I feel like Beartooth is riiiiight there. Like one breakout song away. But I also think Caleb can absolutely write a massive pop hit, but hes also a hardcore kid at heart who wants to stay true.
When I was hearing about them it was the time right before tik tok. Thinking they might have just missed the dot with that one 2016/17 or so release they had
Finn: As long as rock insists on limiting itself to guitars, bass, drums and vocals, rock has nothing new to offer Also Finn: A trumpet? Get that nerd shit out of my face
@@SpaghettiWithMeatSauce we need more violin piano orchestral type stuff like bmth live at Royal Albert Hall, I'm not a vampire revamped, and some of the stuff issues has done its beautiful when done well and creates a great contrast.
@@dobber43 chiodos, as awful as Craig Owen's vocals are, have been doing that since practically day one, one of their best albums is the one without Craig, Illumanaudio, but if you hate post hard-core and mathy shit in general, hopefully you can at least appreciate how long they've been incorporating violin, and the keys actually come from a member in the band, they're real, and that's dope.
I do think people sleep so much on the modern rock and metal scene and say blanket statements like "there's nothing interesting or original" but then you can show them a bunch of bands doing interesting unique shit and they'll be like "okay but they're an exception" when half the scene is doing different unique shit or evolving sounds in better ways. people just ignore it because its not shoved in their face and huge like stuff from the 2000s and before was
Royal Blood are definitely a band that have songs which are worthy enough to become classics in the near future. Songs like Figure It Out, Little Monster, Loose Change, Out Of The Black, How Did We Get So Dark, Lights Out etc are all great songs that will stand the test of time.
Use to love royal blood, hated their new album tho. I get you gotta change the sound but they changed it to a direction that I just don’t find interesting or good
I feel like Royal Blood, Nothing But Thieves, Nothing More, Boston Manor, Avoid all have the potential to get bigger in the more rock-side of things but they all need that wow factor to push them into "future classics" territory. This said, Royal Blood might have missed their chance as the whole Typhoons switch wasnt really taken very well by their fanbase but didnt seem to expand it either.
I’m surprised that Bad Omens was not mentioned. They’ve been steadily growing since Dethrone, but they also had a good break out Moment with their newest Album. I believe that they could become one of biggest bands of the new generation. I’m also kind of surprised that nobody said Can You Feel My Heart by bmth.
@@iamwontolla yes, but just in general that Bad Omens or bmth weren’t mentioned that much is kinda surprising considering that they carried the scene for a while in recent times.
@@phantomwarrior0313 agreed, im surprised architects wasnt brought up either, they are literally the band that metalcore has been ripping off for years due to how influential they are to the scene
I think the point about mainstream monoculture going away is super accurate. What's mainstream today feels less like what the majority likes and more like a plurality of what niche gets the most attention. What will be considered "classics" will likely going forward be the songs within various niches that attracted the most new faces into the group. For instance in metal right now that will likely be songs like to the hellfire and demolisher. What I think is key in making a classic within a niche is to have a solid foundation punctuated by one moment in the song that everyone is going to point to to react and clip and share. A real wow factor that people in and out of the niche can recognize as something special and impressive. Alex doing the insanely loud and inhumanly low Demolisher chant and the peak of the song, and Will's nasty animalistic screams capping off to the hellfire. These songs were defined by these brief widely shared moments, without overshadowing how well written the rest of the song is, allowing them to have staying power rather than just being remembered for that one cool part exclusively. I think what made poppy a flash in the pan in comparison is the way her songs were rooted in mainstream exploring the metal niche rather than being rooted in the niche itself. She made some cool songs that even my friends who didn't like metal at all were into, and it was a good median of what each of us liked, but since it wasn't strongly defined within the metal niche, metal heads were inevitably going to see it as a neat gimmick for a pop song and eventually forget, and then when the rapidly changing pop mainstream rotated it out of the cultural collective, it had nowhere to call home and was just sadly forgotten.
24:30 Something about Sleep Token just grabbed me from the beginning. And every single song they've put out (save for "Chokehold") just had my attention the first 10 seconds. I can see the Dillinger comparison, though I hope they make it farther than that. If you've heard Vessel's cover of "Hey Yaaa" by Outkast, they could EASILY write some radio classics. But they'd have to choose that, and I don't think that's what ST is about.
I think they could inadvertently become super successful and have a song that propels them to that level by accident. The Weeknd kinda proved that the mainstream pop audiences are more accepting of bizarre presentation and I think Sleep Token fits that mold perfectly.
BTBAM is my fav band all time but realistically they'll only be considered classic to fans of prog metal. Even some metalcore/deathcore fans think they're too "weird" to fully get into. I'd love to see them have that status, but I see them more in the way he talked about Sleep Token, big for a "cult" band.
I love Mastodon, BTBAM, and Periphery. Honestly I think that they have their niche cult fan bases, but will always be those bands that won’t ever be at the front of rock and metal. They’re all too innovative to have that sustained mainstream success. Mastodon specifically is constantly changing their sound, and more appeals to the prog crowd rather than mainstream metal. Majority of metal fans don’t like change.
The Death of Peace of Mind will be a certified classic within 10 years, especially if they continue their upward trajectory. Bad Omens bridged the gap with Noah's vocals to reach fans of multiple genres of music.
I think people are missing the train coming in for the Asian bands, which are bringing fresh energy into something that was once culturally western specific. However, if we're going to see this as a new genre instead of a cluster of genres, it will need a "big four" as rock and metal genres have done before. Currently, there is Babymetal (the creators), the Hu (the more rock side) and Bloodywood (the more metal side) in this "Asian metal" genre (if that is what we're considering). If another comes along, to fill out the fourth spot, I feel people are going to start paying attention to this snowball gaining speed, and adding to it rapidly, like what happened to nu metal in the 90's, which was also weird, quirky and fresh to us. You can definitely have 2nd waves, 3rd waves, etc. such as pop punk, but I feel the only thing that would reignite the interest, culture and publicity of rock & metal is a brand new genre. Trap metal could have done that if they weren't so niche in their sound (not saying they're bad, but they will only ever get a limited audience, like sad boi rap).
13:35 I used to love $uicideboy$ like several years ago (before they got overly popular and their music got lame) but this is sincerely just a pretty dumb statement... so you call this southern hip hop group a genre that they _clearly aren't_ and then when they tell you otherwise you insist "that's rock fans problem rock fans are close minded". so i guess if you say Cephalotripsy are "the new jazz" in your next video and when jazz fans say they aren't you're gonna say "jazz fans don't want anything new or different". like i usually don't pull quotes and scrutinize them like this but... it's just such a bizarre thing to say
Lorna shore in an interview with charismatic voice said that sleep token is his favorite band. I would agree. Sleep token has way more range and diversity of sound than most bands I hear. Their look inhibits them with mainstream audiences but they keep on surprising people like myself
Bad Omens - Just Pretend Bring Me The Horizon - Kingslayer Sleep Token - The Summoning Loathe - Two-Way Mirror Electric Callboy - Hypa Hypa Architects - Doomsday Spiritbox - Circle With Me Just a few off the top of my head from the last 5ish years
@@Djfmdotcom Totally agree, some of AIC's work is borderline sludge metal. But their entire catalog is brilliant however we want to categorize it, much like Tool.
@@dougk359 Absolutely! Sludge metal influences. NEVER considered them grunge even though the media portrayed it that way at the time. What do you think of AIC's newer stuff with the new vocalist?
@@Djfmdotcom I've seen them a couple of times with the new vocalist, and while he's not Layne (nobody is) he's really good and it's great that Jerry and their music has a chance to live on and touch the lives of a younger generation. Kind of the same with Stone Temple Pilots, it's great to be able to see them live even though they sound a 'little' different these days.
