I think this is currently one If the best low cost no compromise builds. You get windows 11 support, avx512, many cores, many treads, gen4 SSDs and a very low power consumption.
You can now get a version with a i9 that runs at a all core speed of 4.8ghz for $300. That's not a bad price for a tiny and powerful 3d or programming workstation.
I just bought one that has an i9-11980hk by the same seller. Fingers crossed that it is a legit 11980hk since they are unlocked. Keep up the good work on your channel BTW. Long time lurker with your x99 stuff and been watching your videos since.
I just bought what is suppose to be an 11900h ES, never owned any of these or ever tested an ES cpu, but I think in any case should be better than my 2640 v3 I have in my setup now.
I really appreciate this excellent review. I have been looking for a successor to my x99z v102 w/ e5-2640v3. It has served me well since the fall of 2020. This seems like an affordable upgrade. This board appears to be decent. I only wish turbo boost could be permanent but it wouldn't be too hard to launch the app before gaming. Thanks again! P.S: I wonder if iEngineer could somehow integrate the turbo boost into a custom bios. He seems to be talented with that sort of thing.
Nice review ! I have a strange irrational aversion to soldered CPUs for desktop computers though ! Like you say the price is very bad, for the same money I could get a cheap motherboard like the ASRock H610M-ITX/ac and an i3-12100. Still an interesting build and it's good to consider all options, maybe the manufacturer will cut the price in future.
Excelent review, very interesting results. I somewhat share your dissapointment. I was kinda expecting more from 11800H. It would have been interesting to compare the motherboard with other chinese CPUs. QTJ0 and the rest of the bunch. All in all, thanks for making these kind of weird builds, for some reason they are, as you said, the most fun to work with. Keep up the good work! Slava Ukraini!
@@Miyconst I currently have a Thermaltake P1 ITX and am getting sick of dealing with how dusty open air gets. I've been highly considering the NR200 but also don't want to need to buy a new SFF PSU for my main build.
I'm using one of these boards with the 11900ES and its totally unlocked, enabling the overclocking option in the bios allows XTU to work with the board within windows at least on my board anyway, I have it running wiht an old phobya UC-2 waterblock and a EK D5 pump and reservoir combo and a 60mm thick 360 radiator, without touching it it runs 4.7ghz on all cores and doesnt get above 66c under load.
@@Miyconst yup I noticed the VRM as well as the chipset gets a bit toasty under load... so am looking at a solution for that, I''ll put a thermistor under each heatsink and experiment with some ducting to see how low the temp drops, if that isnt good enough then i'll be modding a couple of old EK VRM waterblocks to fit..
Sounds like a great proposition, i would be happy with the BIOS unfortunately the sleep function and the I/O (not enough RAM, SATA slots) on the motherboard is not enough for me but maybe they will introduce soldered CPUs with normal sockets in the future or change the motherboard slightly then i could think to upgrade.
Hey, I got one of these a few months ago and I have some info to add. I will edit as watch the video It does not consume 65 watts, it's 45 watt sustained and during short boost, it draws up to 150 watts You can use higher than 3200 because the board supports xmp, it's how I was able to set my ram speed. 3200 is intels spec, but xmp was made by Intel to let you go above the normal speed to the spec of the ram you bought. You can overclock the cpu very easily by undervolting. Lower voltage means lower wattage, it will run at the highest clock speed it can for the target tdp, the lower the voltage, the higher the clocks. I have gotten the all core turbo to the max 4.6 ghz and all core sustained clock speed at about 3.85 ghz. I think to use your tdp settings you need to enable ctdp, and you shouldn't change the turbo tdp, the max is way higher than 65 and you need to match the turbo tdp to see the best performance. I only played a little bit with these settings, so I don't know if they work completely. Overclocking via undervolt does though. The motherboard does say it supports Sata m.2 via auto switching, though I've never gotten one to work. Not that big of a deal though. Your cinebench score looks to be about 12k, I'm getting about 15.5k on my setup, your slowed down by your thermals and your tdp settings are limiting the speed of your cpu. Even before my overclock I was getting around 14k. 4 memory slots only sometimes improve performance if you have a quad channel memory controller, this cpu only has 2 memory channels like every consumer cpu on the market so your getting the max possible performance. More sticks does not mean more bandwidth when you populated both channels. It seems like you are having some gpu issues, your utilization is low. The cpu is not the bottleneck, you could be dealing with some driver issues or windows issues at this point. You said 360 euro for your board, which is crazy. I got mine for 250 usd total (including shipping and taxes) and it arrived in just under a month. Seems like you picked a bad seller, I got mine from ebay new but it was the same seller that was selling these on Ali express. For the same amount of money you couldn't even get an i3 and a 12th gen motherboard. Plus, the 12100's cinebench r23 multi core score is HALF of what I'm getting with my i7-11800H. If it costs more, and I'm getting half the performance, I would rather get the cheaper Chinese solution. Once again, 250$, 50$ for the ram, that's 300$ for a functional system besides a power supply and stuff like an ssd. It's worked great for me, only issues I've been having are related to my AIO cooler and the fact someone filled it with horrible coolant that clogs the microfins.
