Carl Long's Illegal Engine
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- Опубліковано 9 кві 2023
- Today, we all know Carl Long as owner of NASCAR Xfinity and Cup team MBM Motorsports. MBM has been very quiet so far in 2023, but made headlines in 2022 with a double top 10 in the Xfinity Daytona Summer race with Timmy Hill and JJ Yeley. Although Carl has been lucky enough to make a career in NASCAR, it hasn’t been all sunshine and rainbows for him. In fact, no one in NASCAR history had a bigger hurdle to get over than Carl Long did in 2009.
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Carl Long's illegal Engine
NASCAR's Biggest Penalty Ever
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That’s a gigantic penalty for an engine that’s barely oversized
Just .17 to big is all it took
It's a shame something like this happens to a struggling team.
Could this be why Awesome Bill was awesome? Lol.
Can't imagine .17 over being a noticeable advantage. Rules may be rules but clearly this wasn't an attempt to break them and instead of being cut and dry NASCAR should use some common sense.
@@sammylacks4937 Maybe they shouldn't cheat.
@@blankman6681 inbred comment of the day
@@blankman6681 Cheat how? By buying an engine from a trusted source?
These engines are built so close to the size limit at 357.xx cubic inches that basically every engine in the field is "over sized" when they park the car after a race. The part NASCAR doesn't say old loud is the manufactures didn't want a 3rd party building engines. That was the issue, and NASCAR was told to send a message. Much like when Mayfield was singled out for using drugs, France was strung out on oxys when he suspended him. I was working the circuit in the 2000s and I assure u Mayfield wasn't the only driver or crew member that had a problem.
There were a lot of rumors flying around the Cup garage back then, from oversized engines, tire soaking, and traction control. It was thought then by some, and still thought even today, that NASCAR threw the book at Carl as either a scapegoat or a warning to other teams.
Let's all be honest....... .17 didn't make a damn bit of difference in him having an advantage
I remember this penalty and assumed the team said "fuck it, what do we have to lose maybe they won't notice lol" and put a jet engine or something under the hood
That is when I started to not watch Nascar very much anymore. I don't know why, but I was a Carl Long fan before this even happened. To this day it carries over, I watch a couple of races a year and never tape them.. and this is what caused it all to start. Nascar being Nascar. Yes, I keep up with drivers and points but I don't buy anything Nascar or give them my ratings. I spend my time at dirt tracks instead of watching Nascar these days.
8:00 LongShot nickname is 🔥
At 3:35 0.17 cubic inch is a little more than 0.02 cubic inch per cylinder. It would only require a few thousands of an inch increase in the bore and stroke to account for this half a teaspoon difference. Also, the calculation for a cylinder uses Pi. If it's rounded to 3.1416 instead of the more accurate 3.14159 that could account for some of the overage.
The Engine was definitely worn.
The smallest typically oversized piston built for production engines is .020 or in some cases .010. So either the one cylinder was oddly over sized due to wear, repair, etc or every cylinder was just honed over to be a little loose. A common clearance in most production engines is .003-.006. None of the math adds up in this case. But as has been proven many times... NASCAR is always right even if they are wrong.
Do they use strict bore and stroke measurements or do they actually go by volume somehow?
Being blown up surely affected the size somehow.
@@kramnull8962 bore × stroke is volume
Carl Long is cool I wish mbm would have some better luck it seems like every time something good happens to them they then have several months of bad luck that follow
10:11 I don't think millions of others have tried to race in NASCAR
“Your engine blew up and was too big, so we’re gonna end your career”
*microscopically too big
Carl Long is one of the most cursed NASCAR drivers there is. MBM Motorsports is also my favorite small team.
MBM is the final real small team that's still around. Definitely my favorite team 💪
Carl long is a legend
Richard Petty got to keep his 199th win after being caught with a 382 cubic inch engine. Talk about oversized. He was penalized $35k which adjusted for inflation to 2009 when Carl Long had his, was equivalent to $75k vs Longs $200k. Moral of the story, Long should've run a motor 24 cubic inches too big and won the race. Petty was a good driver but King of what? Winning 13 car races on 1/4 tracks and winning with illegal engines?
