50/50 is never gonna be that way. Women want special treatment like not pumping the gas, taking out the trash all while saying I'm not gonna cook or respect you as a man because I work too. Even if you provide them with the traditional lifestyle they will still have the same attitude and add on that you help with her half. Their deal is so one sided that its just insulting.
@R.O.T.C._SEEM Taking out the trash takes all of 30 seconds...pumping gas takes 3 minutes MAX...stop acting like yall are doing herculean tasks here lol
@@SunShine-vo9uywhat's statistics show that black women earn less than black men in America today y'all just want everybody to be a millionaire everybody can't have a millionaire just like everybody can't have it Beyonce
Fifty years later, unfortunately, the conversation is the same. Therefore, the Black Man has no other alternative other than to move on. These women just don’t get it man!….They just don’t get it!
This is yet another very interesting clip and it just opens up all kinds of avenues of thought and things that are hard to discuss but I am grateful for all of the work that people like you have done that have enabled me to study all of this. It is truly a gift to people like me whose whole lives have been but a quest for truth and reason.
Yes, Mr. Hoffman this vital film makes so much sense now (today) world. This wasn't talked about growing up as a young child. Now in my forties I can see how the husband role is express without a negative conflict in relationship. I had the slightest clue on the subject, just empty advice. My grandparents stayed married and it was always to the end. They kept the family unit together and no excuses. I grew up with strong values and we had to play outside when grown-ups talked. Now I know the subjects.
What's left out of the conversation is the effect of political policies that have effected the black family. Redlining, block busting, debt peonage, drugs being brought in, schools and communities being destroyed and under funded, economic infrastructure being dismantled, mass incarceration, economic depravation, mental health being unaddressed, inadequate housing, striving for white acceptance, and so much more. I think in the modern era you can look back using this Internet and see what happened but only a few of us will address it in this context.
The main problem, people want to yell from emotion without actually looking at any history, or getting adequate focus on the big picture. The country wants the black man eliminated...period.
"drugs being brought in" And they magically sell themselves & force their users with this same magic. "mass incarceration" because most were innocent right? "striving for white acceptance" as you call whites supremacists, racists & slavers all your life. That's one way to strive...lol
Holy fuck a person with a brain. I’m tired of the vocal minority of my people acting like a bunch of morons for White entertainment, while completely ignoring the very real systems that forced us to spew vitriol at the other party from the very beginning; all while neither party are at fault for any of this. Respectability politics, seeking White acceptance and the desperation for upward mobility are ALL creations of White supremacy perpetuated by Black against each other since the beginning. When Black people finally realize that it’s okay to blame and hold accountable the White collective for their contributions to our never-ending suffering, then we’ll see progress.
This is a very interesting topic that could be discuss in today society. as I was watching this the television show "Julia" staring Diahann Carrol who played a nurse and a widowed single mother raising her son it ran from 1968 to 71 It is notable for being the first weekly series to star an African American woman in a non-stereotypical role. Previous television series featured African American lead characters, but the characters were usually servants. thanks for this one David Hoffman.
Change the clothes and the video quality and this could’ve been a stream from yesterday. I think 100 years from now they’ll see all these youtube videos from today and the conversation will still be the exact same
Really? Black women have been saying for decades that they are strong and independent, but they are struggling. In fact, black men do NOT need black women. Black men can go somewhere else and find a woman that is willing to fall in line.
A scene that cements the epitome of "you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't." (especially being able to view this from a directly connected "future".)
It’s funny how this was 1970 yet these are the same women who created these “boss chicks/masculine women” and these feminine men. And now the year is 2023 and it’s really the same conversations happening today rather or be in the home or on podcast (social media). 🙄😩🤷🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ we’ve gotten no where
The main reason that we haven't gotten anywhere is because these types of discussions are cherry picked to perpetuate confusion and division. Men and women pointing fingers at each other and blaming each other. But no one ever asks "why"? Why is this happening, what's the cause of all of this and what's the end result going to be? The people who do ask those questions are never put on TV.
@@renzo7503 well if we think about this and this is just my opinion on this. But really the divide started to happen when women decided to accept section 8 housing and food stamps. And then of course came the higher education for women. Which formed this type of mentality that they didn’t “need a man” for anything. And it’s just got passed down from one generation to the next. And of course let’s factor in the drugs that were dropped off in “black neighborhoods” that were once thriving before the divide. Again that’s just my opinion.
@@renzo7503 also the men that the women were choosing to lay down with to have these kids. Not letting the men be men. It’s just really a damn mess. A mess I don’t think we will be able to clean up honestly.
@@HIWWPI_2024 I agree with you 100%. Everything you mentioned was put in place by the government. I've yet to see a nationally syndicated talk show with black men and women discussing the origins and affects of those programs. No one ever asks what will the result be of financially and educationally incentivizing the women while leaving the men out in the cold. All of these things are war tactics and I'm not being dramatic when I say that either. And no, we cannot clean this up because we are powerless in this country. We are at the mercy of tyrants and it will not end well for us.
@@renzo7503 😌 unfortunately you’re right it won’t end well for us. We definitely are powerless. It makes me upset, sad, definitely angry. The ish out black men and women have falling for. We once seemed like we stuck together a few generations ago. Some how the black family strayed and all these tactics like you say were thrown at us. Definitely a war tactic for sure. Our people are even killing each other and I know they love that. 🤦🏾♀️ I’ve recently been doing a lot of research because you know in school we aren’t taught are real hidden history. We have to dig it up on our own.
