You are absolutely right. I had more control in pathfinder school than Jumpmaster school. I graduated pathfinder school APR2023 and I’m currently in Jumpmaster and I was on an emotional rollercoaster with JMPI. I passed on my 5th attempt.
I attended the PF course at the Sabalauski Air Assault School at Fort Campbell, KY in 2021. I wholeheartedly agree with you. It was very challenging. The amount of information you were expected to learn every single day was incredible. It definitely sounds like each school teaches these courses slightly different. I personally thought the Sling Load Inspections portion of the course was more challenging, but that may just be my unique experience. We lost incredibly intelligent students every single day during every gate of the course. It was one of the most stressful Army Schools I’ve ever attended. That being said, having graduated I am so content with the effort I put in. I proudly wear my Pathfinder badge and have an immense amount of respect for anyone who has earned it too. I attend the USASOC JM Course in July. I watched your other video and am excited to see how it compares to my experience. You didn’t mention the rigex, but my friends have told me to start practicing for white slip. I’m definitely going to take your advice and start memorizing all the nomenclature and pre-jump now. Looking forward to this course! Really hope to walk away “dual qualified” too!
Well I’m in the Guard and went through a Guard JM school, so we didn’t have a rigex graded or white slip to go to. We just showed up and sent it. But everything you said was spot on. I feel like slingloads were easier for me because I had already been through JM and Air Assault, so I had gotten really good at inspections. Still almost failed though.lol. Good luck!
Just came across this video, seems that there has been some evolution to these schools. I went through pfdr in oct 85 and jm in Jun 86, I'd agree with most of the comments pfdr being much more difficult. I graduated in the middle of the class, in jm I excelled being "attention to detail" type and was honor grad for the class. JMPI was the hardest part but passed that first time through. I think the schools are harder now but with videos like this you can be better prepared when you show up!! Keep up the great content!
Pathfinder school - for me - was relatively simple. But for good reason - I went through Pathfinder in 1984, as a young Army Reservist. I was assigned to the 5th Pathfinder Platoon at Ft Meade, MD. At the time, most of the NCOs in the unit were Vietnam Veterans, with varied combat experiences. My Team Sergeant ("Doc" - he was a Combat Medic in the 1st Cav Div in Vietnam, as well as having been part of the 82d Abn Div. I joined the 5th Pathfinders in 1983, and Doc ran me through the paces. Nobody was sent to Ft Benning for Pathfinder school until the NCOs of the platoon agreed that a team member was ready. Land Nav training was constant, with different challenges set in the way. I did DZs and HLZs, Doc often putting me in charge of establishing and setting my team members to work. Sling loading was another task we often practiced. Sling loading - One weekend the 5th Pathfinders was tasked to come to the Pentagon and sling load huge HVAC units to the roof. A CH-47 was tasked, came collected us, and we flew to the Pentagon and spent an afternoon Reserve drill sling loading gear on the Pentagon! Great - and different - experience. The summer of 1984, Doc felt that I was ready for Pathfinder school, and so I made the drive down to Ft Benning. Having gone through Airborne school in 1981, it was nice being back. The Pathfinder course - in my opinion - was challenging in that there were a number of academic requirements in order to pass. First day was Land Nav course. Two tries to pass. Fail the second time, and you're out of the course. We were required to pass evaluations 1) as Team Leader on a field problem, 2) as an Assistant Team Leader on a field problem, 3) demonstrate proficiency in communication with an aircraft in flight (and guiding it in to your HLZ). Because of how I was pushed by my unit prior to Pathfinder school, I passed each task. Doc helped instill me with confidence. Jump Master school. I eventually enlisted Active Duty and served in 5th Special Forces Group (I was an Intelligence Analyst, not a tabbed SF guy), and made the trip to Ft Benning for the JM course. This was in 1996, and I had been on jump status both Reserve and Active Duty for 15 years. Several of the JM guys I served with all recommended that I study nothing as far as the nomenclature exam, which was administered on day 1 of JM school. I was told that the nomenclatures frequently change and that I needed to study the charts we were given when we reported to the JM school. I studied my ass off, and the following day passed the nomenclature test. It was my understanding, at the time, that this was a requirement to continue on the course. While Pathfinder school was academically challenging, Jump Master school was extremely stressful. The "BIG" thing which dropped students was that infamous JMPI exam. In '96 the standard was JMPI test in the morning. Fail your JMPI, then you get one re-test in the afternoon. Fail this, and you were dropped from the course and sent home. And the fact was, there were several students in my JM class who had returned for 1st, 2d, or even 3rd try. Good Troops too.
