IJN Satsuma - Guide 314

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  • @Drachinifel
    @Drachinifel  2 роки тому +28

    Pinned post for Q&A :)

    • @mikemcghin5394
      @mikemcghin5394 2 роки тому +2

      What was and is the pounder measurement system for Canon and rifle guns like the US army 14-pounder james rifle gun

    • @ManiusCuriusDenatus
      @ManiusCuriusDenatus 2 роки тому +3

      Drach- Could you do a segment about the ships the various Daimyo of Japan (Satsuma) or the Shogunate built/purchased prior to the Meiji restoration? I seem to remember reading that the Shogunate purchased from the British and Satsuma from the Dutch. Is this accurate?

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 2 роки тому +4

      If the Japanese didn't run out of 12” guns and built Satsuma as a dreadnought, what terminology would be used for the all-big-gun battleships?

    • @BountyFlamor
      @BountyFlamor 2 роки тому +2

      Why did the Ottomans stop winning naval engagements after Lepanto?

    • @bernardrubin933
      @bernardrubin933 2 роки тому +1

      if the satsuma's were built as full on dreadnaughts, would it change anything in the grand scheme of things?

  • @AsbestosMuffins
    @AsbestosMuffins 2 роки тому +287

    "And by 1905 they had a number of russian built ships in their inventory."
    How nice of the russians to work with them

    • @nk_3332
      @nk_3332 2 роки тому +35

      They learned from the British who favored adding French ships to their navy.

    • @brucemckean2848
      @brucemckean2848 2 роки тому +30

      A tradition of generosity that continues with Ukraine being the beneficiary.

    • @Aelxi
      @Aelxi 2 роки тому +21

      Kamchatka not included*

    • @stevef3274
      @stevef3274 2 роки тому +3

      Early Russian Lend-Lease.

    • @jeffreyskoritowski4114
      @jeffreyskoritowski4114 2 роки тому

      @@Aelxi Another Russian warship launched upside down, on fire and with a couple of dead Hookers in her bunkers.

  • @bryantcurtis2665
    @bryantcurtis2665 2 роки тому +44

    BT3 Bryant advance boiler technician U.S.S. Gridley CG-21 here. I couldn’t believe it when we pulled into port in Hawaii in 1984 and there was a Japanese destroyer there. Progress. I’m sure glad they’re on our side, as well as the Germans and their wonderful submarine technology I.e. non-magnetic hulls etc. We are not targets or victims. We’re volunteers. Stay safe people. Thanks Drach.

  • @Big_E_Soul_Fragment
    @Big_E_Soul_Fragment 2 роки тому +75

    Rapid technology development on that era is insane that once commissioned, they're already outdated

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 2 роки тому +8

      That really wasn’t the problem with Satsuma. The Japanese wanted to build her as a dreadnought, they just ran out of money to do so.
      She was done in because she wasn’t built the way she was designed, not because the idea behind her became obsolete before she was commissioned.

    • @davidwright7193
      @davidwright7193 2 роки тому +5

      The Lord Nelson were made obsolete while still on the slipways.

    • @davidwright7193
      @davidwright7193 2 роки тому +4

      The Lord Nelson were made obsolete while still on the slipways. Labour and materials that were supposed to be used for the Lord Nelson’s were shifted over to Dreadnaught to get her launched quicker.

  • @sadams12345678
    @sadams12345678 2 роки тому +31

    To everyone joking about the ship being named after an orange. It wasn't. both this ship and the orange were named after the old Satsuma province on the island of Kyushu in southern Japan.

    • @loickv2859
      @loickv2859 2 роки тому +1

      Many thanks for correcting this point 👉 :-)

    • @zackakai5173
      @zackakai5173 2 роки тому +3

      And on top of that (at least to the best of my knowledge), that fruit isn't even called a "satsuma" in Japan. That's 100% an English language thing. In Japan it's called a "mikan," while the word "satsuma" (or "satsuma imo") refers to a kind of sweet potato.

  • @comentedonakeyboard
    @comentedonakeyboard 2 роки тому +165

    In Hindsight it might have been a Blessing that she was not the first all big gun Battleship.
    Just imagine an alternate timeline, in which we would have to talk about the "Satsuma Arms Race"
    Dreadnought just sounds better.