@@nickjones3860and all the bills are paid by black women who out-earn, out-graduate black men and are the most to open businesses. Keep smoking your weed and sitting on your ass😂😂😂
If black women speak their truth whether you agree or not ...society says they are bitter. If black woman wants to get a career....society says she's about to join the feminism rally and say "She doesn't need a man...she's a boss now. In Reality this sister is trying create a better life for herself & possible future family. If black women say they want a guy that has alot of money. She is condemned & called a gold digger. Also she is made to feel ashamed for wanting a guy to financially take care of her. Because their own people will say " See she thinks she's too good to marry a guy that has a regular job. But in reality black women been dating guys with no jobs, guys who get a job when they feel like it for years..Maybe the black woman is trying raise her standards and have a husband that has money and stability. Also, most black women have been the head of their household for years and raising the kids by herself. The reason for her becoming the head of household 98% of the time is by force. The black man (not talking about all black men) leaves her & go create kids in other households or has to get on welfare so she can survive & the rules for welfare back then (not sure about now)can't have a spouse living with you while on welfare. So the black woman in this situation has to create a masculine mentality in order to survive in this white man's society and take care of the kids. Now let's now analyze how the white woman is treated and judged differently in similar circumstances.. Now when white women speak their truth they are never called "bitter women" instead they have groups to help them.....Feminism & ME TOO Movement where the white woman is always classified as victims(doesn't if she's telling the truth or not. Her being a white woman alone in white society means she is the image of truth). If she has to lead her household, the white woman isn't looked at as aggressive...She looked as again the victim. If the white woman decides she only wants to date or marry a man with money....Nothing is said about her being a gold digger because her marrying a guy that has alot of money is considered normal in society.
The same society condemning you is the same society empowering you. Don't you get it? That's how you and others like you stay in your place. As long as the system keeps you in this ebb and flow of abuse. You'll pledge your allegiance for eternity. Until you stop. That's the battle. For many of us.
@@ScumDogMFhe is an insecure male bitter towards black women who figured out how to have success before the black man. Black men like this wish to be coddled for their terrible behavior (r kelly, jon majors…) and black women have had enough. Keep moving on. They will not see it but stay rooted in their ego like a venus fly trap, waiting for any gullible woman to fall for their religious manosphere rhetoric and turn them into a pickme/servant. A successful woman is seen as “out of order” and they will try to guilt u for being successful. And trust me, if u were to surrender your life and aspirations to them they WILL NOT protect u and barely provide for u in the way they claim to, in fact they will then blame u for wanting better or asking for anything. This is ABUSIVE behavior 101. Guilt. Isolation. Neglect. Blame. Dont fall for their foolish talk, keep moving. Love is out there, its a big world
@@richardbyfield1918 and men be forself more often than yall care to talk about....we have watched fathers walk away from there family and when a woman has to take of HERSELF and whatever child is left behind this is what yall do.....for herself smh are u fcking kidding me....the whole community has been in survival mode since before and after jim and reconstruction .....all of us need and have to wrk to take of OURSELVES BEFORE WE CAN TAKE CARE OF ANYONE ELSE ....i think yall forget that
I'm a black, married woman (41 years) who grew up in the 60s and I do not and cannot relate to this conversation. I believe it depends on those who were more apart of "the movement" as opposed to traditional family. I also know liberation was not just an issue btwn black man and black woman but white couples as well where the traditional white man was uncomfortable with the wife liberating herself to be equal and breakaway from society's standards of traditional family. However I must say that I don't deny that many black families were pulled apart from the day they were forced on this land so, that no doubt would cause complications for a black male who had to deal with immasculation, degradation and hate for centuries. Ms. Long Island
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and well rounded response. ❤ it’s refreshing seeing someone not resort to sexism and instead the internal struggles the individual will face/feel when dealing with societal change and progress.
The government had a plan in the 1950 to push more woman into the workforce. Unfortunately black woman are the cheese as well and like the white woman put careers over family. Nothing wrong with woman having careers, but the idea of “I can do it too” put a wedge between us instead of just simply joining to incomes and living well.
@Dee Mari *”I don’t deny that many black families were pulled apart from…”* What you’re denying is that there are a segment of women who are masculine, mean, unbearable to be around, bad attitudes, and or don’t know when to shut up. The change of the work environment and women gaining “equality” has given men, especially black men, their freedom. Men are no longer under environmental and social pressure to marry women that they can’t stand.
Wow so women were forced to work outside of the home, and do the majority of house work even back then. So there was never a time where this demographic of women and children were provided for and treated like the delicate sex. Heartbreaking
What?😂 nobody forced women to work outside of they’re home feminism made them do it women were provided for all the time they were taught what to expect from a man but we were never taught what to expect from a woman
@@gohanblack3355 With many men being abusive and not knowing God, it was a necessity back then if they also wanted to be financially able to escape that instead of being dependent on an abuser's support. The conflict in general between man and woman is a genrational curse (genesis 3:16) due to sin. Even if the women's rights movement didn't happen there would still be conflict between the genders.
Absolutely enriching and uplifting video and discussions. I just want to add, contrary to what the lady at the very end said, "stand up with strength and say I am proud, I am black", No, in the words of my father, completely detach yourself from such attachments like blackness, or whiteness, or this and that..., in fact, when every you catch yourself using the phrase "I'am" be extra cautious as to what to say next. Learn very deeply about who you are on all levels, for me for example, I hav always believed I am a spiritual being and never grounded myself on such fragile ideas like race, color, money, education or what have you. My brothers and sisters, or fathers and mothers, we are in fact the dearly, deeply, and endless beloved children's of GOD.
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker you deserve it more than other YT'ers that I won't mention by name. Your content is actually useful and valuable to society. Best of luck to you, Mr. Hoffman!
I’m glad I gave up on having a black husband been married to my Italian (WM) for 10yrs and have never been more stress free,loved,protected and respected .
It's really all about mutual respect and self love! That's what makes a strong and lasting relationship / marriage! But many men want to be the only one in charge making most or all of the decisions even when it's clear that their wife/woman is highly organized, extremely intelligent and has her finances in order! Too many men are intimidated by that and want her to keep her opinion to herself, leave her job or take a demotion and stick to household chores!🤯 They don't want a true helpmate, just a glorified servant! Thats what women are resistant to! And who wouldn't be?! Besides housewives who didn't even finish highschool have been left high and dry by husbands who just didn't want them and their family anymore! Certain men say you don't need an education or money to be with them but why do they get tired/bored of/by those women too! We, in romantic relationships need to treat each other as human beings that deserve to be respected and loved!
What does force look like will you not be prosecuted as criminals during or afterwards? That is a psycho mind, wanting to be forced just to behave properly.
If these people are still alive today, I would love to hear if they believe things have changed for the better in the decades since and, if so, how....