Exactly. Petty was one of the biggest cheaters but like Jimmie Johnson (who we know skirted the rules alot), he had a friendly attitude so fans ignored it and accepted it. Anyone remember Chad Knaus telling Jimmie to make sure he wrecked the back of the car while doing donuts after a win? Petty also ran county fair races against average Joe's who built their own cars on a shoestring budget. These races were sponsored by NASCAR so counted as NASCAR wins.
In petty's first autobiography (grand national) he said cheat on 100 things if you get caught on 50 you are still 50 ahead
@blankman likes his own comments 😆
I thought from the video title that it was going to be blatant, like a 383-cube engine, like Richard Petty used to win his 199th race. And he was allowed to keep the win with a lot smaller fine. NASCAR coming down on a struggling small race team like that is just vindictive. If I was the tech inspector, I would just shrug my shoulders and say "meh, it rounds down to 358. Close enough for jazz. Just don't bring it back".
I remember Carl mainly for his Late Model Stock Car years at places like Orange County (NC) Speedway. Always had Romeo Guest on the car, and was a pretty successful racer in those years. I also vaguely remember him giving up his starting position, car, or something like that to Darrell Waltrip at Rockingham one year. Long since forgotten what exactly happened, but DW wouldn’t have been able to start the race if it wasn’t for Carl!
Coca-Cola 600 at Charlotte, can't remember exactly what year.
@@andrewperry2638 Thanks! My 63 year old brain isn’t what it used to be! Ha! Wish I could remember the situation on that deal! Have a great weekend!
So, I looked it up and it was May, 2000. Carl Long had just qualified/made the field, for his first cup race, the Coca-Cola 600. Darell Waltrip failed to qualify, so Darell went to Carl, asking to make a deal for his starting spot. The rest is history. Later that season, Carl made his cup debut at Dover.
Coke 600, 2000. Waltrip's final season.
Yeah, I also used to see him at Orange County before he moved up to one of the touring series. I stopped following as closely shortly after. Actually, I didn't know he made it so far.
$200k? Crazy. Where will the money go? Back pockets? Sounds bent, corrupt.
And his engine was only .17 cubic inches too big. If it was 1 or 2 cubic inches I’d understand
NASCAR penalties go to the NASCAR Foundation. 2009 was the second year of that happening.
Charities
I remember that penalty. Carl got the shaft, I’m glad he persevered.
VERY NICE GUY !!!!!! WE NEED MORE LIKE HIM IN THE SPORT.......
I know that I'm late to the party but I totally forgot this happened. I watched Brock Beard's ROTFF episode on Carl Long and his team and now I remember that this debacle was mentioned. $200,000 dollars? Damn, that is a lot.
There’s a lot of comments here that don’t understand how engine building and tolerances work. If they were running a 3.25” stroke an increase of cylinder bore size of .001” is enough to make .17 cubic inches of difference across the entire engine. One thou. These engines get rebuilt and freshened dozens of times and the mid pack to bottom pack teams never have a brand new, first time machined engine. A simple rehone and rering freshening could easily remove 1 thou from the cylinder walls.
The fact that even NASCAR didn’t seem to understand this back then with a team that they know isn’t machining their own engines is astounding.
5:23 talk to Ernie. Don’t just chase the driver! 🙄
Nascar punishing a man that barely qualifies that harshly and took that long to say “ok maybe that was a little much” is the reason why people are moving away from nascar. You need to punish a team harshly yet but fairly. This means bigger teams get bigger fines while smaller team get smaller fines. Cause if you have the money a fine is a rule in place to stop poor people. If this isn’t a form of discrimination then I don’t know what is. Good on the fans fro supporting a determined driver
They're trying to make NASCAR observed as the elite of stock car racing, and pushing out the little guy for its proposed image.