I'm very surprised when it comes to Rock nobody ever mentions the Texas Hippy Coalition, they been around for years and are the most rock a band could possibly be before becoming metal. In my opinion...
While I agree that Glow On is a top contender for a modern day classic, I think the song Gravity is what really made Turnstile crossover into the mainstream.
The thing about Sleep Token. I remember Finn always talking about one of the main indicators of a successful band is having a large female audience. Let me tell you then - ladies LOOOVE Sleep Token
Hope there's some new rock / metal that goes beyond and doesn't limit to guitar, bass and drums, there's 10x the world out there besides those instruments just within the confines of rock, let alone with any genre of music
I'm gonna disagree with Finn regarding the song writing being weak rn. I think generally if you look at any genre's big artists good song writing is hard to come by. Knocked Loose, Khubali Khan TX, Bad Omens, Counterparts, Sunami, Zulu are all great song writers and that's literally just off the top of my head. I think if you look at top 100 charts you're bound to find out boring red state rock bands with boring lyrics
Nobody else on UA-cam has the algorithm in a chokehold like you do. I am obsessed with your videos because I love rock and metal, but I could easily see your videos being incredibly popular with all kinds of people. You just have that sort of charisma and you embody something about UA-cam that we all want. Somehow you're relevant and yet you still seem very nostalgic. I would recommend your channel to anybody!
(Sorry for my bad English) MGK was my gateway to the world of rock/metal, the album tickets to my downfall came out at the end of high school and my friends and I only listened to Pop music and EDM, but when a girlfriend a friend of ours showed us Bloody Valentine, our jaws dropped, we loved that song and, consequently, we loved the album and when he released his second album, I ended up discovering Bring me the Horizon and Sleeping with Siren and I was sinking into the scene of metalcore and pop punk. (Obs: I have 19 yers old)
omg it's similar for me. I was a 5 Seconds of Summer fan, then Green Day and then those typical warped tour bands like sws. (I even saw them live recently, it was absolutely insane)
Completely disagree with your take on sleep token. I personally feel like they have arguably the best shot at mainstream success right now. I think the soul/R&B side of their style could be the key. Think about an artist like The Weeknd or Sam Smith who are not too far off from that side of sleep tokens sound. Both of those artists have had a bit of an “edgier” presentation with their latest releases which tells me that their audience could be accepting of a band with an image like Sleep Token. If sleep token manages to have a song that makes waves with that particular audience, I think they have a solid shot at massive mainstream success.
Problem is they don’t have the songs, and it doesn’t seem like they have any interest in writing stuff as accessible as sam smith or the weeknd. I wish they would, though!
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA I mean Trent Reznor didn’t think Closer would be a hit, but there’s no denying how huge that song was at the time. You could probably say the same thing about when MCR and Linkin Park took off. Their music came from a genuine place and came out at the right time. I think Sleep Token has probably the best shot at accidentally getting mainstream success in a similar fashion.
@@afroheadwes horseshit. Sleep Token makes incredibly weird music with super cringe "lore" behind it. It's slow and boring, and it never really builds into anything. Every song I've heard by them has made me feel like it wasn't really complete somehow. They're just too boring to really catch on and they're trying way too hard to be taken "seriously."
@@afroheadwes yea but sleep token doesn’t have that, I guess special feeling that LP and MCR has with their music, cuz imo both of these bands music is timeless, but I don’t think that will be the case for sleep token
Author & Punisher, both based on the novelty of a literal one man band playing single person performances with a death-synth mechasuit, and based on the sound & songwriting itself, I believe will be a future classic. At least one song. If I had to pick one, it would be Drone Carrying Dread, but it really could be any of them.
A lot of the scene in my area has gone from live bands to people making ambient, noise, and experimental heavier sounds using vinyl records, samplers, and foot peddles. It became a thing during the pandemic when bands couldn't jam around town. I've seen a lot of artists putting out music that's more of an aphex twin approach to sound and composition.
I have no clue what songs will have staying power in the popular culture but my own personal list of songs that if I put them on in 10 years I’ll probably still love are: Magnolia Park - 2009 If I Die First and SeeYouSpaceCowboy - bloodstainedeyes Sueco - Loser Darko US - Pale Tongue I wouldn’t say these are current favorite songs or even the songs I listen most but they all give me that vibe of these are gonna be the songs that come up on random and I’ll be transported back to 2018-2023 and be super into them.
18:04 Doing the opposite of reddit is how I have lived my life since I first became aware of reddit like 13 years ago or whatever. They truly are the cesspit of humanity over there.
What's going to happen is, some kpop management company is going to assemble a metal krock/pop hybrid group, 100 million teen girls will fall rabidly in love with them, and they'll be huge.
@@lunazen8661 a management company still assembled a hybrid group that 100 million teen girls (and full grown white men lol) fell rabidly in love with, and they are huge
@@tamamakiiti587 True, I just think that the kpop fanbase has a more intense impact into bringing something to the mainstream...they do NOT play when it comes to their faves, probably the strongest fanbase in the world. If one of the top kpop companies promotes a krock group, it probably will go back to the mainstream (considering gen z dictates pop culture now).
Holy Roller by Spiritbox feels like a modern classic, such a catchy ass song that’s still pretty heavy. I definitely see Lorna Shore, Bad Omens, Sleep Token, Turnstile and Falling In Reverse will all be looked back upon as classics. But I doubt the current music landscape in rock and metal will have bands reach the level of a Slipknot or MCR. It’s definitely more so people finding niche pockets of the scene they like.
Idk, I think Poppy is gonna inspire people. But not alone, all these other female/queer pop and rap artists going metal or metal artists taking pop influences are going to inspire a lot of people. In This Moment and Babymetal as older examples, Poppy, Rina Sawayama, Grimes, Ashnikko, Scene Queen, Delilah Bon, etc. as newer examples.
On your main channel. You should do a video on channels like equal vision and Deathwish. Cause I know you aren’t a huge fan of some of the bands. But 00s Equal vision records was really awesome. It almost had its own sound. Even with bands like Cirxa or Chiodos - they sounded different than band like A Day To Remember as far as production and style And then Death Wish in the 2010s was just killing it. And I mean Kurt ballou was killing it already- and Jane Doe was on Equal vision and produced by Kurt. And I’m sure there are other labels you could mention in that video. But just the way that different labels had their own sound in the early thousands. Not to mention Equal VISON was started by the Yourh Of Today guy. I just think it’s cool how the old school hardcore - then started producing post hardcore and stuff on equal video. And the fact that Kurt was involved with lots of those recordings. And then Jacob’s Dearh Wish also had a ton of Kurt Ballou production. For me personally those were my favorite years in music. You the man Finn. Thanks for the years of content.
Honestly, I think alternative music in general has one of the brightest futures ever, as "mainstream pop culture" kinda starts to shift and fade in the eyes of everyone. There is an incredible number of young people from all over the world who get inspired by all sorts of alternative music wether it is rock, metal, rap, alt pop or electronic music and all of these scenes and their new members can now be easily connected through the internet. Gatekeeping has also kinda gone back so the probality that we see might see like a classic hit song in 5 years that is a combination of pop, riddim, trap and djent by some brazilian/vietnamese duo that met on a random ass discord server is not 0 xd In all seriousness I think the metal and rock scene is not lacking in the songwriting department I think it's lacking in overall creativity. If you have like a thousand different bands that would all upload the weirdest most nonsensical shit that was only ever meant for the musician that wrote it you'd probably be closer to finding a new classic than you'd be digging in a thousand different tracks that were all made to impress someone else and gain respect within a scene.