Joined in 1973 went to Basic, Infantry and jump school in Ft Benning then air assault in Ft Chaffee then pathfinder back in Ft Bennng. Then Ranger School all in the first 14 mos in the Army. I was 17 and crazy. The shitt we do when we Are Young and dumb. Or just plain crazy! CSM Chapa
I graduated Jumpmaster School in Nov '06 and Pathfinder School in Nov "07, both were taught by HHC 1-507th PIR at Benning and both were the normal three week versions... I can say without any reservation that Pathfinder School was more difficult, and Jumpmaster School was way more stressfully. It was more stressful because you knew after day one that you would never be fast enough to pass JMPI in the five minutes you were given (so we thought). It was a self-inflicted mental stress. We were the 2nd class of the FY when I went to jumpmaster school and we had no idea when we arrived that the Nomenclature exam would include both the old T-10/ MC-1 style harness and the new MC-6 (SF-10 main w/ T-11 reserve) style harness, and that going forward, we were to learn two different sequences simultaneously. Up to this point Jumpmasters students were allowed only a single retest after a JMPI failure. Our class was allowed a 2nd retest if you maintained at least an 80% on all exams prior to JMPI test day, of course most people would not get the 80% on the Nomenclature exam because we were unaware of the change to the POI prior to attending. I was able to eek out an 80% on the first exam, somehow and was eligible to receive the 2nd retest. I had partially torn the ligament in the elbow of my working hand just prior to the course, so every time I would jam my hand down into those tight JM school rigs, it was like someone jammed an ice pick into my elbow, this made my experience seem much more difficult. We would draw training rigs from the school house on weekends to practice our JMPI in order to get faster, which seemed like a futile effort at the time, especially with the condition of my elbow. I told myself I could live with failing JMPI on time, if I did everything else right, and ended up failing the course. I failed on time by well over a minute my first attempt, which was the first test I had ever failed in the Army, but I could live with that, because its an unrealistic time standard that you will never be held to again, and any jumper I had inspected would be good to go. Now I would go balls out to pass it, but after a recovering from multiple sequence violations on the reserve of the second jumper on attempt two, I missed a major and failed it again. The 3rd and final attempt would be the one and i would pass with about two seconds left. As for Pathfinder school, like most Army schools I attended, every test or exam receives only a single retest. The final written exam at Pathfinder school was the big one that everybody talks about. In 2007 it was 50 questions, 10 each in five different categories. You had 75 minutes to complete the entire test. If you failed one section, you would retest that one section, if you failed two sections you would retake those two sections, three or more sections would retake the entire test. You would receive only 15 minutes per section on the retest. Formulas was by far the hardest section, in my recollection it was all story problems, some requiring multiple formulas to solve the problem (D=RT, T=D/R, D=KAV) and also 1NANOS. It was recommended to do the Formulas section first, and then the two sections you thought you new best next before time runs out, because no one is going to pass formulas in just 15 minutes if you fail it. I did not heed this advice and answered the questions in order from 1-50. The formulas section was questions 41-50 on my exam and as I looked up at the clock after the first 40 questions I had completed them in 37 minutes, leaving 38 minutes to complete the final 10 questions. as I neared the final couple questions I realized I was running extremely low on time and needed to hurry on those last couple question, I had no time to double check my math like I would normally do. In my case it worked out and I received either a 96 or 94% on the final. Final thought... anyone who has attended Jumpmaster school understands the phrase "Inspecting Ghost Jumpers in the shower"
I did the JM course in 1983 and PF in 1985, both at Fort Benning. Both were brain burners, but can be passed with focused study. The Army has been trying to kill Pathfinders for decades, but it really needs this capability. I did Air Assault in 1980 at Fort Campbell and they were saying they would replace Pathfinder. Not a chance.