    • @jamesbuckner4791
      @jamesbuckner4791 2 роки тому +25

      It would have been call the dreadnought race. The British at the time were the premiere shipwrights. Even if the South Carolina had made it out of the slipway and docks first pretty sure dreadnought would still have stolen the show. South Carolina actually had a better chance of beating Dreadnought out the sea 1st if Congress had not been money pinching the navy.

    • @calvingreene90
      @calvingreene90 2 роки тому +25

      It could have been worse it could have been South Carolina race.

    • @comentedonakeyboard
      @comentedonakeyboard 2 роки тому +23

      @@calvingreene90 good Point. I think we're lucky that Tirpitz got no chance to build the first. With cöüntließ umlauts and ie/eis in the Name.

    • @Colt45hatchback
      @Colt45hatchback 2 роки тому +13

      I dont think it would have made a difference like that, just would have became the battleship arms race, and, chances are that the western world wouldnt have acknowleged the japanese beat them to a new thing anyway

    • @bigblue6917
      @bigblue6917 2 роки тому +2

      @@comentedonakeyboard Really trips of the tongue that one.

  • @notbobrosss3670
    @notbobrosss3670 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks!

  • @vikkimcdonough6153
    @vikkimcdonough6153 2 роки тому +25

    IJN ship designers: "We shall build the _Satsumas_ with a uniform 12"/45 main battery!"
    IJN ordnance officer: "Um, guys, we don't have enough 12"/45s to build even one of the _Satsumas_ like that..."
    IJN ship designers: "Fine, we'll give them each four 12"/45s and make up the difference with pairs of 10-inch guns."
    _A few years later:_
    IJN ordnance officer: "Thank goodness we've finally got enough 12"/45s for a battleship class to use them for a uniform main battery..."
    IJN ship designers: "We shall build the _Kawachis_ with a uniform _12"/50_ main battery!"
    IJN ordnance officer: _"sigh"_

    • @davidchambers8697
      @davidchambers8697 2 роки тому +2

      There are people at whom one can only marvel.

    • @RedXlV
      @RedXlV 2 роки тому +4

      It seems to me that Japan's best choice for the Satsumas would've been similar to what Britain did to speed up Dreadnought's completion: swipe some turrets and guns from other, less important ships. Lord Nelson and Agamemnon didn't enter service until 2 years after Dreadnought, because their 12"/45 turrets were put on Dreadnought instead. This meant only 2 guns and 1 turret actually had to be built for Dreadnought, but afterward replacement guns and turrets had to be built for Lord Nelson and Agamemnon to be completed.
      Mikasa was given a rather extravagant refit from 1906-1908 that replaced her pair of 12"/40 turrets with 12"/45s. And 2 each of the Tsukuba- and Ibuki-class armoured cruisers and Katori-class battleships (all also armed with a pair of 12"/45 twin turrets) were still under construction at the time Satsuma was laid down (though some would soon be completed). If Japan had been willing to delay any of those ships until more 12"/45s could be built, that's a total of 14 turrets and 28 barrels to work with. Whereas completing Satsuma and Aki to their original design would only divert away 16 barrels and 4 turrets (the single turrets for the wing mounts would've still needed to be built from scratch).

    • @vikkimcdonough6153
      @vikkimcdonough6153 Рік тому +3

      @@RedXlV Alternatively, they could've completed the _Satsumas_ with the 10" wing guns as an interim solution and later regunned them with 12" wing turrets once enough guns became available. (Also, using guns and turrets originally meant for other ships to complete the _Satsumas_ as uniform-main-battery ships would've diverted 8 turrets and 24 barrels - remember that their amidships wing turrets would've been twins, not singles.)

  • @simonrook5743
    @simonrook5743 2 роки тому +12

    Thanks for peeling back the story to the core, pips and all.

    • @aurictech4378
      @aurictech4378 2 роки тому

      Drach told this ship's story with such zest.