Really thanks for that info, im from Chile, and reading this commentary, makes me a little bit more excited to buy it It is a really cheap and high clock machine, im standing above with my xeon e5 2678 v3, but i want more CPU single core performance and upgrade from my 5700xt to some RTX
I would ask if you let me, can you share the ram info that you buyed for the chinese solution? sorry for my bad english, im trying to figure out some things
@@simonzunigahidalgo9987 lo compraste? yo pedi uno y me salio 191$ con descuentos por 11.11 y un cupon de 24$, ahora estoy en la espera For the OP, what memory RAM you use? what model? Thank you
@@MrABUTRE1 you look around in memory settings and go to xmp profile and set it to profile 1, make sure you also set voltage to 1.35, if it's set to 1.2 you will get instability.
That doesn't look like maxsun-branded MB, which has 6 DRMOS Above cpu, It looks like cheaper variant commonly sold under HSGA brand Allways thanks for video, you're almost always only source of reviews on these interesting chinese stuff in language I speak
Saw this on Taobao, but at 1339 RMB, it's too overpriced for what it is. It might be more reasonable if the motherboard wasn't so barebones, or better, if the CPU was socketed like the LGA 1151 mutants. But I guess it couldn't be done since 11th gen mobile CPUs are 10 nm Tiger Lake instead of 14 nm Rocket Lake. There are 10th gen non-ES mutants out now, which use LGA 1200 (B460), but only a few specific motherboards can be modded at the moment. I don't see the point, though, since 10th gen has zero IPC improvement over 9th, still doesn't support PCI-E 4.0, and still tops out at 8C/16T on the laptop.
Thanks for the review! I was really looking forward to it. Im thinking of deploying this as a headless gaming server, does the motherboard feature wake on lan capabilities?
Hello. I am using 2x8GB 3600 sticks running @3466 stable with this kit. I am using ChangXin A-DIE chips. Here i have a problem with high temps, before i replace the original thermal paste with liquid metal I was having temperatures in the range of 90c+ when using any program, even opening google chrome, hitting thermal throtling in aida64 with just 3s o test.... Now, with liquid metal below and over the IHS, and with a 240mm water cooler I have maximum temperatures around 60c in stress. In the first version of this board this do not come whit heatsink on the VRM, so i have to order a custom made for me. Now is all fine.
Thank you for the extra info. Is your motherboard also with HM570 chipset? I am surprised because in my case nothing above DDR4-3200 booted. Regarding the liquid metal - be careful, it's electrically conductive and can shorten some components if not handled properly.
@@Miyconst Yes, it is the same project, but not with Maxsun label. I enable Overclocking Feature in bios, so i load XMP Profile 1(3600mhz) and the board set it to 3466mhz. It give me ~55MB/s on AIDA mem bench. I do not touch the timmings yet.
вписал в power limit 1 и 2 значения в тысячах, как и написано в подсказке (65000 и 90000) и все заработало, лимиты изменились на 65 и 90в соответственно. благодаря этому в синебенче р23 результат повысился на около 1800 попугаев. не знаю, может, на старых версиях этой доски было иначе.
Who manufactures/provides the BIOS? Maybe there will be an updated BIOS that fixes this? (I cannot live without the sleep function and hibernation is not an option either) Also, are there any other quirks with the motherboard @Miyconst? Can the socket bracket be changed? How hot do the VRMs get etc? Do all the ports DP, 2X HDMI etc work? Can this go 4.60 GHz all cores? Does it support Dual Channel memory?
I meant to ask about the BIOS. Does this bios have resizable bar? I am curious because I was wondering how an Intel GPU might perform in this unit. Without resizable bar it's a no go for Intel.
@@Miyconst I keep thinking about this little board. Can you tell if the IHS is soldered? I am interested in the board but that thermal solution just wouldn't work. I am thinking about how I can get that IHS off to use an modded AIO. The idea of 80c+ is too much for me. In the Southern U.S. it gets hot. Really hot.
It retails here in Australia for about $520 but I imported mine from China through JD for $395 + $50 postage. I have had to disable CPU boosting as my poor little CPU fan can't cope with the fan curve that covers 2.3Ghz doubling to 4.6GHz every time I scroll on UA-cam.
I found a board similar to this one which has an ES of the i9-11980HK (supposedly) embedded on it. If I were to buy it would it be a decent upgrade over my i5-9600k?
@@azert2265 the performance uplift is not that significant and you are going from a dead platform into a dead platform. Better pick the cheapest H610 motherboard and an i5-12400F.
amigo seria genial mantener contacto para ver si me animo a traer la placa, aunque los test me decepcionaron un poco pero el mercado esta demasiado fuerte aqui en venezuela bueno tu sabes como es
@@Jaroartx Desde hace una semana arme la pc con esta misma configuración y la verdad estoy muy contento, para el uso que le daré es más que suficiente... Los componentes se veían nuevos y de buena calidad, los vendedores atentos (salvando la diferencia horaria y de idioma), a la final salió más económica que armarla por partes o comprarla con las ofertas que hay en el país... Y si me me funcionó perfectamente el WiFi... Eso SIP, la BIOS tiene demasiadas opciones que la verdad no son muy intuitivas...