The system has designed it this way from the Family courts down. It's designed to tear families apart to fund prison industrial complex and other alphabet agencies that only survive with a revolving door of broken people
I have to REITERATE this, these are your GRANDPARENTS & GREAT GRANDPARENTS but THEY ARE MY PARENTS who raised me. So THINK DEEPLY on what I’m saying, they were trying to find their NITCH, coming out of desegregation WITHOUT LOSING the essence of who they were as a FAMILY & as MALE/FEMALE in a economy that for scores of years denied them the opportunity. This was CULTIVATED IN ALL THE SEEDS they were bringing into the WORLD. THEY ARE GONE NOW, and we are taking their place.
That’s the goal. It’s always been the strategy to have Black men and women in anger, hating and blaming each other rather than addressing the attacks flying in from the outside on both of them. This designed tactic never ever gets old.
If you are married and your husband does not pray at night and/or early morning before the sun come up; then that man will not be able to lead properly and cover the family as he should. Because everything that is in the physical realm first comes from the spirit realm. When men slept the enemy plants his seeds. And the bible says, we wrestle not against flesh and blood but demons. And if that man do not pray and fast then the house has been compromised. The man is the head of the family and if the head is not seeking God everyday; then the wife and children is in trouble. Men ought to always pray and not faint.
this is some sexist ish here.....this is why alot of women do not want to deal with men like this.....this is sad asf and i am soo glad 4B is making waves
Before the 1970's, how long did it take for this programming to take root, such deep roots. Since at least 1970, it only got worse, and is only gonna get worse with only one promise in sight, Death😮
I am in agreement with the man who said the family culture heritage history roles of the family members that has been hidden for more than 400 years should be practiced at home
I’m NOT giving my PERSONAL OPINION, I’ll will let you hear it for yourself. REMEMBER I was born September 25, 1972, so these would be MY PARENTS as they were COMING OUT OF DESEGREGATION .
Sometimes, it's so difficult to watch videos of past gender discussions, as you get a lot of tired sexist takes in the comments (mostly bots/trolls) that rather go back to a time with less rights out of some delusional idea it'll make their lives "better" with no regards for anyone else. Most of the only things, I want from history to affect today are fashions and higher taxes for the rich. sigh
So if women been feeling like this for so long, why do they raise their sons like that? Yall not teaching y'all boys how to be good men! Instead, yall reserve yall best selves for yall daughters and these podcast conversations. Why doesnt it translate in the house? So to me, TO ME, IT seems like women benefit from men NOT getting the message and not evolving
Francis at the end was not the man in that marriage. He got cut off so many times, he is more mild mannered. And they think it's a good idea to pull kids out of school to force them to only hear about a set of viewpoints that they deem is appropriate, which sounds like a bad idea. The black family was doomed because the white man's system exploited black women, turning them against the black man and keeping the whole race from being able to develop holistically. It's not anyone's fault, not the black men or women or even white people. The situation is what it is. Ultimately there likely won't be any positive improvement in the black community. Francis doesn't want to go out and be dominant in the workplace but black women don't mind.
This bs at some point you be responsible for your choices. My grandmother fought in the civil rights movement and said really this had been going on since 65’. BW knew what the “white man” was doing and they still drunk the kook-aid naw I anit going .
I’m a black woman. I don’t understand what black women are doing wrong. Black Women attend college to be able to take care of themselves and their children if she has any, and, if or when her husband dies or there is a divorce. All races of women attend college. What is the big problem with black women wanting to learn and contribute. Last, for black women to take a back seat and black men step forward….in what way? Black Women are not bossing black men. So, STOP.
It’s just an excuse for them to date interracially. We’re not doing anything wrong, we’re building our businesses, have our own money/education/homes…they are jealous of us…our intellect, our independence, our innovation, our standards, our courage and strength etc. they just want us to breed their babies so we can still have black males running to every other communities putting their resources in those communities.
The white man liked every Blk woman’s opinion that agreed with feminist mindset David Hoffman and the entire goofy idiots who support him can jump off a cliff
I appreciate all you do, David. I do however wish black Americans didn’t have such a history of broadcasting our internal discussions for others to consume. Certain things are just not everyone’s business.
What? This was on TV back then as a documentary? Or do you think this was shown just in the black people’s homes? Wow!!! I can’t believe some of the Bullshyt . But let this documentary showed black men in a bad light. Then you wouldn’t made such a comment…
@@turquoisepurple7sky151 Eve being Adams helpmate was not because of the consequences of her actions. Eve the woman is supposed to be the help mate of Adam from the very jump. And the higher power have given them instructions to anywhere in the garden except for the tree of knowledge. Eve disobey his order and at the same time deceived Adam into eating the forbidden fruit. The fruit of knowledge for BW was welfare, child support and government housing. All this in exchange of removing the BM out of the picture. I don't have to go to a chain series of events to explain what the results are. You can see if for yourself.
john jacob - Eve didn’t have to go find Adam to lead him. He was right there. (Genesis 3: 6) All Eve had to do was hand the fruit to him and he ate it, too.
Suffering!!! Worse decision ever. That was a horrible time in my life because the BM wanted to “Be The Boss!” His words. But he wouldn’t pay the cost to be. He was selfish, cowardly, miserly, DL😮, & chaotic. He turned life into a damn nightmare 😒🔥😱!!! He was a broke narcissistic con artist & an abuser!!! 🎉I survived & married a wonderful man ❤👨🏻❤ Life is now comfortable, peaceful & happy. 💆🏽♀️ 🎉
@@sandycheeks1580you a Chico that hate black men because we get picked for anything over you. And I bet you try to use a example of black men that ain’t nothing that only black women chase and not the good ones that nobody wants
These women typically ignore the signs of their children being abused and end up dead at record rates. They dont know the meaning of leadership and literally subject themselves to poverty and physical violence, just to keep the presence of a man.
@@mrwalker1932Stats say YES! Yall love saying "not all" but it was fair enough share to set a precedent. Yall know an abusive uncle where "he be wilin" when you see it.
Problem with lotta black folks now is they focused more on looks rather then common knowledge. Guys mad at women nails and wigs like they women. BW not given enough game to leave the WM system
The Moynihan report paints black men as those who abandoned women that they were married to at record rates. They delve deep into the black male sociology about their lack of ethics and respect for authority. The report was so scathing that black leaders slammed and banned it from most curricula cause it hurt their image as masculine leaders and providers who continue to blame their failure on white intervention.
