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- When it comes to Torahism, which teaches that Christians are under the old covenant law, the mistake that I’ve made (and many of us make) is thinking that its all about theology. It’s not. I’m speaking broadly here, but many Christians who adopt a Torah-observant lifestyle and become contentious about it, do so as an issue of personal identity or pride. They believe they’ve discovered some sort of hidden knowledge that the rest of the Church doesn’t see. And so they begin re-interpreting everything in Scripture to support this belief and then they try to convince other Christians it’s true. But here’s the thing. Torahism isn’t teaching hidden knowledge that the Church just doesn’t see. They’re teaching an ancient heresy that the church has seen and rejected time and again. I mean, going all the way back to the early church and the books of Galatians and Romans and Hebrews.
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This is 100% true. I say that as someone who came out of HRM.
It's so encouraging to see comments like this. ❤
Very well said!
Me too!
The problem with Messianic’s/Hebrew roots people is that they know so much that isn’t true. Kinda like a liberal arts graduate
I've seen them create whole dissertations at the drop of a hat about why that word/that verse doesn't really mean what it's meant for 1000s of years:
"You see, the church/the translators/the publishers/the preachers got it all wrong & let me tell you why in a 1000 words or less...!"
@@kimartistSOOOO WELL SAID IT IS SCARY. Thank you😊
You can say that about all people, including Christians, who claim to know so many things yet in reality haven’t got a clue when their assumptions are challenged. Aristoteles summed it up correctly that we can’t know anything absolutely. The only thing we can know for sure is that we know nothing.
You nailed it!! Ancient heresy repackaged and remixed!
They are very contentious and arrogant. Yes, personal identity, hidden knowledge & not about theology. (Ancient heresay). Just disagree with them and you will see their fruit. It's not the Fruit of one who has the Spirit. Our identity is in Jesus Christ, for those truly Born From Above.
Yes they are VICIOUS 👀
What up with THAT? 🤯
BORN FROM ABOVE
yes - this is the correct phrase
not "born again"
: )
It's the making things up that gets me.
They will deliberately flip the plain meaning of Scripture on its head (depends on what the meaning of "is" is!) &/or reject it altogether (esp. "Paulism") & then get SO ANGRY 😡🤬😡 when people don't agree & some will even make wild slanderous accusations like keeping the 9th Commandment is not part of their credo. It's astonishing actually. Lord Jesus meet the need please 🙏
The "flesh" is so very religious... it has so much religious zeal that Paul said "by the righteousness found in the Torah, he was found blameless.." ! yet he equates that form of righteousness (and zeal) as mere rubbish.. so beware Christian brothers and sisters... "put NO confidence in the flesh !
If the Gospel of Jesus is not the very foundation that we build on and interpret scripture, we will create our own interpretation, which always leads to a false teaching. Some Christians even use doctrine as their foundation, rather than the Gospel, and they end up with a false gospel. It's like building your house without first laying the foundation. They are actually putting the foundation on top of the house, which will cause the house to collapse. Get the Gospel right and be established in it, or else it won't matter what you believe or don't believe. It won't matter what you do or don't do. There is no other foundation that we can build on! It is the vital condition for salvation and proper interpretation of the scriptures. Everyone needs to understand this!
The foundation is not the gospel, nor any of the letters and books of the New Testament. The foundation, as it concerns scripture, is the Torah. The New Testament has to be judged against it. This has never been done properly by the church fathers. They ignored large junks of it especially the clear warning in Deuteronomy not to add nor take away of the words Moses commanded.
The early church did follow the Torah, made sacrifices at the temple and were zealous in their pursuit of holiness. In Acts even Paul is portrayed to defend himself against accusations that he teaches apostasy from the Torah. This sometimes makes me think he’s not the same Paul in Acts as the one who wrote the letters where he seems to do exactly that what the Jerusalem church under James accused him of, teaching Jews and Gentiles alike not to be circumcised, not to keep the Sabbath holy and to eat meat sacrificed to idols, etc.
Matthew is also problematic, he keeps on quoting scripture as proof texts to show how Jesus is the fulfilment of scripture, yet if you look them up not one does actually say what he claims. They’re either taken out of context, mistranslated or are ambiguous.
If we want a foundation we have to reexamine the New Testament scriptures and reject those who contradict the writings of the TeNaCh. We also have to get a better understanding of what the TeNaCh actually teaches about the Messiah instead of relying on traditions of men.
