I’ve done the Motorcycle Safety Training and fell in love with the TW200 there. I love the look of the VanVan but never rode one. The only issue with the TW200 is no one sells it after they buy it! They keep it forever
Had a 2013 tw200 that I bought new in 2014. I moved down from a Yamaha Roadliner that, while it was paid off, I couldn't afford to maintain. Despite mentally preparing myself for the huge downgrade in power, I was still incredibly disappointed in how little power there was. But I bought it because I knew the engine was so basic that I could perform all the maintenance on it myself. There's something about working on your own motorcycle and the way it makes you appreciate and even fall in love with your bike. It quickly became one of my favorite motorcycles of all time - this coming from someone who has owned a YSR50, FZR400, Ninja250, Daytona675, Roadliner, and have ridden countless other bikes. If you could imagine the riding position and handling of a Speed Triple, but none of the power, this is what the TW reminded me of. In the 3 years I owned it, I managed to put 25,000 miles on it. I took it everywhere, even packed it like a mule and rode it from Los Angeles to Salem, Oregon (pulling 65 the whole way on the highway), for school - then back down again after graduation. Finally, after school, I took it into the dirt for my first time. Now I will never get a dedicated street bike again - in the least, it must be a dual sport. I sold the tw after getting a 2018 klx250. When I sold it, I was so proud that the bike still ran as good as new, with 25,000 miles on it, knowing I was the only one who touched the engine. Eventually I wanted a little more power and a better suspension, so I sold the KLX for a new WR250R. Despite now having what many believe to be the best Japanese dual sport, I still dream about the day I roll another brand new TW200 off the showroom floor. If I ever learn of any cash incentive, or that the TW is being discontinued, I would go into the dealership that day and pick one up. Wouldn't even think twice.
The engine in the Suzuki DR 200 dual sport, that's been around for a long time, is identical to the van van, but has an added oil cooler, a great addition for street use... I personally believe that the Yamaha TW200 is a tougher bike, and better suited for more extreme offroad use, but the Van Van is such a stunning looking bike also, that's amazing on gravel roads, and sand. It's hard to choose, between the two. I live in Canada, and these Suzuki Van vans are extremely hard to find, I tried every dealer in Alberta, but all are sold out, they are bought in at very limited quantities. I ended up getting a Yamaha xt 250 instead, very capable bike, more power, suspension travel and hi way suitable. But I still love the short fattys, they are both incredible bikes.
I love both bikes, but I went with the Suzuki VanVan 200, mainly for the looks and fuel injection. I ride daily to work and don't have time for carbs any more. Also the VanVan has an oil cooler. The tire sizes are exactly the same as the TW200. Lot's of people stop and ask about the bike, since it's quite rare and unique.
100% agree. I'm 54 and own a TW and love it. Like you said, the only 1ups the VanVan has imo, is fuel injection and comfy seat. I mostly ride in the NJ Pine Barrens but I've also ridden it 32 miles to work and got 80+ mpg (all county back roads). Well presented. Thanks for listening to your subscribers!!
@melodymakermark Never heard about that one. When was this? I did know Heather Lee Armijo, who was murdered 25 years ago around April 29th in 1999. Joseph T Austin, her killer is eligible for parole in 10 years. She'll still be dead. He tortured animals and moved on to an innocent 20 yr old girl.
I have the predecessor of the van van 200. I have a 1973 RV125 I'm currently reconditioning the entire bike. Prior to starting the reconditioning the bike ran perfectly. My father purchased the bike in 1977, used, it sat in his pole barn for almost 40 years until he passed and I was able to get the bike. I figure I'll have it back together by end of March, 21...
I've never owned a motorcycle, but I really want a tw200. Was never big on speed, but I like the idea I've being able to drive through the city and through trails.
Right? I try to ride my Burgman 650 to work as much as possible, and on occasion my TW. To me, a motorcycle should be able to take you places cars can't. You don't have to have a car engine in a motorcycle!! 500cc's will get you anywhere 2300 cc"s will!! Ride to work! It's a little taste of the weekend every day!
I seriously love my ‘17 VV200. I have big bikes, fast bikes, and dirt bikes, but when I just want to jump on and have fun, the VV brings a smile every time!
You nailed it! I just turned 40, I've been riding since I was 13, and I'm on Yamaha TW200 # 3. Absolutely love em! Here in [Central/Upstate] New York, there's a ton of seasonal highways / state land / etc. to ride, and lately, I've been taking advantage of quite a bit of em' again.. It was back in the mid & late 90s since I had my other two, so I jumped as fast as I could at the opportunity to grab this one.. 2013, showroom new condition, w/ only 47 original miles on it. Hundreds of miles later, I'm right back to feelin' like I did as a kid every time I throw a leg over it. Couldn't be happier! Mine is in the slow process of still being broken in as well as being set up as a mini-adventure-bike.. I even changed around my channel YT content to include my TW related stuff from now on.. For those who might be interested in these little rigs, quit wasting time, and just grab one! You'll be extremely happy that you did! 🤘😎 Sam -
Thanks Sam! I agree it's super fun and needs to be given a chance by almost any rider haha...there's a reason people who get one tend to keep it or get another one!
Yes indeed... I remember when a buddy of mine [who rides a Ducati litre bike] asked me why I bought a little Yamaha XT250. Thats a noob bike right? Well, no. I'm in my early 40's and started riding at 8yo. Spent over 2 decades on fast 2-stroke MX bikes. Rode on the streets as well since the early 00's. In that time, I have learned to appreciate the value of a good trail bike... especially for dual sport riding.
The TW was originally advertised as agricultural equipment and, from what someone told me, is advertised in Australia as the AG200, since there, it is still considered agricultural. I believe it was originally meant for farms and ranches, herding cattle and such, hence its low gearing and ability to pretty much go anywhere and damn near "bullet proof".
I ride in Spain a Vanvan 125 fuel injection, cherry colour. The difference with the 200 is very small. I come from heavier and faster stuff, but the Vanvan is just great. I love loosing myself in small roads and mountain trails. I even do long trips, avoiding highways. In 8 years not one single problem. I use it to commute too. Every ride is an adventure. I now wonder why we need more powerful bikes which are much less fun than these. I'm 6' 2'' but I don't miss bigger boats.
I’m turning 70 in July and will keep my 2019 BMW 1250 GSA, but I put a deposit down on a 2021 TW a couple days ago for the gnarlies. Taking delivery end of the month, hopefully. Thanks for your video.
BMW long distance and some off road fun. I have been riding my TW way more than my 1250, it's actually collecting dust. TW i go everywhere except long distance (400 miles+). I am thinking about selling my Beemer.
I been riding off road for years. Starting off with minibikes, Honda 50, SL70, My first motorcycle Yamaha 125 AT2 1972 Enduro. Now Called 'Duel Sport. I loved it because I could ride on the street to get to the trails. I installed knobby tires, change front rim to 21 inch from 18 inch to make it handle better. Expansion Chamber Pipe for better horsepower and sound of two cycle, 'Ring A Ding Ding'. My present ride Kawasaki 250 KDX Enduro, Street Legal. Great Trail Bike. I rode a Yamaha 200 TW years ago. I like the big tires, but was. Slightly Disappointed In Horsepower & Performance. I still would like to get one. I do like the simple air cool engine With A Carburetor. Makes It So Easy To Work On and Dependable. God Speed Your Journeys, Mr. Mark. I loved it because a could ride on the str
I've been riding since 1975. Back in the day, I would have a dozen bikes at a time. I own, and just love my TW200. If I come across a VanVan 200 at the right price, and I have the pocket change that day, I will scoop one up.