Respect Mr. Hoffman. This is fascinating. The late great Kevin Samuels called it. Those brothers tried explaining to those sisters what their natural role is in the black family, as it is, in any other. What it has always been traditionally, a wife and mother. Anytime a woman says to a man he has to be reprogrammed on what she needs so she'll submit and fall in line, shows she has lost her ability to take her man or husband's lead. As far as she's concerned her ability to cooperate is conditional. Some blackwomen fell for the banana in the tailpipe. i.e. feminism, government handouts and the attainment of an American dream, that was never really obtainable in the first place, and it most certainly was never meant for people of color anyway. Whether intentional or not it effectively did what chattle slavery and Jim Crow couldn't. It destroyed the black family structure for generations to come and has continued to this day. This rift between blackmen and blackwomen is being discussed in our community more than ever now, because it's out of control and continuing to further separate us as a community. Other communities are experiencing some form of this as well. That's modern women for you. This interview was recorded in 1970. The beginning of the end for the traditional family structure!
@@RaiderClarke312 I'm just glad that there are people who understand, just how serious the consequences of this behavior is in the black community. ✌🏼🙏🏼
fascinating, black Americans have been publicly debating their relationship dynamic since the early days of mass media great find David
And "they've" been paying attention.
@@kevinking5406 Right, exactly!
Round and round
@@kevinking5406 - why
Way before this too
We are having the same conversations in 2023....woooow😂😂😂😂😂😂
Like…. It’s honestly crazy. When will it end?
Now y'all see where it started, & how it started
It will never end.
the revolution kirk frank lol
2024 going into 2025
...the more things change, the more they stay the same. Great video👍👍
The more things change, the more they stay the same. 🌹🌹🌹🌹
Tommy Curry is finally changing this
I love a great discussion better than a staged discussion. Thank you David ❤️
Moynihan Report? Shame few people will ever read that
Great discussion? Them ninjas was copping pleas and The women sounded more logical
We've been having the 50/50 debate for a hunnid years 😂
50/50 is never gonna be that way. Women want special treatment like not pumping the gas, taking out the trash all while saying I'm not gonna cook or respect you as a man because I work too. Even if you provide them with the traditional lifestyle they will still have the same attitude and add on that you help with her half. Their deal is so one sided that its just insulting.
@R.O.T.C._SEEM Taking out the trash takes all of 30 seconds...pumping gas takes 3 minutes MAX...stop acting like yall are doing herculean tasks here lol
@@alexisc7565 As a black man even I admit this debate sounds pathetic
@@SunShine-vo9uyand what exactly do y'all own?
@@SunShine-vo9uywhat's statistics show that black women earn less than black men in America today y'all just want everybody to be a millionaire everybody can't have a millionaire just like everybody can't have it Beyonce
I love how they sound so intelligent with a very good vocabulary.
Elaine Brown should have been there. She destroyed that femcentric reporter
Yeah, who was apparently successful in infiltrating total anti-intellectualism to young black americans?
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And now we are 50+ years later....I wonder what the discussion would sound like now. Thanks for sharing.
It's #SYSBM
No more discussions 🛩✈️🛫
Sex tourism is not the answer.
Fifty years later, unfortunately, the conversation is the same. Therefore, the Black Man has no other alternative other than to move on. These women just don’t get it man!….They just don’t get it!
@@Andrejr316 What does that mean? Honest question?
This is yet another very interesting clip and it just opens up all kinds of avenues of thought and things that are hard to discuss but I am grateful for all of the work that people like you have done that have enabled me to study all of this. It is truly a gift to people like me whose whole lives have been but a quest for truth and reason.
Yes! 🙌
@@addieblanchard2228Shame they speak of matriarchy but that there is no mention of Robert Staples
Yes, Mr. Hoffman this vital film makes so much sense now (today) world. This wasn't talked about growing up as a young child. Now in my forties I can see how the husband role is express without a negative conflict in relationship. I had the slightest clue on the subject, just empty advice. My grandparents stayed married and it was always to the end. They kept the family unit together and no excuses. I grew up with strong values and we had to play outside when grown-ups talked. Now I know the subjects.
OMG. He's saying this in 1970.
The part of the video showing the black man with the light blue shirt on is actually from 1968 (it shows it on the original video).
Pre Oprah Winfrey says alot, huh?
My queen
Yup my thoughts exactly. You can actually hear from the male perspective and experience.
I don't understand this term "Pre-oprah Winfrey". Could you pls expatiate....
PS: I'm not from USA.
@@ikOldBoy before Oprah Winfrey started broadcasting her talk shows
@@kaleidoset2569
The guy in the video was like, “My father and his father had to put up with this sh**.” 🤭
Fascinating look back into conversations that i know nothing about. Thank you David❤
This was a really great conversation. Rings true in modern times as well.
Black men and woman been fighting since the 60s. Look at the old videos it never stopped. We probably been fighting longer than that
What's left out of the conversation is the effect of political policies that have effected the black family. Redlining, block busting, debt peonage, drugs being brought in, schools and communities being destroyed and under funded, economic infrastructure being dismantled, mass incarceration, economic depravation, mental health being unaddressed, inadequate housing, striving for white acceptance, and so much more. I think in the modern era you can look back using this Internet and see what happened but only a few of us will address it in this context.
thank you for pointing out all these important factors 🙌🏾
The main problem, people want to yell from emotion without actually looking at any history, or getting adequate focus on the big picture. The country wants the black man eliminated...period.
Agreed.
"drugs being brought in" And they magically sell themselves & force their users with this same magic. "mass incarceration" because most were innocent right? "striving for white acceptance" as you call whites supremacists, racists & slavers all your life. That's one way to strive...lol
Holy fuck a person with a brain.
I’m tired of the vocal minority of my people acting like a bunch of morons for White entertainment, while completely ignoring the very real systems that forced us to spew vitriol at the other party from the very beginning; all while neither party are at fault for any of this.
Respectability politics, seeking White acceptance and the desperation for upward mobility are ALL creations of White supremacy perpetuated by Black against each other since the beginning.