That's also why bands such as Portal, Chaos Echoes, Deathspell Omega, Cult Of Fire, Teitanblood, War From A Harlot's Mouth, Cephalic Carnage, Bell Witch, Mournful Congregation, Revenge and Defeated Sanity will easily stand the test of time despite being underground acts.
The problem is most are only talking about what is trendy. A band like Holy Fawn is incredible. Not basic song structure and don’t sound like anyone else. Chat Pile is great and unique. Chelsea Wolfe is another that brings a lot of different sounds. Youth Code have really brought back the industrial sound but fused with hardcore instead of metal. In my opinion if we are talking a more rock sound it has to be something pushing boundaries and not hoping on a trend. Bands like Botch and DEP are classic bands now and they didn’t go over well when they came out.
“The type of people that would listen to Mastadon would like Ghost” Nailed it! I’m literally that guy. I loved mastodon the moment I discovered them back in 2006 when I was looking for new music to put on my MySpace page lmao The song was “The Wolf is Lose” btw Same when I heard Square Hammer for the first time. Love it right when I head it
i have absolutely thought the same way about lorna shore after the release of to the hellfire, and it'll probably be one of my "teenage years favorite" 10-15 years later.
I disagree. Metal has branched out and has all sorts of influence from other genres, not to mention metal bands from other cultures. Metal is more diverse than ever, and Metal fans are more open minded than ever. I disagree that Metal doesn't branch out.
Ghost are catchy song-writing gods. Their song Majesty is what caught my interest. I do miss their "heavier" side, but their stuff across the board is easy, entertaining, and fun to listen to. Plus, out of the countless metal and core shows that I've been to, Ghost remains one of my favorite live experiences overall when I saw them back in 2016.
Anything with super intricate, noisy, effect-laden soundscapes like that Daughters album, the Swans trilogy albums or Gilla Band I think is a very important direction for rock and metal music. Idles I'd say is a very accessible iteration of these kinds of bands and it's super cool seeing them gain the relatively successful status they have. I think neo-psychedelia has a lot of potential too for reshaping heavier music except the only people that listen to it are, of course, goddamn hippies. Metalheads and scene people, I demand, need to infiltrate the Impala-verse
I'm still mind blown that Lorna Shore became so huge, totally deserve it and they're incredible but if you were to tell me music like that would have 14M views on youtube in months I would have thought you were joking
I think G.O.A.T would go down as a classic over Playing God for Polyphia. It has garnered millions of views alone in reactions. I also feel that what defines a "classic" going forward will be what people end up reacting to the most for a while. The internet really is in a place of music being spread to different demographics and what really sticks is what can fit those molds. Also something like Pisces by Jinjer as that is one of if not THE biggest reaction video so far.
Alright folks. Time to make it happen. Get a horn section into a thrash or hardcore band. Finn has said Ska is close to his heart, but the masses could only really deal with Reel Big Fish.... horns in metal, and we'll have a hit, and it will solve the 4 piece band constraint that is holding rock back from proper innovation.
I kinda see metal becoming more like orchestra and theatre in a way. Not to say that alt-rock artists aren't working with orchestras too (Biffy Clyro has been innovative with it), but metal artists are definitely doing it the most (BMTH, While She Sleeps). Metallica was the earliest to do it that I can remember, with S&M in the late 90's. Edit: ranted a bit and shortened it, lmao
Ahh...s&m is such a great record. Full disclosure, I was definitely being a bit facetious, but absolutely love the response. Just to throw a name out, can not wait to see how Avenged Sevenfolds new album shakes out, given that they've recorded with a proper orchestra for this one
Going into this and felt like commenting before watching. I must say, from this lower vantage point, it just looks like a list of everything that is currently trending, maybe barring Ghost who are merely in the top segment of the food chain since some time. I'm looking forward to be proven wrong! Edit: turns out that the title was merely a bit misleading since the video was, rather, an evaluation of staying power for a number of currently trending rock bands. Quite an apt one too, I'd say.
I love you FInn, but I think you need to include the various genres of electronic music in your critique about artists creating innovative music. Some of the best producers are electronic music producers that produce beyond the scope of 808s and closed high hat trap beats that dominate popular rap and pop these days. There is so much innovation coming from so many producers in the bass music, IDM, EDM, dubstep, house, techno, hybrid tap, and various other electronic music genres. Look at most of the biggest festivals these days. A good percentage of festivals are mostly filled with DJs and producers DJing a multitude of genres in one set. Think about the famous EDC or Ultra music festival. Would love to help you explore a variety of electronic artists for your channel to include in the discussion.
I’m not an expert by any means but I’ve been a casual listener since the 90s- I stand by my statement that rap and pop are the biggest innovators these days. But electronic music was definitely the source of a lot of innovation in the past, as you said!
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA I recommend checking out the UA-cam channel “DEF.” Amazing performances by contemporary bass/electronic music producers and djs in a warehouse/skatepark setting. They play or rinse out a lot of genres in the electronic music scene, and play a lot of hip hop/rap as well. Exploring that channel can further prove my point that bass/electronic music producers and djs are definitely more innovative in that they progress and push the boundaries of production, including that of hip hop/rap production. A lot of the artists are huge in the festival and pseudo underground scene, but dont get that much recognition on radio or “mainstream” outlets or by the grammys. Also, check out the artist Wreckno. He was just on the cover of DJMag and Forbes just wrote an article about him. Amazing rapper and bass music producer and representation of the LGBTQ community.
You're damn right I'm going to disagree with that MGK pick. First of all you're going to tell me he's got the best pop punk songs to come out in a while? You're telling me he's better than knuckle puck, the story so far, neck deep, and others? You've got to be kidding. And here's the thing I used to like MGK. I liked his rap music, I thought he had heart. Idk what happened to him, whether it's Megan Fox or what, but he got weird and full of himself. He takes himself too serious for someone who isn't that good at singing or playing guitar. Did you see his aerials cover? Bad. Just bad. And I don't recall blink being hated, maybe I was too young. Maybe it's the type of people who think all new music is bad, which is not the case for me, although I'm still in my 20s. But blink never took themselves too seriously. Their songs were fun chill songs, with a few serious ones. Oh yeah, and you can't just start beef with Corey Taylor when you're trying to break into the scene. It's not a good look. It left a bad taste in people's mouths. I seem to disagree with you a lot, idk why I keep watching your videos. But anyway I can't believe you'd say there hasn't been anything new. Just sleep token for one. Spiritbox? There's new sounds out there, I don't think the rock metal scene has done everything already. Pop music has been doing the same crappy stuff for 20 years now, and you call that new and interesting?
I know A7X has been around for quite a while, but I feel like they are constantly forging new paths is music that will be looked upon as iconic classics, despite less radio playtime.
If you don't think Ghost is heavy enough, you haven't been to one of their live shows. Plus they've been pretty influential in the retro metal genre as seen in bands that incorporate a specifically '70s pop sound: Lucifer, Hallas, Church of the Cosmic Skull, and I'll throw in Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats as well. I went to the Hell's Heroes fest in Houston recently which featured a mostly "traditional heavy metal" lineup and I saw a ton of Ghost patches, so they still have a lot of credibility in that scene. Honestly most of the hate they get just comes with the territory of being the most popular metal band in the world and attracting a large "normie" audience, not dissimilar from metal snobs sneering at nu-metal, metalcore, and emo 20 years ago.
