous skill would be less useful against another skilled opponent like suiryu. But don’t get me wrong garou wins. But suiryu would do better than metal bad on the fact he has a more skilled fighting style then metal bat and higher str then garou.
Damn, does that work for 3 way? Goketsu holding back against an opponent he was unwilling to kill as a martial artist means, those atks were STILL on the lvl of high demon - low dragon. The guy fought against Saitama and technically won prior to only being unable to defeat two dragon lvl monsters in a worn-out state. One of them even admitting being envious and unable to deliver such low lvl atks as explicit bias is used as a preventative measure. Still gets injured by the very individual whom he was too busy torturing. I understand very well Garou's experiences but Genos was actually gonna kill him if Bang didn't step in. Garou beating down the A-class heroes is still one of the best feats in the series but what do you think that ova means with Garou and Suiryu vs each other? It meant under the right setting, they could potentially best each other. Thus it isn't necessarily exclusive to one dominating the other. Infact, it was just revealed Suiryu has knowledge of Bang's martial arts form.. In otherwords, POSSIBLY means on how to deal with it too. I've been saying for the longest the dude has been getting lowballed for this battle & lowest behold - knowing is half the battle. You factor in the speed, strength, technique and durability of Suiryu w/some adaptability vs Garou's Speed, strength, adaptability, durability & technique... It should be one hell of a fight. Remember just how badly he was beating down Metal Bat, Metal Bat (my favorite hero) couldn't even get one hit against this guy Garou & just when he was about to, fights over. That's like weapons Sonic vs Hero-Hunter. Ofc Sonic hasn't had as many fights as Garou [on paper] but to say he wouldn't stand a chance or will even just flatout lose ALL THE WAY UP to Red Garou is wrong through and through! Those speed clones are so awesome Flashy Flash in all his glory hadn't once thought to use them before on his own & proceeded to get scolded by Sonic for copying them mid-fight against other ninja when Sonic indeed challenged him 1st, landed a significant blow and blocked/dodged final ougi - flashy kicks.
No that applies just to Fist of Flowing Water crushing roch not to Void Fist Also Garou has much better durability and can further evolve due to his determination
imo garou is stronger because he worked harder but suiryu has much more potential as he basically stopped training and he’s that powerful I put suiryu around low s class as he’s stronger than deep sea king and by extension puri puri
at least and finally, he destroyed a 3 demon class monster with single hit, and a dragon threat monster with like 7 hits. not to forget he faught with Goketsu whom Genos himself said the neeed all S class heroes and Saitama to defeat him
Surprisingly good editing and scripting 👍
I know right?
Yeah garou wins the fight, but I still think it would be a interesting fight to watch. Don't get me wrong, I knew garou beats suiryu all day before this vid but their clash of ideals and martial arts and training would be an I teresting one to watch play out
He can never win against Suiryu, The strongest of all
I mean Suiryu didn't train for like a lot of years. He's mostly flirting with girls and getting money from the tournament
@@swb01ye43 so if suiryu trained for like a years intensely he could beat garou?
Doesn’t this happen in the webcomic?
@@ultranecrozma7449 Yeah it does. Garou is clearly stronger than Suiryu in the webcomic so I would've loved to see the fight happen when they were evenly matched in the manga. Hero hunter Garou vs Suiryu would've been a spectacle
Yo finally a good OPM scaler, LET'S GO BRO.
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@@awekendblast8342 Sup
I definitely agree that Garou wins however we could use a higher end for Suiryu in power and speed.
Suiryu is explicitly stated to be stronger than Bakuzan, who was himself stated the strongest competitor in the tournament, putting him above a prior Garou and more importantly a younger Bang. Now Bang could have simply held back as it's very much in his character to do so against human beings rather than monsters as he could have easily ripped Garou's head off when he and Bang got to him but didn't. But that's Suiryu's highest scaling.
And going off current webcomic, an unmotivated Garou was fighting equally with a limit breaking Suiryu. No monster powers, no nada. Just hand to hand only, and Garou was only about half power during the fight since he wanted nothing to do with it.