Great video. Pathfinder grad from 93 and Jumpmaster grad in 92. Pressure since was an Abn Co Cdr when a Pathfinder slot came open last second. Hard school to get and didnt want to get embarrased. Pathfinder more math and have to study and be able to implement formulas (DRT/ DKAV) - Jumpmaster is stress x 100 and most stressful course to include Ranger (85 grad) Still remember tracing that saddle and smacking the leg and hearing I was a GO. Wear my Master Wings proudly as an old retiree still 😎
My dude. I was in benning with you. Supported your business all the way. Love that you posted this video. I just graduated the USASOC JM course yesterday. Glad to see your face brother. Hope you remember me!!!!
@@NemeanIndustries LOL. Then I’m probably being much to generous with myself (might recall a 20th of it:). Congratulations on getting your torch. I still employ a lesson taught me there; that is when making sure of something (inspection-wise) to touch “it” when looking at “it”. Instructors taught us not to trust our eyes alone. Something about tactile confirmation over-riding the tendency of the eye to deceive.
@@327tomato I was lucky and had gone to Air Assault and Jumpmaster before Pathfinder so I had gotten pretty good at inspections before then but I agree!
@@NemeanIndustries Yea, I see that. Went to Airborne Sept. 89, Air Assault in Jan. 90, so had several years between the two schools. I just recall that practice really saving my butt at Pathfinder when I “saw” a white tie-down (breakaway) on top of a fuel blivet, but when I touched it it turned out to be white 550 cord😂
Also, I’ll just wager that you will remember far more instruction from Jumpmaster long after you’ve moved on from the Army due to the involvement of handwork ( muscle memory ). Kinda like guitar playing.
Having done both, Jumpmaster School, is harder then Pathfinder School. I was a Master Parachutist, sixteen years on jump status. The JMPI Testing in Jumpmaster School is the hard part. 😉🇺🇸
pathfinder school . day one nomenclature test can get students drop. LZ test. DZ test kills most on that course and Sling load inspection form. After PF school. everyone has a new respect to a drop zone. Jumpmaster school. the JMPI is so critical because most Paratrooper can experience a malfunction or a bad jump do to a bad JMPI. even if they follow the pre jump brief. overall its a ton of advantages to go to airborne school, then air assualt school. then which ever comes first after that whether JM or PF. one or the other will kind of help you pass the other.
Im not sure what's taught at the different schools but when I went to Jumpmaster school at the 82nd Advanced Airborne School there was also a section of the course called DZSO Drop Zone Safety Officer. In this portion you you taught and tested on survey on of a drop zone marking and reccognizing hazards, computing leading/trail edge of DZ Setting up code letters for the DZ establishing centerline , CARP Computed Air Release Point measuring winds and relaying this info to the Aircraft. So im saying maybe its the school you attend but these are the duties you will have as a Jumpmaster in the 82nd Abn. so like I said it may be dependent on the school you attend. Just add I was sent to AMO Air Movement Officer School where you certify cargo for shipping by air and I was tasked to attend Airforce Load Planners Course which at the time I went was a very serious course. All of this is just to say it depends on where you go to school and the duties the unit expects you to be able to perform. I also had Airassault and Rappelmaster so the schooling and duties are dependent on the school you attend and thier course curriculum.
The differences are more so that as a JM only (unless you go to the USASOC JM school) you can’t perform all DZ details without Pathfinder. As a Pathfinder without JM, you can’t drop any and all items, only door bundles I believe. You have to have both qualifications (hence the term “dual qualified”) to be a complete and wholistic asset to an airborne organization. I used to be in the 82nd as well but didn’t go through JM or PF until years later. But in my JM course they covered the differences in responsibilities you can have with and without both qualifications, I just don’t remember them all anymore.
@@NemeanIndustries Well I guess things change I have been retired for a while but as a DZSO for a Bn Mass Tac there were heavy drops and about 10 minutes later the troops were dropped and As a young SSG I opened and closed the DZ.
@@nitesoldier82 that’s interesting. I think you could pull DZSO duties according to what we were told, but only a PF could be DZSTL if I remember correctly
JMPI is the killer. missing majors or even minors on 3 rigged soldiers in 5 minutes. PWAC was not as bad but can be tough and drop zone formulas such as DRT or DCAV.
Regarding the thumbs thing? The military is often its worst enemy. I ve been in, and some stuff is just straight up absurd. In many ways, inefficient and wasteful, perhaps like any large corporation.