@Varg and so were Deep Purple and Scorpions. Metallica's black album was a pop album (number 1 on the Billboard album charts). Pop is a descriptor of appeal, not sound, and it isn't mutually exclusive to any genre. Ghost plays heavy riffs, sings dark gothic lyrics, and has a big gothic aesthetic, pretty clear cut heavy metal band to me. The Abba influence doesn't subtract from that at all
Machine "I'm not waiting till she's 18, I'll go now" Kelly does not deserve Megan Fox and def doesn't have the staying power to be a classic after being mostly known for losing a diss battle with Eminem....so he's a classic public defeat in that respect. As he deserves. MGK historically looks awful to anyone that's a not white boy, I can't imagine the future generally wanting to remember him.
The anime fandom is pretty open to rock and metal through insert songs. Series like Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen have gotten plenty of mainstream recognition. I don't know if you could consider them classics in the same way as you are describing, but with how popular anime is now, I feel like a lot of new rock and metal will be influenced by Japanese music.
The Polyphia song you picked, I don’t know them at all, isn’t new. It’s classical music. It may be being presented in a new way, but that’s as old as it gets
i've been listening to a lot of Spiritbox and Conquer Divide since last year, and this year Sleep Token (i know , late) i would also recommend The Warning , a cool more classic rock sounding female band .
I kept seeing imagery for this Ghost band, the evil looking pope etc without ever listening to their music. I expected it to be death metally, Rammstein'ish etc........then I heard it, uhm ok lol 😂
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@@Djfmdotcom Yeah I had to move because the cost of rent went so high it was impossible to stay and that was after living there for many many years. It still is one of my favorite places. I worked with animals there lol Even the surrounding areas are beautiful but there is something special in my heart about Asheville itself. Say hey for me!! Have a blast!!!!!
Polyphia won't go down as a classic in the terms of FOB, etc because it doesn't have lyrics and instrumentals don't tend to be "classics" in pop culture like songs with words are. Agree that they're revolutionizing guitar, but unless they add a vocalist they're gonna stay where they are.
I can say I am pretty invested in the current wider scene, probably a bit too much, and still agree with most of the arguments here, it's not just an age or interest thing. Still, there are interesting things happening, but they cant build up momentum because of the whole "death of the mono culture" thing. It might be worth adding Bad Omens here BUT there are not there yet and need to really push the TFOPOM material further to maybe get there. Same with Spiritbox, as long as they continue in the Rotoscope direction. As much as I love them, I think Electric Callboy have reached their peak and cant really surprise us with anything, especially with the reaction scene arguably in something of a decline. Pretty much along what has already been said but as far as "stars" go nowadays, Ronnie, Courtney, Will Ramos are probably as close to what we consider a celebrity as you can get these days, maybe with the addition of Noah Sebastian and few others but thats about it. Looking forward to checking who was right and wrong around 2030-2040...
I'm sorry but saying that in the future kids will say Lorna shore is so important is like bands today saying Dr. Acula was so important they now make music the way they do. It was a heavy music that came and went.
Finn, not to argue, simply to get your opinion bc I've never heard you really talk about it. Will you explain what exactly makes Lil Uzi Vert "rock"? Bc he's absolutely a rapper...
Ghost found the perfect balance where for metal listeners who have heard it all already its catchy and easy listening but also its soft enough that the complete normies and beginners to "harder rock sound" dont get turned off. Its no wonder they got so big. I mean my friends who say they dont like metal have ghost on their playlists haha that tells it all.
i feel like falling in reverse is the biggest band in the scene, it’s funny tho because escape the fate are falling off. i like craig don’t get me wrong but they lost their main ingredient kicking out ronnie. but falling in reverse is just so much better with everything they do.
06:55 I think he's right... even in pop, the era of the "mega star" (as we knew it in the 80s and 90s) is over. Even as big as BTS is, or Lady Gaga...still nowhere near Prince/Madonna/MJ levels of fame...or even Metallica.
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Get that bread, Finn. Love the content.
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@@ShoelessJP no.
No please flatline
Seems like the summoning could be a classic. Maybe
I feel like Beartooth is riiiiight there. Like one breakout song away. But I also think Caleb can absolutely write a massive pop hit, but hes also a hardcore kid at heart who wants to stay true.
When I was hearing about them it was the time right before tik tok. Thinking they might have just missed the dot with that one 2016/17 or so release they had
Finn: As long as rock insists on limiting itself to guitars, bass, drums and vocals, rock has nothing new to offer
Also Finn: A trumpet? Get that nerd shit out of my face
Exactly
In fairness, the trumpet is grating as fuck
@@SpaghettiWithMeatSauce we need more violin piano orchestral type stuff like bmth live at Royal Albert Hall, I'm not a vampire revamped, and some of the stuff issues has done its beautiful when done well and creates a great contrast.
@@dobber43 chiodos, as awful as Craig Owen's vocals are, have been doing that since practically day one, one of their best albums is the one without Craig, Illumanaudio, but if you hate post hard-core and mathy shit in general, hopefully you can at least appreciate how long they've been incorporating violin, and the keys actually come from a member in the band, they're real, and that's dope.
@@shunsuikyoraku5428 uhhhh craigs vocals are beautiful...
I do think people sleep so much on the modern rock and metal scene and say blanket statements like "there's nothing interesting or original" but then you can show them a bunch of bands doing interesting unique shit and they'll be like "okay but they're an exception" when half the scene is doing different unique shit or evolving sounds in better ways. people just ignore it because its not shoved in their face and huge like stuff from the 2000s and before was
Royal Blood are definitely a band that have songs which are worthy enough to become classics in the near future. Songs like Figure It Out, Little Monster, Loose Change, Out Of The Black, How Did We Get So Dark, Lights Out etc are all great songs that will stand the test of time.
Use to love royal blood, hated their new album tho. I get you gotta change the sound but they changed it to a direction that I just don’t find interesting or good
@@doomztay Typhoons has grown on me but they’re going in a good direction with singles such as King, Space and Honeybrains
The first album was ridiculously good! Start to finish. And they've had other good songs sprinkled throughout. I agree with you.
@@gmod8033 I have their Debut on Vinyl and I agree there’s no filler at all, not to mention that they’re a great live band as well
I feel like Royal Blood, Nothing But Thieves, Nothing More, Boston Manor, Avoid all have the potential to get bigger in the more rock-side of things but they all need that wow factor to push them into "future classics" territory.
This said, Royal Blood might have missed their chance as the whole Typhoons switch wasnt really taken very well by their fanbase but didnt seem to expand it either.
Polyphia sounds like waiting room music at an upscale day spa.
LOL 😂
exactly and i love it
Love it
I'm a massage therapist at a high end day spa.
And you are absolutely right.
I can't stand them no matter how technical they are
I’m surprised that Bad Omens was not mentioned. They’ve been steadily growing since Dethrone, but they also had a good break out Moment with their newest Album. I believe that they could become one of biggest bands of the new generation. I’m also kind of surprised that nobody said Can You Feel My Heart by bmth.
The memes might give it that little push into classic status, and that'll be an important factor going forward
@@iamwontolla yes, but just in general that Bad Omens or bmth weren’t mentioned that much is kinda surprising considering that they carried the scene for a while in recent times.
