The Most Unsettling Science and Science Fiction Ideas with Isaac Arthur

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  • @KuraKekoa
    @KuraKekoa Рік тому +207

    I lost my dad two months ago to a motorcycle accident. We lived far apart but we’d constantly share podcasts and UA-cam videos about space exploration and sci fi together.
    Both of you have been a huge part of that. Thank you for the content you guys produce. It means more than you might realize. ❤

    • @EventHorizonShow
      @EventHorizonShow  Рік тому +43

      So sorry for your loss.

    • @mikelfunderburk5912
      @mikelfunderburk5912 Рік тому +16

      Sorry for your loss. I ride a motorcycle and my daughter worries

    • @DAYBROK3
      @DAYBROK3 Рік тому +5

      🫂🫂

    • @akaROOSTA
      @akaROOSTA Рік тому +3

      Dangggg kaonium...
      so sorry for your loss...
      😢
      Me and my pops are separated by distance too and it has for a very long time now.. just like your pops and yourself with loving the topic and sharing podcasts and whatnot, we have been doing the same thing and we both love it! So I can entirely relate. He also loves motorcycles (dirt bikes to be exact😊) i recently kinda pulled away from talking to him because of his drinking but after reading your post here I’m going to reach back out.
      Thank you for your post and I hope time heals all your wounds.
      Sending love and peace to your heart and to your family’s

    • @KuraKekoa
      @KuraKekoa Рік тому +2

      @@akaROOSTA You really should. Whatever challenges you have had, it’s so worth letting those go. Take the opportunity while you have it. Much love for you and your pops ❤️

  • @WhisperingDeath
    @WhisperingDeath Рік тому +271

    Isaac + JMG is futurism UA-cam's The Avengers.

  • @lyledal
    @lyledal Рік тому +5

    I don't think they'd throw you out the airlock when you died. You'd get composted and recycled.

    • @HrHaakon
      @HrHaakon 6 місяців тому

      “It is every citizen's final duty to go into the tanks and become one with all the people.„
      ~ Chairman Sheng-ji Yang,
      "Ethics for Tomorrow"
      SMAC is one of the best horror games ever made.

  • @AzeAlter
    @AzeAlter Рік тому +33

    You bring such an EPIC show to the podcast world. Thank you so much. What an awesome collab.

    • @JohnSagin-SimViDeLucis579
      @JohnSagin-SimViDeLucis579 Рік тому +1

      I love that they talked about the zombie apocalypse, they should try playin Project Zomboid

  • @mawnkey
    @mawnkey Рік тому +12

    Michael Crichton couldn't seem to write an ending worth a damn in the vast majority of his books... but _Sphere_ had one of the best sci-fi horror endings I think I've ever read. Highly recommend it to anybody looking for a good read.

    • @PwncakeOW
      @PwncakeOW Рік тому +3

      Sphere was one of my favorite novels of his and one of my fav books in general. Good call. I wonder how it is on audiobook.

  • @gomahklawm4446
    @gomahklawm4446 Рік тому +10

    I could listen to you two together all day. Literally my favorite thing on UA-cam. Best wishes to both of you.

  • @pbzeppelin6167
    @pbzeppelin6167 7 місяців тому +1

    The bit about staying awake and occupied on a long-term asteroid spaceship trip around 17:00 reminded me of Hugh Jackman's character in "The Fountain" where he's flying through space in his little bubble with his Tree of Life, eating bits of it for immortality and living as a kind of Buddhist monk doing Tai Chi and meditating for centuries while he waits for his arrival at the Xibalba nebula. Always loved that film.
    Also, what if humanity is currently in a cryosleep right now heading to a new world, and this life we have right now is a dream simulation of living on our old planet with all its major social, economic and environmental issues, the point being to have some fresh insights before we wake up to our new homeworld? Would be nice, maybe.

  • @AnthonyGiallourakis
    @AnthonyGiallourakis Рік тому +30

    This is exactly the kind of science/science fiction blend that appeals to a very wide audience hungry for the best of both. The seasonal twist is sauce for the goose 🖖

  • @HomeofdaBONE
    @HomeofdaBONE Рік тому +5

    Cixin Liu's Trilogy, "Three-body Problem", "The Dark Forest", and "Death's End" are a must read.

    • @Codysdab
      @Codysdab Рік тому +2

      The whole dimension change to 2d was for some reason one of the most frightening ideas I've encountered as a way to go.