I graduated from JM Master school at Ft Bragg….in the women’s restroom…during a hurricane in the mid 1990s. Spare me your explanations…we did the same shit and more…with out the internet or access to addition help from the outside. If you were ID’d as someone that cheated or had inside info….you were blackballed by everyone. Quit watching UA-cam and do what the rest of has done since the 1940’s
We all appreciate your incredibly helpful comment. You have brought every viewer value and are a contributing member of the Airborne community. Your mentorship is exemplary and should be emulated by all. Your clear desire to see others succeed and help to grow our small community reveals how deeply you care about all paratroopers and aspiring Jumpmasters and no one should ever question your dedication. There is no doubt in my mind that you were an NCO all junior enlisted looked up to and asked for advice, and I’m confident you were promoted above peers. No one cares what you did, no one asked for you to try and show off your clout. I don’t give answers to tests, for you to think that only reveals that you didn’t even watch the video. All you did was reveal how ignorant and naive you are. These videos are just for discussion and to tell people what to expect. Knowing how a course is going to be ran doesn’t give anyone an advantage going into these schools. So chill out. Also, you didn’t do the same shit and more. Technology and variations of equipment and aircraft have only become more expansive over time. JM and Pathfinder are both 3 week schools that have over 50% attrition. I passed them both in 2 week variants of the courses and passed them both on my first try. So I’m not sure who you’re trying to show off to. They’re extremely challenging schools to everyone who goes to them, and most people (statistically) have to attend each of them twice before they pass. I went to them back to back and passed both in 4 weeks collectively. So you acting all big and bad doesn’t impress me. Maybe watch videos before you comment and show off to the world how stupid you are.
You are absolutely right. I had more control in pathfinder school than Jumpmaster school. I graduated pathfinder school APR2023 and I’m currently in Jumpmaster and I was on an emotional rollercoaster with JMPI. I passed on my 5th attempt.
You are absolutely right. I had more control in pathfinder school than Jumpmaster school. I graduated pathfinder school APR2023 and I’m currently in Jumpmaster and I was on an emotional rollercoaster with JMPI. I passed on my 5th attempt.
I attended the PF course at the Sabalauski Air Assault School at Fort Campbell, KY in 2021. I wholeheartedly agree with you. It was very challenging. The amount of information you were expected to learn every single day was incredible. It definitely sounds like each school teaches these courses slightly different. I personally thought the Sling Load Inspections portion of the course was more challenging, but that may just be my unique experience. We lost incredibly intelligent students every single day during every gate of the course. It was one of the most stressful Army Schools I’ve ever attended. That being said, having graduated I am so content with the effort I put in. I proudly wear my Pathfinder badge and have an immense amount of respect for anyone who has earned it too.
I attend the USASOC JM Course in July. I watched your other video and am excited to see how it compares to my experience. You didn’t mention the rigex, but my friends have told me to start practicing for white slip. I’m definitely going to take your advice and start memorizing all the nomenclature and pre-jump now. Looking forward to this course!
Really hope to walk away “dual qualified” too!
Well I’m in the Guard and went through a Guard JM school, so we didn’t have a rigex graded or white slip to go to. We just showed up and sent it. But everything you said was spot on. I feel like slingloads were easier for me because I had already been through JM and Air Assault, so I had gotten really good at inspections. Still almost failed though.lol. Good luck!
Just came across this video, seems that there has been some evolution to these schools. I went through pfdr in oct 85 and jm in Jun 86, I'd agree with most of the comments pfdr being much more difficult. I graduated in the middle of the class, in jm I excelled being "attention to detail" type and was honor grad for the class. JMPI was the hardest part but passed that first time through. I think the schools are harder now but with videos like this you can be better prepared when you show up!! Keep up the great content!
Pathfinder school - for me - was relatively simple. But for good reason -
I went through Pathfinder in 1984, as a young Army Reservist. I was assigned to the 5th Pathfinder Platoon at Ft Meade, MD. At the time, most of the NCOs in the unit were Vietnam Veterans, with varied combat experiences. My Team Sergeant ("Doc" - he was a Combat Medic in the 1st Cav Div in Vietnam, as well as having been part of the 82d Abn Div.
I joined the 5th Pathfinders in 1983, and Doc ran me through the paces. Nobody was sent to Ft Benning for Pathfinder school until the NCOs of the platoon agreed that a team member was ready. Land Nav training was constant, with different challenges set in the way. I did DZs and HLZs, Doc often putting me in charge of establishing and setting my team members to work. Sling loading was another task we often practiced.