@@phantomwarrior0313 agreed, im surprised architects wasnt brought up either, they are literally the band that metalcore has been ripping off for years due to how influential they are to the scene
@Operation: Heavener Northlane literally named themselves after an architects song 🤣
@Operation: Heavener no not really, sure they’re a good band and somewhat influential, but nowhere near as much as architects
I think the point about mainstream monoculture going away is super accurate. What's mainstream today feels less like what the majority likes and more like a plurality of what niche gets the most attention. What will be considered "classics" will likely going forward be the songs within various niches that attracted the most new faces into the group. For instance in metal right now that will likely be songs like to the hellfire and demolisher. What I think is key in making a classic within a niche is to have a solid foundation punctuated by one moment in the song that everyone is going to point to to react and clip and share. A real wow factor that people in and out of the niche can recognize as something special and impressive. Alex doing the insanely loud and inhumanly low Demolisher chant and the peak of the song, and Will's nasty animalistic screams capping off to the hellfire. These songs were defined by these brief widely shared moments, without overshadowing how well written the rest of the song is, allowing them to have staying power rather than just being remembered for that one cool part exclusively. I think what made poppy a flash in the pan in comparison is the way her songs were rooted in mainstream exploring the metal niche rather than being rooted in the niche itself. She made some cool songs that even my friends who didn't like metal at all were into, and it was a good median of what each of us liked, but since it wasn't strongly defined within the metal niche, metal heads were inevitably going to see it as a neat gimmick for a pop song and eventually forget, and then when the rapidly changing pop mainstream rotated it out of the cultural collective, it had nowhere to call home and was just sadly forgotten.
ALLLLL of that for one like. Ain't nobody reading your dissertation, dawg.
24:30 Something about Sleep Token just grabbed me from the beginning. And every single song they've put out (save for "Chokehold") just had my attention the first 10 seconds. I can see the Dillinger comparison, though I hope they make it farther than that. If you've heard Vessel's cover of "Hey Yaaa" by Outkast, they could EASILY write some radio classics. But they'd have to choose that, and I don't think that's what ST is about.
I think they could inadvertently become super successful and have a song that propels them to that level by accident. The Weeknd kinda proved that the mainstream pop audiences are more accepting of bizarre presentation and I think Sleep Token fits that mold perfectly.
Sleep Token is what I wanted Ghost to be. Keep surpassing my expectations.
I'm working on metal Orville Peck that's somehow not Gideon
...In what sense?
Mastodon,BTBAM, Whitechapel and Periphery are solid bands to be classics, hands down
Mastodon's old asses are already vintage tho lmao
BTBAM is my fav band all time but realistically they'll only be considered classic to fans of prog metal. Even some metalcore/deathcore fans think they're too "weird" to fully get into. I'd love to see them have that status, but I see them more in the way he talked about Sleep Token, big for a "cult" band.
Mastodon yes. Periphery maybe.
I love Mastodon, BTBAM, and Periphery. Honestly I think that they have their niche cult fan bases, but will always be those bands that won’t ever be at the front of rock and metal. They’re all too innovative to have that sustained mainstream success. Mastodon specifically is constantly changing their sound, and more appeals to the prog crowd rather than mainstream metal. Majority of metal fans don’t like change.
11:34 honestly i disagree, not even because i dislike MGK. i just see him being in the position that we look at bands like Hoobastank and Saliva now.
4:59 ... or as *I like to call them* : _Lorna Snore_
The Death of Peace of Mind will be a certified classic within 10 years, especially if they continue their upward trajectory. Bad Omens bridged the gap with Noah's vocals to reach fans of multiple genres of music.
That whole album is filled with bangers
I'm Canadian so I grew up on Much Music LOUD lol. 30mins a day was all they could do for heavy metal hahaha
I think people are missing the train coming in for the Asian bands, which are bringing fresh energy into something that was once culturally western specific.
However, if we're going to see this as a new genre instead of a cluster of genres, it will need a "big four" as rock and metal genres have done before. Currently, there is Babymetal (the creators), the Hu (the more rock side) and Bloodywood (the more metal side) in this "Asian metal" genre (if that is what we're considering). If another comes along, to fill out the fourth spot, I feel people are going to start paying attention to this snowball gaining speed, and adding to it rapidly, like what happened to nu metal in the 90's, which was also weird, quirky and fresh to us.
You can definitely have 2nd waves, 3rd waves, etc. such as pop punk, but I feel the only thing that would reignite the interest, culture and publicity of rock & metal is a brand new genre. Trap metal could have done that if they weren't so niche in their sound (not saying they're bad, but they will only ever get a limited audience, like sad boi rap).
13:35 I used to love $uicideboy$ like several years ago (before they got overly popular and their music got lame) but this is sincerely just a pretty dumb statement... so you call this southern hip hop group a genre that they _clearly aren't_ and then when they tell you otherwise you insist "that's rock fans problem rock fans are close minded".
so i guess if you say Cephalotripsy are "the new jazz" in your next video and when jazz fans say they aren't you're gonna say "jazz fans don't want anything new or different". like i usually don't pull quotes and scrutinize them like this but... it's just such a bizarre thing to say
Lorna shore in an interview with charismatic voice said that sleep token is his favorite band. I would agree. Sleep token has way more range and diversity of sound than most bands I hear. Their look inhibits them with mainstream audiences but they keep on surprising people like myself
Bad Omens - Just Pretend
Bring Me The Horizon - Kingslayer
Sleep Token - The Summoning
Loathe - Two-Way Mirror
Electric Callboy - Hypa Hypa
Architects - Doomsday
Spiritbox - Circle With Me
Just a few off the top of my head from the last 5ish years
I would maybe say that We Got The Moves by EC will outshine Hypa Hypa
I always feel like fin doesn't talk about Loathe because he doesn't like Deftones but yeah they're making waves for sure
@@Reinonen you’re probably right. I’m from Australia and Hypa Hypa BLEW UP but We Got the Moves is more ubiquitous
You might as well just mention every BMTH song
18:02 Ghost's harmonies and guitar riffs remind me a LOT of Alice in Chains.
Neither of which are metal.
@@dougk359 Alice in Chains has FAR more in common with metal than Ghost does.
@@Djfmdotcom Totally agree, some of AIC's work is borderline sludge metal. But their entire catalog is brilliant however we want to categorize it, much like Tool.
@@dougk359 Absolutely! Sludge metal influences. NEVER considered them grunge even though the media portrayed it that way at the time. What do you think of AIC's newer stuff with the new vocalist?
@@Djfmdotcom I've seen them a couple of times with the new vocalist, and while he's not Layne (nobody is) he's really good and it's great that Jerry and their music has a chance to live on and touch the lives of a younger generation. Kind of the same with Stone Temple Pilots, it's great to be able to see them live even though they sound a 'little' different these days.
to the guy in chat that says protest the hero
i regret to inform you that protest has been around for 20 years
Pfft better than the morons here suggesting bands like Municipal Waste tho lmao
Sanguisugabogg will still be listened to by me 10 years from now
I'm very surprised when it comes to Rock nobody ever mentions the Texas Hippy Coalition, they been around for years and are the most rock a band could possibly be before becoming metal.
In my opinion...
While I agree that Glow On is a top contender for a modern day classic, I think the song Gravity is what really made Turnstile crossover into the mainstream.
The thing about Sleep Token. I remember Finn always talking about one of the main indicators of a successful band is having a large female audience. Let me tell you then - ladies LOOOVE Sleep Token
Cue the “I Was Wrong About Sleep Token” video when they get big.
Been a fan since Sundowning. I'm just happy they're getting noticed. They're refreshing and different to a relatively stale scene right now.
@@robertkleinschmidt1029 agreed. Honestly they are probably the first metal or rock band I’d recommend to someone looking for something new.
Ladies also love Will doing the Sleep Token covers!
Hope there's some new rock / metal that goes beyond and doesn't limit to guitar, bass and drums, there's 10x the world out there besides those instruments just within the confines of rock, let alone with any genre of music
I'm gonna disagree with Finn regarding the song writing being weak rn. I think generally if you look at any genre's big artists good song writing is hard to come by. Knocked Loose, Khubali Khan TX, Bad Omens, Counterparts, Sunami, Zulu are all great song writers and that's literally just off the top of my head. I think if you look at top 100 charts you're bound to find out boring red state rock bands with boring lyrics
Nobody else on UA-cam has the algorithm in a chokehold like you do. I am obsessed with your videos because I love rock and metal, but I could easily see your videos being incredibly popular with all kinds of people. You just have that sort of charisma and you embody something about UA-cam that we all want. Somehow you're relevant and yet you still seem very nostalgic. I would recommend your channel to anybody!