The VanVan 200 is still available in Southeast Asia. I live most of the year in northern Thailand and am sorely tempted, but I have a Yamaha Aerox 155 scooter and a KTM Duke 390 already. You can't find decent TW200s over here. I've seen the occasional one. Right heaps. Alex, I'm sure the VanVan is just as reliable and has the same longevity.
I have a 2014 TW and a 2018 VanVan, TW is my trail/hilly terrain bike and the VanVan is my dirt/paved road cruiser. Speed wise, TW is 10mph faster than the VanVan on paved roads. I really enjoy both bikes.
I own a VanVan and that 10mph would make a difference to me. When I drive the backroads in my small Nevada town I have to constantly look for cars tailgaiting me ebcause I can't break 50ph on flat ground. It's a case of where going faster would be safer.
I've rode both, TW absorbs engine vibrations way better, this bike is great and design has barely changed through the years. The RV200 (van van) fuel injection makes it easier to maintain. Both are great farm and trail bikes. I use the RV200 for long cross country trips avoiding the interstates and the seat is extremely comfortable. If you need a rack for either one check out manracks from california.
I love my tw. You really can't go wrong buying this bike. I've taught 2 teens how to ride with this bike, road kids teens and adults around on it, road the highways, side roads, town, farm, woods, swamps. There's just no stopping it.
We have an 88 TW200 in the family. Easy to ride and bullet proof. Parts and mods are plentiful. Very rugged for off road. Hauls my 300 pound carcass up anything I dare point it at.
Van Van is not only air cooled, it has an oil cooler too as far as I know...So you should have mentioned it because I think it can make big difference in terms of engine performance and engine life...Am I wrong?
i own both. The VanVan seat is comfy, but gets in the way off road. The front suspension on the TW handles rough terrain better, and both handle deep dust and gravel with ease, just keep moving and let the fat tires do their thing.
Got my first bike and went with a VanVan125 (beginner license here in UK means I can’t ride anything more than a 125 on this initial license). Glad I got it…low seat height means I can flat foot it easily (I’m only 5’7”) it’s very light and easy to move around both when riding and also just pushing around into and out of the garage. Can’t speak about the Yamaha, but the VanVan is perfect for London roads….everywhere has pot holes, speed bumps and speed cameras. The fat tyre and fat seat means I can just ride over all obstacles and I don’t feel a thing. Speed cameras, lots of city traffic etc means the low top speed is perfect. I can filter with no issues and beat cars of the line and never worry about getting caught speeding lol Brilliant bike, and glad I picked the VanVan over the other bike I was looking at - Honda Grom.
Was looking for a fire road and local putter for a separate mountain home ride when I visit. Dealers here in So Cal want 7500.00 to order a TW 200 to arrive in June (maybe)... Sorry, Im not paying that for a TW... Or 4k for a 30 yr old TW.... I found a super clean, like new, 250 miles, 2019 grey & brown for a great deal. Grabbed it and looking forward to cruising it. 👍 I like the TW, but dig Van Vans FI, OG looks, and limited availability. Both great rides, just too bad the dealers are raping folks for T dubs.
I have a 2017 van van 200 with upgraded suspension, rear rack with case and fuel cell, and just put an o-ring chain on it. Over 5000 miles of smiles with this bike.
I first encountered (and the only time I encountered) the VanVan 200 was in 2017 at a local dealer. Genuinely the only thing I remember about it was how insanely plush that seat was. Felt like I was sinking into a LaZboy. Additionally on your point of not having to look hard to find a TW200 used. I have seen exactly 3 used models go up for sale in the past 3 years within 100 miles of me, and I rarely see them new near me either. In fact, I can't find one for sale in my entire state right now.
We've had both TW200's and older Honda Trail 90 and Trail 110's and have ridden them extensively. Used the TW's to introduce new riders to motorcycles, for around town riding, and even gave them a pretty good workout doing dual-sport trips. The Trail 90 and 110's, while not exactly the same as the new Trail 125, but I think will be pretty similar to the new 125. It would be fairly difficult to do a true head-to-head comparison of the TW to the Honda Trail bikes as they really are quite different. That said, here are some of the differences we noted in riding both: The TW is highway and even Freeway legal in all 50 states. Realistic max speed for the TW varies a bit with rider size and riders tolerance for instability, but 65 is do-able without changing the sprockets to get more speed. We really would go to some lengths to limit time on high-speed highway and freeway segments when riding the TW's, but again could do so when needed. The Trail will not be Freeway legal, and is iffy at best on major highways due to it's low top speed and low power and torque. The realistic max speed for the Honda Trail bikes was around 45 mph. Yes, ducking down (streamlining) we could wind the Trails out and maybe get 50 mph, but if you are north of 170# don't count on it. The difference in the power and power delivery of the TW vs the Trail is really apparent, and a very big difference between the two bikes. The TW just feels "usable" and more motorcycle-like, where the Trail models felt more scooter-like Next, off pavement capability- The TW's really work well on gravel/forest-road type stuff, and do well in sandy loose conditions. The wider tires float over most stuff, and if you can keep your weight back, they just feel like they are floating over sand and silt. The Trails, well, not so much. The skinny front tire does what you would expect, plowing a lot, and the narrow rear sinks in. The lack of torque of the Trail really shows in sand and silt, especially if you are used to blasting through soft sand segments. The low gear range on the older Trail models helped at bit, adding torque in low range, but the speed limitation limits the usefulness for longer rides. Technical riding: The suspension on the older Trail models was anemic at best. Travel, dampening and rebound all were lacking. This made technical segments, especially larger rocky patches, well, miserable. I think the name says it best, the Honda Trail bike was designed for trails, fairly smooth and not too rocky. The TW do much better in technical riding, but the stock suspension is also anemic. The smaller diameter front tire tends to follow ruts and twist-off large rocks, but that is off-set a bit by tire width. The torque is adequate but expect to feather the clutch a lot when the going is really rough. Gearing down a tooth or two on the front sprocket is an option, but does lower top speed. That said, the TW really is very capable on rough, tough, rocky and sandy roads, trails and paths. We rode the Old Mojave Road with a couple of guys on TW's and they had no problems keeping up or getting through anything. In many instances the smaller, lighter and wide tired TW sort of out-did the bigger dual-sports. We rode the TW's over quite a bit of the Old Spanish Trail through eastern California and Nevada, and they did great. Next, carrying gear/camping- The Trail models had the little cargo rack on the rear, which you often see fitted with an old plastic milk crate or Rubbermaid crate. Those worked fine for light stuff, and excelled at a quick trip to the grocery store for a couple of things. But once again, the limited suspension really limited how much weight you wanted to carry back there. I don't remember seeing much in the way of pannier racks or other cargo racks for the Trail models, but they may be available or become available for the Trail 125. There are lots of options for racks for the TW's including front racks that go below the head-light for smaller stuff, to full rear racks suitable for panniers and top loads, The suspension seems to do OK up to a modest load on the rear, and size-wise there was enough room to pack out for a weekend or modest multi-day trip. Suspension upgrade is an easy option for the TW as well. Passengers- We very quickly decided that we just would not attempt to carry passengers on either bike. Too little room, too little suspension, and just never felt safe. I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying that, and someone will surely post an image from Southeast Asia showing a dad, mom and three kids all riding on a Honda Trail or Cub probably carrying a few chickens in cages as well, but for us, a passenger just wasn't in the works. Range- both the TW and Trail models were gasoline sippers. The Trail would go about 100 miles or so depending on speed. At 35-45 mph the range really went down. The TW's would go about 130 miles or so dependably. Both bikes have very small fuel tanks. A big difference is that there are a number of optional fuel tanks that will fit on the TW's, and just a quick bit of research on the TW forums will point you to them. Getting double the range on the TW with a bigger main tank is fairly easy, and with a bit of work and fitting even more is possible. There was just no way to increase the main fuel tank size on the Trail models. We have seen several Trails with auxiliary fuel tanks fitted at the rear. Don't know how they plumb them in, but I guess it is possible. Last, general impressions and fun factory- Here is where one bike really outdid the other. The Trail feels like the small, low power step-through that it is. Sure it was fun to putt around town and on trails, but just not thrilling. The TW on the other hand was just a hoot to ride. I often would talk one of my riding buddies into putting on a disguise so as not to be recognized, and going on a ride on the TW's, usually heading for some tight twisties right-off. Well, the grin-factor charging around the tight-twisties on a TW is about an 11. The sensation of speed is there, without really going fast. Rolling out of a tight turn and grabbing a full twist of throttle, well, yeah, just a hoot. Not really fast, just a hoot. Same to be said for riding the back-roads and lanes. The TW's just were FUN. Wish I could put it into better words. I often would walk past the other bikes in the garage (some with well-over 100 hp and neck-jerking acceleration) and take the TW out for a while when I just wanted to unwind a bit. Never did that with the Honda Trails. At one point I actually put a street oriented 60/40 tires on one TW instead of the knobbies just for winding around the back roads. Really didn't make that much difference as the stock TW tires actually work surprisingly well on pavement, but the TW was so fun I just had to try what I thought would be grippier tires. I don't think comparing the TW200 to the Honda Trail is fair to the Honda. The Honda is designed for a different purpose than the TW, which it does well. I am thinking that the new Trail 125 will be much the same as the old Trail110, which really is a good thing.