@@rightouslivingThat's the very problem, they rely on the doctrines of men and not the bible, I believe deep down they know this, but it's easier for them to find someone who teaches a doctrine that aligns with what they want, than to change for Christ.
WHO WERE THE FIRST ONES CALL CHRISTIANS ? THE APOSTLES , WHO ARE ISRAELITES ( ACTS 11:25-26 ) . THE GENTILES ARE NOT UNDER THE LAWS OF THE FATHER , BECAUSE HE NEVER MADE A COVENANT WITH THEM ; BUT UNDER THE LAWS OF CHRIST ; WHICH ARE THE SAME LAWS .
1 CORINTHIANS 9:19-21 , 19.For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
NOW WHO'S WORDS DID CHRIST BRING ?
JOHN 12:48-50 , 48.He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
JOHN 7:16-17 , 16.Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
17If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
THAT GOSPEL THAT CHRIST GAVE YOU ARE THE WORDS OF THE FATHER ; THE SAME WORDS THAT IISRAEL RECEIVED AT HOREB OR MOUNT SINAI .
DEUTERONOMY 18:15-19 , 15.The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
IT WILL BE REQUIRED OF YOU AT THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT .
SHALOM !
Great job, love your vids
Torahism 101 = Matthew 5:43 and Matthew 22:37-39 (Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18).
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you?
I read the Bible a lot for years and I rejected Torahism
Thanks brother for all you do ! GOD BLESS
Professor, You have talked about the four, then five stages of Torahism. Could you please direct me to which video you describe those ? From the limited exposure I have had to the movement, it seems very true, sadly. A short would be nice. Thanks for all!
Hi, Martha. The concept first came from Dr. Michael Brown, who shared it when I interviewed him on this channel. You can see him explain it here:
ua-cam.com/video/F-w2qcryJ1A/v-deo.html
The first four stages come from him, and I later added a fifth stage, which I discuss here:
ua-cam.com/video/n2tJzhLOC7o/v-deo.html
Blessings!
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRootsI’m afraid the link isn’t accessible.
@@LittleStitious the links worked for me.
@@herbladyHCG The links don't work in the Android app.
@@LittleStitious All you have to do is search for the video code - w2qcryJ1A - & the video will come up. The time code is 26 : 45
Basically the steps are:
Fascinate
Stimulate
Complicate
Suffocate
I have said this so many times, its gnosticisim...
One of my pet peeves is trading Bible verses back & forth, back & forth, ad ininitum only to find out that they deny Jesus Christ as God 👀
Or deny some other super duper important fundamental of the Christian faith.
And next to it is being berated & belittled for merely being a Christian who believes Christian things 🤔
(Not talking about the random atheists who sometimes drop into the comment section, because the algo put one of Biblical Roots' shorts into their feed. Atheists gonna atheist. May God bless them all.)
Freedom of religion is a thing, a good thing, but what is the point of endlessly berating people you have absolutely no common ground with (& will never have common ground with)?
To me, the angry/argumentative/unreasonable Torahists are negating, rather than advertising, their religion. No reasonable person would ever be attracted to that kind of "faith."
And, as far as I can tell, YT comment sections are not a fertile ground for drawing away converts (unlike FB, Tiktok, etc.), so that can't be the attraction for them either.
You can tell when people are asking sincere questions & the people who've had their lives disrupted by Torahism need to be supported, so thank God for this ministry.
Finally, because I get accused of so many outlandish things by the most virulent, let me just say that I found this channel, because I was looking for a good Bible study on Hebrews & NOT because I was looking for a teacher to teach me "wrong things" about Torah keeping. This whole world of "Torahism" became fascinating to me, because it completely opposes what I've come to consider a literary masterpiece: The Epistle to the Hebrews.
Kimartist, Remind them you can't use another bible verse to refute yours since the Bible is Inerrant. Stay on yours in context. Then ask them to read St. IGNATIUS of Antioch. He was ORDAINED by Peter and taught by Peter, John, and Paul. What did he wrtite?
@@DaVinci3333 Good point! Seems like they just keep changing meanings of words & things until it all "works out" to their satisfaction... I haven't read St. Ignatius of Antioch, so I can't go there unfortunately (church history is definitely not my strong point).