  • @happyhammer1
    @happyhammer1 Рік тому +16

    The Thing is the best horror sci-fi movie in my humble opinion.

  • @seanmchugh2866
    @seanmchugh2866 10 місяців тому +1

    55:00 that's an interesting idea Jean-Luc

  • @sickSNIPE316
    @sickSNIPE316 Рік тому +3

    I think we'll get gravity manipulation tech before we have space elevators, rendering them obsolete.

  • @the_primal_instinct
    @the_primal_instinct Рік тому +2

    Space elevator won't be possible unless you take care of space junk

  • @stricknine6130
    @stricknine6130 Рік тому +8

    One of my favorite guests. Thanks!

  • @sookendestroy1
    @sookendestroy1 Рік тому +1

    Man it's kinda comforting to know that isaac and JMG are also futurist tech luddites who keep the eldritch entity known as pad and paper nearby at all times.

  • @Kaget0ra
    @Kaget0ra Рік тому +1

    I love it when my subscriptions intersect.

  • @MrWompz
    @MrWompz Рік тому +2

    Love seeing a cross between Isaac Arthur and John Michael Godier.

  • @Alex-ip1dn
    @Alex-ip1dn Рік тому +3

    I love when you guys reference Mass Effect or sci fi in video games. Its super relatable!

  • @youaremopped
    @youaremopped Рік тому +15

    My favorite guest 👍

    • @vapormissile
      @vapormissile Рік тому +3

      These guys are part of the Bridge Crew of my dream colony ship.

  • @SirAntoniousBlock
    @SirAntoniousBlock Рік тому +1

    As creatures we evolved in an environment of challenge and struggle, a utopian heaven would bore us.

  • @the_primal_instinct
    @the_primal_instinct Рік тому +2

    41:00
    Imagine an intergalactic space war run by AI-governed civilizations fighting over a proper way to maximize paperclips

  • @ClannCholmain
    @ClannCholmain Рік тому +18

    Irishman Sam Neill was amazing in Event Horizon.
    Greetings from the west coast of Ireland 🇮🇪

    • @EventHorizonShow
      @EventHorizonShow  Рік тому +3

      Greetings!

    • @miinyoo
      @miinyoo Рік тому +2

      Sam Neill is my favorite male actor. Guy is great in everything he does.

  • @londonsheraton1
    @londonsheraton1 Рік тому +1

    I loved The Color Out Of Space, i thought it was a really good modern adaptation of a Lovecraft story that freaked me out as a teenager.

  • @chrisk1208
    @chrisk1208 Рік тому +4

    I really liked Space: above and beyond. Very underrated show. The Chigs were really obscure.

    • @aaronthompson192
      @aaronthompson192 Рік тому

      That episode where the guy and the Chig crash land and spend the whole time hunting each other...no dialogue. That show was unique.

  • @tanguero2k7
    @tanguero2k7 Рік тому +1

    Thank you both for taking the time to get together and sharing your ideas with us. It's always awesome!

  • @robynsnest8668
    @robynsnest8668 Рік тому +11

    I imagine this is what Asimov and Verne with Lovecraft chiming in all doing a podcast would sound like. You guys are great.

  • @Laenthal
    @Laenthal Рік тому +1

    Golovachev had this horror-like concept of a distant bright future but with the very fabric of the universe going wrong, making the initial manifests of it doing all kinds of solar-system-wide catastrophes hinting at the actual scale of looming doom. He invented some sy-fy tech in those books not seen anywhere since btw.

  • @j.f.fisher5318
    @j.f.fisher5318 Рік тому +1

    I feel like a space elevator would be a tube, basically a triangle of maybe graphene rolled so it's thickened at the top but the interior diameter is constant. It could be pretty tough against anything but a concerted attack. And multiple tubes could be clustered to give throughput in each direction, and different sizes for different types - like passengers and freight.

  • @johndonson1603
    @johndonson1603 Рік тому +1

    Quatermass and the pit , was a great sci-fi horror movie from the 60s.

  • @Bibibosh
    @Bibibosh Рік тому +3

    Did someone say SCOTT MANLY??
    DID SOMEONE SAY COLLABORATE WITH SCOTT MANLY?????

  • @MonkeySimius
    @MonkeySimius Рік тому +3

    The real aliens were the colonies we made along the way.