The problem with the Bakuzan statement is that Suiryu himself doesn’t even think it’s true. He saw Garou’s performance the previous year and thought Garou was much more impressive than Bakuzan
@@Professor_Fiction That is true, I forgot, he came back basically to fight Garou.
Bro if water stream is stronger than void fist and a non perfect exploding heart fist is stronger than water stream and if we take bombs statement stament that if bang uses explosion heart he will defeat first monster garou so yeah human garou blitz
Now imagine if suiryu actually trained like he's supposed to...
That fight would be God Of Highchool levels of insane
Why is God of highschool so underrated? Has the hypest fights in anime but noone watched it
@@kenonerboy true but the issue is in the story for me... it skipped so much build up and went straight to the fights...
@@kenonerboy It is great but it also skips a ton of stuff.
@@kenonerboy anime is ass, it skipped a training arc, all build up and even an important battle
@@MisiaczeXX i guess u hate animation
Great video bro. You explained it pretty well without even referencing the abilities of webcomic Garo.
I always thought this matchup was a little shaky as Garou doesn't have a consistent power level (though unless you're scaling him at where he was at the very start of season 2 he will win every time) but that made me wonder, Garou ends up getting so strong because he keeps pushing himself throughout the entire series, if Saitama wasn't around to stop him he would have never stopped, but Suiryu is naturally gifted, he says himself that he hasn't even trained in years and he's still on the level of Tank Top Master or Puri Puri, if that's how strong he is without even trying, what would happen if he pushed himself? There's obviously no way to say how this would play out, but it's fun to think about
For this video is Hero Hunter Garo at his peak before he started turning into a monster, which is after his fight with Watchdog Man. Also, Garo is probably more naturally talented than Suiryu if you were curious, the databook explains Garo was born with a super natural fighting sense
@@Professor_Fiction idk, garou was naturally talented but most of his power came from training and fighting, meanwhile suiryu is just using his natural gifts.
Their both prodigy's, but garou seems to be the lesser of the 2 with more training.
"What if" is paradox, the fact is that garou work harder
@@ProjektTaku We don't even know how long Suiryu trained before he reached that level of power(before he became lazy af), but we all know Garou only trained a few years under Bang and instantly reached S class level of strength, he's also evolving every fight, he doesn't train when he became the hero hunter, so it's just purely talent that's pushing him to become stronger, did Suiryu even become stronger after the ass whooping he got in monster arc?
@@allencastro9344 first off, while suiryu did train before reaching his current status, its shown that he never really took it too seriously ever since he was a kid and likely end early on, while garoru was heavily motivated and trained by an S-class hero, and he didn't instantly reach S-class strength, as he was hero hunting, and hero hunting does count as training since he's gaining more experience, but even so, if garou was as outmatched as suiryu was and beaten down that quickly then he'd be in the same situation no matter his evolution.
Remember to replicate Garou in real life all you have to do is:
Go Professional in MMA fighting and Semi - Master 7 martial Arts.
Easily adapt to other Professional level martial arts.
Fight so hard that you faint more than 3 times.
Damage your ACL, Rotator Cuff, bones, and skin through intense battles but heal them as twice as fast due to God like genetics. Each break will heal faster.
Get heavily assaulted by gangs.
Get brutally beat up by two 9th degree black belt masters in martial arts.
Get curbstomped by some bald guy.
Summon a real life Demonic demon and fight them.
Get almost killed only to sleep through it and wake up 20x stronger and more durable. More healing.
Walk on the streets to save some ugly kid from a pedo.
Kill the demon who kidnapped that kid. (The summoned demon from earlier)
Fight off a very heavily strong bear and gorilla over 2000 pounds pretty easily.
can confirm:
did work.
Now if you don't mind me imma go fight some fake heroes.
*Water stream rock smashing fist in one hand, Whirlwind Iron Cutting fist in the other*
Very well-made video and analysis. Obviously, later forms of Garou beat Suiryu easily, but an early Hero Hunter Garou would be a fun matchup. It would probably start off competitive, but Garou would eventually finish playing and bantering with Suiryu and get serious, winning mid diff. He might catch some hard shots and lose on an exchange or two, but he’d absolutely win going all-out. He might even copy Suiryu’s strongest attack as a finishing move just to illustrate the gap in their abilities. I hope that they wind up as friends/rivals at some point in the series.