@@cloudalmasai hola, mañana me llega mi kit del chinito, como hiciste con los drivers, te los instala windows por defecto o le pediste al chinito que te los enviara?
ES - Engineering Sample. So, if you buy a ES CPU it will show like Intel 0000 in all software, it also has worse specs compared to the final product and sometimes these ES CPUs also have weird problems. I would suggest you to send links to both items in my Discord so I (or others) can help you better.
@@Miyconst thank you so much man for your quick response. Ok so I think I could go for the official Version and not for the ”0000 version”. I'm curious because in Italy the price of the official 11800h version is about 100€ less than the cost you paid. So for 250€ I think it's a good deal.
@@Miyconst Thank you so much for the reply. So in hibernate, does the power completely cut off? If the system is running off NVME I can't imagine waking from hibernate would take that long?
Buenas, Tengo esta placa, me va genial, pero tengo un problema, no puedo activar el wake on lan, cuando apago el pc la tarjeta de red se apaga y no parpadean las lucecitas, y ya no puedo activarlo remotamente. Necesito tu ayuda. Gracias de antemano.
Now this is some real contender to my current X99 system with E5-2650v3, finally I can make really powerfull system with slim case without worrying with the PSU selection, thermal concern, CPU heatsink combability, etc. But I think you forgot to mention about the IGPu on the motherboard, does it's work well with this bizarre motherboard or else? since if I pair it with RX 6600 series or lower, the iGPU will certainly help in video encode/decode and other basic task.
@@Miyconst ah I see, and does it worth it rather just buying 12400 based platform? Is similar proce tho, and I more type of workstation user rather than gaming, and yeah, I know it's silly but, does it support PCIe Bifurcation? 🤣
@@saviofonseca5210 It's a 45W TDP laptop CPU, the only problem is the DIY chinese IHS on the motherboard doesn't work well with some cooler, the seller recommend to use flat heatpipe contact surface cooler regardless it's aircooled or not
i am following your weird experience lol, this is maybe my next build, currently use Z370M + QTJ1 linux for my daily as software engineer and don't use my macbook pro M2 from company
Already installed mine, I get single beep no video on mother board or GPU, bios battery removed several times no luck came with NO manual, any advice? Pls help 🫤
Hm. I have some sodimm to full dimm ddr4 adapters, a 250w pico psu that can use laptop psus, im pretty sure they make laptop style desktop coolers, right?
@@Miyconst I got a 700watt PSU. I play at 1080p 60fps. im not gonna fully take advantage of the GPU LIKE ULTRA SETTING. Probly gonna run it most of the time at 70% usage.
Any LGA 115X/1200 cooler that doesn't use clip-in mounting mechanism should work. This CPU is slightly higher than the standard so coolers like Intel box can't clip in.
@@Miyconst it interesting board, Thank you for answer look nice for compact build not over budget nevermind watch the video got answer thx i guess better go with i7-11800h than ES I got question if use 2 x m.2 will sata still work ?
I've got the 11980hk Es version. I've been getting bootloop with installing windows 11. I tried installing windows 10 and updating to 11 which worked but after windows update it seems to happen again. Anybody else getting this problem and was able to work around it?
@@Miyconst yep. Just waiting on a response now, hopefully not too long given it's the chinese new year period. I noticed a customer wrote in feedback they did a w11 clone from another pc which I'm going to test out and I'll report back. Though that doesn't give me confidence that another windows 11 update won't break it again.
Update: I think I've worked out what has caused the bootloop. Everytime I turn on Hyper-V it sends me into a bootloop, I was able to force a reversal by going into safe mode with networking. I thought Windows 11 was the issue but looks like when I turned on Hyper-V in Windows 10 that is most likely the culprit rather than Windows 11 updates. Don't think I want to spend anymore time trying to work out how to solve the issue, I'll just have to live without Hyper-V on this machine
@@dl1673 yeah, those sellers are usually useless. I have had a similar behavior with a system that had malfunctioning TPM module. Windows 11 relies on TMP while Windows 10 doesn't use it, so it could be that your ES CPU has something wrong with the TMP module.
As far as I know the modded 3070M doesn't work with the standard drivers, you need a special China hacked version, that means no upgrades in the future.
@@Tyuiobr can you guarantee that this workaround won't be blocked by Nvidia in the future? No? Then we can't be sure that there will be any more driver updates for these M hacked GPUs.
The SSD drives I had all worked okay and were sold in PC builds, but I have got feedback from viewers who had exactly the same looking SSD with different internals. That's why I cancelled the series to don't mislead buyers.
