From Evergreen to the Intellectual Dark Web, Heather Heying
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- Опубліковано 13 гру 2018
- Until recently Heather Heying and her husband Bret Weinstein were teachers at Evergreen College, until they were targeted by a student mob and became the most high profile victims of campus militancy.
They are now both members of the new constellation of internet personalities known as the Intellectual Dark Web (IDW).
In this conversation with Rebel Wisdom's David Fuller, Heather discusses her journey so far, why sex and gender are the hottest topics for the modern left and why there are so few other women in the IDW.
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She's so damn insightful. Holy crap
Heather and Bret deserve each other, they are such a perfect fit.
Intelligent and modest, Heather is the role model young women need.
Love Heather, and also love her voice:)
I feel really bad about her and her husband paying such a big price, losing their 15 year old workplace for telling the truth. They so didn't deserve this!
I feel that too, but we need those heroes, those real heroes who are willing to do the right thing and seek the truth. One way to alleviate their sacrifice is joining the fight.
As JP would say, “who said life is fair”. It’s easy to go along and stay silent as many of their former colleagues and administration at Evergreen did. Brett and Heather paid a price (comfortable middleclass lifestyle) for intellectual honesty, but the flip side is the recognition and opportunities that it may bring.
Perhaps they were initially a bit more naive up front about what they were getting into than JBP. His psychological back ground allowed him to assess the likely path his C16 objectionist position was going to lead to up front, from day one. But I'm quite certain that, being the highly intelligent folks they are, they picked up pretty early on that there were going to be consequences and Brett in particular make the same choices JBP did. Truth and principles over the short term financial factors.
There are the few who will make a stand for the good of the many.
It's great if you can get tenured and / or a major settlement too of course, but regardless *the events that preceded Eric's dismissal were so objectionable, so antisocial and fundamentally racist* as to not warrant greater caution.
Evergreen's incautious ways are it's own demise as well as the threat to the future of youths.
Props to the tech guys on this video. It is beautifully shot.
After having to tolerate the Pangburn videos, it's absolutely a godsend.
They always shoot nice there. But I was a bit distracted by David's head being cut at the top of the frame all the time in this one.
@@Chaosdude341 Viewed replies for the Pangburn comment. Wasn't disappointed.
Absolutely brilliant! We need to hear more from Heather Heying. Amazingly lucid, nuanced description of the battle for intellectual openness and debate unencumbered by political ideology. A powerful new voice has been added to the Intellectual Dark Web.
Often my first thought when I see a new interview from rebel wisdom with David. *excitement* -> *checks video length* -> 😤
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Wonderful. As usual. Thank you.
I love your channel. Thank you so much for all you do and for bringing these wonderful, insightful and thought provoking interviews/conversations to us.
wonderful talk
This channel is great!
Nice interview. I'd like to see as much of Heather in interviews as we see of her husband.
fantastic video. I hope she goes on some of these public talks sometime.
I have been a commercial fisherman in Alaska for my entire adult life, I’ve used the money to travel the world climbing first ascents and surfing for the past 11 years. I came into contact with Heather, Brett, and Eric’s work through Sam Harris’s podcast a couple years ago. Their insights changed my entire world view. I quit my fishing career and started school, I’m now through my second quarter with a 3.9 average and transferring to Cornell. Thanks you guys, your wisdom has inspired me greatly and changed my life.. I hope I can someday help make an impact and be part of great conversations like these.
Thank you so much for this conversation. I enjoy this and the themes discussed. From 21min in, I would love to see how I personally sit on the “agreeable” criteria as I really enjoy intellectual discussion and the tension that comes from this. Where should I go to test this?
This was one of the most concise, stimulating and well reasoned conversations I have heard in a long time. Heather is top class!
Great lady, thanks
Always such a pleasure to listen to Dr. Heying.
Heather is one of my favorites. It is always a joy to hear her. Thx!
Legendary conversation, we need to give Heather more screen time.
There should a 100x the number of views at least. Heather is a wonderfully thoughtful intellect.
Hope you keep this up, love listening to the thoughts of the IDW. I would like to see them tackle issues, that Chomsky, Greenwald and the likes take on. It would be nice, if Greenwald lend his voice into the discussion with the IDW.
Ed Yablecki Sam Harris might veto that lol
@@mattbabb. are you referring to the E-mail exchange between Chomsky and Harris on the idea of intent or is there a riff between Harris and Greenwald also? Well, I imagine the argument of the Israel-Palestinian situation may cause some contention and Islam would too. This is where I find the IDW is weak, foreign policy issues, they don't seem to tackle the moral issues of Western Civilization. Well, I believe Eric Weinstein has mentioned it, but these issues may not be up their alley.
@@aali4929 , well we disagree on Chomsky. He is older and probably not up to snuff of being a good voice. But, I think you are missing the Terrorism of the West.
When such gifted and passionate people are driven out of higher education, we have a big problem.
great to listen to her.
I agree with others below, Heather is a gift to us all, wonderful hearing such an insightful & balenced view point on various topics. Thanks RW great peice.