When suriyu was fighting the crows he was severely injured so that's not an anti feat, but I agree that Garou wins.
The point I was making was that when Garou and Suiryu are both fatigued and wounded, Garou just has better feats anyway
@@Professor_Fiction Aight
I would say garou had it worse cause besides being almost beaten to death by dozens of heroes, he also took a hit from Saitama twice
No he can't win against Suiryu
@@captdeadpool2279 can't you realize that he was attacked by Saitama and he went a sleep!!!!!???????
wow, incredible job analysing and powerscaling these two characters, I agree with pretty much everything you said, and I'd be super hyped for more one punch man videos similar to this one, especially Manga or webcomic since I prefer those versions over the anime personally.
And That's Not Even Monster Garou.
I just want to quickly say I've read through a couple of your comment sections and that I am sorry that are the way they are.
For some reason, Anime watchers seem to love to spew trash takes onto small channels.
Keep up the content and try to not let it get to you.
Great video
I didn't know this was a debate, I always just thought Garou demolishes him like low - med diff
An actual fight between them would be way more entertaining if Suiryu trained under someone like Bomb for years
A lot of the misconceptiom behinf threat levels comes from people brlieving they are a straight powerscaling technique, which they arent. They take into account other aspects aside from power, such as aggressiveness, destructive capability and so on. They also come from the lens of the Hero Association who dont always have the full picture of whoever theyre assigning a threat level too.
It is also occasionally alluded to that people focus on threat levels too much as a method of judging power. This is done IN UNIVERSE too, once by Garou who tells the three demon level monster who confront him in the MA hideout that they "put too much stock" in them.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Suiryu is stronger than Bakuzan after the monsterization, because he was already weakened from getting slammed into a wall by Saitama, fighting the red dude, and getting bullied by Gouketsu.
Suiryu is one of the coolest characters that got shafted
I agree with almost everything, but one thing seem to be forgotten here. Against metal bat, Garou makes explicit that speed isnt metal bat greatest atribute, but his strengh is, if metal bat had one clear hit on garou it was to be a one hit K.O. so just to clarify that, Garou speed is amazing, but on that time doesnt necessarily was so out of reach for suiryu
Well Metal bats speed is still impressive as I outlined with the scaling
@@Professor_Fiction doesn’t mean your right
@@Sparks2520 wth do you mean by that? Did you not hear the Carnage Kabuto scaling where Metal Bat actually manages to scale to Carnage Kabutos speed despite Carnage Kabuto blitzing G4 Genos?
And he wasn’t to weak to fight the crows!!! He was utterly terrified from gotetsu
Is called meat riding my fav chatzcter gorua
Bang should put suri as a student see how strong he shall become would be fun to watch
Boros can beat Garou easily cuz whenever garau took a gentle beat from saitama he just passed out but Boros took hard punches from saitama and only a serious punch took him down
But Garou Improves in The Webcomic, he Takes many Serious Punches And still Survives
only regeneration saitama shattered him in consecutive punches
while garou actually survived
Monster garou also had regeneratiom ability and far better stamina than boros
Do we know hero hunter garou's attack potency other than the technique that let's him hit his opponent with double their attack?
Yes he can damage Genos and Tanktop Master
@@Professor_Fictionbut is it shown his striking strength can damage genos, also I don't mean about when he pulls his arm off because that didn't really damage him, he does tank an attack in the head by garou and it doesn't damage him
Him ripping off his arm is him damaging him, that’s an AP feat
@@Professor_Fiction yes but that's not a striking feat because he just pulls his arm off and is more of a strength feat not an actual attack also genos is more durable depending on where he is hit like how face ripper was damaging g4 genos arms, while he couldn't even damage his head like garou
Also his body parts are reattachable so it may be easier to pull it off then to actually damage it
No he caused physical damage, you can see pieces of Genos falling off of his arm. Also it really shouldn’t matter what part of his body it is since Sonic couldn’t damage any part of hom
I would love to see a Suiryu vs Garou in the future considering where the Manga is at now tbh
bro garou can one punch suiryu now
one of the major issues with powerscaling garou is that his power is scaling up the entire time his arc is going. So when are you comparing suiryu to? suiryu obviously doesn't hold a candle to fully amped up garou, but before starting his monster arc garou gets destroyed by watchdog man who is only the rank 12 s class hero.
you reference his growth and adaptability as a strength that would carry him is this fight, but there's no reason to believe he has that outside of his mosterization arc. but if he always had that he would be on par with bang before the arc started.