Hi Greatings from brazil!!! i lost my board is the same like you have! i try flash with maxsun bios i lost some things, i decide to roll back a previous bios and my board are brick now! can you save your bios from this board with ch341a and send to me? mine is 25l1283f 3.3v
Might be worth watching the Brazilian guys with auto translated cc. Some of the info in this video is misinformation. I'm not calling you out saying you didn't try. I'm saying the info you are reporting isn't accurate. I've seen some folks have the intel box cooler in these and well as TDP is unlocked. It was incorrectly entered. This board comes with some seriously confusing bios but most functions that one requires is there.
There are multiple versions of the IHS, some (like mine) are too high, others are properly sized, that's why our info differs. Regarding the TDP, I can't say much without retesting. I have tried all possible options and it was totally ignored. Could be that I didn't try the right value, but also could be that my particular sample has such behavior.
i got this motherboard for 160$, and considering the cheapest most loser version of a lga 1700 motherboard and 12100f is 180$ where i live, i think i done good
Right, after correct settings (150000) CPU consumes up to 109W (reported by HWINFO, under FPU stress test of AIDA). VRM is weak here (heated to 90+ degrees on small radiators), extra direct cooling on VRM is necessary for such loads.
I think this is currently one If the best low cost no compromise builds. You get windows 11 support, avx512, many cores, many treads, gen4 SSDs and a very low power consumption.
I agree
Ahh what a dream build
Personally I think it's just a bit too expensive, but prices should come down hopefully
You can now get a version with a i9 that runs at a all core speed of 4.8ghz for $300. That's not a bad price for a tiny and powerful 3d or programming workstation.
For about the same price the I3 12100 performs better and it's not an engineering sample.
I just bought one that has an i9-11980hk by the same seller. Fingers crossed that it is a legit 11980hk since they are unlocked. Keep up the good work on your channel BTW. Long time lurker with your x99 stuff and been watching your videos since.
I think you also need a Z series chipset for overclocking, but it's still interesting to test.
@@Miyconst absolutely! I will report back and let you know if it can be overclocked through the bios or throttlestop
I just bought what is suppose to be an 11900h ES, never owned any of these or ever tested an ES cpu, but I think in any case should be better than my 2640 v3 I have in my setup now.
Can someone check if you can wake up the board via magic packet / wake on lan?
@@programa11338 it has arrived? How much did u paid it?
Awesome! Miyconst can't believe that we are so far in the future that we have desktop power in laptop parts.
I hope there will be LGA 1200 mutants, - laptop CPUs modded to be used with the standard LGA 1200 motherboards.
I really appreciate this excellent review. I have been looking for a successor to my x99z v102 w/ e5-2640v3. It has served me well since the fall of 2020. This seems like an affordable upgrade. This board appears to be decent. I only wish turbo boost could be permanent but it wouldn't be too hard to launch the app before gaming. Thanks again! P.S: I wonder if iEngineer could somehow integrate the turbo boost into a custom bios. He seems to be talented with that sort of thing.
It's very sad, but iEngineer has lost his laboratory and was forced to run after ruzzians invaded Ukraine.
@@Miyconst I'm sorry. I forgot about that. Of course. I saw that in a previous video.
Nice review ! I have a strange irrational aversion to soldered CPUs for desktop computers though ! Like you say the price is very bad, for the same money I could get a cheap motherboard like the ASRock H610M-ITX/ac and an i3-12100. Still an interesting build and it's good to consider all options, maybe the manufacturer will cut the price in future.
Excelent review, very interesting results. I somewhat share your dissapointment. I was kinda expecting more from 11800H. It would have been interesting to compare the motherboard with other chinese CPUs. QTJ0 and the rest of the bunch. All in all, thanks for making these kind of weird builds, for some reason they are, as you said, the most fun to work with. Keep up the good work! Slava Ukraini!
The very nice Cooler Master NR200 chassis also adds joy to the assembly.
@@Miyconst I currently have a Thermaltake P1 ITX and am getting sick of dealing with how dusty open air gets. I've been highly considering the NR200 but also don't want to need to buy a new SFF PSU for my main build.
thank you for the review. this gives me a better idea of how the laptop cpu compares at gaming
I'm a big ITX/SFF guy so this is definitely an interesting option
quite an oxymoron :D
@@gabrielecarbone8235 lol true, didn't even know it lol
I'm using one of these boards with the 11900ES and its totally unlocked, enabling the overclocking option in the bios allows XTU to work with the board within windows at least on my board anyway, I have it running wiht an old phobya UC-2 waterblock and a EK D5 pump and reservoir combo and a 60mm thick 360 radiator, without touching it it runs 4.7ghz on all cores and doesnt get above 66c under load.
Just make sure to properly cool down the VRM.
@@Miyconst yup I noticed the VRM as well as the chipset gets a bit toasty under load... so am looking at a solution for that, I''ll put a thermistor under each heatsink and experiment with some ducting to see how low the temp drops, if that isnt good enough then i'll be modding a couple of old EK VRM waterblocks to fit..
Sounds like a great proposition, i would be happy with the BIOS unfortunately the sleep function and the I/O (not enough RAM, SATA slots) on the motherboard is not enough for me but maybe they will introduce soldered CPUs with normal sockets in the future or change the motherboard slightly then i could think to upgrade.