I worked with carl as his rear tire carrier when we were cup
Me to
That tiny amount of cubic inch increase could have really been unintentional or the result of just normal use. It obviously didn't help him any and I'm betting if they had dyno'd every team's engine before the race it probably would have had the worst numbers out of all of them. There have been plenty of way way worse illegal engines that didn't cause anywhere near the fallout.
I am Carl Long Nation, saludos desde Chile
NASCAR being NASCAR basically.
4:41 really? They didn’t talk to Carl and see where he got the engine? That’s fishy
I would think deliberately crashing into another driver would get a bigger penalty than .17 Cubic Inches.
I'm now rooting for MBN motorsports
I’ve always loved that team and rooted for them. Had Clements stayed disqualified that race it would’ve been the greatest underdog triumph in NASCAR. I’d say equal to Brawn GP.
NASCAR: "I'm going to end this mans whole career"
That’s dedication
We used to over bore cylinder 3 and 7 all the time.
MBM is returning to Cup series 2024….. I’m excited
The funniest thing is that google says the r07 he wouldve used in 2009 has a 4.19 bore, 3.25 stroke and calculates to 358.32 ci lol bigger than Carls big engine based on decimals alone
Google is rounding up the max allowable bore size. It is 4.185".
I would like to know if Carl was allowed to have a second party look at the accused oversize engine for a second opinion? In NASCAR there is no union so I doubt he was given the chance
Isn’t 0.17 cu inches like, 2 teaspoons? Sure, it’s still over, but considering the fact that there have been engine allegedly 5 cu inches over spec that got a slap on the wrist… seems like something was up.
Google says one cubic inch equals 3.32468 teaspoons so 0.17 ci equals 0.565195 tsp, slightly more than half.
It’s a black eye on nascar for sure. I still think nascar was sending a message to the builder
But Richard Petty got to keep his win. Gaaaaaah!!!
Exactly 💯💯
Anyone ever wonder why 358 CI ? Because it's a perfect size for GM . Ford and Mopar engines take more money and work to get that size .
It’s all a sham, ain’t it? - Ghandi
Giant engine! Qualified 43rd of 43 cars
Can’t say MBM will never be a race winning team. There is always a chance
That penalty is absolutely ridiculous they could of just confiscated the block even so it couldnt of been used again it was blown but a 200k fine is ridiculous it sounds like nascar just wanted his money and nothing more
If i were him id buy a cheap 5.3 ls engine put a nitrous kit on it swap it in the car run the biggest shot the drivetrain could take and show nascar what real cheating looks like.
Could .17 cubic inches really make a difference? Sounds so insignificant
He qualified dead last so no it didn't
Nope!
And this sort of thing is why I haven't watched NASCAR for decades now. Smokey Yunick was their favorite victim.
Possibly a Nascar Wreckfest Video Will Be Uploaded After That Race
If only Mr. Long had more melanin in his skin, he would be fine!
Carl Long is my favorite NA$CAR driver and personality! If hard work, talent and being a good person paid "stage points" he'd have walked off with the Cup 10x plus by now. But instead, NA$¢AR would rather have diversity, crybabies and pretty boys with robotic personalities and empty hard drives for souls be their poster boys/girls/transformers heading forward.
Just out of curiosity is it legal to run an undersized engine?
Not any more. When teams figured out a "small" motor made more power on a restrictor plate track, a lot of them started running motors that were around 40 inches smaller than the max size allowed. NASCAR put an end to that as well.
So basically a probably over ran worn out engine block is what happened
There is no rehab for racing
Fun fact- his wife is the listed team owner. 😬🤭😂 Just a lil funny I always thought. 👀
If life isn't kicking ya in the teeth, ya need to find ya self a new horse....
He missed the opportunity to caption the thumbnail, “Carl Long’s Too Long Engine”
seems a bit illegal
This is why nascar is dying, or at least slow and painfully. I guess the old adage 'it's not what you know but who you know' still rings true. Top teams barely get smacked on the hands while lower dollar teams get screwed over with 30 grit sandpaper. Yeah, really being fair nascar.