  • @carbon1479
    @carbon1479 Рік тому

    9:28 - with Peter Watts's Blindsight I felt like he was able to constantly feed the reader information and it stayed interesting just based on how many novel threads were evolving and (spoiler) he kept just enough back for there to be worthwhile surprises.

  • @MartinCHorowitz
    @MartinCHorowitz Рік тому +2

    Since I spent Thursday talking with Kip Thorne, this is only the 2nd best Science/Sci Fi discussion for me this week.

    • @EventHorizonShow
      @EventHorizonShow  Рік тому

      That sounds like a great time. How is Kip?

    • @MartinCHorowitz
      @MartinCHorowitz Рік тому +1

      @@EventHorizonShow Doing well, Still has his wits and sense of humor. He was invited to talk about his work on Oppenheimer, and LIGO, we both sponsor the event which promotes Proper portrayal of science in Movies and TV, and the video should be posted soon. I had a nice private chat with him after his Q&A. Many people forget that Oppenheimer did a lot of work on Black Hole formation before the A-Bomb and he was one of Kip's mentors.

  • @BitcoinMeister
    @BitcoinMeister Рік тому +1

    I watched the movie "Event Horizon" on TV as an adult with other adult friends and I must warn all of you: IT IS VERY SCARY!

  • @TimStewart-xt2ji
    @TimStewart-xt2ji 9 місяців тому

    I love listening to Event Horizon. These guys have superhuman imaginations and they talk about things that haven't been proven yet, but have to be real because of high probability, and scientific evidence. Some of these podcasts have left me absolutely mind blown.

  • @dongiovanni4331
    @dongiovanni4331 Рік тому +5

    Arthursday and Isaac Arthur with JMG on my birthday.
    Thanks

  • @bluntedsuspect4615
    @bluntedsuspect4615 Рік тому +4

    I started reading Iaian Banks 'culture' series a few months ago. Really interesting to speculate about the integration of A.G.I. into a society and the sociological integration of a sentient creation. I'm not sure if the series explores a more blatant dystopian potential or realization associated with A.G.I (I'm only on book 5, 'excession' ). Excession seems to water the seeds planted in some of the previous books that the minds have an agenda that the culture is willfully or otherwise unaware of. I droned on, but I had to delete because I don't want to start throwing out spoilers. Great series of novels nonetheless. I'm interested to know what John's and Isaac's impressions are of this series...

  • @PoppabearsCave
    @PoppabearsCave Рік тому +4

    Scariest movie i ever saw is Idiocracy

  • @EnneaIsInterested
    @EnneaIsInterested Рік тому +1

    You don't make a space elevator because you want the cheapest orbital access - After all, launch loops and orbital ring systems are way cheaper. No, you do it because you can DANGLE a whole city-scale space habitat on the other end, that means your counterweight is also a major location with millions of people living there. Even if it's low-throughput, the one tether invites more tethers, since it's a major location anyway.

  • @rodfaragini7110
    @rodfaragini7110 3 місяці тому

    Really enjoyed this discussion guys. Lots to think about as i head to bed

  • @smoore6461
    @smoore6461 Рік тому +2

    I think the book Snowcrash deals with nanite swarms and other swarms that deal with those swarms and more swarms to deal with those and on and on. I always found that interesting along with ICE and Black ICE from william Gibsons sprawl series. Those are two of my favorite science Fuction "tropes"? I guess they could be called now. I just found ICE and Black ICE very conpleling since i grew up working with computers and at internet based companies.

  • @entropicflux8849
    @entropicflux8849 Рік тому

    this is the team-up i was waiting for

  • @bergatrollet9116
    @bergatrollet9116 Рік тому +1

    I really enjoyed this talk, and I would love to get more.

  • @derekburge5294
    @derekburge5294 Рік тому +2

    Hyperscience, nanomachines, advanced cyrogenics: now we can conquer the stars and crawlonize the galaxy!
    JMG: Finally, the uber nap!

  • @Pinkfongfan24
    @Pinkfongfan24 Рік тому +19

    My absolute two favorite people on all of UA-cam. They should do a channel together! ❤❤❤

  • @glorymanheretosleep
    @glorymanheretosleep Рік тому +24

    "I am Legend" is one of the best books ever written! When I first read it, I cried at how good it was and how bad the movie was. Honestly, I had been lied to when they said the movie was better than the book. Totally wrong.