You are 100 on point..which is why on that day the lord will say to many..i never knew you😢😢😢😢
A guy I work with is into Hebrew roots. And he doesn't acknowledge all of Paul's writings and the gospels of Luke and Matthew.
I have known folks like what mr solberg is describing. But, WHAT HE SAYS IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL TORAH OBSERVANT CHRISTIANS. The reality of Torah is clearly written and not hidden. And the falling away and return to Torah has been a pattern repeated throughout the entire bible, even before the first century church. The kings of Isreal would forget Torah and lead the people away and then a prophet would come along and be a reminder followed by repentance. My favorite example of this is King Josiah. A great read for anyone who is interested.
Very true, Matt! Falling away from the Torah was a huge problem in the OT for the Israelites who were living under that law.
RLS
Seems our heavenly Father knew from the beginning of time we'd need a Savior.
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But for the Christian, God doesn't mind a bit, it is purely optional right?
@@vernmiroth1626 The Torah is a beautiful and fundamental part of the Christian faith. Also, Christians are not under the Law of Moses (Rom 7:6; 1 Cor. 9:19-23; Gal. 3:23-25, 5:18, etc.). Therefore, keeping some of the old covenant rituals (kosher diet, Torah feats, etc.) is purely optional.
RLS
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You really ought to stop saying that you believe it's a beautiful thing. Iis very contradictory to then turn around and say that it is also a curse
Real question here for a person who is a a genetic descendant of the patriarchs the books writen for the people of Israel who the messiah was promised. Define the new covenant using scripture please.
Yes, please, would he be able to do that??
Thank you. I've needed this explanation
I have to admit that I've never met a "Torah Observant Christian" that even remotely imaged Messiah but I'm not a Christian, I am Israel through faith in Yeshua the Messiah. To say that I follow Yeshua and then steal from my neighbor is contradictory. Stealing was wrong before Moses and it will be wrong in the kingdom. Yeshua it can be said is the Living Torah. If any disciple perfectly images Yeshua, he will be perfectly aligned with Torah. Only a "Christian" would write a book promoting lawlessness and teaching that the Torah that Messiah taught is somehow now done away.
Hi, Jeffrey! Actually, I teach and believe that obedience to God is of utmost importance for believers. We are to submit to His authority over our lives. Jesus said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And I’m sure you would agree that not every command God has given applies to every person at all times. Some only apply to certain people (i.e., men, women, parents, Levitical priests) or at certain times (i.e., building an ark, gathering manna, while in exile). And I’m sure you would also agree that we are each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. The NT expressly teaches that many of the commands given under the Old Covenant Law do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6). And “If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law: (Gal. 5:18)..
Blessings, RLS
Yeah it wasn't pride at all when they replaced the commandments of Yah with men's traditions...LOL
Moving from His calendar to Romes...and rejecting His diet for their belly their god...
Yours follows the false witness of the Synagogue of Freedman which claimed Stephen taught He changed the customs of Moses...Luke was clear it was FALSE WITNESS as Stephen didn't do that because He didn't do that...and yet here you are
He SEALED His NT lifestyle He gave us at Sinai with His death Hebrews 9:16-17 and NO CHANGES Galatians 3:15 is why His church hurried to keep the Sabbath and Passover and Shavuot even...
So good. 🙌
100%
Brother Solberg, it doesn’t matter what you say, you won’t have authority with the Hebrew roots folks. To them, if you don’t keep the Law, you don’t have the Holy Spirit leading you to keep the Law so they will reject everything you say. I
The Scriptures don't even have authority with the Torahists! There's so many things they should be doing through Levitical priests - who have FULL AUTHORITY in their purview - but Torahists pick & choose what they will & won't do, basically making things up as they go along, & even if they did submit themselves to Levitical authority they'd probably be laughed out on their rears.
Not my words.
Acts 5:29-33
[29]Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
[30]The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
[31]Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
[32]And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
[33]When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.
That's probably, true, TK! But if I can help point even one of them to their true freedom in Christ, it's worth it.
"If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law" (Gal. 5:18)
RLS
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Galatians 5:16-26
[16]This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
[17]For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
[18]But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[19]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[20]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[21]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
[22]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[23]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[24]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
[25]If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
[26]Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Romans 7:7-12
[7]What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
[8]But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
[9]For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
[10]And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
[11]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
[12]Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
I'm leaving a gap here for emphasis.