It's hard to fit much more I/O on a motherboard of this size, but it's true, the premium mini motherboards are better packed.
still worth it. cause quicksync is working uhd graphic on adobe pp.
Hey, I got one of these a few months ago and I have some info to add. I will edit as watch the video
It does not consume 65 watts, it's 45 watt sustained and during short boost, it draws up to 150 watts
You can use higher than 3200 because the board supports xmp, it's how I was able to set my ram speed. 3200 is intels spec, but xmp was made by Intel to let you go above the normal speed to the spec of the ram you bought.
You can overclock the cpu very easily by undervolting. Lower voltage means lower wattage, it will run at the highest clock speed it can for the target tdp, the lower the voltage, the higher the clocks. I have gotten the all core turbo to the max 4.6 ghz and all core sustained clock speed at about 3.85 ghz.
I think to use your tdp settings you need to enable ctdp, and you shouldn't change the turbo tdp, the max is way higher than 65 and you need to match the turbo tdp to see the best performance. I only played a little bit with these settings, so I don't know if they work completely. Overclocking via undervolt does though.
The motherboard does say it supports Sata m.2 via auto switching, though I've never gotten one to work. Not that big of a deal though.
Your cinebench score looks to be about 12k, I'm getting about 15.5k on my setup, your slowed down by your thermals and your tdp settings are limiting the speed of your cpu. Even before my overclock I was getting around 14k.
4 memory slots only sometimes improve performance if you have a quad channel memory controller, this cpu only has 2 memory channels like every consumer cpu on the market so your getting the max possible performance.
More sticks does not mean more bandwidth when you populated both channels.
It seems like you are having some gpu issues, your utilization is low. The cpu is not the bottleneck, you could be dealing with some driver issues or windows issues at this point.
You said 360 euro for your board, which is crazy.
I got mine for 250 usd total (including shipping and taxes) and it arrived in just under a month. Seems like you picked a bad seller, I got mine from ebay new but it was the same seller that was selling these on Ali express. For the same amount of money you couldn't even get an i3 and a 12th gen motherboard.
Plus, the 12100's cinebench r23 multi core score is HALF of what I'm getting with my i7-11800H. If it costs more, and I'm getting half the performance, I would rather get the cheaper Chinese solution. Once again, 250$, 50$ for the ram, that's 300$ for a functional system besides a power supply and stuff like an ssd.
It's worked great for me, only issues I've been having are related to my AIO cooler and the fact someone filled it with horrible coolant that clogs the microfins.
Really thanks for that info, im from Chile, and reading this commentary, makes me a little bit more excited to buy it
It is a really cheap and high clock machine, im standing above with my xeon e5 2678 v3, but i want more CPU single core performance and upgrade from my 5700xt to some RTX
I would ask if you let me, can you share the ram info that you buyed for the chinese solution? sorry for my bad english, im trying to figure out some things
@@simonzunigahidalgo9987 lo compraste? yo pedi uno y me salio 191$ con descuentos por 11.11 y un cupon de 24$, ahora estoy en la espera
For the OP, what memory RAM you use? what model? Thank you
Hi, did you do something special to apply the xmp? Even tho I set it to 3200, it stays at 2133...
@@MrABUTRE1 you look around in memory settings and go to xmp profile and set it to profile 1, make sure you also set voltage to 1.35, if it's set to 1.2 you will get instability.
That doesn't look like maxsun-branded MB, which has 6 DRMOS Above cpu, It looks like cheaper variant commonly sold under HSGA brand
Allways thanks for video, you're almost always only source of reviews on these interesting chinese stuff in language I speak
Yes, it's not exactly the Maxsun board, but it's coming from the same factory.
Price to performance section would be very good. i get that there are different features, different potential upgrade level and so on, but still
Great review. Interesting kit but I would wait for intel 12th gen instead of this one.
For sure, Intel 12th gen is a great upgrade over the 10/11th gen.
Saw this on Taobao, but at 1339 RMB, it's too overpriced for what it is.
It might be more reasonable if the motherboard wasn't so barebones, or better, if the CPU was socketed like the LGA 1151 mutants. But I guess it couldn't be done since 11th gen mobile CPUs are 10 nm Tiger Lake instead of 14 nm Rocket Lake.
There are 10th gen non-ES mutants out now, which use LGA 1200 (B460), but only a few specific motherboards can be modded at the moment. I don't see the point, though, since 10th gen has zero IPC improvement over 9th, still doesn't support PCI-E 4.0, and still tops out at 8C/16T on the laptop.
If they figure out how to fix the compatibly with other motherboards and drop the prices, the LGA 1200 mutants might still be very interesting.
Can u give me the link to the LGA 1200 mutant. Just wanna give it a look.
Thanks for the review! I was really looking forward to it. Im thinking of deploying this as a headless gaming server, does the motherboard feature wake on lan capabilities?
Wake on lan is available in the BIOS, but I didn't test if it works properly.