  • @johnfisher9692
    @johnfisher9692 2 роки тому +7

    Thanks Drach, it shows the incredible speed of tech development when a ship can be considered obsolete even before it launched

  • @juicemeister1984
    @juicemeister1984 2 роки тому +248

    I can't believe the IJN Satsuma isn't a super battleship based on a stretched yamato hull with 8 510mm main guns and 203mm secondary guns that can press a button and have the accuracy of modern missiles

  • @1977Yakko
    @1977Yakko 2 роки тому +11

    I just love these big gun ships from the late 1800's - early 1900's. They're just the epitome of what a warship should look like.

  • @Eulemunin
    @Eulemunin 2 роки тому +8

    These are such interesting almost world firsts. It just goes to show what the proper infrastructure does.

  • @agesflow6815
    @agesflow6815 2 роки тому +3

    Thank you, Drachinifel.

  • @ant4812
    @ant4812 2 роки тому +31

    You'd think that the powers that were would have armed the things entirely with a ten inch main battery. Spotting fall of shot must have been difficult.

    • @mikeynth7919
      @mikeynth7919 2 роки тому +11

      Imagine Satsuma with an all 10 inch main battery - is it a small dreadnought? Is it a large cruiser? The arguments would be lovely to witness.

    • @genericpersonx333
      @genericpersonx333 2 роки тому +4

      Mind, the difference in hitting power between 12'' and 10'' guns was enough that you really wanted the 12'' guns to be sure of landing the lethal blows to the citadel. A 12'' shell is something like 300 pounds heavier on average and it is remarkable just how tough it was for even 12'' shells to get through battleships of the age. An all-10'' gun armament would greatly limit their ability to really fight other battleships. However, as you infer, it also meant that like all predreadnought battleships, Satsumas had the same problem of confusing aim by having competing falls of shot. However, they at least could be engaging more dreadnoughts at competitive ranges than most predreadnoughts that could never hope to get close enough to actually use most of their weapons.

    • @5peciesunkn0wn
      @5peciesunkn0wn 2 роки тому

      @@mikeynth7919 Would have been considered a heavily armed cruiser or possibly a 'german style' battlecruiser (battleship armor, cruiser guns).

    • @ArcFixer
      @ArcFixer 2 роки тому +1

      In WW2 Japan had different colored dyes in each caliber of shell. The splashes of each caliber were tinted the same color. I reckon they did prior to that as well.
      See Drach's vid on the Battle Off Samar.

    • @5peciesunkn0wn
      @5peciesunkn0wn 2 роки тому

      @@ArcFixer Not in the 1910s. Dyepacks like that only came about around the 1930s.

  • @stephanbateman5410
    @stephanbateman5410 2 роки тому +3

    Love these 5 mins (or so) vids.

  • @captaincharlemagne
    @captaincharlemagne 2 роки тому +5

    Thanks for video this is the time I heard of these ships

  • @spencerderosier6649
    @spencerderosier6649 Рік тому

    These and the lord Nelsons are in my humble opinion the most fascinating ships.

  • @yaroslavkalyuta63
    @yaroslavkalyuta63 2 роки тому +4

    Great content, as always! Please consider making video about Estonian submarines Lembit and Kalev. Lembit (built in 1934) is still in existance and is now a museum ship in Tallinn.

  • @ralphbennett8575
    @ralphbennett8575 2 роки тому +11

    Thank god you are back on ships

  • @terencewong-lane4309
    @terencewong-lane4309 2 роки тому

    My favourite; feeling I've waited years for this guide!

  • @backinblack03
    @backinblack03 2 роки тому +23

    IJN Satsuma, the heaviest armoured citrus to ever sail the high seas

  • @riverraven7359
    @riverraven7359 2 роки тому +6

    Going out to a one-sided gunfight with Nagato is fair enough, but Nagato and Friends is a pretty good excuse for why you are on the seabed.

  • @thatsme9875
    @thatsme9875 2 роки тому +6

    just wondering when you would release a new episode, when up it pops! please keep them coming Drach

    • @WALTERBROADDUS
      @WALTERBROADDUS 2 роки тому +1

      What do you mean wondering? He has a pretty regular schedule.

  • @thehorselesshussar9813
    @thehorselesshussar9813 2 роки тому

    Lord I remember Cuniberti from my research! The name alone brings back memories!

  • @JJbm4233
    @JJbm4233 2 роки тому

    This is one of those amazing ships like the original HMS, Hermes, Britain’s first purpose built aircraft carrier. Perhaps not the most illustrious careers, but very definitive in the future of modern navies. Hell, if USS Ranger got a video of its own, the original HMS Hermes deserves one.