Sling loading - One weekend the 5th Pathfinders was tasked to come to the Pentagon and sling load huge HVAC units to the roof. A CH-47 was tasked, came collected us, and we flew to the Pentagon and spent an afternoon Reserve drill sling loading gear on the Pentagon! Great - and different - experience.
The summer of 1984, Doc felt that I was ready for Pathfinder school, and so I made the drive down to Ft Benning. Having gone through Airborne school in 1981, it was nice being back.
The Pathfinder course - in my opinion - was challenging in that there were a number of academic requirements in order to pass. First day was Land Nav course. Two tries to pass. Fail the second time, and you're out of the course. We were required to pass evaluations 1) as Team Leader on a field problem, 2) as an Assistant Team Leader on a field problem, 3) demonstrate proficiency in communication with an aircraft in flight (and guiding it in to your HLZ).
Because of how I was pushed by my unit prior to Pathfinder school, I passed each task. Doc helped instill me with confidence.
Jump Master school. I eventually enlisted Active Duty and served in 5th Special Forces Group (I was an Intelligence Analyst, not a tabbed SF guy), and made the trip to Ft Benning for the JM course. This was in 1996, and I had been on jump status both Reserve and Active Duty for 15 years. Several of the JM guys I served with all recommended that I study nothing as far as the nomenclature exam, which was administered on day 1 of JM school. I was told that the nomenclatures frequently change and that I needed to study the charts we were given when we reported to the JM school.
I studied my ass off, and the following day passed the nomenclature test. It was my understanding, at the time, that this was a requirement to continue on the course.
While Pathfinder school was academically challenging, Jump Master school was extremely stressful. The "BIG" thing which dropped students was that infamous JMPI exam. In '96 the standard was JMPI test in the morning. Fail your JMPI, then you get one re-test in the afternoon. Fail this, and you were dropped from the course and sent home.
And the fact was, there were several students in my JM class who had returned for 1st, 2d, or even 3rd try. Good Troops too.
Joined in 1973 went to Basic, Infantry and jump school in Ft Benning then air assault in Ft Chaffee then pathfinder back in Ft Bennng. Then Ranger School all in the first 14 mos in the Army. I was 17 and crazy. The shitt we do when we Are Young and dumb. Or just plain crazy!
CSM Chapa
I graduated Jumpmaster School in Nov '06 and Pathfinder School in Nov "07, both were taught by HHC 1-507th PIR at Benning and both were the normal three week versions... I can say without any reservation that Pathfinder School was more difficult, and Jumpmaster School was way more stressfully. It was more stressful because you knew after day one that you would never be fast enough to pass JMPI in the five minutes you were given (so we thought). It was a self-inflicted mental stress.
We were the 2nd class of the FY when I went to jumpmaster school and we had no idea when we arrived that the Nomenclature exam would include both the old T-10/ MC-1 style harness and the new MC-6 (SF-10 main w/ T-11 reserve) style harness, and that going forward, we were to learn two different sequences simultaneously. Up to this point Jumpmasters students were allowed only a single retest after a JMPI failure. Our class was allowed a 2nd retest if you maintained at least an 80% on all exams prior to JMPI test day, of course most people would not get the 80% on the Nomenclature exam because we were unaware of the change to the POI prior to attending.
I was able to eek out an 80% on the first exam, somehow and was eligible to receive the 2nd retest. I had partially torn the ligament in the elbow of my working hand just prior to the course, so every time I would jam my hand down into those tight JM school rigs, it was like someone jammed an ice pick into my elbow, this made my experience seem much more difficult. We would draw training rigs from the school house on weekends to practice our JMPI in order to get faster, which seemed like a futile effort at the time, especially with the condition of my elbow.
I told myself I could live with failing JMPI on time, if I did everything else right, and ended up failing the course. I failed on time by well over a minute my first attempt, which was the first test I had ever failed in the Army, but I could live with that, because its an unrealistic time standard that you will never be held to again, and any jumper I had inspected would be good to go. Now I would go balls out to pass it, but after a recovering from multiple sequence violations on the reserve of the second jumper on attempt two, I missed a major and failed it again. The 3rd and final attempt would be the one and i would pass with about two seconds left.