Hello. I am using 2x8GB 3600 sticks running @3466 stable with this kit. I am using ChangXin A-DIE chips. Here i have a problem with high temps, before i replace the original thermal paste with liquid metal I was having temperatures in the range of 90c+ when using any program, even opening google chrome, hitting thermal throtling in aida64 with just 3s o test.... Now, with liquid metal below and over the IHS, and with a 240mm water cooler I have maximum temperatures around 60c in stress. In the first version of this board this do not come whit heatsink on the VRM, so i have to order a custom made for me. Now is all fine.
Thank you for the extra info. Is your motherboard also with HM570 chipset? I am surprised because in my case nothing above DDR4-3200 booted. Regarding the liquid metal - be careful, it's electrically conductive and can shorten some components if not handled properly.
@@Miyconst Yes, it is the same project, but not with Maxsun label. I enable Overclocking Feature in bios, so i load XMP Profile 1(3600mhz) and the board set it to 3466mhz. It give me ~55MB/s on AIDA mem bench. I do not touch the timmings yet.
вписал в power limit 1 и 2 значения в тысячах, как и написано в подсказке (65000 и 90000) и все заработало, лимиты изменились на 65 и 90в соответственно. благодаря этому в синебенче р23 результат повысился на около 1800 попугаев. не знаю, может, на старых версиях этой доски было иначе.
Who manufactures/provides the BIOS? Maybe there will be an updated BIOS that fixes this? (I cannot live without the sleep function and hibernation is not an option either)
Also, are there any other quirks with the motherboard @Miyconst? Can the socket bracket be changed? How hot do the VRMs get etc? Do all the ports DP, 2X HDMI etc work? Can this go 4.60 GHz all cores? Does it support Dual Channel memory?
I meant to ask about the BIOS. Does this bios have resizable bar? I am curious because I was wondering how an Intel GPU might perform in this unit. Without resizable bar it's a no go for Intel.
Yes, Resizable Bar is available.
@@Miyconst I keep thinking about this little board. Can you tell if the IHS is soldered? I am interested in the board but that thermal solution just wouldn't work. I am thinking about how I can get that IHS off to use an modded AIO. The idea of 80c+ is too much for me. In the Southern U.S. it gets hot. Really hot.
@@Austin_Hart Hi, the ihs is not soldered
Good review , thanks.
Get well soon buddy!!
Thanks, I am trying.
thank you very well explained great video
It retails here in Australia for about $520 but I imported mine from China through JD for $395 + $50 postage. I have had to disable CPU boosting as my poor little CPU fan can't cope with the fan curve that covers 2.3Ghz doubling to 4.6GHz every time I scroll on UA-cam.
I found a board similar to this one which has an ES of the i9-11980HK (supposedly) embedded on it. If I were to buy it would it be a decent upgrade over my i5-9600k?
I would not bother, honestly.
@@Miyconst How come?
@@azert2265 the performance uplift is not that significant and you are going from a dead platform into a dead platform. Better pick the cheapest H610 motherboard and an i5-12400F.
Hi!!! Greatings from Venezuela! I recently bought this motherboard, the M2 slot for WiFi is socket E? I want to use an Intel card, AX210...
amigo seria genial mantener contacto para ver si me animo a traer la placa, aunque los test me decepcionaron un poco pero el mercado esta demasiado fuerte aqui en venezuela bueno tu sabes como es
@@Jaroartx Desde hace una semana arme la pc con esta misma configuración y la verdad estoy muy contento, para el uso que le daré es más que suficiente... Los componentes se veían nuevos y de buena calidad, los vendedores atentos (salvando la diferencia horaria y de idioma), a la final salió más económica que armarla por partes o comprarla con las ofertas que hay en el país... Y si me me funcionó perfectamente el WiFi... Eso SIP, la BIOS tiene demasiadas opciones que la verdad no son muy intuitivas...
@@cloudalmasai gracias bro ahora si me animo 😁a traer el kit
@@Jaroartx Si te sirve de algo algunas pruebas de rendimiento que hice: cinebench 1494/12332; geekbench 5 1577/9337 y Timespy 8228.
@@cloudalmasai hola, mañana me llega mi kit del chinito, como hiciste con los drivers, te los instala windows por defecto o le pediste al chinito que te los enviara?
hi! they have 2 versions with 11800H... one said (NO ES) what does it mean? the price is almost the same.. Could you help me?
ES - Engineering Sample. So, if you buy a ES CPU it will show like Intel 0000 in all software, it also has worse specs compared to the final product and sometimes these ES CPUs also have weird problems. I would suggest you to send links to both items in my Discord so I (or others) can help you better.
@@Miyconst thank you so much man for your quick response. Ok so I think I could go for the official Version and not for the ”0000 version”.
I'm curious because in Italy the price of the official 11800h version is about 100€ less than the cost you paid. So for 250€ I think it's a good deal.
I really want this, but no sleep is a deal breaker for me. Is there some kind of work around like hibernate or something?
Yes, hibernation works, but no workaround for the sleep mode.