Romans 7:13-23
[13]Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
[14]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[15]For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[16]If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[17]Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[18]For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[19]For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[20]Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[21]I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[22]For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[23]But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Another gap for emphasis.
Romans 7:24-25
[24]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[25]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Is this not also what he said in Galatians 5?
Galatians 5:16-18
[16]This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
[17]For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
[18]But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now Paul also says this:
Romans 6:12-16
[12]Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
[13]Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
[14]For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[15]What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
[16]Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Back to the OP's point. The Word clearly says that God gives the Spirit to those that obey Him. This is backed up by other verses in the OT and NT.
Proverbs 15:28-29
[28]The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things.
[29]The LORD is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous.
1 Peter 3:11-17
[11]Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
[12]For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
[13]And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?
[14]But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
[15]But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
[16]Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
[17]For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
What does the Word conversation mean in verse 16?
Does Mr. Solberg have authority over the Word of God?
I don’t believe that we are “under” the Law. It is quite clear to me that we are not “bound” as Paul put it. But I merely ask you why we were given the Law? I believe it was to separate and sanctify the Israelites. Why should I not want to be sanctified? However I see the point that it is a slippery slope. If one tries to justify their given grace then they will lose what they had. Shalom. 🙏 ✝️ ❤️
We can only boast in Jesus Christ, not in our works.
If you're not a Hebrew then stay away from the book of Hebrews by Paul, the book will only hurt you.
😂
No. They've just read their bibles and believed what it said.
Amen my brother. Shalom. 🙏✝️❤️
@@sraveiryorkshire5770 Shalom.
Here is The REAL answer... You are here on this earth to find out IF you will serve GOD or Not... Think very carefully about The Answer... Will you believe the writings of men who contradict "The Word of GOD" as if GOD did not Know the answer in advance... And just what was it that made you think that GOD had mistakenly done Anything... You are being taught to refuse The Word of GOD... Remember this The Messiah is "The Word of GOD"... made flesh... ALL the words not just the ones you decide are good... "...Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God..." Here is The Perspective... GOD, The Messiah, and ALL The Prophets are in agreement, listen again to the Messiah... "...Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken..." Words in Red... Are you so lost that you don't hear The Messiah either... Selah Then HE (The Messiah taught them from "Where" The Word of GOD (also called Moses and The Prophets) "... Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself..." Selah Did you know and understand that The Word of GOD is Eternal... No matter what Any man writes or teaches at anytime... "...Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it..." The Word of GOD sent through The Prophet Isaiah, Who has more prophecy about The Messiah than Any other...Selah
Hi, JimBob! I teach and believe that obedience to God is of utmost importance for believers. We are to submit to His authority over our lives. Jesus said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And I’m sure you would agree that not every command God has given applies to every person at all times. Some only apply to certain people (i.e., men, women, parents, Levitical priests) or at certain times (i.e., building an ark, gathering manna, while in exile). And I’m sure you would also agree that we are each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. The NT expressly teaches that many of the commands given under the Old Covenant Law do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6). “If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law: (Gal. 5:18)..
Blessings, RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots The most basic of The Commands is to Keep The Sabbath (7th day) So IF you are trying to keep "the most basic commands" why than Sunday Church... There is Not 1 command for The Sabbath to be changed, by anybody in the entire bible... So what does that mean, Knowing this NO man has the authority to change what GOD commanded... Christianity does not keep Any of the commands of GOD, but chooses to follow the traditions of men,,, And what did The Messiah say about that... "...Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men..." The Word of GOD or the traditions of men... keeping in mind that The Messiah said... "...Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God..." And then what did The Apostles say about it... "...Act 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men..." So what does that mean... Christianity refused "The Words of GOD", And it is evident in almost everything they do... In fact they are only keeping 1 commanded feast (and not Correctly at that)... "Pentecost"...
Me personally see it as Teachers pulling the children away from the Torah foundation of Wisdow,
Messiah is the walking talking torah. Not a lawless teacher mentioned in Revulations.