Garou when he fought Metal Bat is the version of Garou I’m using
the logic of power levels, especially in DBZ are pretty soon fed to you and easy to follow. Also Demon > Tiger level monster unless it's a bad match up ability wise I guess
Wtf do power levels have to do with anything
@@Professor_Fiction watch your own fucking videos lmao
They have had a game fight in a One Punch Man filler. It was basically a stalemate.
you're talking about the OVA at 7:06
Completely baseless facts from you.
Although I do agree that garou would eventually beat suiryu because of how his character his established but still comparing fee class a-c heroes against garou to suiryu's encounter with monsters is not appropriate.
I don't know but maybe the monster fruit makes you go at least 1-2 lvl up then your current lvl and suiryu still beat the crap out of that horned guy.
And his armour was also impenetrable and suiryu smashed him up.
Goukestsu was drgaon lvl , if I'm not wrong here.
So him defeating goketsu was pointless.
Garou is a beast but goukestsu would have murdered him too.
1. Uh, there’s no other way to compare Suiryu other than lightning max and Snek
2. “Maybe the monster fruit makes you go at least two level up” idk what that’s supposed to mean
3. “His armor was impenetrable” says what?
4. Gouketsu would beat Garou, I never said he wouldn’t
valid arguments, however, I still do think the threat levels are end all be all, simply because writing characters can be inconsistent, depending what the author wants the vibe to be. Whether it be an epic battle, or an easy one, are all factors that the author would decide, without necessiraly taking into account past battles that are (somewhat) irrelevant, as these battles are usually used to hype-up, or calm-down the vibe and expectations from said characters.
TLDR: Threat levels has the final say, because the author purposed it that way.
EDIT: But yes, i still agree with the final verdict that garou claps suiryu low-diff.
The author told us that they aren’t the end all be all
Its more a "what version" of garou would loose against suiryu. Maybe suiryu can win against child garou
I don't see how this was even a debate
2 years ago before cosmic garou
Garou will eclipse Suiryu at some point in the fight and that's when it will be all done
Does Suiryu ever get the spotlight again? And does he get stronger?
(I haven't touched OPM since the webcomic Psykorochi fight or... maybe Saitama v Garou. I forget which came first. Either way that was a while ago, and if he did something before that I forget.)
Saw this on reddit
It is stated many times that Metal Bat would have killed Garou with that final blow if not for his sister.
Yea and Garou could deflect that quite easily and Garou’s variant of the Waterstream fist wasn’t even close to perfected. Really says a lot about what Bang could do since his is the perfected version.
Suiryu still consious after accidentally hit by hips of Saitama when he rotates imagined that!? Unlike Garou totally unconscious everytime received controlled strike from Saitama.. can anyone scale that!? Suiryu still consious hello.. that is Saitama can anyone scale that?
You can’t prove that attack from Saitama is stronger than the ones he used on Garou. Otherwise we might as well say Suiryu is more durable than Orochi
Yes unless you're not dumb
Because garou wins because sonic matched genos and sonic survived after he took damage in the balls
Saitama wasn't even using force for suiryu but he did for garou and lastly garou who is like seriously injured matched with genos like sonic so garou>suiryu
@@Professor_Fiction this guy should recall what he said accidently hit but for garou he didnt he just hit him
means his hit was way stronger
Oh man, The entire examination sounds like it’s being explained by someone who’s never fought in their life.
The video is about cartoon characters
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Searching through your vids make me wish you branched out a little more and got characters that were op and did analyses on them.
Give Suiryu god’s power, then it might be a fair fight
“Garou doodos and pee pees all over suiriyu” 💀
Suiryu*
do agree with the outcome but Metal bat was greatly fatigued in that battle with Garou as he was just previously fighting a dragon level threat monster so to say his speed in that fight could be comparable to his fight in the simulation wouldn't be a valid take
Metal Bat gets faster the more damage he takes
@@Professor_FictionI’m thinking that it’s very likely human Garou is faster than base Carnage Kabuto by quite a bit because of the Metal Bat scaling. Obviously Carnage Mode is just a stomp in Kabuto’s favor.