    • @spidalack
      @spidalack Рік тому +5

      I am legend is one of the best examples of "opposites ends of the spectrum" in term of how good they are.

    • @brick6347
      @brick6347 Рік тому +2

      Depends on the movie! "The Last Man on Earth" is a great film, and "the Omega Man" isn't bad either. The 2007 version had it's moments, Will Smith was good, he's quite charismatic; The scenes of deserted NYC were eerie... but yeah, the rest was terrible.

    • @darthukas
      @darthukas Рік тому +1

      I've read the book when I was 14 and then saw the movie some time later, thought it was one of the scariest movies ever. Just the concept of the story freaks me the fuck out.

    • @glorymanheretosleep
      @glorymanheretosleep Рік тому

      It's also they didn't stick to the book material. Not zombies, but vampires. And it could have worked as zombies, had they stuck to the material. The alternative ending to the film was much better than the theatrical ending.@@brick6347

    • @happyhammer1
      @happyhammer1 Рік тому +1

      I like Omega Man but it's not a good adaptation of the book.

  • @martinwulf8253
    @martinwulf8253 Рік тому +1

    My two favourite UA-camrs together again, what a wonderful day.

  • @user-nw2si7hu3u
    @user-nw2si7hu3u Рік тому +1

    Event Horizon + Isaac Arthur wow ❤ together you can rule the galaxy

  • @mattdavis822
    @mattdavis822 11 місяців тому

    Thank you for the channel🎄 and merry Christmas to all

  • @ogungou9
    @ogungou9 Рік тому +4

    AHAH, Event Horizon, the movie ...

  • @MikeJones-yo8en
    @MikeJones-yo8en Рік тому +4

    My favorite UA-cam duo!!! Love you guys! ❤❤❤

  • @benrichards1694
    @benrichards1694 Рік тому +6

    Oh my god, it finally happened. The two best UA-camrs have united!

    • @EventHorizonShow
      @EventHorizonShow  Рік тому +5

      It’s happened many times!

    • @benrichards1694
      @benrichards1694 Рік тому +2

      @EventHorizonShow It has?! I'm newer to the show. I guess I'll be looking at episodes past!

    • @Alex-ip1dn
      @Alex-ip1dn Рік тому

      ​@@benrichards1694you're in for a treat ❤️

  • @PwncakeOW
    @PwncakeOW Рік тому

    What a great podcast. I found you via isaac years ago on your other channel sir John. So nice too see the both of you together considering yall are my fav creators ❤

  • @MARILYNANDERSON88
    @MARILYNANDERSON88 7 місяців тому

    Charming enjoyable conversation that perks fantasies of event horizons for astronomy and mystery lovers

  • @Dan-dy8zp
    @Dan-dy8zp Рік тому

    So much for "Live forever or die trying."

  • @spidalack
    @spidalack Рік тому +1

    At the end of a day of mondain boring work, getting something not only from Event Horizon, not only from Isaac Arthur, but BOTH TOGETHER? Did I die and go to heaven?

  • @JacobSTucker
    @JacobSTucker Рік тому +3

    I don’t think it matters how long a video with Isaac Arthur is-it’ll just never be enough. Nothing but love for your channel, John, and yours too, Isaac!

  • @micky8ball
    @micky8ball Рік тому +3

    This is so wholesome. Crack open a cold one and just chill and talk with the guys. Great segment.

  • @Kale-Sims
    @Kale-Sims Рік тому +1

    A trip around the universe and some philosophy about it. Thank you both! 👁

  • @DeepakKumar-tv1dc
    @DeepakKumar-tv1dc Рік тому

    Been waiting for this for a long time , thank you!

  • @ryanw2774
    @ryanw2774 5 місяців тому

    I’ve thought about being put in a sleep state - but I was recently put in a drug induced sleep/coma in the hospital for 2 months. It took me many weeks to learn how to walk again and almost all my muscles in my legs I lost, all over really. I can’t imagine a year or longer. I had no idea 2 months had passed, I really thought it was the next morning, the dreams I remember were out of this world, of course I’m sure the drugs had something to do with them.

  • @animistchannel
    @animistchannel Рік тому +1

    Spooky future stories for the spooky season. Thanks to you both for keeping the world's imagination that much more open to the possibilities.

  • @sid2112
    @sid2112 8 місяців тому

    Godier and Arthur in a show? My God! The singularity has happened again!