When Black people finally realize that it’s okay to blame and hold accountable the White collective for their contributions to our never-ending suffering, then we’ll see progress.
This is a very interesting topic that could be discuss in today society. as I was watching this the television show "Julia" staring Diahann Carrol who played a nurse and a widowed single mother raising her son it ran from 1968 to 71 It is notable for being the first weekly series to star an African American woman in a non-stereotypical role. Previous television series featured African American lead characters, but the characters were usually servants. thanks for this one David Hoffman.
A piece of history!
Thank you so much for these documentaries
This was some interesting video of some information we needed. Thanks for sharing the video David Film maker 🎥🎞️
Change the clothes and the video quality and this could’ve been a stream from yesterday. I think 100 years from now they’ll see all these youtube videos from today and the conversation will still be the exact same
Only that 100 years from now bw would have achieved their goal/fantasy of complete separation and assimilation to the host I'm sorry to say.
Lol today no one speaks proper English and it’s a 70% they are not married.
@@QuadriviumNumbers proving once and for all the fallacy of a matriarchy being conducive to a thriving non-dysfunctional culture.
It's a little more ratchetness in it but you're absolutely right
@@craigpate3317 thats true. Goofy ass pastel colored lace fronts and lamb chop eyelashes weren’t invented yet
This is so dam true til this day.
Thank you for this 🙏🏾
Even this man's wife is interrupting him. You cant make this ish up
Makes a change from the beginning of the video 😂😂
Grown children
And nothing has changed
Ah interesting this was before my time but I look at videos like this and just listen I over hear these conversations for years as a kid.
I'm in my early 30's and sadly we even going through this . To me, I believe media and just the government together takes part in the division
Black Men and Women need each other...a lot more will be accomplished whn United. 🌹❤️
We must respect one another has human beings. Doesn’t necessarily mean all 👨🏾& 👩🏾 should be together
Really? Black women have been saying for decades that they are strong and independent, but they are struggling. In fact, black men do NOT need black women. Black men can go somewhere else and find a woman that is willing to fall in line.
@@robertlunderwood That's not all of us my dear, can't speak for the rest but i absolutely need a Man, always have, always will. 🫶🏾
@@indigobeauty1 But you are the minority. I'm talking about the majority.
Nah it's over with, let it burn & fix itself!
A scene that cements the epitome of "you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't."
(especially being able to view this from a directly connected "future".)
Boom.
I see you found it too @Roghish DA Buildmonger. Is that your uncle @ 3:20?
Black men were screwed out the gate.
@@brichmond007listen to the Amos Wilson lecture
Black male female relationships
Black men and woman been fighting since the 60s. Look at the old videos it never stopped. We probably been fighting longer than that
This is the most disheartening conversation I’ve ever heard in my life.
the sweet voice of the announcer
We were setup to still be having this conversation. Lordy why can’t we just work together and not make it a power struggle
you can Google it, read the Willie Lynch letter.
1:47 that's called selective hearing.
Same in 60 years ❤good content
It’s funny how this was 1970 yet these are the same women who created these “boss chicks/masculine women” and these feminine men. And now the year is 2023 and it’s really the same conversations happening today rather or be in the home or on podcast (social media). 🙄😩🤷🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ we’ve gotten no where
The main reason that we haven't gotten anywhere is because these types of discussions are cherry picked to perpetuate confusion and division. Men and women pointing fingers at each other and blaming each other. But no one ever asks "why"? Why is this happening, what's the cause of all of this and what's the end result going to be? The people who do ask those questions are never put on TV.
@@renzo7503 well if we think about this and this is just my opinion on this. But really the divide started to happen when women decided to accept section 8 housing and food stamps. And then of course came the higher education for women. Which formed this type of mentality that they didn’t “need a man” for anything. And it’s just got passed down from one generation to the next. And of course let’s factor in the drugs that were dropped off in “black neighborhoods” that were once thriving before the divide. Again that’s just my opinion.
@@renzo7503 also the men that the women were choosing to lay down with to have these kids. Not letting the men be men. It’s just really a damn mess. A mess I don’t think we will be able to clean up honestly.
@@HIWWPI_2024 I agree with you 100%. Everything you mentioned was put in place by the government. I've yet to see a nationally syndicated talk show with black men and women discussing the origins and affects of those programs. No one ever asks what will the result be of financially and educationally incentivizing the women while leaving the men out in the cold. All of these things are war tactics and I'm not being dramatic when I say that either. And no, we cannot clean this up because we are powerless in this country. We are at the mercy of tyrants and it will not end well for us.
@@renzo7503 😌 unfortunately you’re right it won’t end well for us. We definitely are powerless. It makes me upset, sad, definitely angry. The ish out black men and women have falling for. We once seemed like we stuck together a few generations ago. Some how the black family strayed and all these tactics like you say were thrown at us. Definitely a war tactic for sure. Our people are even killing each other and I know they love that. 🤦🏾♀️ I’ve recently been doing a lot of research because you know in school we aren’t taught are real hidden history. We have to dig it up on our own.
This was a generational pattern.. it's now in the last few years this mindset has changed.
This was the beginning of what we have now. The dysfunction was programed
I love every millisecond of this!!
No matter what race… misogyny is everywhere.
The word you are looking for is misandry.
Colorism & Misogyny justifies lesbianism & bisexuality in black women.
Keep that same energy when the bill comes
@@nickjones3860and all the bills are paid by black women who out-earn, out-graduate black men and are the most to open businesses. Keep smoking your weed and sitting on your ass😂😂😂
@@yanig7558misandrist and Colorism justifies gay men Black male podcast and bisexuality in men
The more things change ....
The more they stay the same.
Thanks David Hoffman film maker for sharing, I appreciate it. Good story and video. This was before Oprah. Lol
#SYSBM
The Moynihan Report is just as true today as it was 50 years ago.
And with that "The Man in the House Rule" Act.
Facts 💯
We deserve so much better.
@@TheRealCompensator the Moynihan report clearly states black men didn’t want to be responsible and welfare was the result.
You understand they took us out the house because we had the power to lead the community right?