As for Pathfinder school, like most Army schools I attended, every test or exam receives only a single retest. The final written exam at Pathfinder school was the big one that everybody talks about. In 2007 it was 50 questions, 10 each in five different categories. You had 75 minutes to complete the entire test. If you failed one section, you would retest that one section, if you failed two sections you would retake those two sections, three or more sections would retake the entire test. You would receive only 15 minutes per section on the retest. Formulas was by far the hardest section, in my recollection it was all story problems, some requiring multiple formulas to solve the problem (D=RT, T=D/R, D=KAV) and also 1NANOS.
It was recommended to do the Formulas section first, and then the two sections you thought you new best next before time runs out, because no one is going to pass formulas in just 15 minutes if you fail it. I did not heed this advice and answered the questions in order from 1-50. The formulas section was questions 41-50 on my exam and as I looked up at the clock after the first 40 questions I had completed them in 37 minutes, leaving 38 minutes to complete the final 10 questions. as I neared the final couple questions I realized I was running extremely low on time and needed to hurry on those last couple question, I had no time to double check my math like I would normally do. In my case it worked out and I received either a 96 or 94% on the final.
Final thought... anyone who has attended Jumpmaster school understands the phrase "Inspecting Ghost Jumpers in the shower"
I did the JM course in 1983 and PF in 1985, both at Fort Benning. Both were brain burners, but can be passed with focused study. The Army has been trying to kill Pathfinders for decades, but it really needs this capability. I did Air Assault in 1980 at Fort Campbell and they were saying they would replace Pathfinder. Not a chance.
Great video. Pathfinder grad from 93 and Jumpmaster grad in 92. Pressure since was an Abn Co Cdr when a Pathfinder slot came open last second. Hard school to get and didnt want to get embarrased. Pathfinder more math and have to study and be able to implement formulas (DRT/ DKAV) - Jumpmaster is stress x 100 and most stressful course to include Ranger (85 grad) Still remember tracing that saddle and smacking the leg and hearing I was a GO. Wear my Master Wings proudly as an old retiree still 😎
My dude. I was in benning with you. Supported your business all the way. Love that you posted this video. I just graduated the USASOC JM course yesterday. Glad to see your face brother. Hope you remember me!!!!
Were you the guy with the southern draw that ordered a shirt?
@@NemeanIndustries bet your ass. Good to see you in good health brother. Lol.
Went through, and passed Pathfinder in 1994. Talk about a “perishable skill”, I can’t even remember a third of this stuff😂
I went through 6 months ago and don’t remember a third of it lol
@@NemeanIndustries
LOL. Then I’m probably being much to generous with myself (might recall a 20th of it:). Congratulations on getting your torch. I still employ a lesson taught me there; that is when making sure of something (inspection-wise) to touch “it” when looking at “it”. Instructors taught us not to trust our eyes alone. Something about tactile confirmation over-riding the tendency of the eye to deceive.
@@327tomato I was lucky and had gone to Air Assault and Jumpmaster before Pathfinder so I had gotten pretty good at inspections before then but I agree!
@@NemeanIndustries Yea, I see that. Went to Airborne Sept. 89, Air Assault in Jan. 90, so had several years between the two schools. I just recall that practice really saving my butt at Pathfinder when I “saw” a white tie-down (breakaway) on top of a fuel blivet, but when I touched it it turned out to be white 550 cord😂
Also, I’ll just wager that you will remember far more instruction from Jumpmaster long after you’ve moved on from the Army due to the involvement of handwork ( muscle memory ). Kinda like guitar playing.
Having done both, Jumpmaster School, is harder then Pathfinder School. I was a Master Parachutist, sixteen years on jump status. The JMPI Testing in Jumpmaster School is the hard part. 😉🇺🇸
I agree with you. I did JM at Bragg in 2003 and PF on Campbell in 2007. Pathfinder was more difficult in my opinion.
IMO Pathfinder was alot harder and alot of studying. Go green yellow red blue bird. "Strike Hold"
Keep up the fire 🔥 brother
pathfinder school . day one nomenclature test can get students drop. LZ test. DZ test kills most on that course and Sling load inspection form. After PF school. everyone has a new respect to a drop zone. Jumpmaster school. the JMPI is so critical because most Paratrooper can experience a malfunction or a bad jump do to a bad JMPI. even if they follow the pre jump brief. overall its a ton of advantages to go to airborne school, then air assualt school. then which ever comes first after that whether JM or PF. one or the other will kind of help you pass the other.