Jesus is the Torah being made flesh. It doesn’t make him God almighty but he is still exalted as the king of the Jews and by adoption the king of all the world. Torah keeping however has to be looked upon carefully as it applies to different people in different ways. Gentiles don’t need to be circumcised for example even if they accept Jesus as their king. However the Torah is still valid and every tittle and iota needs to be taught if one wants to be called great in God’s kingdom.
again your cultistish mental state is showing. Jesus is NOT the walking Torah, you blaspheme God. Jesus is the Logos NOT the nomos. God will judge you and your fellow cultists harshly
Not that I agree with the (ridiculous) statement, but HOW can a mere man become a living/breathing/walking/talking Torah? Can YOU do it?! Is that why you people are such j€rks about it - because you believe you've become the Torah Policemen of the world? It would TAKE A GOD to become the Torah. It would TAKE A GOD to fulfill the Torah. I believe the latter rather than the former (though we do have a verse that says the ordinances that were against us were nailed to the cross - it's not clear whether it's meant literally, or symbolically & I'm not prepared to argue it either way - I'm just eternally grateful it was done 🙌), but either way: JESUS IS GOD. His Word is true. By His stripes we are healed. Let the "yeah buts" begin...
@@kimartist I don’t believe Jesus became a walking book or scroll if that’s what you’re thinking. God wants the Torah to become flesh in all of us. So what does make Jesus different? Nothing, really, except that he has been anointed to be the king of the Jews. That’s what Messiah means, in Greek “Christ”, the anointed one. However the expected Messiah had to fulfill certain criteria:
1: he had to be of the correct Dravidic lineage. This means his father must have been a direct descendant of king David via his son Salomon.
2: he must be called by God himself in the same way as David was. This makes him the Son of God. During the baptism scene John anointed Jesus to be the king of the Jews. This is not explicitly mentioned but heavily implied if we believe that the original text of the voice from heaven was “You are my son, today have I begotten you”. An anointing was usually preceded by a washing of purification like a baptism.
3: he has to bring about a period of peace where the whole world recognises his leadership and submits to the law coming from Jerusalem. He will rule with a strong hand. This unfortunately Jesus has not fulfilled but is expected to happen on his second coming. Instead he is thought to have fulfilled an alternative prophecy, that of the suffering servant. As a king he represents Israel and has become the first of many brethren who suffered unjustly under gentile and Christian oppression. This suffering however will result in the healing of the nations once Israel is restored again.
Jesus became the Torah in the flesh because through his teachings it will become manifest in us if we accept Jesus as our Lord and Saviour. We are instructed to follow his example and to meditate in the Torah day and night. Thus it will become flesh in us, too, and this we will become one with God our father.
There are many theological stances that become issues of identity for believers, including Calvinism and Arminianism, for example. The search for hidden knowledge is not exclusive to any one group, and if one investigated diligently, he could most likely find the same tendency in any denomination, movement, or local church, including yours.
Identity in Messiah certainly should trump one’s other theological stances and guard against the pursuit of secret knowledge.
Mr Solberg, I know, in your mind, you're fully convinced that you understand the subject you're speaking of. You do not! You're opening line says all. You are lying about what Hebrews teaches. Until you actually familiarize yourself with the subject you're so vehemently hating on, you'll never get it
He wrote a book, working on second book, and been studying it for years.
Hi, Vern. I am not intentionally lying about what Hebrew Roots theology teaches, but it's always possible that I am mistaken. Torah-keeping Christians don't all believe the exact same thing, but speaking broadly, I would say that Hebrew Roots teaches that followers of Jesus are required to keep the old covenant laws, including a kosher diet, the Torah feast, circumcision, and the seventh day Sabbath. And most would add that not keeping those things is disobedient and sinful.
Does that sound accurate to you?
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots your insistence on using words and phrases such as "required" and "under the law" are the problem. We have differing definitions of such things. If you truly sought to be unbiased and reaching out to the Torah community, you would attempt to understand that. But, you've found a lucrative niche in your Christian community I suppose so stick with it
I was in the Torah cult for 8 years… Rob is telling the truth.
@@vernmiroth1626 Lucrative? LOL!
I'm curious about something, Vern. Why, even though you don't know me, are you comfortable accusing me of selling out on biblical truth for a buck? Why do you assume that I have not made an honest attempt to rightly understand the theology of Torah-keepers? Why makes you conclude that I am lying, rather than simply mistaken or that I have come to a different conclusion than you?
I ask because what you're doing is uncharitable and the Bible calls it bearing false witness. But you don't seem concerned about that.
Shalom, RLS
Its Not Hidden. It right their in front of You, only fleshly blindness keeps you from seeing it.
It HIS ways, not Ours, Ours is flesh self gratification unwilling to be Servile. Be a true servant.
Only the Elohiem can open eyes, unblind, a.nd all One has to do is Pray to HIM for it.