As a previous owner of a Suzuki DR200 which uses the same engine as the VanVan I can assure you it is bulletproof albeit not a powerhouse that really doesn't like going more than 50mph on pavement. Yes it can go faster but it gets buzzy . The TW200 is built more for the rougher trail stuff and bit less for the pavement and the VAnVan a bit more for smoother trails and pavement . Both are very good as a trail bike for most of us .
I have rode both on and off-road. I would choose the TW-200 because it rides better off-road than the Van Van due to the TW having better suspension. The TW has a lot more travel which makes a big difference off-road. But on the the street, or going up hill they feel the same, slow-mo t o.
Good comparison. I searched this today because I it's as A van van today. Nice looking bike for sure. I also owned a tw200 and put 47000 miles on it in 4 years. Fdid a top end at 37000 miles and fun fun fun. Would buy a fleet of them if I was Dominos Pizza.
I have a VanVan200 and a 2020 Suzuki DR 200s. The engines are identical except the DR is carbed, runs higher RPM and puts out 4 more HP. The transmissions are identical. Even the gear ratios are the same. The only difference I can see is the length of the shifter arm. All other mounting holes are the same. Just rode 130 miles with my wife. She on the VanVan "her favorite bike" and me on a Rebel 300. The VanVan can do 60 mph all day and surprised me off road with my DR 200 on some gnarly terrain.
The vanvan is the great great grand child of the suzuki rv 90 and rv125 two strokes, I had a 1973 RV125(bought it new) and rode the wheels off of it for years and yes the seats are very comfortable and that bike was fun to ride even in snow. So they've been doing on the market around 1970 or so.
I would buy the TW for all the stated reasons, but now that I’ve seen the Suzuki, I’d have to have a wide seat made up for the TW. Then swap the headlight out for a round one.
I have an older 1973 Suzuki RV125 is the bike which name was changed to Van Van or is what they were called in Japan. I love this bike. So much fun to ride.
I have a 75 rv125K “tracker” in Japan nicknamed “van van” which is Japanese for it keeps on going or something similar. They were always available in the domestic market albeit were two strokes not 4. You could either get a Rv50 70 or 125. Mine has a dual range transmission with the 4 speed while most were just a 5 speed. Depends on the year. Also oddly enough they came with split rims, tubed tires and a air pump similar to a bicycle hand pump so you could air the tires down for traction. Neat bike, street legal but great on the trails too with that low range.
Well sorry to hear it is not available, hut glad to hear that you are going to customize a GN250 to make it work! That is part of what makes motorcycles fun!
I had a trw 125 years ago.I want to go with a TW200.I have a Suzuki 250 cruiser.My wife hid the key's to my Kawasaki 1250,upgraded to 1500 cc.That sucker is 600 hundred pounds ,and will fly.I do like the tires on the TW200 better for sand. Now I need look at VanVan200. Take a test drive.I just like the fat tires.Cool video you made.
Thanks for the video. I agree, I think the TW200 is the way to go. It would be nice to see Yamaha give it a refresh though. Like Kawasaki did with the KLR 650.
Also some people put super fat front tyres on the Van Van, its forks are 8" apart, one more inch than the TW. Not sure about this for handling but looks cool. As standard they both use the same tyre size of 180/80 14 and 130/80 18 which works out to a total somewhere nearly as large as a normal 21" front.
Im a fan of the TW 200 and plan on buying one as a 3rd bike .. The van van does not do it for me , looks like they pieced it together from several different bikes
Well the VanVan is just a larger version of the bike Suzuki has been making outside the U.S. for a long time, but that's why different people buy each one, to each their own!
I own currently two TW200s, and have owned four total. I think I may be about to buy a VanVan 200 and sell my second/loaner/girlfriend bike TW. Since it gets ridden less, I feel that the VanVan (being slightly more modern, fuel injected, etc.) might be more forgiving of less maintenance and with the big pillowy seat and cute, vintagey appearance might be a little less intimidating to non-riders that I might loan it to (plus my girlfriend likes it better). I don’t expect it to be as good off-road, but then neither will be those who would ride it and I wouldn’t take them on terribly tough trails. Then again, the TW is SOOOOOOO great at everything, it’ll be tough to throw it over for a less capable bike.
@@AlexSimmons11c I certainly will! I’ve ridden a VanVan, and from what I could tell in an afternoon, it was essentially a super-(too) quiet, slightly smoother (EFI), TW with higher gearing and less suspension travel (not by much). Seemed to make power higher in the rev range, too, but that could’ve been an illusion due to the gearing. I think it could be made to be as capable off-road as most casual riders would realistically need. We’ll see, if I go that route. The TW is SOOO perfect, though...
A year ago I had a second gen KLR a first gen Concours and a TW 200. 95% of the time I jumped on the TW. I went crazy and sold the big bikes and kept the TW, simpler, less money and more fun.
I have owned and rode the shit out of both. Van van handles way better than tw. Rv has better brakes then tw. Forks and shock are same as tw so you can use racetech internals and shit. The only thing the van van needs is gussets on the foot peg brackets so they don’t bend from jumping. The engine is the same other than the output shaft to the engine in a dr200. This engine has proved itself for the last 40 years that it’s reliable. And the van van flat tracks like a framer🤟
I ride Van Van 125 and love it ;-) from european distribution bought in Poland great for filtering, sightseeing and light offroad... retro style makes it a head-turner the only issues are tiny fuel tank (ca 6L) and poor sound of stock silencer
If everything falls to the VanVan as far as likes and the ONLY thing you give the TW is it’s time in the game, that speaks much better about the VanVan. Yamaha need to step up and give America the TW250 it’s also had for decades, same exact bike but more power. Yamaha has been giving us the same old crap because it was unique, but with the VanVan here now, they are finally going to have to do some real improvements. BTW... Suzuki engine reliability has never been anything to sneeze at!