  • @WALTERBROADDUS
    @WALTERBROADDUS 2 роки тому +8

    😏 when we think about rapid development just consider that today is the anniversary of the Wright brothers first flight in 1903. And by 1914 , people were taking flying machines to war.

    • @morriganmhor5078
      @morriganmhor5078 2 роки тому

      What flight? Do you mean that soccer field hopping?

    • @stuartpeacock8257
      @stuartpeacock8257 2 роки тому

      Mind blowing

    • @WALTERBROADDUS
      @WALTERBROADDUS 2 роки тому +2

      @@morriganmhor5078 it wasn't the longest flight in history. But it was the first.

    • @5peciesunkn0wn
      @5peciesunkn0wn 2 роки тому +2

      @@morriganmhor5078 Like the other nations had anything better at the time lol. The Wright Brothers got proper flights going within the next year.

    • @5peciesunkn0wn
      @5peciesunkn0wn 2 роки тому +2

      Civil War vets got to watch mankind go from "flying" in balloons to flying airplanes.

  • @Aelxi
    @Aelxi 2 роки тому +34

    So you're telling me that this ship doesn't come with 20 inch guns?!??!!?
    This is outrageous, it's unfair!

  • @BIG-DIPPER-56
    @BIG-DIPPER-56 2 роки тому

    Very Good - Thanks ! ! !
    🙂😎👍

  • @SkilledOutdoorsman
    @SkilledOutdoorsman 2 роки тому +3

    >Ahead of their time when they were laid down
    >Outdated by the time they were commissioned
    Ouch

  • @bjturon
    @bjturon 2 роки тому +2

    Nice looking class, would have been cool to see them modernization as coastal defense battleships. I think the Washington Naval Treaty should have ignored the older predreadnought ships and focus on limiting new construction within the established ratio. Japan may have felt less threatened and insulted if she could have disposed of her older ships in her own way and time, some of them could have proved useful as a home defense fleet, escort, and training vessels.

    • @drewjohnson-85
      @drewjohnson-85 2 роки тому +1

      I can see your point but I really don’t think the Washington or London Naval Treaties would have worked even if revised they where fundamentally broken because of so many reasons: lack of ability to enforce, the fact that on the face of it it looks like it favors the United States and the United Kingdom but in reality they actually favored the Imperial Japanese Navy because it gave them the illusion that they could actually win a war with the American Navy, and the fact That is essentially they tried to enforce entropy, WW2 might have been less drastic if those stupid treaties hadn’t been put in place.

  • @iankerridge5720
    @iankerridge5720 2 роки тому

    If you want to see the upper deck of the RAF Museum Hendon's Short Sunderland, check out Military Aviation History Channel. Christoph was granted exclusive access up there. You can only get to the lower deck of that Lovely Lady!

  • @jessemilstead810
    @jessemilstead810 2 роки тому

    12-10in guns and 4-12in guns is a a lot of fire power ! I know these are not only guns with shorter barrels but the powder being used wasn’t even close to what was used in the interwar period and ww2.

  • @jasonz7788
    @jasonz7788 2 роки тому

    Great work Sir thank you

  • @VintageCarHistory
    @VintageCarHistory 2 роки тому +2

    Wooooot!

  • @HistoryNeedsYou
    @HistoryNeedsYou 2 роки тому +6

    So, who would win in a battle betwixt IJN Satsuma and a Royal Navy squadron comprised of HMS Orange, HMS Clementina and HMS Princess of Orange? We should add HNLMS Prins van Oranje as a Brucie Bonus too! 🍊🍊🍊🍊

    • @20chocsaday
      @20chocsaday 2 роки тому

      I think that the Satsuma would have been forced to the bottom of a stocking by Christmas.

  • @Theonixco
    @Theonixco 2 роки тому

    Imagine having to rebuild one of these during over the summer In Finland. The sheer amount of Kilju you'd have to make to finance it.