Thank you!
(Sorry for my bad English) MGK was my gateway to the world of rock/metal, the album tickets to my downfall came out at the end of high school and my friends and I only listened to Pop music and EDM, but when a girlfriend a friend of ours showed us Bloody Valentine, our jaws dropped, we loved that song and, consequently, we loved the album and when he released his second album, I ended up discovering Bring me the Horizon and Sleeping with Siren and I was sinking into the scene of metalcore and pop punk. (Obs: I have 19 yers old)
That’s dope
omg it's similar for me. I was a 5 Seconds of Summer fan, then Green Day and then those typical warped tour bands like sws. (I even saw them live recently, it was absolutely insane)
Completely disagree with your take on sleep token. I personally feel like they have arguably the best shot at mainstream success right now. I think the soul/R&B side of their style could be the key. Think about an artist like The Weeknd or Sam Smith who are not too far off from that side of sleep tokens sound. Both of those artists have had a bit of an “edgier” presentation with their latest releases which tells me that their audience could be accepting of a band with an image like Sleep Token. If sleep token manages to have a song that makes waves with that particular audience, I think they have a solid shot at massive mainstream success.
Problem is they don’t have the songs, and it doesn’t seem like they have any interest in writing stuff as accessible as sam smith or the weeknd. I wish they would, though!
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA I mean Trent Reznor didn’t think Closer would be a hit, but there’s no denying how huge that song was at the time. You could probably say the same thing about when MCR and Linkin Park took off. Their music came from a genuine place and came out at the right time. I think Sleep Token has probably the best shot at accidentally getting mainstream success in a similar fashion.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA and tbh I would consider sleep token arguably to be the most accessible band the metal scene has seen in almost a decade
@@afroheadwes horseshit. Sleep Token makes incredibly weird music with super cringe "lore" behind it. It's slow and boring, and it never really builds into anything. Every song I've heard by them has made me feel like it wasn't really complete somehow. They're just too boring to really catch on and they're trying way too hard to be taken "seriously."
@@afroheadwes yea but sleep token doesn’t have that, I guess special feeling that LP and MCR has with their music, cuz imo both of these bands music is timeless, but I don’t think that will be the case for sleep token
"Here's the thing".
Get's me everytime.
Author & Punisher, both based on the novelty of a literal one man band playing single person performances with a death-synth mechasuit, and based on the sound & songwriting itself, I believe will be a future classic. At least one song. If I had to pick one, it would be Drone Carrying Dread, but it really could be any of them.
Yeah, and also Lingua Ignota, Cult Of Luna and The Body... Although I personally don't think that Finn is going to care about them anytime soon
@All Colors Are Entombed In Black well he does hate metal with ambience lol 😆 breaks my heart every time
A lot of the scene in my area has gone from live bands to people making ambient, noise, and experimental heavier sounds using vinyl records, samplers, and foot peddles. It became a thing during the pandemic when bands couldn't jam around town. I've seen a lot of artists putting out music that's more of an aphex twin approach to sound and composition.
I have no clue what songs will have staying power in the popular culture but my own personal list of songs that if I put them on in 10 years I’ll probably still love are:
Magnolia Park - 2009
If I Die First and SeeYouSpaceCowboy - bloodstainedeyes
Sueco - Loser
Darko US - Pale Tongue
I wouldn’t say these are current favorite songs or even the songs I listen most but they all give me that vibe of these are gonna be the songs that come up on random and I’ll be transported back to 2018-2023 and be super into them.
18:04 Doing the opposite of reddit is how I have lived my life since I first became aware of reddit like 13 years ago or whatever. They truly are the cesspit of humanity over there.
12:32 Whatever Sleep Token is doing hasn’t been done in Rock before
Being bland?
What's going to happen is, some kpop management company is going to assemble a metal krock/pop hybrid group, 100 million teen girls will fall rabidly in love with them, and they'll be huge.
babymetal
@@tamamakiiti587 That's j-rock tho not k-rock/kpop, widely different fanbases
@@lunazen8661 a management company still assembled a hybrid group that 100 million teen girls (and full grown white men lol) fell rabidly in love with, and they are huge
@@tamamakiiti587 True, I just think that the kpop fanbase has a more intense impact into bringing something to the mainstream...they do NOT play when it comes to their faves, probably the strongest fanbase in the world. If one of the top kpop companies promotes a krock group, it probably will go back to the mainstream (considering gen z dictates pop culture now).
@@tamamakiiti587 Yep, except kind of Babymetal filtered through BTS.
Holy Roller by Spiritbox feels like a modern classic, such a catchy ass song that’s still pretty heavy.
I definitely see Lorna Shore, Bad Omens, Sleep Token, Turnstile and Falling In Reverse will all be looked back upon as classics. But I doubt the current music landscape in rock and metal will have bands reach the level of a Slipknot or MCR. It’s definitely more so people finding niche pockets of the scene they like.
i don’t think new FIR will age well lol. both dying is your latest fashion and the drug in me is you will go down as classics tho
Idk, I think Poppy is gonna inspire people. But not alone, all these other female/queer pop and rap artists going metal or metal artists taking pop influences are going to inspire a lot of people. In This Moment and Babymetal as older examples, Poppy, Rina Sawayama, Grimes, Ashnikko, Scene Queen, Delilah Bon, etc. as newer examples.
I believe Drug Church has some pop sensibilities in their songs. Million miles of fun is catchy as hell
On your main channel. You should do a video on channels like equal vision and Deathwish.
Cause I know you aren’t a huge fan of some of the bands. But 00s Equal vision records was really awesome. It almost had its own sound. Even with bands like Cirxa or Chiodos - they sounded different than band like A Day To Remember as far as production and style
And then Death Wish in the 2010s was just killing it. And I mean Kurt ballou was killing it already- and Jane Doe was on Equal vision and produced by Kurt.
And I’m sure there are other labels you could mention in that video. But just the way that different labels had their own sound in the early thousands.
Not to mention Equal VISON was started by the Yourh Of Today guy. I just think it’s cool how the old school hardcore - then started producing post hardcore and stuff on equal video. And the fact that Kurt was involved with lots of those recordings. And then Jacob’s Dearh Wish also had a ton of Kurt Ballou production.
For me personally those were my favorite years in music.
You the man Finn. Thanks for the years of content.
Thank you for watching!
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA lmfao epic "no thanks"
Honestly, I think alternative music in general has one of the brightest futures ever, as "mainstream pop culture" kinda starts to shift and fade in the eyes of everyone.
There is an incredible number of young people from all over the world who get inspired by all sorts of alternative music wether it is rock, metal, rap, alt pop or electronic music
and all of these scenes and their new members can now be easily connected through the internet.
Gatekeeping has also kinda gone back so the probality that we see might see like a classic hit song in 5 years that is a combination of pop, riddim, trap and djent by some brazilian/vietnamese duo that met on a random ass discord server is not 0 xd
In all seriousness I think the metal and rock scene is not lacking in the songwriting department I think it's lacking in overall creativity.
If you have like a thousand different bands that would all upload the weirdest most nonsensical shit that was only ever meant for the musician that wrote it you'd probably be closer to finding a new classic than you'd be digging in a thousand different tracks that were all made to impress someone else and gain respect within a scene.
That's also why bands such as Portal, Chaos Echoes, Deathspell Omega, Cult Of Fire, Teitanblood, War From A Harlot's Mouth, Cephalic Carnage, Bell Witch, Mournful Congregation, Revenge and Defeated Sanity will easily stand the test of time despite being underground acts.