True statements haha, I wonder if the TW250 issue is emissions or something else stupid. There are a lot of bikes that don't make it to the State simply because they A) Don't think it will sell here, or B) can't make it fit with U.S. emissions at a decent price point.
I have a 125 van van got it new in 2007 and will never sell it , I am in the uk and they make fun back road bikes, our back roads are one car wide , if you meet a large tractor or truck you have to drive into the hedge because the brakes are rubbish, mine has a race can fitted so sounds faster than it is but bloody good fun
Bought a brand new van van, maybe the last one in the country it was a 2019 leftover and I bought it in 2021. But regardless I like the bike. But I'm still going to buy a TW when I can find a decent used one. That way I can talk people into going riding because I'll have both the bikes
I don't think you could go wrong with either one. You could claim that the TW200 retro styling is authentic having been in continuous production since the styling was new. Interestingly, the VanVan 125 has a 6 speed gearbox.
I did think that was interesting on the 125...but maybe they thought it needed one more? Or they got lazy and reused the gearbox from the DR200 on the VanVan 200 since they also borrowed the engine :-)
That can definitely be a concern, though I have found that even for 1-2 year models Suzuki (and the rest of the Japanese big 4) are pretty reliable on getting parts. For example the B-king was only a 1 year model here, and I never had problems getting parts to fix those if need be (keeping in mind that also shared an engine with the Hayabusa, but I digress). If that is the concern, then the TW wins for sure haha.
When you have fuel injection on a motorcycle or a car or a truck, and your battery goes dead. Even if your car or pick up truck are standard shift, as well as your motorcycle. If you have electronic fuel injection instead of a carburetor, you are not gonna be able to catch that in gear by drifting it down the hill and popping the clutch. do you need a pretty strong battery to power the ECU and the fuel pump to supply fuel to the fuel injectors and operate the system in order to catch it in gear.. unlike vehicles that are standard shift and have carburetors. If you get a dead battery because you left your key on by using the kill switch instead of turning the key off which is very very common. At least you can turn the key on drift on a hill pop the clutch and start a vehicle that a carburetor.. I explained this in one of my UA-cam videos, and I show how to make a very compact set of jumper cables that will fit on just about any motorcycle under the seat or in the saddle bag or in the tack bag.. That’s just one of the benefits of the Stone Age carburetor equipped vehicles. Not so Stone Age if it is a CV carburetor… it’s also a lot easier to get your bike back on the road if you happen to cross a creek and choke it out with water. Good luck if you have fuel injection getting it running again.. not as simple as a carburetor.. i’ve had quite a few bikes over the decades. I have bikes right now that have carburetors and fuel injection equipped bkes.. so if you ask me which is better. I answer is.. it depends…
I just rode a vanvan this whole last weekend. great bike, but a few things that bothered me that make more more interested in giving a TW a big try (and was already looking at them before this weekend). The forks were a bit too soft, dove too much on heavy braking. The throttle was way choppy at minor throttle input. I'm not sure if that's the fact it's fuel injected or the throttle wasn't adjusted right, but it really was a hinderance. All my bikes are carbed, and throttle input on those are wonderful. Finally, the SEAT. SCREW THIS SEAT. I'm not a big dude, and I'm average height, but this seat killed my left hip. It's comfy don't get me wrong, but that wide seat just killed my left hip. I'll definitely appreciate my more narrow (traditional width) seats from now on.
I’ve done the Motorcycle Safety Training and fell in love with the TW200 there. I love the look of the VanVan but never rode one. The only issue with the TW200 is no one sells it after they buy it! They keep it forever
I'm 66 have a 2019 TW and love it.
Awesome! Keep enjoying, have a great day!
Had a 2013 tw200 that I bought new in 2014. I moved down from a Yamaha Roadliner that, while it was paid off, I couldn't afford to maintain. Despite mentally preparing myself for the huge downgrade in power, I was still incredibly disappointed in how little power there was. But I bought it because I knew the engine was so basic that I could perform all the maintenance on it myself. There's something about working on your own motorcycle and the way it makes you appreciate and even fall in love with your bike. It quickly became one of my favorite motorcycles of all time - this coming from someone who has owned a YSR50, FZR400, Ninja250, Daytona675, Roadliner, and have ridden countless other bikes. If you could imagine the riding position and handling of a Speed Triple, but none of the power, this is what the TW reminded me of.
In the 3 years I owned it, I managed to put 25,000 miles on it. I took it everywhere, even packed it like a mule and rode it from Los Angeles to Salem, Oregon (pulling 65 the whole way on the highway), for school - then back down again after graduation. Finally, after school, I took it into the dirt for my first time. Now I will never get a dedicated street bike again - in the least, it must be a dual sport. I sold the tw after getting a 2018 klx250. When I sold it, I was so proud that the bike still ran as good as new, with 25,000 miles on it, knowing I was the only one who touched the engine.
Eventually I wanted a little more power and a better suspension, so I sold the KLX for a new WR250R. Despite now having what many believe to be the best Japanese dual sport, I still dream about the day I roll another brand new TW200 off the showroom floor. If I ever learn of any cash incentive, or that the TW is being discontinued, I would go into the dealership that day and pick one up. Wouldn't even think twice.
Great to hear that it made that much of an impression! Something amazing to be said about a bike you want to go back to that strongly!
The engine in the Suzuki DR 200 dual sport, that's been around for a long time, is identical to the van van, but has an added oil cooler, a great addition for street use... I personally believe that the Yamaha TW200 is a tougher bike, and better suited for more extreme offroad use, but the Van Van is such a stunning looking bike also, that's amazing on gravel roads, and sand. It's hard to choose, between the two. I live in Canada, and these Suzuki Van vans are extremely hard to find, I tried every dealer in Alberta, but all are sold out, they are bought in at very limited quantities. I ended up getting a Yamaha xt 250 instead, very capable bike, more power, suspension travel and hi way suitable. But I still love the short fattys, they are both incredible bikes.
I love both bikes, but I went with the Suzuki VanVan 200, mainly for the looks and fuel injection. I ride daily to work and don't have time for carbs any more. Also the VanVan has an oil cooler. The tire sizes are exactly the same as the TW200. Lot's of people stop and ask about the bike, since it's quite rare and unique.
They look so cool haha...I for one am a fan.
I just sold my cb500f and now I want a vanvan200 but I want to buy used and the tw200 is the only option around ke
How hard was the VanVan to find? I'm having a hard time finding them here or even in neighboring states.
Same，”Lot's of people stop and ask about the bike”
100% agree. I'm 54 and own a TW and love it. Like you said, the only 1ups the VanVan has imo, is fuel injection and comfy seat. I mostly ride in the NJ Pine Barrens but I've also ridden it 32 miles to work and got 80+ mpg (all county back roads).
Well presented. Thanks for listening to your subscribers!!
That fuel economy is a huge plus to both hahaha...it's hard to ignore to legendary status and history of that TW...
I get great 85+ mpg on my Kawasaki KLX250 dual purpose bike with road tyres. Love the mpg. Would love a new TW200 but they don't sell them in the UK
@PineyRider, while riding the Pine’s, you didn’t happen to see that interior designer who killed all those Czechoslovakians, did you?