@@Miyconst Thank you so much for the reply. So in hibernate, does the power completely cut off? If the system is running off NVME I can't imagine waking from hibernate would take that long?
@@tubularmonkeymaniac yes, in hibernation state the power is completely off, the startup time is about the same as a fresh start.
@@Miyconst So you can't use sleep only ? it the draw back other power option work fine ?
Buenas, Tengo esta placa, me va genial, pero tengo un problema, no puedo activar el wake on lan, cuando apago el pc la tarjeta de red se apaga y no parpadean las lucecitas, y ya no puedo activarlo remotamente. Necesito tu ayuda. Gracias de antemano.
Unfortunately I don't think I can help with this issue.
Now this is some real contender to my current X99 system with E5-2650v3, finally I can make really powerfull system with slim case without worrying with the PSU selection, thermal concern, CPU heatsink combability, etc. But I think you forgot to mention about the IGPu on the motherboard, does it's work well with this bizarre motherboard or else? since if I pair it with RX 6600 series or lower, the iGPU will certainly help in video encode/decode and other basic task.
Yes, I totally forgotten about the iGPU. It's Intel UHD and it works just fine.
@@Miyconst ah I see, and does it worth it rather just buying 12400 based platform? Is similar proce tho, and I more type of workstation user rather than gaming, and yeah, I know it's silly but, does it support PCIe Bifurcation? 🤣
lembre que essa placa mae nao é bom colocar air cooler, chega temperaturas alta, tem que ser cooler box
@@saviofonseca5210 It's a 45W TDP laptop CPU, the only problem is the DIY chinese IHS on the motherboard doesn't work well with some cooler, the seller recommend to use flat heatpipe contact surface cooler regardless it's aircooled or not
i am following your weird experience lol, this is maybe my next build, currently use Z370M + QTJ1 linux for my daily as software engineer and don't use my macbook pro M2 from company
What is wrong with the M2? You just don't like it or there are some issues? I would assume that it's supposed to be much better than QTJ1. 😀
@@Miyconst i'm linux user since 10 years ago
The best would be something of that style with a 6800h
Man. I really wanted to get the maxsun, but the core i3 13100 $120 and a $160 DDR4 Mobo is too tempting
Just go with the i3, but don't waste extra money on 13100, it's just a percent or two faster than 12100.
Already installed mine, I get single beep no video on mother board or GPU, bios battery removed several times no luck came with NO manual, any advice? Pls help 🫤
It's very hard to guess what is wrong with this description, please join my discord and ask there.
Nice.
Could you get sleep working on this system?
Hm. I have some sodimm to full dimm ddr4 adapters, a 250w pico psu that can use laptop psus, im pretty sure they make laptop style desktop coolers, right?
Yup, you could make it be a true stationary laptop. 😁
If ali express shipping fee isn’t expensive then it’s a steal
I saw this on AliExpress several months ago. But I do not see it now. May I know how can I get this?
The chipset store
I'm wondering about the Engineering Sample cpu variation of this board. Low price, but I know ES CPUs vary in capability.
I would not bother with the ES option, the price is not that great and you potentially get lots of different issues.
Im looking to upgrade my GPU RX 570 4gb to something with double the FPS count.
Should i go with the 5700xt or the newer GEN 6600?
It depends on your power supply and electricity cost. RX 5700XT is slightly faster, but consumes significantly more power.
@@Miyconst I got a 700watt PSU. I play at 1080p 60fps.
im not gonna fully take advantage of the GPU LIKE ULTRA SETTING.
Probly gonna run it most of the time at 70% usage.
@@SwiinkBEATS in this case I would go with RX 5700XT, but RX 6600 is not bad either.
Thank You🙏. I like you channel.
I was thinking on a Ali Express version of the 5700xt but dought that it can overclock the ram speeds and core speeds.
can timings be controlled?
Would direct die cooling viable on these mobos?
It would make sense if the CPU would be unlocked for overclocking, but with the current configuration it makes little sense.
Does anyone know if the 12500h would do better than this in games?
Erying offers a 12500h at the same price as this model.
It's unlikely, but I have already received my package with i5-12500H and will test it soon.
Awesome :D
I also saw that the page says that the 12th gen sets have only 8 pci lanes so I wonder what you'll make of that...
I wonder what CPU cooler fit it :/ ? 1200 bracket ?
Any LGA 115X/1200 cooler that doesn't use clip-in mounting mechanism should work. This CPU is slightly higher than the standard so coolers like Intel box can't clip in.
@@Miyconst it interesting board, Thank you for answer look nice for compact build not over budget
nevermind watch the video got answer thx i guess better go with i7-11800h than ES
I got question if use 2 x m.2 will sata still work ?
@@Roman9441 unfortunately I can't give you a definite answer about the second M.2 and SATA ports, I am not sure if they are shared or not.
The Version with the same motherboard and a 11980hk is not overclockable?
Sorry, I don't know that.
The price went way up since i heard about these boards a couple weeks ago
Yup.. the current prices are ridiculously high.
Have you measured idle power consumption at wall?
Yes, it was just under 50 watts for the entire system.