If black women speak their truth whether you agree or not ...society says they are bitter. If black woman wants to get a career....society says she's about to join the feminism rally and say "She doesn't need a man...she's a boss now. In Reality this sister is trying create a better life for herself & possible future family. If black women say they want a guy that has alot of money. She is condemned & called a gold digger. Also she is made to feel ashamed for wanting a guy to financially take care of her. Because their own people will say " See she thinks she's too good to marry a guy that has a regular job. But in reality black women been dating guys with no jobs, guys who get a job when they feel like it for years..Maybe the black woman is trying raise her standards and have a husband that has money and stability. Also, most black women have been the head of their household for years and raising the kids by herself. The reason for her becoming the head of household 98% of the time is by force. The black man (not talking about all black men) leaves her & go create kids in other households or has to get on welfare so she can survive & the rules for welfare back then (not sure about now)can't have a spouse living with you while on welfare. So the black woman in this situation has to create a masculine mentality in order to survive in this white man's society and take care of the kids. Now let's now analyze how the white woman is treated and judged differently in similar circumstances.. Now when white women speak their truth they are never called "bitter women" instead they have groups to help them.....Feminism & ME TOO Movement where the white woman is always classified as victims(doesn't if she's telling the truth or not. Her being a white woman alone in white society means she is the image of truth). If she has to lead her household, the white woman isn't looked at as aggressive...She looked as again the victim. If the white woman decides she only wants to date or marry a man with money....Nothing is said about her being a gold digger because her marrying a guy that has alot of money is considered normal in society.
the key word is FOR HERSELF
@@richardbyfield1918
🫵🏽😒Selective reading 📖much?! 🤣
The commenter wrote,
”…for herself 🗣️👉🏾& possible future family.” 🗣️FAMILY!!!
The same society condemning you is the same society empowering you. Don't you get it? That's how you and others like you stay in your place. As long as the system keeps you in this ebb and flow of abuse. You'll pledge your allegiance for eternity. Until you stop. That's the battle. For many of us.
@@ScumDogMFhe is an insecure male bitter towards black women who figured out how to have success before the black man. Black men like this wish to be coddled for their terrible behavior (r kelly, jon majors…) and black women have had enough. Keep moving on. They will not see it but stay rooted in their ego like a venus fly trap, waiting for any gullible woman to fall for their religious manosphere rhetoric and turn them into a pickme/servant. A successful woman is seen as “out of order” and they will try to guilt u for being successful. And trust me, if u were to surrender your life and aspirations to them they WILL NOT protect u and barely provide for u in the way they claim to, in fact they will then blame u for wanting better or asking for anything.
This is ABUSIVE behavior 101. Guilt. Isolation. Neglect. Blame. Dont fall for their foolish talk, keep moving. Love is out there, its a big world
@@richardbyfield1918 and men be forself more often than yall care to talk about....we have watched fathers walk away from there family and when a woman has to take of HERSELF and whatever child is left behind this is what yall do.....for herself smh are u fcking kidding me....the whole community has been in survival mode since before and after jim and reconstruction .....all of us need and have to wrk to take of OURSELVES BEFORE WE CAN TAKE CARE OF ANYONE ELSE ....i think yall forget that
I'm a black, married woman (41 years) who grew up in the 60s and I do not and cannot relate to this conversation. I believe it depends on those who were more apart of "the movement" as opposed to traditional family. I also know liberation was not just an issue btwn black man and black woman but white couples as well where the traditional white man was uncomfortable with the wife liberating herself to be equal and breakaway from society's standards of traditional family. However I must say that I don't deny that many black families were pulled apart from the day they were forced on this land so, that no doubt would cause complications for a black male who had to deal with immasculation, degradation and hate for centuries. Ms. Long Island
Summarized perfectly
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and well rounded response. ❤ it’s refreshing seeing someone not resort to sexism and instead the internal struggles the individual will face/feel when dealing with societal change and progress.
The government had a plan in the 1950 to push more woman into the workforce. Unfortunately black woman are the cheese as well and like the white woman put careers over family. Nothing wrong with woman having careers, but the idea of “I can do it too” put a wedge between us instead of just simply joining to incomes and living well.
@@anigah read that again.
@Dee Mari
*”I don’t deny that many black families were pulled apart from…”*
What you’re denying is that there are a segment of women who are masculine, mean, unbearable to be around, bad attitudes, and or don’t know when to shut up.
The change of the work environment and women gaining “equality” has given men, especially black men, their freedom. Men are no longer under environmental and social pressure to marry women that they can’t stand.
2023 and I’m wondering exactly how much has actually changed…
Half a Century later?¿?... 🤯 Smdh 🤦🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
Wow so women were forced to work outside of the home, and do the majority of house work even back then. So there was never a time where this demographic of women and children were provided for and treated like the delicate sex. Heartbreaking
What?😂 nobody forced women to work outside of they’re home feminism made them do it women were provided for all the time they were taught what to expect from a man but we were never taught what to expect from a woman
@@gohanblack3355 Black women were forced to work by law and for survival bc black men stopped being providers for their families
@@gohanblack3355that’s it the story for black women
They're the ones who fought for it now they're blaming us for it@@gohanblack3355
@@gohanblack3355 With many men being abusive and not knowing God, it was a necessity back then if they also wanted to be financially able to escape that instead of being dependent on an abuser's support. The conflict in general between man and woman is a genrational curse (genesis 3:16) due to sin. Even if the women's rights movement didn't happen there would still be conflict between the genders.
What happened to us 😢 we use to be Great! Even with the minor problems we had at the time we was almost there.
6:30
Perfect definition of Parental Authority.
Peace!
\o/
Absolutely enriching and uplifting video and discussions. I just want to add, contrary to what the lady at the very end said, "stand up with strength and say I am proud, I am black", No, in the words of my father, completely detach yourself from such attachments like blackness, or whiteness, or this and that..., in fact, when every you catch yourself using the phrase "I'am" be extra cautious as to what to say next. Learn very deeply about who you are on all levels, for me for example, I hav always believed I am a spiritual being and never grounded myself on such fragile ideas like race, color, money, education or what have you. My brothers and sisters, or fathers and mothers, we are in fact the dearly, deeply, and endless beloved children's of GOD.
Onward and upward to a million subscribers!
I'll keep that as a mantra everything on UA-cam involved with my channel has radically slowed down including new subscribers.