  • @davidbolton8282
    @davidbolton8282 11 місяців тому

    I can never look at paper clips the same way ever again.

  • @About20Ninjas
    @About20Ninjas Рік тому +1

    I am gushing over this episode ahhh

  • @Zane1414
    @Zane1414 Рік тому +1

    Lifeforce from 1985 with Patrick Stewart could be worth watching. It has astronauts, aliens and zombies!

  • @youaremopped
    @youaremopped Рік тому +2

    Is the Opossum available for an interview? 😄

  • @st3venseagal248
    @st3venseagal248 Рік тому

    My biggest futurism hope is a John and Issac joint podcast.

  • @Edward-om8mz
    @Edward-om8mz Рік тому +2

    Please don't let be another year before you meet again. GREAT EPISODE 😊

  • @thefinelement
    @thefinelement Рік тому

    Iaian Banks' Culture civilization would be an awesome place to live.

  • @brianp6682
    @brianp6682 Рік тому +2

    Revealing the villain or how the sausage is made is not the problem with writing horror. The key to horror is that what people find horrifying is claustrophobia. Create scenes in tight spaces and close combat.

  • @jonnypariah1
    @jonnypariah1 11 місяців тому

    Pathetically excited at getting a 40k reference ... The Event Horizon DEFINITELY dropped into the Warp and met the Gods of Chaos :P

  • @keirangrant1607
    @keirangrant1607 11 місяців тому

    Holy snikes!!! Two of my favorite content creators teaming up for a video! Awesome!
    Isaac I'm with you. I spent 14 months in Iraq with a Marine Division, and boring is 100%, absolutely fine by me. I'm a trader too, and trading is 90% boredom/patience. I dont need anymore excitement in my life.

  • @reporeport
    @reporeport Рік тому

    YESSSSS i love you guys together

  • @sodiorne2
    @sodiorne2 Рік тому

    This was GREAT! Please do Again!

  • @Sybil_Detard
    @Sybil_Detard Рік тому

    14:27 :) I am listening this while playing Civilization III during a period of insomnia.

  • @dc9856
    @dc9856 Рік тому

    As kids If we mentioned being bored my mother always said only boring people get bored. Stuck with me to this day

  • @freeloaderinmiyazaki
    @freeloaderinmiyazaki Рік тому +1

    Event Horizon! Yes! And In the Mouth of Madness is another great!
    My favorite horror movies are Alien and Jaws. Perfect 10/10

  • @OnePieceWonPeace
    @OnePieceWonPeace Рік тому

    7:08 "You gotta get a nice fence" 😂😂😂

  • @lindenstromberg6859
    @lindenstromberg6859 Рік тому +1

    Childhood’s End by Arthur C Clarke gave me nightmares for like a month after I read it as a young teenager (like 11 or 12). My mom thought it’d be a good book for a kid 😞

    • @MarvinMonroe
      @MarvinMonroe 7 місяців тому

      She was perfectly right. Children need to get into sci Fi at the earliest age possible. 10-12 is ideal, they should be reading at an adult level by then

    • @lindenstromberg6859
      @lindenstromberg6859 7 місяців тому +1

      @@MarvinMonroe Haha, agreed completely. I don't regret reading it for an instant. It had one of the most profound impacts on my life of any book ever, I still think about it to this days, literally decades later.

  • @Kevin_Kyle
    @Kevin_Kyle Рік тому

    Great show.....I will listen again soon.

  • @ze_kangz932
    @ze_kangz932 Місяць тому +1

    The youtube futurism avengers!

  • @cykkm
    @cykkm Рік тому +3

    59:34 John: “we are zombies” - This froze my brain for 5 minutes. :-) If a zombie could reflect and recognise that it were a zombie, then he wouldn't be a zombie, but then he wouldn't truthfully say “I'm a zombie...“ “We are zombies“ “every one of _us_ is a zombie” is vacuously true only if “us” refers to an empty set, otherwise leads to the same paradox. 🤯 “This statement is false.“ I'm reminded of the famous quine without deictic self-assertions of truth value, which is even more puzzling: “ ‘yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation’ yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation.” :-) (FWIW, this is a profound one, it's structurally a Gödelian statement.)

    • @stevelenores5637
      @stevelenores5637 Рік тому +1

      The world is full of zombies. Everyone who has memes for thoughts are zombies. Like Zombies these memes eat human brains and infect those whom repeat the same memes.

