Gore-tex Gen 1 is better than Gen 2 U.S. Military ECWCS Parka
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I don’t care how light and packable the newer stuff is. I’m never getting rid of my woodland cold wet weather parka.
Especially, since the price of them has gone up over the past few years. Definitely hold on to them.
I love these longer form videos you guys do where you talk about gear while doing an outdoor excursion/overnight. I'm sure it takes much longer for you guys to make, but they are really entertaining. Thanks!
Thanks for the encouragement, UrDoinItWrong! It's a hit or miss with some viewers, but it's how we like it too!
I have the Gen 1 jacket and pants and agree with you on the lining. Also love the Woodland pattern. I have newer generations in different patterns as well. To me in warmer weather that lack of lining causes me to sweat as bad or worse than regular rain gear. Even though in theory the sweat vapor will be evaporated through the Goretex there is much more vapor to get rid of. Rainy day here so this an appropriate video. Thanks guys! One of these days I’m going to make a trip to that river there and experience it for myself. Just a long hike from here in southwest Alabama, LOL! Take care and see you in the next video.
In 1995, we just called them the Gortex parka and the Gortex trousers. They were $249.99 at the PX. Each. They were NOT issued to most Marines and they were highly prized both by those that owned them and those that did not. To own a pair at that time was essentially half a month’s pay for a non-rate.
What gloves are the both of you using? The ones in the M81 camo.
The liner helped warm you too, it actually absorbs some body heat. They brought the liner back on the ACU version, and if i recall it was in the multicam too, but i can not confirm as i had to turn in all my multicam stuff except the combat shirts as I didnt deploy with that gear. Theres a bunch of the multicam I would have liked to keep like the cold weather boots and 3 day pack, they were both good gear and much better than the ACU versions that were the original of both.
I've always liked the liner for it being a layer between the skin and jacket and for it helping to insulate. What cold weather boots were you issued? We use the USMC RAT temperate weather boots as well as the Belleville MCB 950 GoreTex mountain combat boots.
I really can't recall, I had that stuff issued for like a month and then they cut the number of my MOS 91E for that deployment they issued it to me for so I immediately turned it in. I just looked up mountain issue boots and think it was Wellco M760 from what I recall them looking like. The Bates 990 look alot the other set. Also to make your jacket more packable just fold in sleeves, fold that in from left and right to centre, roll it up and stuff in hood, comes out a bit smaller than a football and quick deploys by grabbing front of hood and giving it a drop thrust.
Which companys produce the original Woodland Gen 1 Parka? Can anyone Name all pls!!
Great video! I’ve got the Gen 1 parka, hood ruff, and pants and love them also. I’m glad you talked about the woodland camo gloves! That was one of the first things I noticed at the start of the video and wanted to know more about them because I hadn’t seen those before. Thank you!
It is incredibly hard to find ANY info on these gloves!
The Gen 1 was just an overall better construction and quality over the Gen2. Gen 2 was made to be more affordable not an improvement over Gen 1. I have an original issue Gen 1 that’s almost 30 years old and it’s almost like new. I add different fill Northface puff jackets underneath for varying cold temperatures.
10:03 is there a way to get rid of this thing because it looks terrible. I would rather prefer a normal hood without that aesthetically unpleasing piece
Without ripping (cutting) the seams, I don't think so.
Dang that’s a difficult one. When I served back in 2008, I loved that gen 1 parka in M81 woodland. But at the same time, I’m open to the changing times. My hobby now is researching and visiting surplus stores and checking out all the new gear that I never got to use. Couple shops up near Ft Bragg are loaded with the good stuff 👍🏼
We haven't been to the Bragg stores in a couple years now. They don't disappoint!
Austrian army took differemt approach. They made best ever M65 with goretex covered with polycottonn rugged outer shield and thin polyester liner inside. Österreich Bundesheer M65. It can be find new unissued for under $80. It looks way much better.
Great video I think it's the best Gen 1 parka review because you showed it being used and combined it with outdoor activities. I wish I had seen this video before buying the Gen 2 parka, I agree with the description of the Gen 2 parka sleeves being irritating to your forearms. To me I felt like my forearms were itching, and it feels a little smaller then the Gen 1 parka which feels like wearing a windbreaker in comparison. Please test out the M65 field jacket you would do a good and detailed review.?
We've got a couple of M-65's and we may just do a review on them!
Curly, what pack are you sporting in this video? Have you done a gear review on it? You also had a O.D. pack in a video months ago, i believe it was an USAF pack of some sorts....did you ever gear review that one? love the videos. Semper Fi (E-4 E. Robley 0311 3/3)
Curry :) That pack is the Eagle Industries Beavertail Assualt Pack. Here's a link showing our summertime loadout: ua-cam.com/video/5RJPNMMLFgU/v-deo.html SEMPER FI!
Great video, Sir. What is your height?