Hi, Smurfy! I teach and believe that obedience to God is of utmost importance for believers. We are to submit to His authority over our lives. Jesus said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And I’m sure you would agree that not every command God has given applies to every person at all times. Some only apply to certain people (i.e., men, women, parents, Levitical priests) or at certain times (i.e., building an ark, gathering manna, while in exile). And I’m sure you would also agree that we are each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. The NT expressly teaches that many of the commands given under the Old Covenant Law do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6). “If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law: (Gal. 5:18)..
Blessings, RLS
Oh smurfy you are just a ding dong.
how does this type of thing keep appering into my feed. i never been of the Abrahamic faiths. I am a heathen, a person of the old Norse faith. yet this appears. don't get me wrong I like learning of others faith and how they think. but isn't the UA-cam algorithm meant to be more catered to an individual?
Maybe the Lord is at work exposing you to himself 🤔 ?
Maybe you have a light, a light to see the scriptures are actualy about not being of a "man structure " "churchy thing"
but of God Himself.
Or
Maybe you have a Smart ass of an algorithm... lol. One that Likes to see Man pit against Man with its lables.
❤
Peace Out!
Oh dear, how does UA-cam dare to take you out of your bubble 😂. Maybe it isn’t a coincidence at all and someone out there was thinking about you. To learn about other people’s faith is surely a good thing. Truth is not something that is handed to us on a silver platter but has to be searched diligently. Scriptures claim that God is truth. Therefore, if this claim is true, searching truth will lead to God. Scripture encourages debate. Iron sharpens iron. Arguing in a constructive way about issues of faith is a great way to get closer to the truth. As a believer in God I pray that you might find Him. Be blessed and keep on searching.
Jesus is after your heart, my friend!
RLS
YT categorizes things very generally - it probably noticed you are interested in religion & slotted the short into your feed as a result. You can set your preferences to show you less religious vids, but downside is it might not show you vids that you are interested in. I've noticed if I just ignore vids I'm not interested in, they eventually go away.
Is there not anyone that can Hear and understand... Or do you ALL think The Word of GOD is heresy... Let's see what The Messiah said... "...Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God..." You must do some real soul searching to come to The right Answer... Here is a hint from The Words of GOD, be sure to Read and Understand very carefully... "...Jer 12:14 Thus saith the LORD against all mine evil neighbours, that touch the inheritance which I have caused my people Israel to inherit; Behold, I will pluck them out of their land, and pluck out the house of Judah from among them.
Jer 12:15 And it shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return, and have compassion on them, and will bring them again, every man to his heritage, and every man to his land.
Jer 12:16 And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of my people, to swear by my name, The LORD liveth; as they taught my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of my people.
Jer 12:17 But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD..."
Hi, JBT! The first sentence of your comment is exactly what I was talking about in this video- the idea that you have discovered some hidden knowledge that we can't see or understand. Wasn't sure if you noticed that or not.
Shalom, RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots That is not true... ALL that I said is written in your Bible... But you are blinded to it, you have been given "The Delusion" because you have No Love for The Words of GOD (Truth)... "...Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth..." "...2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness..."
@@j1mbobtech "Judah" "Israel" "their land" is clearly not talking to YOU, or ME (unless you're Jewish). There is NO "hidden knowledge." Anyone with an 8th-grade reading level can read the Old Testament & see who it's addressed to.
Knowledge can be hidden in plain sight, for instance take Deut 14:21 "Ye shall not eat of any thing that dieth of itself", now I believe that most know the difference between ceremonially unclean and just plain unclean, but somehow the dietary laws got read into that scripture as being ritual, I have a Question then:
In that scripture, if the dietary laws were only to separate Israel from other nations, was it okay to eat pig as long as it didn't die of itself?
WHO WERE THE FIRST ONES CALL CHRISTIANS ? THE APOSTLES , WHO ARE ISRAELITES ( ACTS 11:25-26 ) . THE GENTILES ARE NOT UNDER THE LAWS OF THE FATHER , BUT CHRIST ; WHICH ARE THE SAME LAWS .
I find it very ironic that what you say about this hidden knowledge, Christians are the biggest ones of believing that they have a hidden knowledge that nobody else has, specifically the Nicene creed
Aren’t you a Christian?
What is your theological objection to the Nicene Creed, and why do you consider it hidden knowledge?