You could say he had long odds
I don't think its fair to call the oversized engine incident an accident. I saw an interview once where Carl admitted they got the engine at a discount due to it being "big". Was NASCAR nuking him from orbit because of it ridiculous? Yah.
I have been a *MASSIVE* Carl Long fan since 1999 and I don't ever remember hearing him give ANY kind of indication that he was aware that anything was illegal about the engine prior to the penalty being announced. Not saying your lying but I have NEVER heard this. Can you provide a link?
@@MatthewLewisAtlanta agreed!
Why did dodge only comeback one time
Wtf is that gonna give u a 1/2 hp advantage
Not even.
NASCAR needs to end. Track owners need to get together and start a real grass roots organization. It would be extremely easy. Gather the still alive car owners, drivers, crew chiefs, and mechanics from the 70’s, 80’s, & 90’s. Stick them in a room with cases of beer and moonshine. Give them one day to get bent. The following day give them another few hours more hours and you will have a way better organized organization in which the fans will come back in groves. Call it whatever you want. Just keep anyone with the NASCAR as far away as possible and remind them that they ruined themselves and are no longer needed.
I keep telling people if I ever win a chunk of money I will pay his fine and build a big F U NASCAR statue
I kinda feel like the 0.17cui oversize penalty, was kinda BS.
On a 3.25in stroke V8 that size difference is equivalent to 0.0012in of bore, which is entirely possible to be a matter of thermal expansion.
I wonder if they let Carl Ice the engine down.
@Dan G I have no clue, but after being ran it could take as much as a day of sitting disassembled for that bottom end to cool back to ambient temp, and then you still have the question of if Nascar has a rule for the guild lines relivant to measuring at a thousandth of an inch. The measuring tool itself can have its accuracy thrown out that much by prolonged access to skin contact or sitting on a warm table. Any machinist would have all kinds of arguments and questions if some random person walked into a shop and started claiming parts are off 0.0012in.
All fines should be donated to nascar children’s charities fund.
I remember this penalty. Not a good look for that team.
Not a good look for nascar bullying him
It’s bullshit NAziCAR shenanigans as usual. File this one under the ole “Haves keeping the have-nots out”
If I remember correctly nascar got angry that fans attempted to pay his fine and gave the money to charity. Yet Hendrick motorsports cheats and manipulates hood louvers and gets off with a slap on the wrist talk about favoritism there penalties got overturned simply because there a top tier organization and if they slap them with a historic penalty and fine it makes nascar look bad. In this instance it wasn't even his engine yet he gets fined 200,000 and pushed out of the sport for simply getting a motor from somebody else unseen and because fans got behind a under funded team attempting to circumvent the monetary fine nascar imposed to make an example of him nascar got pissed off
They paid $400,000 in fines and Crew Chiefs suspended 4 weeks. That's not Scott free
@@ls_812 ok not Scott free but they got off easy
Carl's team was not a Start & Park team. They actually attempted to run the entire races. There's a big difference between an underdog and a "team" who intentionally parks.
@@MatthewLewisAtlanta u are correct on that
He did go fundme before ever1
Damn, that's kind of a dick move by nascar lol
It seems like Carl Long's team wanted to use an NHRA drag racing engine. 😅
Am I missing something that was supposed to be funny here? Or are you just diarrhea-ing at the fingers to see yourself type?
NASCAR measured the engine at 358.17 cubic inches, 0.17 more than the legal limit!!!!
Wonder who calibtes or proves NASCAR measuring devices?
Nascar's unluckiest driver.
Hey, avoid saying "Anyways". It's officially "Anyway". It's been creeping in for years now, but it's not yet officially in the English language. Irregardless is a close second. Me and him, he and I, what's his face. Eventually we will all be down to burps and clicks, but for now, not English...
I don't think the southern in me will ever let me say "anyways" without the s lol
*burps*
you know language is something that evolves over a period of time. it really shouldn't matter as long as we understand each other
Carl Long is the GOAT