@melodymakermark Never heard about that one. When was this? I did know Heather Lee Armijo, who was murdered 25 years ago around April 29th in 1999. Joseph T Austin, her killer is eligible for parole in 10 years. She'll still be dead. He tortured animals and moved on to an innocent 20 yr old girl.
@PineyRider, 🤣
It was from a Sopranos episode. Being a Tennessee boy, it’s what comes to mind when I hear “pine Barrons”.
I have the predecessor of the van van 200.
I have a 1973 RV125
I'm currently reconditioning the entire bike. Prior to starting the reconditioning the bike ran perfectly.
My father purchased the bike in 1977, used, it sat in his pole barn for almost 40 years until he passed and I was able to get the bike.
I figure I'll have it back together by end of March, 21...
I've never owned a motorcycle, but I really want a tw200. Was never big on speed, but I like the idea I've being able to drive through the city and through trails.
I got the Van Van 2 weeks ago. Love it...cannot stop smiling it's so much fun.
I owned the grandfather to the VanVan, the RV-90. it was my first bike.
Awesome! Enjoy!!!
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I've had my VanVan for 2 years. No issues. Love it.
@@danstromness5165 I remember them. Dual range transmission? 2 stroke heavy beast!!
These are both so beautiful. I love the style of these retro bikes.
Me too :-)
I think you're killing it with these small cc comparisons. Filling a gap that I see in the motorcycle UA-cam community
Right? I try to ride my Burgman 650 to work as much as possible, and on occasion my TW. To me, a motorcycle should be able to take you places cars can't. You don't have to have a car engine in a motorcycle!! 500cc's will get you anywhere 2300 cc"s will!! Ride to work! It's a little taste of the weekend every day!
I figured there must be a need for it because I get SOOOO many questions and requests to do the small cc stuff haha
I've been contemplating buying the TW but I'm convinced I must have one now.
I see a purple TW125 locally, looks great. Not common here in Scotland
Give it a shot! Not like they are expensive anyway hahaha
Yes get one , trust me .
I seriously love my ‘17 VV200. I have big bikes, fast bikes, and dirt bikes, but when I just want to jump on and have fun, the VV brings a smile every time!
You nailed it!
I just turned 40, I've been riding since I was 13, and I'm on Yamaha TW200 # 3. Absolutely love em!
Here in [Central/Upstate] New York, there's a ton of seasonal highways / state land / etc. to ride,
and lately, I've been taking advantage of quite a bit of em' again.. It was back in the mid & late 90s
since I had my other two, so I jumped as fast as I could at the opportunity to grab this one..
2013, showroom new condition, w/ only 47 original miles on it. Hundreds of miles later,
I'm right back to feelin' like I did as a kid every time I throw a leg over it. Couldn't be happier!
Mine is in the slow process of still being broken in as well as being set up as a mini-adventure-bike..
I even changed around my channel YT content to include my TW related stuff from now on..
For those who might be interested in these little rigs, quit wasting time, and just grab one!
You'll be extremely happy that you did!
🤘😎
Sam -
Thanks Sam! I agree it's super fun and needs to be given a chance by almost any rider haha...there's a reason people who get one tend to keep it or get another one!
I'm 40 on a yz80 watch out!!!
Hi Sam lol 😆
@@dualdorks Hi Dustin! 🤘😂
Yes indeed... I remember when a buddy of mine [who rides a Ducati litre bike] asked me why I bought a little Yamaha XT250. Thats a noob bike right? Well, no. I'm in my early 40's and started riding at 8yo. Spent over 2 decades on fast 2-stroke MX bikes. Rode on the streets as well since the early 00's. In that time, I have learned to appreciate the value of a good trail bike... especially for dual sport riding.
The TW was originally advertised as agricultural equipment and, from what someone told me, is advertised in Australia as the AG200, since there, it is still considered agricultural. I believe it was originally meant for farms and ranches, herding cattle and such, hence its low gearing and ability to pretty much go anywhere and damn near "bullet proof".
The school I went to for my MC license had a fleet of Rebel 250’s and one TW200. I made sure the TW was mine. Made the class so much fun.
I ride in Spain a Vanvan 125 fuel injection, cherry colour. The difference with the 200 is very small. I come from heavier and faster stuff, but the Vanvan is just great. I love loosing myself in small roads and mountain trails. I even do long trips, avoiding highways. In 8 years not one single problem. I use it to commute too. Every ride is an adventure. I now wonder why we need more powerful bikes which are much less fun than these. I'm 6' 2'' but I don't miss bigger boats.
Awesome to hear it Turvyjj! Keep riding and enjoying, no reason to go bigger when it does everything you want!
I also had the candy red vanvan 125 it sold it 2 years ago, I wish I had kept it now
I’m turning 70 in July and will keep my 2019 BMW 1250 GSA, but I put a deposit down on a 2021 TW a couple days ago for the gnarlies. Taking delivery end of the month, hopefully. Thanks for your video.
BMW long distance and some off road fun. I have been riding my TW way more than my 1250, it's actually collecting dust. TW i go everywhere except long distance (400 miles+). I am thinking about selling my Beemer.
It's been a minute, how do you like the TW200?
The TW 200 is a CLASSIC! I finally got mine the other day. 👌🏽
You buy a TW200 new, because a used one costs the same if it is well taken care of.
I been riding off road for years. Starting off with minibikes, Honda 50, SL70, My first motorcycle Yamaha 125 AT2 1972
Enduro. Now Called 'Duel Sport. I loved it because I could ride on the street to get to the trails. I installed knobby tires, change front rim to 21 inch from 18 inch to make it handle better.
Expansion Chamber Pipe for better horsepower and sound of two cycle, 'Ring A Ding Ding'. My present ride Kawasaki 250 KDX Enduro, Street Legal. Great Trail Bike.
I rode a Yamaha 200 TW years ago. I like the big tires, but was. Slightly Disappointed In Horsepower & Performance. I still would like to get one.
I do like the simple air cool engine With A Carburetor. Makes It So Easy To Work On and Dependable. God Speed Your Journeys, Mr. Mark.
I loved it because a could ride on the str
I've been riding since 1975. Back in the day, I would have a dozen bikes at a time. I own, and just love my TW200. If I come across a VanVan 200 at the right price, and I have the pocket change that day, I will scoop one up.
The VanVan 200 is still available in Southeast Asia. I live most of the year in northern Thailand and am sorely tempted, but I have a Yamaha Aerox 155 scooter and a KTM Duke 390 already. You can't find decent TW200s over here. I've seen the occasional one. Right heaps. Alex, I'm sure the VanVan is just as reliable and has the same longevity.
I have a 2014 TW and a 2018 VanVan, TW is my trail/hilly terrain bike and the VanVan is my dirt/paved road cruiser. Speed wise, TW is 10mph faster than the VanVan on paved roads. I really enjoy both bikes.
I own a VanVan and that 10mph would make a difference to me. When I drive the backroads in my small Nevada town I have to constantly look for cars tailgaiting me ebcause I can't break 50ph on flat ground. It's a case of where going faster would be safer.
I've rode both, TW absorbs engine vibrations way better, this bike is great and design has barely changed through the years. The RV200 (van van) fuel injection makes it easier to maintain. Both are great farm and trail bikes. I use the RV200 for long cross country trips avoiding the interstates and the seat is extremely comfortable. If you need a rack for either one check out manracks from california.
Thanks for the added thoughts Javier!