This is a very good video
Don’t forget Siryu split the stadium in half which is quite a big feet
I explained that in the video
Don't forget what garou did to land after beaten badly by bang and bomb
This is one of those fights where every single person knows the results as soon as they hear the fight announced. Still would be cool to watch the "handsome overpowered amazing" martial artist get completely stomped by the unheard of, but unstoppable 'monster' Garou
Nice video
honestly I saw garou vs suiryu and was wondering if you were just gonna say garou no diff or find some stupid reason to how suiryu would somehow beat garou (glad it was the former)
This isn't even a challenge garou is a monster
Favorite geanos 🔥😍
I wonder how this even would have turned if Darkshine was present when Goketsku arrived
Just for comparasion Darkshine defeated Carnage Kabuto in 15 min and took no damage
It depends
@@Professor_Fiction on what
How you scale Gouketsu, it’s very weird
@@Professor_Fiction Goketsku has no feats backing him up apart from one shooting Genos
Darkshine also one shoted Transformed Bug God and pulverized half his body with a held back move
Bug God is way stronger than that Genos
@@LordOfChaos.x You can scale Goukestu by saying he is stronger than Carnage kabuto or you could scale him to Saitama when he blitzed one shotted Carnage kabuto.
Metal bat is honestly super cool
Konbu infinity was Tiger level? I thought she was like high demon
well suiryu stopped his training or else maybe he would get chance to win
there'd be no way to prove that
@@Professor_Fiction it's about garou not awakened garou or half monster garou
@@Professor_Fiction we're not proving, we're taking every single possibility that they were trained at the same age but each at their own progress, I think that would be the best option
Do you think its possible that Suriyu's genius martial arts could prevent him from getting his attacks deflected back at him even if his opponent is way faster than himself??
No
@@Professor_Fiction Why not?
Because there’s no proof he can
Plus Garou’s h2h is more advanced anyway
@@Professor_Fiction Aight
Acctually it pretty obvious that garou will won
Good video, this is Flash. We should collab.
Yo, do you scale OPM?
Yeah for sure dude, just dm me on discord or insta and lemme know
"garou doodoos and peepees"
was this even a comparison? Garou would obviously win. he is stronger, smarter and more tenact than any mofo out there.
they fought in the comic recently. Garou won
It’s obvious garou would win but I don’t think it’ll be as easy you’re making it out to be
Garou would destroy Suiryu however I still believe the fight would be phenomenal
not even watching the video already know human garou slams suiryu only reason garou lost in vr was cause he literally was too good and fast
I wonder who tf thought garou is in the same league as suiryu, suiryu solos dragon Ball verse don't they know that
What about sonic he’s on these levels
I made a video about sonic vs Garou too
@@Professor_Fiction I saw it right after, thanks!
suiryu would make some hard time for normal garou but still lose and he has literally no chance aganist awakened garou
I think Suiryu wins
Nooooo Suiryu was strong like saitama and was bored with people
Big Garry the baby stomper
Ye stronger than weak ass people
Wait for season 3 then
Also in one ova suiryu and garou evenly matched but garou lost due to some glitch
True form of garou compared to Goku
eh, not current goku, maybe goku early on in Z.
Ssj2 Gohan level during cell saga.
Look at the level suiryu and saitamas fight was sorry to say but suiryu would win
I love suiryu
Wait is there any proof that Garou had pre cog before he fought king??
Sorta
In the wape comic Garou wins I the fight chapter 133
this came out before that happened
mmmm yummy video +rep
Where Garou is THE antihero in the story, Suiryu is just a somewhat prominent side character, nothing more.