I would like to know how they sell i7 at such a low price, will they be recycled from laptops? if someone have any answer
Yes, it's most likely recycled from dead laptops.
The title says this is paired with the 6600m. Where is the 6600m?
It's covered in a separate video: m.ua-cam.com/video/QESDqL1hB5s/v-deo.html
How exactly did you put an rx 6600m into the system, That gpu only comes with laptops right?
There is a dedicated video for RX 6600M: m.ua-cam.com/video/QESDqL1hB5s/v-deo.html
Rx 570 msi is compatible with kit i7 ?
I see no reason why it should not be compatible.
in the description 6600m and in the video 6800xt
I've got the 11980hk Es version. I've been getting bootloop with installing windows 11. I tried installing windows 10 and updating to 11 which worked but after windows update it seems to happen again. Anybody else getting this problem and was able to work around it?
Did you ask the seller about this issue?
@@Miyconst yep. Just waiting on a response now, hopefully not too long given it's the chinese new year period. I noticed a customer wrote in feedback they did a w11 clone from another pc which I'm going to test out and I'll report back. Though that doesn't give me confidence that another windows 11 update won't break it again.
Update: I think I've worked out what has caused the bootloop. Everytime I turn on Hyper-V it sends me into a bootloop, I was able to force a reversal by going into safe mode with networking. I thought Windows 11 was the issue but looks like when I turned on Hyper-V in Windows 10 that is most likely the culprit rather than Windows 11 updates. Don't think I want to spend anymore time trying to work out how to solve the issue, I'll just have to live without Hyper-V on this machine
@@dl1673 yeah, those sellers are usually useless. I have had a similar behavior with a system that had malfunctioning TPM module. Windows 11 relies on TMP while Windows 10 doesn't use it, so it could be that your ES CPU has something wrong with the TMP module.
I buy i9 11900h es on Aliexpress!!!
What CPU cooler are you using with this?
I used a cheap Chinese cooler that's mounted with a bracket that clicks into the mounting holes.
Pls try rtx 3070m it's a interesting gpu for 300$ usd
As far as I know the modded 3070M doesn't work with the standard drivers, you need a special China hacked version, that means no upgrades in the future.
@@Miyconst there's already a workaround for that issue.
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@@Tyuiobr can you guarantee that this workaround won't be blocked by Nvidia in the future? No? Then we can't be sure that there will be any more driver updates for these M hacked GPUs.
I disabled the HT and gaming performance is identical to 12400F
What game, what GPU, what resolution?
@@Miyconst RTX 3070 8GB, any game, any benchmark, 1440p
@@massihkheiry8067 and with Hyper-Threading enabled it's worse? That's rather unexpected, but yeah, this CPU is very close to i5-12400.
@@Miyconst
Yep.
Seems to hyper threading is just make gaming performance worse.
Test it :)
what case are you using?
It's Cooler Master NR200P, see the link in the video description.
Please update about
VRM STRESS TEST TEMPS?
The SSD drives I had all worked okay and were sold in PC builds, but I have got feedback from viewers who had exactly the same looking SSD with different internals. That's why I cancelled the series to don't mislead buyers.
Hi Greatings from brazil!!! i lost my board is the same like you have! i try flash with maxsun bios i lost some things, i decide to roll back a previous bios and my board are brick now! can you save your bios from this board with ch341a and send to me? mine is 25l1283f 3.3v
I have updated the video description, there you will find a link to download the original BIOS that I have got from the AliExpress seller.
Thank you very much!!!
Might be worth watching the Brazilian guys with auto translated cc. Some of the info in this video is misinformation. I'm not calling you out saying you didn't try. I'm saying the info you are reporting isn't accurate. I've seen some folks have the intel box cooler in these and well as TDP is unlocked. It was incorrectly entered. This board comes with some seriously confusing bios but most functions that one requires is there.
There are multiple versions of the IHS, some (like mine) are too high, others are properly sized, that's why our info differs. Regarding the TDP, I can't say much without retesting. I have tried all possible options and it was totally ignored. Could be that I didn't try the right value, but also could be that my particular sample has such behavior.
@@Miyconst Please give it another go. Good luck. I hope to see your channel grow.
theres a cuban streamer who claims achieving 4,9 ghz with a decent big atx cooler...
i got this motherboard for 160$, and considering the cheapest most loser version of a lga 1700 motherboard and 12100f is 180$ where i live, i think i done good
I would think otherwise but if you like it - ok.
Haz pruebas con warzone plis
too expensive :(
Yup, I agree.
test the i5 12500h
I will try.
man the gaming performance is quite terrible compare to 12100.......
Very true.
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milliWatts, not Watts, bro
Right, after correct settings (150000) CPU consumes up to 109W (reported by HWINFO, under FPU stress test of AIDA). VRM is weak here (heated to 90+ degrees on small radiators), extra direct cooling on VRM is necessary for such loads.
guys, do you have a discord or something, would love to join
The discord link is available on the channel's main page and video description.
@@Miyconst thanks 😀
what cpu cooler ware you using?