  • @randyfant2588
    @randyfant2588 2 роки тому +2

    One thing that always confused me was, they Tsukuba and Ibuki classes were both laid down about the same time as Satsuma and were planed at the same time. These 4 ships were "Armored Cruisers" each armed with 2 twin 12" turrets. that's 16 guns used on Armored Cruisers instead. Why did the Japanese Navy think it was better to arm these ships with limited numbers of 12" guns and alter their big expensive battleships when they could have simply substituted the 10" turrets onto them with very little change and use these 16 12" guns to complete the big expensive Satsuma class to spec? Nothing in the operations of the 4 cruisers would have really been different in the end. This seems to be a major screwup on their part.

    • @archimedesnation
      @archimedesnation 10 місяців тому

      The "dreadnought" version of satsuma required a dozen 12in guns, so they would build one ship instead of four. And they needed numbers after 1905. Plus, the concept of the all big gun battleship was untested, whereas armored cruisers had performed admirably against the russians. Last, the ships weren't useless, especially the Ibukis. When it came to firepower they were 2/3 of a typical early british battlecruiser and a bit better protected. If Spee had Ibukis instead of Sharnhorsts, he might have gotten away or even won.

  • @aidanacebo9529
    @aidanacebo9529 2 роки тому

    you can sail IJN settsu in War Thunder! it's her 1920 modification though. it's nice if you're tired of the whimsical nature of WoWS.

  • @samstewart4807
    @samstewart4807 2 роки тому +3

    Hi, a great video. re there detailed reports / photos/ video of this death by target practice event?

  • @lewiswestfall2687
    @lewiswestfall2687 2 роки тому

    thanks

  • @ricardokowalski1579
    @ricardokowalski1579 2 роки тому

    Solid content

  • @liberteus
    @liberteus 2 роки тому

    everytime there's an IJN ship I'm like "ok, so... when did it sink? 43? 44?"

  • @r1le17
    @r1le17 2 роки тому +1

    REVIEW. Could you please review the USS Carmick DD-493/DMS-33? My grandpa served on her during the Korean war. I believe in one of the 5" gun batteries. Thank you. Either way I really enjoy your work. You do a great job

  • @mikepette4422
    @mikepette4422 2 роки тому +13

    Its a ship ! and its Japanese ! No i mean it's REALLY Japanese not British in origin
    The best semi-dreadnaught ever built ?

    • @davidwright7193
      @davidwright7193 2 роки тому

      No they are clearly pre-dreadnaughts not semi-dreadnaughts. The armour, engines, top speed and armament are all comparable to the wobbly 8 rather than Dreadnaught. They lack any feature that would classify them as Dreadnaught’s. The best semi-Dreadnaughts are probably something like USS South Carolina or USS Texas which have most but not all of the defining features of a Dreadnaught.

    • @mahbriggs
      @mahbriggs 2 роки тому

      @David Wright
      I agree that USS Texas is not a Dreadnought!
      It is a Super Dreadnought!
      As far as whether the Satsuma is a semi-dreadnought, it's original design makes it one! And I would point out that the South Carolina's gun layout was superior to the Dreadnought's!
      Even after the British adopted the inline gun layout, they still couldn't fire them over each other, due to the fact they were using an outdated turret sighting system. The American ships could do so from the beginning! The first Britishship that could superfire along the axis was the HMS Hood! So much for the vaunted British superiority in design!

  • @tommedlicott6250
    @tommedlicott6250 2 роки тому +2

    Ooo!

  • @joewright2304
    @joewright2304 Рік тому +2

    Just out of curiosity. Would she still have been considered a semi dreadnought had her armament been all 10 inch guns.

    • @joewright2304
      @joewright2304 10 місяців тому

      I don't see why not. The first German dreadnought were armed with an all eleven inch main battery.

  • @sargepent9815
    @sargepent9815 2 роки тому

    I'm sure it'll be another purchasable ship in World of Warships

  • @jeebusk
    @jeebusk 2 роки тому

    Hugo, Congo and Nagato are names I recognize.

  • @christophpoll784
    @christophpoll784 2 роки тому +3

    No! Brains, stop that!
    Why did I just think "that looks like an interesting ship to make a model from!"... AGAIN!
    Damn this curse of a list that is imposed on all of us hobby-modelists...
    Very nice video btw!

  • @Aelvir114
    @Aelvir114 2 роки тому +1

    1:18 The fact Wargaming skips the Tier III Italian battleship that easily could’ve been that is so disappointing.