I love my tw. You really can't go wrong buying this bike. I've taught 2 teens how to ride with this bike, road kids teens and adults around on it, road the highways, side roads, town, farm, woods, swamps. There's just no stopping it.
Seems to be the thought from most TW owners, what a loyalty inspiring machine :-)
There are TW200 fork upgrade videos on UA-cam.
We have an 88 TW200 in the family. Easy to ride and bullet proof. Parts and mods are plentiful. Very rugged for off road. Hauls my 300 pound carcass up anything I dare point it at.
Van Van is not only air cooled, it has an oil cooler too as far as I know...So you should have mentioned it because I think it can make big difference in terms of engine performance and engine life...Am I wrong?
VanVan 200 owner here.. Its awesome. And the engine is from the DR200. Been around in NA for as long as the TW.
True enough! Great little bike :-)
The TW has been around since 1987 (1986 manufactured), the VanVan since 2017-2019 (?) right?
@@papatorr3669 yes VanVan has only been in NA 2 years. I was talking about the DR200... Meaning the VanVan Engine has been around as long as the TW
i own both. The VanVan seat is comfy, but gets in the way off road. The front suspension on the TW handles rough terrain better, and both handle deep dust and gravel with ease, just keep moving and let the fat tires do their thing.
Thanks for the input from someone who owns both!!
Got my first bike and went with a VanVan125 (beginner license here in UK means I can’t ride anything more than a 125 on this initial license). Glad I got it…low seat height means I can flat foot it easily (I’m only 5’7”) it’s very light and easy to move around both when riding and also just pushing around into and out of the garage. Can’t speak about the Yamaha, but the VanVan is perfect for London roads….everywhere has pot holes, speed bumps and speed cameras. The fat tyre and fat seat means I can just ride over all obstacles and I don’t feel a thing. Speed cameras, lots of city traffic etc means the low top speed is perfect. I can filter with no issues and beat cars of the line and never worry about getting caught speeding lol
Brilliant bike, and glad I picked the VanVan over the other bike I was looking at - Honda Grom.
Was looking for a fire road and local putter for a separate mountain home ride when I visit.
Dealers here in So Cal want 7500.00 to order a TW 200 to arrive in June (maybe)... Sorry, Im not paying that for a TW... Or 4k for a 30 yr old TW....
I found a super clean, like new, 250 miles, 2019 grey & brown for a great deal. Grabbed it and looking forward to cruising it. 👍
I like the TW, but dig Van Vans FI, OG looks, and limited availability.
Both great rides, just too bad the dealers are raping folks for T dubs.
Just what I needed to know.
Thanks for the info and advice with this gr8 video!
I have a 2017 van van 200 with upgraded suspension, rear rack with case and fuel cell, and just put an o-ring chain on it. Over 5000 miles of smiles with this bike.
Rebuilding a tw200, so hard to find parts!! Used or new, ebay, parts dealers, etc.
Tw 200 probably the funnest most durable bike ever made
I wish Yamaha would make like a tw 400 just to be a little bit better at speed
Even a TW250 would be nice.
same
It would be much heavier n take off that off road easy capability it now has
I first encountered (and the only time I encountered) the VanVan 200 was in 2017 at a local dealer. Genuinely the only thing I remember about it was how insanely plush that seat was. Felt like I was sinking into a LaZboy.
Additionally on your point of not having to look hard to find a TW200 used. I have seen exactly 3 used models go up for sale in the past 3 years within 100 miles of me, and I rarely see them new near me either. In fact, I can't find one for sale in my entire state right now.
Very good comparison. Thanks for clarifying the FI/carburetor difference.
No worries Domingo, have a great day and thanks!
I wonder how these will stack up compared to the new Honda 125 Hunters Cub?
Trying to find one to ride as we speak :-)
We've had both TW200's and older Honda Trail 90 and Trail 110's and have ridden them extensively. Used the TW's to introduce new riders to motorcycles, for around town riding, and even gave them a pretty good workout doing dual-sport trips. The Trail 90 and 110's, while not exactly the same as the new Trail 125, but I think will be pretty similar to the new 125. It would be fairly difficult to do a true head-to-head comparison of the TW to the Honda Trail bikes as they really are quite different. That said, here are some of the differences we noted in riding both: The TW is highway and even Freeway legal in all 50 states. Realistic max speed for the TW varies a bit with rider size and riders tolerance for instability, but 65 is do-able without changing the sprockets to get more speed. We really would go to some lengths to limit time on high-speed highway and freeway segments when riding the TW's, but again could do so when needed. The Trail will not be Freeway legal, and is iffy at best on major highways due to it's low top speed and low power and torque. The realistic max speed for the Honda Trail bikes was around 45 mph. Yes, ducking down (streamlining) we could wind the Trails out and maybe get 50 mph, but if you are north of 170# don't count on it. The difference in the power and power delivery of the TW vs the Trail is really apparent, and a very big difference between the two bikes. The TW just feels "usable" and more motorcycle-like, where the Trail models felt more scooter-like
Next, off pavement capability- The TW's really work well on gravel/forest-road type stuff, and do well in sandy loose conditions. The wider tires float over most stuff, and if you can keep your weight back, they just feel like they are floating over sand and silt. The Trails, well, not so much. The skinny front tire does what you would expect, plowing a lot, and the narrow rear sinks in. The lack of torque of the Trail really shows in sand and silt, especially if you are used to blasting through soft sand segments. The low gear range on the older Trail models helped at bit, adding torque in low range, but the speed limitation limits the usefulness for longer rides.
Technical riding: The suspension on the older Trail models was anemic at best. Travel, dampening and rebound all were lacking. This made technical segments, especially larger rocky patches, well, miserable. I think the name says it best, the Honda Trail bike was designed for trails, fairly smooth and not too rocky. The TW do much better in technical riding, but the stock suspension is also anemic. The smaller diameter front tire tends to follow ruts and twist-off large rocks, but that is off-set a bit by tire width. The torque is adequate but expect to feather the clutch a lot when the going is really rough. Gearing down a tooth or two on the front sprocket is an option, but does lower top speed. That said, the TW really is very capable on rough, tough, rocky and sandy roads, trails and paths. We rode the Old Mojave Road with a couple of guys on TW's and they had no problems keeping up or getting through anything. In many instances the smaller, lighter and wide tired TW sort of out-did the bigger dual-sports. We rode the TW's over quite a bit of the Old Spanish Trail through eastern California and Nevada, and they did great.
Next, carrying gear/camping- The Trail models had the little cargo rack on the rear, which you often see fitted with an old plastic milk crate or Rubbermaid crate. Those worked fine for light stuff, and excelled at a quick trip to the grocery store for a couple of things. But once again, the limited suspension really limited how much weight you wanted to carry back there. I don't remember seeing much in the way of pannier racks or other cargo racks for the Trail models, but they may be available or become available for the Trail 125. There are lots of options for racks for the TW's including front racks that go below the head-light for smaller stuff, to full rear racks suitable for panniers and top loads, The suspension seems to do OK up to a modest load on the rear, and size-wise there was enough room to pack out for a weekend or modest multi-day trip. Suspension upgrade is an easy option for the TW as well.
Passengers- We very quickly decided that we just would not attempt to carry passengers on either bike. Too little room, too little suspension, and just never felt safe. I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying that, and someone will surely post an image from Southeast Asia showing a dad, mom and three kids all riding on a Honda Trail or Cub probably carrying a few chickens in cages as well, but for us, a passenger just wasn't in the works.