Your not using common sense in a lot of your scaling. You say people use threat levels to determine power using kombu infinity and the crows, yet you fail to say how it’s obvious kombu is a demons based on threats and the occasional incorrect threat level id for monsters who the HA haven’t shown enough knowledge on. kombu is obvious demon and crows are obviously demon while together. You also fail to understand how AP and durability and basically every stat usually go down after being brutally beat up. We see suiryu CASUALLY oneshot snek, max and stay even with choze, when he uses full effort hes able to basically oneshot him. The crows only had the upper hand obviously cause he was beat down badly. Just like the hero team only could keep up with garou cause he was beat down badly. Fights aren’t just AP and speed, there lots of variables that “good” power scalers can’t seem to wrap their head around. You also fail to realize technique or skill is a huge part of the power scaling in opm. Skill allows opponents to hit much harder than their stats would allow. Which is a reason garous durability is low compared to his ap. Also garous skill would be less useful against another skilled opponent like suiryu. But don’t get me wrong garou wins. But suiryu would do better than metal bad on the fact he has a more skilled fighting style then metal bat and higher str then garou.
Do you wanna hop in my discord so we can talk about this
Damn, does that work for 3 way? Goketsu holding back against an opponent he was unwilling to kill as a martial artist means, those atks were STILL on the lvl of high demon - low dragon. The guy fought against Saitama and technically won prior to only being unable to defeat two dragon lvl monsters in a worn-out state. One of them even admitting being envious and unable to deliver such low lvl atks as explicit bias is used as a preventative measure. Still gets injured by the very individual whom he was too busy torturing. I understand very well Garou's experiences but Genos was actually gonna kill him if Bang didn't step in. Garou beating down the A-class heroes is still one of the best feats in the series but what do you think that ova means with Garou and Suiryu vs each other? It meant under the right setting, they could potentially best each other. Thus it isn't necessarily exclusive to one dominating the other. Infact, it was just revealed Suiryu has knowledge of Bang's martial arts form.. In otherwords, POSSIBLY means on how to deal with it too. I've been saying for the longest the dude has been getting lowballed for this battle & lowest behold - knowing is half the battle. You factor in the speed, strength, technique and durability of Suiryu w/some adaptability vs Garou's Speed, strength, adaptability, durability & technique... It should be one hell of a fight. Remember just how badly he was beating down Metal Bat, Metal Bat (my favorite hero) couldn't even get one hit against this guy Garou & just when he was about to, fights over. That's like weapons Sonic vs Hero-Hunter. Ofc Sonic hasn't had as many fights as Garou [on paper] but to say he wouldn't stand a chance or will even just flatout lose ALL THE WAY UP to Red Garou is wrong through and through! Those speed clones are so awesome Flashy Flash in all his glory hadn't once thought to use them before on his own & proceeded to get scolded by Sonic for copying them mid-fight against other ninja when Sonic indeed challenged him 1st, landed a significant blow and blocked/dodged final ougi - flashy kicks.
Would you want to talk about this in discord or something cuz you clearly have a lot to say lol
Suriyu doesnt have higher strenght than Garou
Garou just didint flexed his raw power like Suriyu did
No that applies just to Fist of Flowing Water crushing roch not to Void Fist
Also Garou has much better durability and can further evolve due to his determination
Hmm
It's mostly faxs
@@rememberme3762 Didn't you dm on IG about sum bs
Garou doesn’t beat boros
Who said he beats Boros?
@@Professor_Fiction at 11:48 i don’t know if you did it already
I just said I’d make a video about it at some point I didn’t say who I thought wins
Monster garou i think he will or yes he will beat borus
Suiryu wins because he knows martial arts and garou dont have good skills without god powers
Oof, that's one of the dumbest and false explanations I've ever seen
imo garou is stronger because he worked harder but suiryu has much more potential as he basically stopped training and he’s that powerful I put suiryu around low s class as he’s stronger than deep sea king and by extension puri puri
Suiryu is stronger than all the S Class Heores
@@mhmddabdoub Not even close lol.
@@Yes-ot6ue you are not even close,he is superior than them in everything
at least and finally, he destroyed a 3 demon class monster with single hit, and a dragon threat monster with like 7 hits.
not to forget he faught with Goketsu whom Genos himself said the neeed all S class heroes and Saitama to defeat him
and then he faught with bakuzan dragon threat
and he broke his big finger in the manga
he is the best
Three crows win over konbu infinity cuz she nit that strong