100% black eyes, Nice, where did you get them totally black pupils with no color in them at all?
I can see brown eyes very clearly.
Perhaps get a better phone?
Please keep hateful Christ away from me
You're safe, Mike! There is no such thing as a hateful Christ.
RLS
Stupid mind set…
Holding up the Torah is of course not hidden knowledge but something that was taught for over three thousand years. John the Baptist held up the Torah by preaching repentance, which really means a return to follow the Torah.
Because Israel was backslidden again and came under Roman occupation,he along with many others believed that only a king out of the lineage of David could deliver Israel from the Roman occupation. There hasn’t been a Dravidic king for a long time and the Hasmonean rulership did not re-establish the promised kingdom of peace but was flawed with corruption and in-fighting.
Still Israel hoped for the sons of Miriam, the last direct descendant of the royal Hasmonean household, King Herod’s second wife, to inherit the throne of David. When they were murdered by Herod (yes, Herod killed children, his own two sons), Israel was in shock. The expression in Matthew quoting a verse about a voice in Rama , Rachel crying for her children, was somehow expressing this pain Israel felt for their hopes being dashed.
This murder happened exactly around the time where Matthew speaks about the killing of little children. Herod never killed children, even though he was a sadistic and cruel leader, but he killed his own children of Miriam who were the heirs to the throne.
After this murder of his own sons. John the Baptiser along with others came on the scene to preach repentance because only when Israel repents can God’s kingdom be established.
Later Jesus came on the scene and preached the same message. Israel however didn’t repent and instead was exiled. Jesus, who came to be seen as their next hope, a king out of the lineage of David, was instead betrayed and executed by the Romans.
Yet in the teachings of Jesus many Jews took comfort that one day he would rise again and do all those things promised in the scriptures. They remained Jews but followed a path of holiness by strictly following the Torah. They believed that they received a new heart through faith in Jesus resurrection and that by following his teachings the kingdom of God will be established on earth.
Torah keeping was not just a ritualistic thing that they felt was hypocritical but it became a matter of the heart. Only those who are born again are capable to keep the Torah not as a thing of duty, but out of love for the one and only God, Hashem.
For gentiles the way also was open to God. If gentiles believe that Jesus is the promised messiah, and they choose to obey him as their king and saviour, they will also be resurrected at the day of judgement and participate in the kingdom of God.
Yet unfortunately the Jewish Jesus has later been replaced with a pagan version that was more close to the sensibilities of a gentile world that was used to men as gods born of a virgin and to be worshipped. The justified kingly worship of Jesus as messiah was replaced with deifying him and making him part of a triune being. This has nothing anymore to du with the real Jesus.
Because Jews rejected this idea of Jesus as the Torah clearly forbids the worship of any man as God they became villainised and have been persecuted by Christians ever since. They became known as the murderers of God and that therefore God rejected them.
Till today this slur is used against the Jews and the hatred against them is growing again. They are the suffering servant, starting with Jesus as their king, who the Romans murdered, not the Jews. They don’t recognise him as their king, because of the veil that is over the nations, which has blinded every man to the truth. Because of the false doctrine that a man can be God, the Jews can’t see that Jesus is indeed the Messiah and the Christians can’t see they worship a false idea about who Jesus truly is. Both have to repent.
It's NOT Hidden knowlage, it's Hidden for Fleshly peoples...
what kind of drugs are you on. asking for a friend? TIA
Of course the Torah is not hidden knowledge, RL. It's a beautiful and fundamental part of the Christian faith. What Torah-keepers cherish as "hidden knowledge" is the mistaken idea that followers of Jesus are required to keep the old covenant law. This is the heresy that has been seen and rejected by the church since the first century.
Shalom, RL
You intrepretation of repentance is not correct. And the Jews rejected Jesus as the Son of God and still does today. Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has made made that same Jesus, whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Israel as nation killed their Messiah.
And pagans never worshipped Jesus of the bible. So therefore we dont worship a pagan Jesus. The anonamous one who teaches you that, is a false teacher.
Thats what I said. They speak as if they are Enlightened.
Is this the same heresy that the early church taught, that we must have nothing to with these Jews who killed Christ?
XXX
Rob,
There's nothing hidden about it:
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. (1John 5:2,3)
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (1John 3:4)
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. (1 Cor 15:56)
....and many more.
Shalom
You don't have knowledge about the Bible