Picked up a gen 1 by Alpha Industries...that was 15 years ago, still going strong...minus 22 f here the other day so my ECWCS gets a lot of hard use...great piece of gear...thanks for the in depth comparison gentlemen...stay blessed...woods
-22...YIKES. Do you treat the DWR with anything or is still good to go? You're welcome and be blessed!
@@robertsbushcraft Well in a heavy rain the water soaks through.
When I take it on a canoe tour I'll give it a couple coats of silicone spray...that'll be good for a couple months...I have been thinking about getting one of those Hood Ruffs for sometime...reckon i need to do that....great content as always guys...woods
I find the Gen 1 jacket to be less windproof than I like. It's also hot in the summer even with the pit zips.
Improved Rainsuit for the win.
It is hot with the liner during the summer for sure! I going to get the improved rain suit at some point.
As I'm watching this it's -15F. I had some Swedish extreme cold military gear many years ago but gave it to Goodwill because I never used it. It was for arctic use and at the 46th parallel I didn't need that much. It was canvas externally with pile lining and quilted liners for the top and the pants. Too much. It looks like the gear you guys are wearing would do for around here in winter with headgear and pac style boots. Goretex always feels cold to the skin. I've never owned ECWCS gear but the Gen II looks good. Thanks for posting.
To me the Gore-Tex lining of Gen II is tacky on my skin. Almost sticks to ya in warmer weather.
Silks poly p and gen 1 72 below zero in Fairbanks 1999
Hello Robert. Can you list all the manufactors of These jackets.. Valley apperal, tennier..... Thx and Greets from Germany!
Hey great video! Not sure if you’ll read this, but what size are you wearing and is it a LONG or REGULAR size? Thank you and keep up the good work!🫡
Large Regular
The Airforce ABU is the best in my opinion. The first gen woodland are warmer for sure but not as waterproof or breathable from my experience. The first gen is a more "stand alone" peice of gear. The ABU is a a true shell... Great video, love to see the father and son together enjoying the outdoors🙌
Hey thanks for the input, @joshevolution369!
i notice the crown royal bag in the picture of you when you were active duty. we used crown royal bags when i was in, for ditty bags and mainly to carry our terrain model kits. what did you use yours for?
You know, I had not thought about that bag at all until this comment! My oh my, that was a time ago. Plastic army men, pencils, odds and ends for a terrain kit! Smokes, a lighter, there's no telling what else was stowed away in there!
I think the Gen II and Gen III use what Gore refers to on the consumer market as Gore Tex "Paclite". It is lighter weight and more packable, but it does not breath as well and it less durable than what Gore refers to as 3-Layer Gore Tex. Consumer jackets with the material like your Gen-I are far more expensive then the Paclite jackets. That Gen-I would likely run $500-$600 if brought to production today. That thing is a legit ski parka shell. I like it and would love to find one someday.
You're on to something concerning packability. The Beyond Clothing L4-L6 parka and pants can just about be stuffed down into a boot sock. The Gen 1 is nowhere near it. I think there is plenty of use left for these Gen 1's.
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I love my gen 1 parkas and pants I’ve got the same boots too there awesome I don’t use polypropylene mush anymore since I got the ADS silks and gridfleece and the fleece level 3 lol also the others i never get cold anymore much military wear is a no brainer lol !!
My biggest issue with the polypros is the amount of pilings! After a while it was like velcro, almost unwearable.
Tremendous information on the ECWCS parka. You helped me make my mind and look for one Gen-1 style. Good job.
Hey thanks, Steve! I appreciate that!
😅I love my Gen 1. More serviceable, I agree with all the parts you showed liner and the hood. The side pocket is for those cute little green waterproof notepads and pen. Warning like other Gortex products it looses its waterproofing. I found this out in a snowstorm during winter survival training. I now use it for hunting but the guys say its too noisy (picky, picky). I also like the USAF ABU but the interior green fleece is worthless. I wear the fleece from the GEN 1. The black/grey tiger stripe camo on the ABU you can hide out on any driveway in America
We use NikWax Tech Wash and TX Direct Wash-in to keep a good DWR.
Why didn't you smile in the photos?
Sir who manufactured the backpack you are wearing? Thank you
It's the Eagle Industries Beavertail Assault Pack
Hey guys really enjoyed getting into the outdoors with you again in this video. Was just thinking I don’t own one of those newly named assault pistols, however love my USMC assault pack in coyote Tan. Hope it doesn’t get ruled on as illegal due to its scary MOLLE webbing. Never know these days.