    • @RedXlV
      @RedXlV 2 роки тому

      That was when it first got obvious that Wargaming was penny-pinching by skipping low-tier ships.
      It used to be that battleship lines always started at Tier 3, Destroyers at Tier 2, and Cruisers at Tier 1. Now they routinely skip lower tiers even when one or more obvious candidates exist to fill it. The Pan-Asia cruiser line, for example, had no reason to skip tiers 2-4, which unlike tiers 6-10 could've had real rather than made-up cruisers fill them. The 2nd US battleship line could also have easily been a full line spanning tiers 3-10 instead of a mini-line from only 8-10. The Russian CL/CA split could've kept Kirov in the tech tree (instead of becoming one of *4* Tier 5 Soviet premium cruisers) and had the CA line start at Tier 4.

  • @redjacc7581
    @redjacc7581 2 роки тому

    i cannot believe there is still no IJN Yubari :P

  • @kaltaron1284
    @kaltaron1284 2 роки тому +2

    You said that they had Krupp steel armour. Does that mean that they bought and shipped the steel plates from Germany or were they able to produce steel of similar quality locally?

    • @chadthundercock5641
      @chadthundercock5641 2 роки тому

      They bought it, they sure as fuck weren't able to produce it locally

    • @WALTERBROADDUS
      @WALTERBROADDUS 2 роки тому +1

      @@chadthundercock5641 what do you base that on?

    • @chadthundercock5641
      @chadthundercock5641 2 роки тому +5

      @@WALTERBROADDUS It was revealed to me in a dream.

    • @Aelxi
      @Aelxi 2 роки тому +2

      If I remember correctly, some German companies are already trading Krupp making process and equipment as far as 1903(?). Even before that, Krupp supplied military equipment to Japanese, which I think back in 1853(?) There are also various trade agreements with some German steel companies. But I think the Japanese started producing it locally somewhere around 1920s(?).

    • @kaltaron1284
      @kaltaron1284 2 роки тому +1

      @@Aelxi Thank you. I tried a few quick searches but it looks like finding good sources on this isn't easy.
      And if I understood it correctly we are talking about Krupp cemented steel already at that point in time.
      Shipping all that stuff can't have been cheap. No wonder Japan's budget was as unbalanced as it was. Still better than ending up like China I guess.

  • @robertslugg8361
    @robertslugg8361 2 роки тому +3

    You'd think an Island Nation like Japan would be more conscious of raw materials and would save the scrap for future use rather than sending it to the bottom.

    • @RedXlV
      @RedXlV 2 роки тому

      Gunnery training is still important, and shooting up a real battleship means you're not only training crews, you're also testing your shells to make sure they work properly. As well as getting a better understanding of how to improve your armor scheme on future battleships.

  • @mattblom3990
    @mattblom3990 2 роки тому

    It would be cool to see her in World of Warships. As a super cruiser of some sort heavily min-maxed. Hey, as Drach recently proved, the 8" anti-aircraft Iowa-class that WoW is introducing WAS feasible. Why not Satsuma?

  • @Trek001
    @Trek001 2 роки тому +1

    Was the _Satsuma_ ever included in War Plan Orange?

  • @Alex-ws9lr
    @Alex-ws9lr 2 роки тому

    Either canarias class cruiser or the almirante Cervera story please 🥺

  • @Scarheart76
    @Scarheart76 2 роки тому +1

    So, the ships committed ritual suicide rather than be submitted to the inglorious trip to the scrapyard.

  • @Digmen1
    @Digmen1 2 роки тому

    Tome having 12 ans 10" guns is madness. The shell splashes would be very similar.

    • @vikkimcdonough6153
      @vikkimcdonough6153 2 роки тому

      Would they _actually've_ been that similar? Even with just a 2-inch caliber difference, the _Satsumas'_ 12" shells were still nearly two thirds again as heavy as their 10" shells.

    • @RedXlV
      @RedXlV 2 роки тому

      @@vikkimcdonough6153 At the distances you'd start firing on the enemy, yes. It'd still be similar enough to present a problem.

  • @andrewcross1469
    @andrewcross1469 2 роки тому

    Satsuma, Aki boom boom down... Da da da.