Also when popular monster came out that felt new to me. 13:12
Turnstile sounds like, Snapcase and Ignite had a baby together.
The problem is most are only talking about what is trendy. A band like Holy Fawn is incredible. Not basic song structure and don’t sound like anyone else. Chat Pile is great and unique. Chelsea Wolfe is another that brings a lot of different sounds. Youth Code have really brought back the industrial sound but fused with hardcore instead of metal. In my opinion if we are talking a more rock sound it has to be something pushing boundaries and not hoping on a trend. Bands like Botch and DEP are classic bands now and they didn’t go over well when they came out.
😂😂😂😂😂 another classic "here's the thing!"
Happy Easter Finn!
“The type of people that would listen to Mastadon would like Ghost”
Nailed it! I’m literally that guy. I loved mastodon the moment I discovered them back in 2006 when I was looking for new music to put on my MySpace page lmao
The song was “The Wolf is Lose” btw
Same when I heard Square Hammer for the first time. Love it right when I head it
Not metal, but The Starting Line’s Direction album is full of classics to me. I listen to this album every couple of months.
i have absolutely thought the same way about lorna shore after the release of to the hellfire, and it'll probably be one of my "teenage years favorite" 10-15 years later.
Where is the “here’s the thing” clip from?
Dude Polyphia has been pumping out bangers for over a decade
AAL are better
thanks for using my tweet homie :)
I disagree. Metal has branched out and has all sorts of influence from other genres, not to mention metal bands from other cultures. Metal is more diverse than ever, and Metal fans are more open minded than ever. I disagree that Metal doesn't branch out.
Ghost are catchy song-writing gods. Their song Majesty is what caught my interest. I do miss their "heavier" side, but their stuff across the board is easy, entertaining, and fun to listen to. Plus, out of the countless metal and core shows that I've been to, Ghost remains one of my favorite live experiences overall when I saw them back in 2016.
23:07 games we play is a new band. They sound a tad generic but they right cool songs that are super catchy
Drain and Scowl coming in hot for the torch next to Turnstile
Knocked Loose will be talked about for years as well
Anything with super intricate, noisy, effect-laden soundscapes like that Daughters album, the Swans trilogy albums or Gilla Band I think is a very important direction for rock and metal music. Idles I'd say is a very accessible iteration of these kinds of bands and it's super cool seeing them gain the relatively successful status they have.
I think neo-psychedelia has a lot of potential too for reshaping heavier music except the only people that listen to it are, of course, goddamn hippies. Metalheads and scene people, I demand, need to infiltrate the Impala-verse
I'm still mind blown that Lorna Shore became so huge, totally deserve it and they're incredible but if you were to tell me music like that would have 14M views on youtube in months I would have thought you were joking
Surprised me too. They are immensely talented, but the vocals ruin it for me. I have a lot of respect for them, but not my cup of tea.
01:23 oh wow ppl are still chasing that GameStop windfall? lol
I think G.O.A.T would go down as a classic over Playing God for Polyphia. It has garnered millions of views alone in reactions. I also feel that what defines a "classic" going forward will be what people end up reacting to the most for a while. The internet really is in a place of music being spread to different demographics and what really sticks is what can fit those molds. Also something like Pisces by Jinjer as that is one of if not THE biggest reaction video so far.
jinjer will stand the test of time... all 4 musicians are unique to the genre
Ok but what does corey Taylor think about this
I think you mean Corey MF Taylor right?
No one cares
@@TheFriskyComiskey Yes
@@ibrahimsheikh6143 🤣
LOL !
You’re absolutely killing it man. Keep it up.
I didn't know Lorna Shore was still around. They're classic for sure as I remember them from the Traitors/Last 10 Seconds era too
Alright folks. Time to make it happen. Get a horn section into a thrash or hardcore band. Finn has said Ska is close to his heart, but the masses could only really deal with Reel Big Fish.... horns in metal, and we'll have a hit, and it will solve the 4 piece band constraint that is holding rock back from proper innovation.
I kinda see metal becoming more like orchestra and theatre in a way. Not to say that alt-rock artists aren't working with orchestras too (Biffy Clyro has been innovative with it), but metal artists are definitely doing it the most (BMTH, While She Sleeps). Metallica was the earliest to do it that I can remember, with S&M in the late 90's.
Edit: ranted a bit and shortened it, lmao
Ahh...s&m is such a great record. Full disclosure, I was definitely being a bit facetious, but absolutely love the response. Just to throw a name out, can not wait to see how Avenged Sevenfolds new album shakes out, given that they've recorded with a proper orchestra for this one
@@thatguy1706 Ohh, nice! Didn't know that, but I'm hyped now for sure! Lmao, yeah I stay pretty horny for a horn section tbh
Here you go :
ua-cam.com/video/aMcpF8uLpD4/v-deo.html
what about palaye royale and bad omens and manikin each one of them are doing very well and could all go down as classics
Palaye Royale and Bad Omens are so good wtf
@@bertafjertafisalukta2302 righttttt we need to make fan talk about palaye royale lol
Machine Gun Kelly in the thumbnail. Thanks the laugh before I've even watched it, Finn
Going into this and felt like commenting before watching. I must say, from this lower vantage point, it just looks like a list of everything that is currently trending, maybe barring Ghost who are merely in the top segment of the food chain since some time. I'm looking forward to be proven wrong! Edit: turns out that the title was merely a bit misleading since the video was, rather, an evaluation of staying power for a number of currently trending rock bands. Quite an apt one too, I'd say.
Turnstile rocks here from Baltimore so I hope they're repping our city very well for y'all.
I love you FInn, but I think you need to include the various genres of electronic music in your critique about artists creating innovative music.
Some of the best producers are electronic music producers that produce beyond the scope of 808s and closed high hat trap beats that dominate popular rap and pop these days.
There is so much innovation coming from so many producers in the bass music, IDM, EDM, dubstep, house, techno, hybrid tap, and various other electronic music genres.
Look at most of the biggest festivals these days.
A good percentage of festivals are mostly filled with DJs and producers DJing a multitude of genres in one set.
Think about the famous EDC or Ultra music festival.
Would love to help you explore a variety of electronic artists for your channel to include in the discussion.
I’m not an expert by any means but I’ve been a casual listener since the 90s- I stand by my statement that rap and pop are the biggest innovators these days. But electronic music was definitely the source of a lot of innovation in the past, as you said!
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA I recommend checking out the UA-cam channel “DEF.”
Amazing performances by contemporary bass/electronic music producers and djs in a warehouse/skatepark setting.
They play or rinse out a lot of genres in the electronic music scene, and play a lot of hip hop/rap as well.
Exploring that channel can further prove my point that bass/electronic music producers and djs are definitely more innovative in that they progress and push the boundaries of production, including that of hip hop/rap production.
A lot of the artists are huge in the festival and pseudo underground scene, but dont get that much recognition on radio or “mainstream” outlets or by the grammys.
Also, check out the artist Wreckno.
He was just on the cover of DJMag and Forbes just wrote an article about him.
Amazing rapper and bass music producer and representation of the LGBTQ community.
@DEFTV is the channel
You're damn right I'm going to disagree with that MGK pick. First of all you're going to tell me he's got the best pop punk songs to come out in a while? You're telling me he's better than knuckle puck, the story so far, neck deep, and others? You've got to be kidding. And here's the thing I used to like MGK. I liked his rap music, I thought he had heart. Idk what happened to him, whether it's Megan Fox or what, but he got weird and full of himself. He takes himself too serious for someone who isn't that good at singing or playing guitar. Did you see his aerials cover? Bad. Just bad. And I don't recall blink being hated, maybe I was too young. Maybe it's the type of people who think all new music is bad, which is not the case for me, although I'm still in my 20s. But blink never took themselves too seriously. Their songs were fun chill songs, with a few serious ones. Oh yeah, and you can't just start beef with Corey Taylor when you're trying to break into the scene. It's not a good look. It left a bad taste in people's mouths.