    • @cykkm
      @cykkm Рік тому +1

      @@stevelenores5637Indeed. But was the human condition qualitatively different 10, 100, 1000, 10000 years ago? I don't believe, of course, in the Golden Age, when everyone was either a philosopher or a poet. I think that we grieve that everyone _could be,_ but has everyone ever truly been? There were dark ages and enlightened ages; what, however, wasn't but is, is that we as if require of the common people what was required chiefly of the elites. The idea of equality _in human rights_ is, don't get me wrong, a great one, that which defined our age, but stretching it to equality in, for one, striving to better oneself by education is, methinks, is overstretching it. Some do, some don't. Some think, some meme. I think we're much better off overall: bright people are no longer denied opportunities by their social standing, by caste, by birth. We have a lower ratio of opportunities realized to opportunities afforded to lament, and more opportunities realized to praise. The glass is half-empty and half-full.

  • @NextLevelCode
    @NextLevelCode Рік тому +1

    Have either of you acutely tried extended time in VR?

  • @kayakMike1000
    @kayakMike1000 Рік тому

    That movie _Event Horizon_ is a great fable in disguise. You can go ANYWHERE in the universe if you're willing to go through hell to get there.
    Libera te tutemet ex inferis

  • @TheAmericanAmerican
    @TheAmericanAmerican Рік тому +5

    This episode was great! Like just hanging out with the guys, drinking beer, and talking all-things sci-fi 😁

  • @spearshome0329
    @spearshome0329 Рік тому +2

    My two favorite UA-camrs talking to each other - epic!

  • @nickjohnson410
    @nickjohnson410 10 місяців тому

    16:20
    When you don't survive the generation ship journey because you ate too much banana pudding at the going away party.

  • @sbschamp10
    @sbschamp10 9 місяців тому +1

    All tomorrows…

  • @Generouslife153
    @Generouslife153 11 місяців тому

    Please do a video about escapism problems that arrive with future technology. * wakes up in 2080 “ this sucks” * Goes back to cryo-sleep “ wakes up in 3150 “ this sucks go back to sleep”

  • @DominicRyanOsborne
    @DominicRyanOsborne Рік тому +1

    An excellent question because many zombies movies to make a point of showing that a large portion of survivors wouldn't want to be inconvenienced by a full apocalypse. Covid though may have proved that our baser instincts aren't far from the surface if they are hidden at all. By day 3, or week 3, zombies will be the new normal and we'll find ways to exploit or subjugate them.

    • @andyf4292
      @andyf4292 Рік тому

      just wait for the first frost... or a spell of hot weather.. zombies go splat

  • @dragonsnail3298
    @dragonsnail3298 Рік тому

    Wow Isaac. Good job on the voice traing my man!😊

  • @noahway13
    @noahway13 Рік тому

    A hanging tether would be secured to the ground somehow, so it would push up, also.

  • @lukebm5555
    @lukebm5555 Рік тому

    The intermission was great 😊

  • @ryang.5094
    @ryang.5094 Рік тому

    Yes!!!🙌 fantastic episode

  • @Titus-as-the-Roman
    @Titus-as-the-Roman Рік тому

    For a long time I would wake from bad dreams, some self destructive in nature, till today when I rarely have "Good" dreams anymore, But, they're not necessarily bad, just enough to disturb when I realize I'm doing all of this to Myself, then I start feeling a little foolish. Why do bad dreams disturb us so much when it's our own Brain that conjuring these images.

  • @HebaruSan
    @HebaruSan Рік тому

    I'm more worried about getting "bored" staying here on Earth!

  • @sid2112
    @sid2112 8 місяців тому

    John, don't worry about it. You can come stay at my compound, you and your kin. Minds like yours must be protected. You let me handle the warlord of the wastes aspect, you keep looking at the stars.

  • @mscir
    @mscir Рік тому +2

    What is the appeal of zombies? I don't get that. Undead whatever seems so stupid and meaningless.

    • @hellfiresiayan
      @hellfiresiayan Рік тому +1

      An apocalypse that's just apocalyptic enough to break society but not so apocalyptic that your chance of survival is zero.

    • @mscir
      @mscir Рік тому

      @@hellfiresiayan Thanks for explaining. That looks like it's coming now that you mention it.

  • @willc1294
    @willc1294 Рік тому

    Glad to know someone else still plays Civ 4 😆