  • @SonOfAB_tch2ndClass
    @SonOfAB_tch2ndClass 2 роки тому

    Not to be confused with the Tier 11 Ultra Yamato class Battleship

  • @bigblue6917
    @bigblue6917 2 роки тому

    So the Dreadnought won a close run race. What with the Satsuma and the South Carolina.

  • @davidwright7193
    @davidwright7193 2 роки тому +4

    So Satsuma didn’t have a uniform main battery, didn’t have turbine engines and had a top speed below 20 Knots. Why are these considered early dreadnaughts again.

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 2 роки тому +2

      The Japanese wanted to have a uniform main battery, they just ran out of money.

    • @davidwright7193
      @davidwright7193 2 роки тому

      @@bkjeong4302 No they didn’t “run out of money” they were unable to manufacture enough 12 inch guns. A very different thing and why the follow on class were only semi-Dreadnaughts not true Dreadnaught’s either.

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 2 роки тому +1

      @@davidwright7193
      The point remains that the Japanese wanted to build her as a dreadnought and not as a semi-dreadnought.

    • @davidwright7193
      @davidwright7193 2 роки тому

      @@bkjeong4302 no she wasn’t a semi-Dreadnaught she was a classic pre-Dreadnaught as built similar to the King Edward class and arguably inferior to the Lord Nelson class. Had the Japanese wanted a semi-Dreadnaught they would have built one with a uniform 10 inch armament. The fact remains the IJN never built a classic Dreadnaught with their first ship with a uniform main battery being the Fuso super Dreadnaughts.
      For a ship to be considered a semi-Dreadnaught it needs to have some but not all of the characteristics of a Dreadnaught which are a uniform main battery allowing central fire control (the Kawasaki’s lack this), turbine propulsion (lacking on the South Carolina’s and every US ship from then to Texas) giving a high sustained cruising speed, and a top speed of over 20 knots. Satsuma has none of this

    • @togmor6225
      @togmor6225 2 роки тому +2

      @@davidwright7193 The defining feature sought by the different navies was a uniform (mostly around 12") all-big-gun armament on a reasonably armored hull. What kind of propulsion system to be used was of secondary concern at best. Steam turbines of that size and power rating were just gaining traction, if you will, and also still had their shortcomings in durability and fuel economy compared to triple expansion steam engines.

  • @zackakai5173
    @zackakai5173 2 роки тому

    Christ, all the people in the comments) who have apparently ONLY ever encountered the word "satsuma" (which is pronounced more like "SAH-tsu-ma" or "SAH-ts-ma") referring to an orange. Shockingly, the ships were not, in fact, named after oranges. In fact that fruit isn't even called a satsuma in Japan, it's called a mikan. The ships were named after the historic Satsuma province in what is today Kagoshima prefecture (waaaay down at the extreme southwestern end of the main Japanese archipelago, on Kyushu). Meanwhile if you went to Japan today and asked for a satsuma, what you'd actually get is a sweet potato.

  • @kylecarmichael5890
    @kylecarmichael5890 2 роки тому

    Heavy sigh, sent to the bottom by friendly ships.

  • @OhYeaMista
    @OhYeaMista 2 роки тому

    I learned a new word today. “Quantinary”

  • @stuartpeacock8257
    @stuartpeacock8257 2 роки тому

    Important landmark ships nonetheless

  • @McRocket
    @McRocket Рік тому

    So...from then on.
    Had things been different.
    All battleships would be forever classed as either 'pre-Satsumas' or 'Satsumas'?
    Weird.

  • @warroompainstate2661
    @warroompainstate2661 2 роки тому

    So, they built two ships. They sailed around for 9 to 10 years as second rates and then offered up as lambs to a naval conference slaughter?
    Did I get this right?

  • @mabiwarrior
    @mabiwarrior 2 роки тому

    I thought Imperial Japan didn't use prefixes on their ship names

  • @ericgrace9995
    @ericgrace9995 2 роки тому

    Didn't the Royal Navy develop the Granny Smith class to counter these ?