I seem to disagree with you a lot, idk why I keep watching your videos. But anyway I can't believe you'd say there hasn't been anything new. Just sleep token for one. Spiritbox? There's new sounds out there, I don't think the rock metal scene has done everything already. Pop music has been doing the same crappy stuff for 20 years now, and you call that new and interesting?
I know A7X has been around for quite a while, but I feel like they are constantly forging new paths is music that will be looked upon as iconic classics, despite less radio playtime.
Escape the fate was pre paramore
If you don't think Ghost is heavy enough, you haven't been to one of their live shows. Plus they've been pretty influential in the retro metal genre as seen in bands that incorporate a specifically '70s pop sound: Lucifer, Hallas, Church of the Cosmic Skull, and I'll throw in Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats as well. I went to the Hell's Heroes fest in Houston recently which featured a mostly "traditional heavy metal" lineup and I saw a ton of Ghost patches, so they still have a lot of credibility in that scene. Honestly most of the hate they get just comes with the territory of being the most popular metal band in the world and attracting a large "normie" audience, not dissimilar from metal snobs sneering at nu-metal, metalcore, and emo 20 years ago.
bro Ghost is a Swedish pop band with metal aesthetics. They've said as much themselves. Ghost isn't metal. Keep blasting that copium tho.
@Varg and so were Deep Purple and Scorpions. Metallica's black album was a pop album (number 1 on the Billboard album charts). Pop is a descriptor of appeal, not sound, and it isn't mutually exclusive to any genre. Ghost plays heavy riffs, sings dark gothic lyrics, and has a big gothic aesthetic, pretty clear cut heavy metal band to me. The Abba influence doesn't subtract from that at all
Honestly didn’t think I’d ever see a Ghost fan in the wild Thought they were just a myth…
@@robertbreedlovecraft I've tried to get into ghost. Some songs aren't bad..just missing something for me.
Machine "I'm not waiting till she's 18, I'll go now" Kelly does not deserve Megan Fox and def doesn't have the staying power to be a classic after being mostly known for losing a diss battle with Eminem....so he's a classic public defeat in that respect. As he deserves. MGK historically looks awful to anyone that's a not white boy, I can't imagine the future generally wanting to remember him.
The anime fandom is pretty open to rock and metal through insert songs. Series like Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen have gotten plenty of mainstream recognition. I don't know if you could consider them classics in the same way as you are describing, but with how popular anime is now, I feel like a lot of new rock and metal will be influenced by Japanese music.
Anime sucks ass
The Polyphia song you picked, I don’t know them at all, isn’t new. It’s classical music. It may be being presented in a new way, but that’s as old as it gets
i've been listening to a lot of Spiritbox and Conquer Divide since last year, and this year Sleep Token (i know , late)
i would also recommend The Warning , a cool more classic rock sounding female band .
I kept seeing imagery for this Ghost band, the evil looking pope etc without ever listening to their music. I expected it to be death metally, Rammstein'ish etc........then I heard it, uhm ok lol 😂
05:22 going to see LS open for Gojira and Mastodon in Asheville NC suuuuuper hype for that show
I JUST moved out of Asheville and I was REALLY upset to see that LS is playing there soon because I would've been there SO FAST
@@AlienKissy It'll be my first time seeing them live! I love Asheville. If we could afford to live there, my wife and I would buy a house and start an animal rescue.
@@Djfmdotcom Yeah I had to move because the cost of rent went so high it was impossible to stay and that was after living there for many many years. It still is one of my favorite places. I worked with animals there lol Even the surrounding areas are beautiful but there is something special in my heart about Asheville itself. Say hey for me!! Have a blast!!!!!
Polyphia won't go down as a classic in the terms of FOB, etc because it doesn't have lyrics and instrumentals don't tend to be "classics" in pop culture like songs with words are. Agree that they're revolutionizing guitar, but unless they add a vocalist they're gonna stay where they are.
I can say I am pretty invested in the current wider scene, probably a bit too much, and still agree with most of the arguments here, it's not just an age or interest thing. Still, there are interesting things happening, but they cant build up momentum because of the whole "death of the mono culture" thing.
It might be worth adding Bad Omens here BUT there are not there yet and need to really push the TFOPOM material further to maybe get there. Same with Spiritbox, as long as they continue in the Rotoscope direction. As much as I love them, I think Electric Callboy have reached their peak and cant really surprise us with anything, especially with the reaction scene arguably in something of a decline.
Pretty much along what has already been said but as far as "stars" go nowadays, Ronnie, Courtney, Will Ramos are probably as close to what we consider a celebrity as you can get these days, maybe with the addition of Noah Sebastian and few others but thats about it.
Looking forward to checking who was right and wrong around 2030-2040...
I Don't Mind by Giovanni and the Hired Guns needs more love. This band needs more.
Ramon Ayala is really good too. Randomly popped up on my phone one day.
Architects,municipal waste,bury tomorrow a few other bands not doing anything new but I think they will be remembered.
Municipal Waste has been around for over 40 years bro
@@BasedHyperborean They been around 23 years bro, close but not quite
40 years I don't think so
What will it take for Finn to talk about Bad Omens
I'm sorry but saying that in the future kids will say Lorna shore is so important is like bands today saying Dr. Acula was so important they now make music the way they do. It was a heavy music that came and went.
My pick would be Monsters by All Time Low. It destroyed my brain when I heard a clean, softer cover of it playing in a Wal-Mart.
Where is the 'Here is the thing!' quote from?
HERE'S THE THING!!!😂😂😂
Finn, not to argue, simply to get your opinion bc I've never heard you really talk about it. Will you explain what exactly makes Lil Uzi Vert "rock"? Bc he's absolutely a rapper...
every time someone says 'here's the thing' in conversation, im like 'HERES THE THING', and they dont get it, so thanks for that
Ghost found the perfect balance where for metal listeners who have heard it all already its catchy and easy listening but also its soft enough that the complete normies and beginners to "harder rock sound" dont get turned off. Its no wonder they got so big.
I mean my friends who say they dont like metal have ghost on their playlists haha that tells it all.
I think they also have a campy theatricality that the genre has been lacking for the last 30-40 years.
Rivers of Nihl, needs be associated with this
Pierce The Veil - Collide With The Sky
i feel like falling in reverse is the biggest band in the scene, it’s funny tho because escape the fate are falling off. i like craig don’t get me wrong but they lost their main ingredient kicking out ronnie. but falling in reverse is just so much better with everything they do.
Polyphia's abc will be super big if it hasn't already
BTW I've always thought I was the type of metal nerd you hate, but apparently I fall under the "Mastodon fan" distinction. And I love Ghost.
You’re a beard metaller!
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA 70% beard metaller, 30% black metal incel
just checked out falling in reverse.. kinda gives me tom macdonald vibes
Probably the best description of the band I’ve ever seen.
@@afroheadwes hahahah
Thank you thank you, even a broken clock is right twice a day hahah
At this point I'd like to recommend the album "Future Classic" by orphantwin (Vocalist of Norma Jean)
06:55 I think he's right... even in pop, the era of the "mega star" (as we knew it in the 80s and 90s) is over. Even as big as BTS is, or Lady Gaga...still nowhere near Prince/Madonna/MJ levels of fame...or even Metallica.
Taylor Swift is on that level I would say.