David Hoffman filmmaker
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker you deserve it more than other YT'ers that I won't mention by name. Your content is actually useful and valuable to society.
Best of luck to you, Mr. Hoffman!
Just subscribed notifications bell on!!!
Thanks!
Your support matters and it touches me Porcupine. Thank you.
David Hoffman filmmaker
Im glad I give up on finding a husband.
Now I can focus on myself ❤
I’m glad I gave up on having a black husband been married to my Italian (WM) for 10yrs and have never been more stress free,loved,protected and respected .
People can only be kept in cages they refuse to see.
7:54 Let me cut you off again 😂😂😂
It's really all about mutual respect and self love! That's what makes a strong and lasting relationship / marriage! But many men want to be the only one in charge making most or all of the decisions even when it's clear that their wife/woman is highly organized, extremely intelligent and has her finances in order! Too many men are intimidated by that and want her to keep her opinion to herself, leave her job or take a demotion and stick to household chores!🤯 They don't want a true helpmate, just a glorified servant! Thats what women are resistant to! And who wouldn't be?! Besides housewives who didn't even finish highschool have been left high and dry by husbands who just didn't want them and their family anymore! Certain men say you don't need an education or money to be with them but why do they get tired/bored of/by those women too! We, in romantic relationships need to treat each other as human beings that deserve to be respected and loved!
I DID agree with one thing she said: We gotta take ours by FORCE!!
What does force look like will you not be prosecuted as criminals during or afterwards? That is a psycho mind, wanting to be forced just to behave properly.
@@little95 hey! 700+ years of being on bottom will make u psycho
Right, you don't bargain with devils hell bent on destroying you.
This when it started
Thanks David💕✌️
If these people are still alive today, I would love to hear if they believe things have changed for the better in the decades since and, if so, how....
The system has designed it this way from the Family courts down. It's designed to tear families apart to fund prison industrial complex and other alphabet agencies that only survive with a revolving door of broken people
I have to REITERATE this, these are your GRANDPARENTS & GREAT GRANDPARENTS but THEY ARE MY PARENTS who raised me. So THINK DEEPLY on what I’m saying, they were trying to find their NITCH, coming out of desegregation WITHOUT LOSING the essence of who they were as a FAMILY & as MALE/FEMALE in a economy that for scores of years denied them the opportunity. This was CULTIVATED IN ALL THE SEEDS they were bringing into the WORLD. THEY ARE GONE NOW, and we are taking their place.
Castrated? The black women were being blamed for things not their fault even back then.
That's because most people are not astute enough to see the entire picture. The system weaponized you using your natural ambition to succeed.
Facts!
Apparently nothing at all in life is bw's fault. Facts!
That’s the goal. It’s always been the strategy to have Black men and women in anger, hating and blaming each other rather than addressing the attacks flying in from the outside on both of them. This designed tactic never ever gets old.
You obviously didn’t get the metaphorical reason why that was said
Beautiful, well balanced couple. 💕
If you are married and your husband does not pray at night and/or early morning before the sun come up; then that man will not be able to lead properly and cover the family as he should. Because everything that is in the physical realm first comes from the spirit realm. When men slept the enemy plants his seeds. And the bible says, we wrestle not against flesh and blood but demons. And if that man do not pray and fast then the house has been compromised. The man is the head of the family and if the head is not seeking God everyday; then the wife and children is in trouble. Men ought to always pray and not faint.
Sorry everyone ain’t. Religious
So to lead black men should follow scripture from the book that made them slaves? Make sense right now
The more things change the more they remain the same.
No other race but the blk race have these discussions
These women were LOUD and talking aggressive/hand in the face, talking OVER others even waaayy back then 😂
this is some sexist ish here.....this is why alot of women do not want to deal with men like this.....this is sad asf and i am soo glad 4B is making waves
Same here.
Beautiful video
Before the 1970's, how long did it take for this programming to take root, such deep roots. Since at least 1970, it only got worse, and is only gonna get worse with only one promise in sight, Death😮
Beautifully Said..AMEN 🤗💕🕯💐
wow, same convos in 2024
I am in agreement with the man who said the family culture heritage history roles of the family members that has been hidden for more than 400 years should be practiced at home
Does anyone know,, where this family is today??
Nothing has changed.
They JUMPED RIGHT ON THAT "YOU'RE INSECURE SHIT". These women are grandmother's now. Listen to this shit
That's because they knew damn well what they were participating in. Emasculation for pay.
@@turquoisepurple7sky151 Ok
@@kensmechanicalaffair emasculation for DEPENDENCE.
Fire! Truth!
I’m NOT giving my PERSONAL OPINION, I’ll will let you hear it for yourself. REMEMBER I was born September 25, 1972, so these would be MY PARENTS as they were COMING OUT OF DESEGREGATION .
Sometimes, it's so difficult to watch videos of past gender discussions, as you get a lot of tired sexist takes in the comments (mostly bots/trolls) that rather go back to a time with less rights out of some delusional idea it'll make their lives "better" with no regards for anyone else.
Most of the only things, I want from history to affect today are fashions and higher taxes for the rich. sigh
Historic dusties 😂
So if women been feeling like this for so long, why do they raise their sons like that? Yall not teaching y'all boys how to be good men! Instead, yall reserve yall best selves for yall daughters and these podcast conversations. Why doesnt it translate in the house? So to me, TO ME, IT seems like women benefit from men NOT getting the message and not evolving
Francis at the end was not the man in that marriage. He got cut off so many times, he is more mild mannered. And they think it's a good idea to pull kids out of school to force them to only hear about a set of viewpoints that they deem is appropriate, which sounds like a bad idea. The black family was doomed because the white man's system exploited black women, turning them against the black man and keeping the whole race from being able to develop holistically. It's not anyone's fault, not the black men or women or even white people. The situation is what it is. Ultimately there likely won't be any positive improvement in the black community. Francis doesn't want to go out and be dominant in the workplace but black women don't mind.
This bs at some point you be responsible for your choices. My grandmother fought in the civil rights movement and said really this had been going on since 65’. BW knew what the “white man” was doing and they still drunk the kook-aid naw I anit going .
All that to blame the black man in the end an let white folks who screwed us both off the hook. Yes I read it.