  • @robertmatch6550
    @robertmatch6550 2 роки тому

    Arigato

  • @ericandre6766
    @ericandre6766 2 роки тому +1

    The SETSU served as target ship until about 1944 . Testimony of a pilot of dive'bomber .
    t

  • @mahbriggs
    @mahbriggs 2 роки тому

    This is why criticizing Admiral Fisher for tge Dreadnaught race is silly!
    The Japanese were very close to one, and were planning to build an all big gun ship!
    The US Navy had the designs for one, and were only months behind the British, and had a superior gun layout to boot!
    The all big gun Battleship was comming!

    • @davidwright7193
      @davidwright7193 2 роки тому

      Yes the US was only months behind the RN with its first all big gun ship. 37 months to be precise. Seems more like 3 years to me. The South Carolina only just beat the 3rd RN generation of Dreadnaughts into commission.

    • @mahbriggs
      @mahbriggs 2 роки тому

      @David Wright
      I guess you missed my point!
      If the British hadn't done it first, the Americans or the Japanese would have done it! In fact, both planned to do it before the British decided to! Their plans, which were not secret, forced the British, to do it first!
      I don't think this is any great revelation!

    • @RedXlV
      @RedXlV 2 роки тому

      @@davidwright7193 That's because American shipyards were at the time a good deal slower than the British ones.
      The fact remains that by starting the race as soon as possible, Fisher gave the British a huge head start in the construction of dreadnoughts. A lead that Britain never relinquished until the Washington Naval Treaty forced everybody to put the race on hold for a decade.

  • @merlinwizard1000
    @merlinwizard1000 2 роки тому

    110th, 17 December 2022

  • @chadthundercock5641
    @chadthundercock5641 2 роки тому +3

    And her sister ships, Blood and Nectarine

  • @jaydeister9305
    @jaydeister9305 2 роки тому

    "seems trite, but did any Japanese battleships survive WW2?"

    • @peterdrieen6852
      @peterdrieen6852 2 роки тому +4

      The Nagato immediately comes to mind, she was sunk in a nuclear test after the war

    • @gerardmdelaney
      @gerardmdelaney 2 роки тому +2

      Mikasa.

  • @nuts4ships
    @nuts4ships 2 роки тому

    The IJN Satsuma, a "plum" of a semi-dreadnought battleship.

  • @Simon_de_Cornouailles
    @Simon_de_Cornouailles 2 роки тому

    A ship that does not have much a-peel..

  • @bobbenson6825
    @bobbenson6825 2 роки тому +4

    The fact that a battleship is named after a mandarin orange variant makes me laugh every time.

    • @bluemarlin8138
      @bluemarlin8138 2 роки тому +1

      They’re delicious, but they don’t exactly inspire fear of fiery destruction.

    • @sadams12345678
      @sadams12345678 2 роки тому +3

      No, the ship was named after the former Satsuma Province on the island of Kyushu in southern Japan. Oh and the orange is also named after that same province.

  • @cartmann94
    @cartmann94 2 роки тому +1

    IJN to Graf Spee: Have a Satsuma! Have a fucking Satsuma 🍊!

  • @bighairyfoot1217
    @bighairyfoot1217 Рік тому

    .. I'll Bet They Farted a Lot Being Aboard One Of Those Things..

  • @inselandy
    @inselandy 2 роки тому

    Any my Summer car players Here?

  • @星夜タカデナ
    @星夜タカデナ Рік тому

    この画像ってまさか薩摩型準弩級戦艦かな?

  • @davidwright7193
    @davidwright7193 2 роки тому +1

    Remember small ones are more juicy.

  • @45641560456405640563
    @45641560456405640563 2 роки тому +2

    Interesting ships.

  • @warroompainstate2661
    @warroompainstate2661 2 роки тому

    Japanese ships have to much pride to be scrapped. Give me a warriors death!!!!?

  • @ciuyr2510
    @ciuyr2510 2 роки тому

    expensive target practice

  • @davidthefirst6195
    @davidthefirst6195 2 роки тому +1

    There was me thinking Satsumas where a type of orange

    • @zackakai5173
      @zackakai5173 2 роки тому +1

      Nope, name of a historic province in what's now Kagoshima (at least I assume that's what the ship was named after). Although if you went to Japan today and asked for a satsuma, what you'd get is a sweet potato.

  • @stevegrepps4600
    @stevegrepps4600 2 роки тому

    USS Orca