Thanks for explaining the difference had no idea that generation one had the lining like that. Do wish my Jen three had something like that, but only own pants. Likely more useful on the top. The extreme cold weather hood that you showed. Looks like the Shoremans hood that I have. There are a couple of variations. I lucked out buying a medium that fit just perfectly for someone that wears size 7 1/4 inch hat. Ordered a second one to try small and it’s larger than the medium. The best part about the first hood purchased has real fur in a color that looks like it could’ve come off of a raccoon with a bit of grays and brownish tint. The second one ordered came with bright white synthetic fur that was falling out like it needed Propecia. Could definitely tell the small which came bigger than the medium size was made to fit over a helmet. Pretty much every hooded garment in the military made larger for helmet use. Cheers BTW: kudos on the fantastic fire Gabriel!🎉
You know, that is my only real knock on the fur ruff attachment: color. White really stands out, and I aim to replace with real fur or synthetic if I can locate the type I'm looking for.
Where can I get those M81 gloves? Or can you tell me the actual name/how they’re referred to?
They are incredibly hard to find. Once in a blue moon a pair will pop up on Ebay and on sites in the EU. I can't see an NSN in the gloves nor can I see the manufacturer. Try searching for USGI Goretex ECWCS Woodland Camouflage Gloves in Google.
I believe we all have a Ma Duece pic, Brother! SF I too stand by Gen 1. Salty
LOL right on my friend, SF!
I have several pairs of gen one goretex pants and a pair or the quarpel woodland cold wet weather pants with that woobie liner lg reg these pants are tough and in excellent shape I’m looking for a level 3 coyote fleece jacket with the wrist closures I’m willing to trade if you’re interested the jacket is like the one you’re wearing dad lol
We'd part with our fingers before those coyote brown fleece jackets :)
Those USMC RAT boots are not meant for that weather those are hot weather desert boots
They did just fine! I do have a set of temperate weather RATs as well.
How should I go about washing this jacket?
By hand with warm water
IMO the Gore Tex Gloves made for use with the old Wool Gloves would be ideal for the ECWCS
Love that jacket and those gloves , I got a m65 with liner and cold weather flyers glove in OD green , but I would like to get that set someday , it would match my molle II rucksack in woodland camo
Gen 1 ECWCS and Brit’s MVP smock are my favourite surplus gore tex layer and lining is one of the main reasons. Especially the brit one, that thing has the best lining I’ve seen on any military issued gore-tex.
I've not seen one of those in hand. Is the liner thicker? Better materials?
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I dont like goretex near fire.....
So far, so good for us with that. I've never had it get hot enough for damage, and I wash the gear at least twice a year.
Where did you get the blue cup from me and my dad had a set like that for camping but he dosent remember where he got it at and I was looking to get some it was like a whole set plates cups and bowls
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Same happends with the late 80s gore tex jackets vs early mountanering jackets and everting using actual gore. Great video!
Hey thanks, Marco!
where I live (Chile) I just bought a new Gen 1 Large Regular jacket for only US$60 surplus from the Chilean Army since they use the Gen 3 Multicam Camo jacket under a new contract. The Gen 1 Jacket is wonderful since it was never worn and is very comfortable and warm. It is the version made by Tennessee Apparel Corp.
You got a great deal on that jacket!
Not sure if someone already said it but the gen2 has a version with that liner,it's the" extreme cold weather parka" and then there is the one that I think is called "the cold weather parka" that doesn't have the inner liner and then they have a thinner rain jacket thats not gortex.... I was lucky enough to pick up a full set of all three levels, including like 25 other pouches and kit for $30 a few years back 😅
You got a killer deal on that set, @HArdMovezGrAffiti!
I got the tru spec gen 2 and am not really impressed
I don't have any of the TRU SPEC gear. Do you have an idea how well it compares to issued gear?
@@robertsbushcraft i only have limited if I recall the parka is a tad thicker then the issued parka. My biggest issue is the zipper is attached to a thin piece of material that I can see tearing easy.
I still have mine from the early 90's and still use it today... I use the winter liner from the BDU Jacket if I need to get warmer. Nice comparison between the 2 gens.
It's great gear isn't it, @ferdinandjimenez346?
I just heard of using two liners in the M65 field jackets, has any body else heard of this??
Yes! Adding an additional liner increases the amount of insulation and it's wonderful
@@robertsbushcraft Great now I need to find the correct size so I can get another liner, my M65 is decades old and I still enjoy wearing it on a regular basis. The tags are all worn. My T shirts and button down shirts are XL, I think my M65 is Large Regular (if that was a military size, I don't remember). Also, regarding the ECWCS gen-1 you recommended, what is its temperature range, does it come with or need a liner? will it even take a liner?
Top notch video guys! Love my gen 1 gear. The gloves are super cool. Still available you think?
Those are incredibly hard to find!
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Greetings from South Korea.
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I agree 100%! Greetings from us to you!
Big Hello from Greensboro! How does Dad feel about the old m65 jacket!? I agree with Dad about the first Gen, been using mine since early 2001.