I believe women back then was more loyal to their man.
I’m a black woman. I don’t understand what black women are doing wrong.
Black Women attend college to be able to take care of themselves and their children if she has any, and, if or when her husband dies or there is a divorce.
All races of women attend college. What is the big problem with black women wanting to learn and contribute.
Last, for black women to take a back seat and black men step forward….in what way? Black Women are not bossing black men.
So, STOP.
It’s just an excuse for them to date interracially. We’re not doing anything wrong, we’re building our businesses, have our own money/education/homes…they are jealous of us…our intellect, our independence, our innovation, our standards, our courage and strength etc. they just want us to breed their babies so we can still have black males running to every other communities putting their resources in those communities.
And the next cycle of the generational curse commences..🤦🏾
Keep on being disingenuous. You see where that’s gotten “us”.
All races of women attend college.
All of them do not yell and scream how they don’t need their men though. 🤷🏾♂️
@@invadercem2 You don't go out much lmao
The white man liked every Blk woman’s opinion that agreed with feminist mindset David Hoffman and the entire goofy idiots who support him can jump off a cliff
I appreciate all you do, David. I do however wish black Americans didn’t have such a history of broadcasting our internal discussions for others to consume. Certain things are just not everyone’s business.
What? This was on TV back then as a documentary? Or do you think this was shown just in the black people’s homes? Wow!!! I can’t believe some of the Bullshyt . But let this documentary showed black men in a bad light. Then you wouldn’t made such a comment…
I'm sorry Ms Jackson. But this documentary is for real. It shows us on which group desperately needs to take accountability for their actions.
@@turquoisepurple7sky151 And Eve was the one that led Adam to the serpent.
@@turquoisepurple7sky151 Eve being Adams helpmate was not because of the consequences of her actions. Eve the woman is supposed to be the help mate of Adam from the very jump. And the higher power have given them instructions to anywhere in the garden except for the tree of knowledge. Eve disobey his order and at the same time deceived Adam into eating the forbidden fruit. The fruit of knowledge for BW was welfare, child support and government housing. All this in exchange of removing the BM out of the picture. I don't have to go to a chain series of events to explain what the results are. You can see if for yourself.
john jacob - Eve didn’t have to go find Adam to lead him. He was right there. (Genesis 3: 6) All Eve had to do was hand the fruit to him and he ate it, too.
Anyone know the name of this series?
Black Journal.
David Hoffman Filmmaker
3:20 this statement is true even today
Sadly this conversation is still happening even in my generation today but WAY more toxic.
I'll give this a like DH cue u asked
How many women y’all know took the back seat & allowed their man lead, where did it get her/them?
Suffering!!! Worse decision ever. That was a horrible time in my life because the BM wanted to “Be The Boss!” His words. But he wouldn’t pay the cost to be. He was selfish, cowardly, miserly, DL😮, & chaotic. He turned life into a damn nightmare 😒🔥😱!!! He was a broke narcissistic con artist & an abuser!!!
🎉I survived & married a wonderful man ❤👨🏻❤ Life is now comfortable, peaceful & happy. 💆🏽♀️ 🎉
@@sandycheeks1580you a Chico that hate black men because we get picked for anything over you. And I bet you try to use a example of black men that ain’t nothing that only black women chase and not the good ones that nobody wants
@@sandycheeks1580now did other women statistically feel your same experience across the states n your race?
These women typically ignore the signs of their children being abused and end up dead at record rates. They dont know the meaning of leadership and literally subject themselves to poverty and physical violence, just to keep the presence of a man.
@@mrwalker1932Stats say YES! Yall love saying "not all" but it was fair enough share to set a precedent. Yall know an abusive uncle where "he be wilin" when you see it.
The race that’s forever living in The Twilight Zone. 🤦🏾
Why did she keep cutting that man off like he wasn’t well-spoken
she was strong and independent and saw him as beneath her.
@@vg1024They still believe that today.
Problem with lotta black folks now is they focused more on looks rather then common knowledge. Guys mad at women nails and wigs like they women. BW not given enough game to leave the WM system
Black men havent left the white man’s system. Yall literally depend on him to provide every aspect of your lives. Yall really be wylin 😂
Wow!!!!!
Woman in search of a Man? And yet Baulked at the Moynihan report. Double speak.
The Moynihan report paints black men as those who abandoned women that they were married to at record rates. They delve deep into the black male sociology about their lack of ethics and respect for authority. The report was so scathing that black leaders slammed and banned it from most curricula cause it hurt their image as masculine leaders and providers who continue to blame their failure on white intervention.
2:35 facts Till this day in the 2020s
They made their choice let the benefits and consequences come their way.
Well...
Respect Mr. Hoffman. This is fascinating. The late great Kevin Samuels called it. Those brothers tried explaining to those sisters what their natural role is in the black family, as it is, in any other. What it has always been traditionally, a wife and mother. Anytime a woman says to a man he has to be reprogrammed on what she needs so she'll submit and fall in line, shows she has lost her ability to take her man or husband's lead. As far as she's concerned her ability to cooperate is conditional. Some blackwomen fell for the banana in the tailpipe. i.e. feminism, government handouts and the attainment of an American dream, that was never really obtainable in the first place, and it most certainly was never meant for people of color anyway. Whether intentional or not it effectively did what chattle slavery and Jim Crow couldn't. It destroyed the black family structure for generations to come and has continued to this day. This rift between blackmen and blackwomen is being discussed in our community more than ever now, because it's out of control and continuing to further separate us as a community. Other communities are experiencing some form of this as well. That's modern women for you. This interview was recorded in 1970. The beginning of the end for the traditional family structure!
You said much of what I was going to say....
@@RaiderClarke312 I'm just glad that there are people who understand, just how serious the consequences of this behavior is in the black community. ✌🏼🙏🏼
What ? Weren't black families forcefully separated during slavery ?
@@J7pat7 nope. Check out Dr Thomas Sowell on the black family in slavery. Most black families were torn apart in the 1960s due to welfare.
Great points, sir 👏🏾
#SYSBM
This eye opening Black Woman were crazy back then too!!!!
@@3namechangezalowdevry90day7 If he was white do you think she should "assume her role"?
No ratchet for the wicked!!