Range- both the TW and Trail models were gasoline sippers. The Trail would go about 100 miles or so depending on speed. At 35-45 mph the range really went down. The TW's would go about 130 miles or so dependably. Both bikes have very small fuel tanks. A big difference is that there are a number of optional fuel tanks that will fit on the TW's, and just a quick bit of research on the TW forums will point you to them. Getting double the range on the TW with a bigger main tank is fairly easy, and with a bit of work and fitting even more is possible. There was just no way to increase the main fuel tank size on the Trail models. We have seen several Trails with auxiliary fuel tanks fitted at the rear. Don't know how they plumb them in, but I guess it is possible.
Last, general impressions and fun factory- Here is where one bike really outdid the other. The Trail feels like the small, low power step-through that it is. Sure it was fun to putt around town and on trails, but just not thrilling. The TW on the other hand was just a hoot to ride. I often would talk one of my riding buddies into putting on a disguise so as not to be recognized, and going on a ride on the TW's, usually heading for some tight twisties right-off. Well, the grin-factor charging around the tight-twisties on a TW is about an 11. The sensation of speed is there, without really going fast. Rolling out of a tight turn and grabbing a full twist of throttle, well, yeah, just a hoot. Not really fast, just a hoot. Same to be said for riding the back-roads and lanes. The TW's just were FUN. Wish I could put it into better words. I often would walk past the other bikes in the garage (some with well-over 100 hp and neck-jerking acceleration) and take the TW out for a while when I just wanted to unwind a bit. Never did that with the Honda Trails. At one point I actually put a street oriented 60/40 tires on one TW instead of the knobbies just for winding around the back roads. Really didn't make that much difference as the stock TW tires actually work surprisingly well on pavement, but the TW was so fun I just had to try what I thought would be grippier tires.
I don't think comparing the TW200 to the Honda Trail is fair to the Honda. The Honda is designed for a different purpose than the TW, which it does well. I am thinking that the new Trail 125 will be much the same as the old Trail110, which really is a good thing.
@@taildown Yeah, I just bought an 02 Honda Nighthawk 250 so....
StickPeopleAndPuff- The best bike in the world is the one you get to ride. All the others don't really matter. Congrats on your new bike.
@@taildown I fell in love with it and its a fun little bike. I look forward to getting my feet wet with it.
I’m in England , I’ve just bought a 2002 van van 200 ,it’s a low mileage Japanese import , I’m looking forward to getting it road registered .
Thanks for the great review! Very informative and quite objective comparison.
I really want a small displacement motorcycle but they are next to impossible to find where I live on the secondhand market.
As a previous owner of a Suzuki DR200 which uses the same engine as the VanVan I can assure you it is bulletproof albeit not a powerhouse that really doesn't like going more than 50mph on pavement. Yes it can go faster but it gets buzzy . The TW200 is built more for the rougher trail stuff and bit less for the pavement and the VAnVan a bit more for smoother trails and pavement . Both are very good as a trail bike for most of us .
I have rode both on and off-road. I would choose the TW-200 because it rides better off-road than the Van Van due to the TW having better suspension. The TW has a lot more travel which makes a big difference off-road. But on the the street, or going up hill they feel the same, slow-mo t o.
The VanVan reminds me of a British scrambler. I like the look.
I wonder if the headlight and plastic cowl on the Tw200 will fit the RV200
Both of these are great bikes, but that seat on the Suzuki is a couch. Most comfortable seat I have ever sat on.
It sure is hahaha
Good comparison. I searched this today because I it's as A van van today. Nice looking bike for sure. I also owned a tw200 and put 47000 miles on it in 4 years. Fdid a top end at 37000 miles and fun fun fun. Would buy a fleet of them if I was Dominos Pizza.
I have a VanVan200 and a 2020 Suzuki DR 200s. The engines are identical except the DR is carbed, runs higher RPM and puts out 4 more HP. The transmissions are identical. Even the gear ratios are the same. The only difference I can see is the length of the shifter arm. All other mounting holes are the same. Just rode 130 miles with my wife. She on the VanVan "her favorite bike" and me on a Rebel 300. The VanVan can do 60 mph all day and surprised me off road with my DR 200 on some gnarly terrain.
Mine is a 125, 6 speed. Great on fuel and easy to maintain. Very comfortable, love it! At this point I think I never gonna sell it
Great review!
I have a 2020 T dub and love it!
Thanks! The positive feedback always means the world in a sea of negativity on the internet!
The vanvan is the great great grand child of the suzuki rv 90 and rv125 two strokes, I had a 1973 RV125(bought it new) and rode the wheels off of it for years and yes the seats are very comfortable and that bike was fun to ride even in snow. So they've been doing on the market around 1970 or so.
I would buy the TW for all the stated reasons, but now that I’ve seen the Suzuki, I’d have to have a wide seat made up for the TW. Then swap the headlight out for a round one.
Nice review!
I wonder which bike has the larger gas tank?
we had the last yamaha TW200 in 2006 here in Australia but never have the VanVan here only the RV125 cheers from Steve /australia
From what I understand that 125 is quite the little scrapper itself haha
Planning on buying a Tdub soon.
I have an older 1973 Suzuki RV125 is the bike which name was changed to Van Van or is what they were called in Japan. I love this bike. So much fun to ride.
I have a 75 rv125K “tracker” in Japan nicknamed “van van” which is Japanese for it keeps on going or something similar. They were always available in the domestic market albeit were two strokes not 4. You could either get a Rv50 70 or 125. Mine has a dual range transmission with the 4 speed while most were just a 5 speed. Depends on the year. Also oddly enough they came with split rims, tubed tires and a air pump similar to a bicycle hand pump so you could air the tires down for traction. Neat bike, street legal but great on the trails too with that low range.
I'm 19 and I would love to ride tw 200. Unfortunately it's not available in my country. I decided to buy Suzuki gn 250 and make it more off road.
Well sorry to hear it is not available, hut glad to hear that you are going to customize a GN250 to make it work! That is part of what makes motorcycles fun!
I had a trw 125 years ago.I want to go with a TW200.I have a Suzuki 250 cruiser.My wife hid the key's to my Kawasaki 1250,upgraded to 1500 cc.That sucker is 600 hundred pounds ,and will fly.I do like the tires on the TW200 better for sand. Now I need look at VanVan200. Take a test drive.I just like the fat tires.Cool video you made.
Thanks for the video. I agree, I think the TW200 is the way to go. It would be nice to see Yamaha give it a refresh though. Like Kawasaki did with the KLR 650.
Accessories for TW200 fit most years.
Thank you so much brother wouldn't mind having one of them I own a DRZ400 now 2019
Also some people put super fat front tyres on the Van Van, its forks are 8" apart, one more inch than the TW. Not sure about this for handling but looks cool. As standard they both use the same tyre size of 180/80 14 and 130/80 18 which works out to a total somewhere nearly as large as a normal 21" front.
He commented about speed being wanting. I came off Sea Island in Ga 80 mph with the wind at my back, also took it to Tx between cities and no problem.
If they would have a seat on that TW like the VAN VAN! They would have something
do you think a 2017 suzuki van van 200 with 250 miles is worth 4500.00?
Im a fan of the TW 200 and plan on buying one as a 3rd bike .. The van van does not do it for me , looks like they pieced it together from several different bikes
Well the VanVan is just a larger version of the bike Suzuki has been making outside the U.S. for a long time, but that's why different people buy each one, to each their own!