NC is the place to be, isn't it Ed! Dad says that the M65 is bombproof and is fantastic for beating around the woods in, protects you from briars in cutovers, and is a great addition to your preps. 100% on that one!
Moved down from Long Island in 85 and was relieved to find that at least back in the 80's it was like my neighborhood used to be like. Heck, Uhwarrie reminded me of my Catskills stomping grounds, perfect! And of course 2A very friendly!
@@robertsbushcraft I just wish fewer Real Yankees stopped moving down here for retirement LOL
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I agree 100%
I would love for someone to remake these in the bigger sizes. So hard to find anymore.
Ebay and Facebook Marketplace have been good to us.
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I have 3 of the gen. 1 jackets and a pair of the pants. The whole lot ive had since around '98. One is still brand new and i wouldnt get rid of for most anything
Is the DWR coasting still holding up?
@@robertsbushcraft they seem to do pretty well. We don't have terrible weather here, just hot and humid in summer and mostly mild winters . I'm in Alabama, USA. Sub tropical
How do these items fit? Up or down a size accordingly?
I think they are slightly larger than labeled. A large is generous on me.
I just purchased a Gen 1 in 3 color desert. I can't wait to get it. I was issued the Gen 1 Woodland back in the day and it was one of my favorite jackets. I didn't even know they made it in the 3 color desert until I stumbled upon a listing in eBay.
Jay, they even make one that is reversible from desert three color to woodland camo!
I wish UA-cam would notify us when we get replies 🙄
This video is the reason I chose a Gen 1 as well. I LOVE it!
It truly is my favorite Gen!
What is a function of Buton oN hood?
It allows for adding the fur ruff that helps block wind and snow.
Just got my Gen-1. It is used (in unissued condition). What do you think would be warmer (with no other layering) The Gen-1 ECWCS Parka or an M65 field Jacket with the add in liner?
Tough one, there! Overall in all weather conditions? The Gen 1 with the M65 liner would be my choice between the two. The Gen 1 offers rain and wind protection where the M65 field jacket does not. So, for me, I'd take the Gen 1.
@@robertsbushcraft Hi Roberts Bushcraft, I watch your video's frequently and I learn a lot. Well I just ordered the level 3 fleece liner jacket (new with tags). The Gore-Tex is definitely not Thinsulate or Polar Tec. It should not be marketed as ECWCS (Extreme Cold Weather Clothing System) There is nothing Extreme cold about it. Gore-Tex is just the best material for a raincoat. I was hoping the Parka was for like Antarctica, I was a little disappointed. The level 3 liner jacket is Polar Tec. Hopefully that is warmer than the M65 and the field jacket liner. I did learn about one additional compartment that was not in your video about the Gen1 Parka. FYI Inside the left sleeve pocket on the Gen-1 is what appears to be a Bic lighter pocket. Keep up the great videos.
@@arlenewolf5260 the ECWCS (Extended Cold Weather Clothing System) is meant to be worn in layers (base, middle, outer). You're 100% correct, the Gore-Tex jacket is pretty much just a windproof and waterproof outer shell. In this case, the Gen 1 has a thin liner in it, which I prefer over the newer generations. In this video, you can see that I am wearing the Polartec 300 fleece layer (coyote brown) beneath the Gore-Tex and I do prefer that layering over the M-65 field jacket. Two options come to mind for an Antartica-type expedition: ECWCS Happy Suit with Gore-Tex outer shell, or perhaps the Extreme Cold Weather Parka N-3B.
@@robertsbushcraft I am familiar with Thinsulate from wearing quality cold weather jackets at the PD. I am retired now. I am surprised the M65 liners do not appear to be equal to Thinsulate (they might be somewhat close, but I do not think it is equal). Do you think the M65 liner or the Polartec 300 is better? Also I am surprised, the M65 has provisions for attaching a liner and the ECWCS parka does not. Although I do not live in Antarctica, I am interested in the best (warmest) surplus parka I can get. I am deciding weather to have a tailor set up the parka with attachment points for an M65 liner (or two), or possibly the Polartec 300. Please keep this dialog going with me. Hopefully I can set up my ECWCS parka to be somewhat amazing. Thank you.
I prefer the Polartec 300 fleece over the M65 liner. I think that weight is just a bit warmer than the M65 liner and you can wear the Polartec as a stand alone jacket in public. Adding some buttons to that parka is easy and you can even add them on the cuff of the sleeves. Just sew the buttons on the wrist strap so you don't puncture the Gore-Tex. My oldest son is a deputy with our county Sheriff's office and I am very proud of him. Thank you for your years of service!
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Many thanks! I love that hat!
What hat is your son wearing in this video?
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Right on. Thanks!!!
Well, I'm not seeing any change for the better on the 2nd generation. Lol.
Other than being able to pack it down smaller, there really isn't (in my opinion).
We love the cold…🤢🤮
Well...it's cold to us Carolina boys :)