What are the odds that the one grader your talking abouts name started with an H and ended with an NS🤔🤬
Pathfinder by a long shot. End of video, you’re welcome.
If you watch the video, that’s what I say.lol Pathfinder is harder, JM is more stressful.
Im not sure what's taught at the different schools but when I went to Jumpmaster school at the 82nd Advanced Airborne School there was also a section of the course called DZSO Drop Zone Safety Officer. In this portion you you taught and tested on survey on of a drop zone marking and reccognizing hazards, computing leading/trail edge of DZ Setting up code letters for the DZ establishing centerline , CARP Computed Air Release Point measuring winds and relaying this info to the Aircraft. So im saying maybe its the school you attend but these are the duties you will have as a Jumpmaster in the 82nd Abn. so like I said it may be dependent on the school you attend. Just add I was sent to AMO Air Movement Officer School where you certify cargo for shipping by air and I was tasked to attend Airforce Load Planners Course which at the time I went was a very serious course. All of this is just to say it depends on where you go to school and the duties the unit expects you to be able to perform. I also had Airassault and Rappelmaster so the schooling and duties are dependent on the school you attend and thier course curriculum.
The differences are more so that as a JM only (unless you go to the USASOC JM school) you can’t perform all DZ details without Pathfinder. As a Pathfinder without JM, you can’t drop any and all items, only door bundles I believe. You have to have both qualifications (hence the term “dual qualified”) to be a complete and wholistic asset to an airborne organization. I used to be in the 82nd as well but didn’t go through JM or PF until years later. But in my JM course they covered the differences in responsibilities you can have with and without both qualifications, I just don’t remember them all anymore.
@@NemeanIndustries Well I guess things change I have been retired for a while but as a DZSO for a Bn Mass Tac there were heavy drops and about 10 minutes later the troops were dropped and As a young SSG I opened and closed the DZ.
@@nitesoldier82 that’s interesting. I think you could pull DZSO duties according to what we were told, but only a PF could be DZSTL if I remember correctly
JMPI is the killer. missing majors or even minors on 3 rigged soldiers in 5 minutes. PWAC was not as bad but can be tough and drop zone formulas such as DRT or DCAV.
Regarding the thumbs thing? The military is often its worst enemy. I ve been in, and some stuff is just straight up absurd.
In many ways, inefficient and wasteful, perhaps like any large corporation.
Bring back LRS
😊
Pathfinder 1981....difficult. Airborne...not as difficult and fun. Jungle Expert...life in hell.
I graduated from JM Master school at Ft Bragg….in the women’s restroom…during a hurricane in the mid 1990s. Spare me your explanations…we did the same shit and more…with out the internet or access to addition help from the outside. If you were ID’d as someone that cheated or had inside info….you were blackballed by everyone.
Quit watching UA-cam and do what the rest of has done since the 1940’s
We all appreciate your incredibly helpful comment. You have brought every viewer value and are a contributing member of the Airborne community. Your mentorship is exemplary and should be emulated by all. Your clear desire to see others succeed and help to grow our small community reveals how deeply you care about all paratroopers and aspiring Jumpmasters and no one should ever question your dedication. There is no doubt in my mind that you were an NCO all junior enlisted looked up to and asked for advice, and I’m confident you were promoted above peers.
No one cares what you did, no one asked for you to try and show off your clout. I don’t give answers to tests, for you to think that only reveals that you didn’t even watch the video. All you did was reveal how ignorant and naive you are. These videos are just for discussion and to tell people what to expect. Knowing how a course is going to be ran doesn’t give anyone an advantage going into these schools. So chill out.
Also, you didn’t do the same shit and more. Technology and variations of equipment and aircraft have only become more expansive over time. JM and Pathfinder are both 3 week schools that have over 50% attrition. I passed them both in 2 week variants of the courses and passed them both on my first try. So I’m not sure who you’re trying to show off to. They’re extremely challenging schools to everyone who goes to them, and most people (statistically) have to attend each of them twice before they pass. I went to them back to back and passed both in 4 weeks collectively. So you acting all big and bad doesn’t impress me.
Maybe watch videos before you comment and show off to the world how stupid you are.
You are absolutely right. I had more control in pathfinder school than Jumpmaster school. I graduated pathfinder school APR2023 and I’m currently in Jumpmaster and I was on an emotional rollercoaster with JMPI. I passed on my 5th attempt.