I own currently two TW200s, and have owned four total. I think I may be about to buy a VanVan 200 and sell my second/loaner/girlfriend bike TW. Since it gets ridden less, I feel that the VanVan (being slightly more modern, fuel injected, etc.) might be more forgiving of less maintenance and with the big pillowy seat and cute, vintagey appearance might be a little less intimidating to non-riders that I might loan it to (plus my girlfriend likes it better). I don’t expect it to be as good off-road, but then neither will be those who would ride it and I wouldn’t take them on terribly tough trails. Then again, the TW is SOOOOOOO great at everything, it’ll be tough to throw it over for a less capable bike.
If you do so you will have to let me know what your thoughts are as an owner of both!
@@AlexSimmons11c I certainly will! I’ve ridden a VanVan, and from what I could tell in an afternoon, it was essentially a super-(too) quiet, slightly smoother (EFI), TW with higher gearing and less suspension travel (not by much). Seemed to make power higher in the rev range, too, but that could’ve been an illusion due to the gearing. I think it could be made to be as capable off-road as most casual riders would realistically need. We’ll see, if I go that route. The TW is SOOO perfect, though...
A year ago I had a second gen KLR a first gen Concours and a TW 200. 95% of the time I jumped on the TW. I went crazy and sold the big bikes and kept the TW, simpler, less money and more fun.
I went VanVan for the fuel injection. Plus SUZUKI FTW!
Hahaha rock on!
I have owned and rode the shit out of both. Van van handles way better than tw. Rv has better brakes then tw. Forks and shock are same as tw so you can use racetech internals and shit. The only thing the van van needs is gussets on the foot peg brackets so they don’t bend from jumping. The engine is the same other than the output shaft to the engine in a dr200. This engine has proved itself for the last 40 years that it’s reliable. And the van van flat tracks like a framer🤟
Didn’t catch the list price on these 2?
How much for each?
Both around $4000 +/-
it varies a lot based on where you are etc, both "list" around $4000-4500 but can usually be found on sale.
I really like your no BS videos.
Seat removal to get to the battery on the TW200 is a nightmare. I cant get my seat back on
I hope they keep the TW carbed. I'm not anti fuel injection, I just like the if it ain't broke don't fix it approach. The less they change the better.
I ride Van Van 125 and love it ;-)
from european distribution bought in Poland
great for filtering, sightseeing and light offroad... retro style makes it a head-turner
the only issues are tiny fuel tank (ca 6L) and poor sound of stock silencer
The TW unfortunately is not available in Thailand
Really nice video, very enjoyable. I love my TW, but I’ve been cheating on her with a new love, my Gasgas 300txt trials bike.
Thanks for the vid. Cant find any second hand in Australia!
If everything falls to the VanVan as far as likes and the ONLY thing you give the TW is it’s time in the game, that speaks much better about the VanVan.
Yamaha need to step up and give America the TW250 it’s also had for decades, same exact bike but more power. Yamaha has been giving us the same old crap because it was unique, but with the VanVan here now, they are finally going to have to do some real improvements.
BTW... Suzuki engine reliability has never been anything to sneeze at!
True statements haha, I wonder if the TW250 issue is emissions or something else stupid. There are a lot of bikes that don't make it to the State simply because they A) Don't think it will sell here, or B) can't make it fit with U.S. emissions at a decent price point.
I have a 125 van van got it new in 2007 and will never sell it , I am in the uk and they make fun back road bikes, our back roads are one car wide , if you meet a large tractor or truck you have to drive into the hedge because the brakes are rubbish, mine has a race can fitted so sounds faster than it is but bloody good fun
Nice video! Two wonderful bikes.
Bought a brand new van van, maybe the last one in the country it was a 2019 leftover and I bought it in 2021. But regardless I like the bike. But I'm still going to buy a TW when I can find a decent used one. That way I can talk people into going riding because I'll have both the bikes
I don't think you could go wrong with either one. You could claim that the TW200 retro styling is authentic having been in continuous production since the styling was new.
Interestingly, the VanVan 125 has a 6 speed gearbox.
I did think that was interesting on the 125...but maybe they thought it needed one more? Or they got lazy and reused the gearbox from the DR200 on the VanVan 200 since they also borrowed the engine :-)
Very hard to find used in my area, when I do see one price is almost new, even for a 10 year old bike.
the front sprocket situation alone screams van van, however the Beta Alp 200 wipes the floor with both of them
Haha, never messed with the Beta, very possible!
@@AlexSimmons11c for the shorter rider the beta is faultless , or if you want more power the there is the 350, both using Suzuki engines
My biggest concern with the Suzuki would be getting parts if/when things break since it was only here for like... what? 3 years?
That can definitely be a concern, though I have found that even for 1-2 year models Suzuki (and the rest of the Japanese big 4) are pretty reliable on getting parts. For example the B-king was only a 1 year model here, and I never had problems getting parts to fix those if need be (keeping in mind that also shared an engine with the Hayabusa, but I digress). If that is the concern, then the TW wins for sure haha.
The motor is essentially the same as the DR200 which has been around forever.
Change the oil often on your TW. Off-road, water gets in there.
Well reasoned and well spoken.
I am short so I love this bikes.
Great choices, both of them!
Great review. Just got my 2nd TW. Thanks for video. Liked and Subbed
Awesome bike, enjoy it and ride safe!
@@AlexSimmons11c Cant ride yet. All the Hills where we ride are on fire!!!! Its Brutal.
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Thanks for the very informative video, hoping that this models will be manufactured also in the Philippines
When you have fuel injection on a motorcycle or a car or a truck, and your battery goes dead. Even if your car or pick up truck are standard shift, as well as your motorcycle. If you have electronic fuel injection instead of a carburetor, you are not gonna be able to catch that in gear by drifting it down the hill and popping the clutch. do you need a pretty strong battery to power the ECU and the fuel pump to supply fuel to the fuel injectors and operate the system in order to catch it in gear..
unlike vehicles that are standard shift and have carburetors. If you get a dead battery because you left your key on by using the kill switch instead of turning the key off which is very very common. At least you can turn the key on drift on a hill pop the clutch and start a vehicle that a carburetor..
I explained this in one of my UA-cam videos, and I show how to make a very compact set of jumper cables that will fit on just about any motorcycle under the seat or in the saddle bag or in the tack bag..
That’s just one of the benefits of the Stone Age carburetor equipped vehicles. Not so Stone Age if it is a CV carburetor… it’s also a lot easier to get your bike back on the road if you happen to cross a creek and choke it out with water. Good luck if you have fuel injection getting it running again.. not as simple as a carburetor..
i’ve had quite a few bikes over the decades. I have bikes right now that have carburetors and fuel injection equipped bkes.. so if you ask me which is better. I answer is..
it depends…
Great video. Lots of info I had not known.
I just rode a vanvan this whole last weekend. great bike, but a few things that bothered me that make more more interested in giving a TW a big try (and was already looking at them before this weekend). The forks were a bit too soft, dove too much on heavy braking. The throttle was way choppy at minor throttle input. I'm not sure if that's the fact it's fuel injected or the throttle wasn't adjusted right, but it really was a hinderance. All my bikes are carbed, and throttle input on those are wonderful. Finally, the SEAT. SCREW THIS SEAT. I'm not a big dude, and I'm average height, but this seat killed my left hip. It's comfy don't get me wrong, but that wide seat just killed my left hip. I'll definitely appreciate my more narrow (traditional width) seats from now on.
These comparos should start off with weight, seat height & cruising speed.
the Van Van does have an awesome seat.
Like a 200cc dual purpose couch :-)