I like Heather a lot, her and Bret- brave and inspirational people
I came across her first watching a discussions taking place at a Uni or College (I cannot recall which one) where she was sitting next to Bret. I had no idea at that time that she is actually Bret's wife. Her calm (kind of slightly passive-aggressive) manor and well articulated/structured opinion instantly kept my attention. Very pleasant person to listen to.
Such an important thinker and THANK YOU @David Fuller for being such a superb interviewer. It's rare to find interviewers that can keep the conversation travelling on a fruitful and interesting journey without super-imposing their own agenda or biases on the interviewee. My only complaint is that this conversation is so short! And so disappointing that this kind of conversation only gets 20,219 views (and worse still 981 likes), compared to the millions of views some other tripe gets. Hopefully in the longer term we see this change. Imagine if the likes of Heather Heying were the women vying for roles in politics - or at the very least having influence over those with power - how different might the world look? Or for that matter, any of the thinkers currently being heard on what we call the IDW? That's the world I want my children to live in! Evergreen really screwed themselves in letting Heying & Weinstein go; but their loss is the world's gain.
I'm such a big Heying fan, she's one of my favorite IDW peeps! Bravo!! :D
Couldn't agree more! Her voice has such a calming influence, I could listen to her for days on end and not to mention she speaks so much wisdom!
I know so little intellectually, however my 'gut' is screaming, no-roaring against group think. Thank you.
I'm glad Heather is getting more into the spotlight. She's brilliant.
Her losing comment is my favorite. Bigot means "a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions." There is no political slant to it. It is the one word equivalent of the saying " When you point your finger at someone else you have three fingers pointing right back at yourself" I have an incredibly hard time listening to people once they say it.
Suggestion:
Have other guests who share a wholly different perspective on the IDW.
Some names come in mind: Peter Joseph, David Pakman, Richard D. Wolff, Kyle Kulinski, Michael Brooks, Ana Kasparian etc.
Not taking sides here, I'm just for the exchange of ideas...
Also people who are being excluded to the right of the IDW majority, who have never been as ensconced in the establishment as most IDW. Stefan Molyneux, Mike Cernovich, Scott Adams... the people the IDW scoff at.
You meant to say not "who share different perspective on the IDW" (this is not about the IDW btw), but to have on that same authoritarian left that shuts peoples mouths but has free platform in all the media? The same authoritarian left that makes sure other people's opinion are never heard and calls them racists , misogynists and so on?
And what does "perspective on the IDW" even mean? the IDW consists of individuals
with very different opinions (from very conservative to very liberal), the only things they have in common are support of free speech , decency and sticking to science. Are those you mentioned suppose to come and explain how free speech , decency and sticking to sience re a bad ideas?
And doesnt the far left have any inteligent representatives? Pakman is full of sjw shit but at least has some (not too much of a) brain, but the others? on a channel that interviews intellectual types?
That p.r desperate, hysterical kid Kyle Kulinski? Ana Kadparian? are you joking?
Can you imagine Ana Kasparian screaming and all emotional at him it would be gold. Haha
@@masonhymasAnd yes , we definitely lack anti intellectual white supremacists like Stefan Molyneux and Richard spencer. The far right and far left nutters. I think some people really miss the point of this channel - which is quite obvious.
Packman's pretentious commentary combined with the reason of someone like Heather would be great.
I really want to see Packman have a conversation with someone who sees the #MeToo movement as harmful to women and men alike....not for a take down necessarily but to see if it's even possible to reason with him. Is he really too haughty to have an honest conversation or has he not been challenged by the right person?
damn youre collecting most of the idw members love it! Get Sam Harris on that would be interesting
Oh puhleez, Sam had his opportunity, and blew it. He's a one trick pony, religion bad. And "new" atheists don't see the connection, or the irony, orange man bad.
Cameron Gilchrist he has more to offer than that. Read Waking up. That, according to him, is where he would spend most of his time if he could. That book is his best work by far and is actually his attempt at giving religion it’s due.
@@camwg One trick pony? Check out his podcast. No one in the IDW takes on so many different subjects and speakers.
You're also completely forgetting his two main interests: meditation and morality.
Ps. Donald Trump really is a big problem. You think the radical left would be so extreme if there was a somewhat normal Republican president?
@@mattbabb. I'm sorry but your atheist icon lost me with his sometimes intentionally misleading, and consistently jejune letter. His refusal to engage Peterson in honest dialogue was the nail in that coffin. New atheism is a spent force, and the public discourse has left him behind.
@@camwg So if he re-engages with Peterson and those with similar lines of reasoning, then this would pry the nails from that coffin and revivify his presence in the dialogue?
You likely won't find a bigger fan of Peterson than me, and I thought their conversations have been fruitful and worthwhile. Both of them miss each other's points sometimes, but I'm surprised to hear you say that Sam hasn't engaged with him after spending upwards of 15 hours in dialogue with him (two podcasts and four live events). What would qualify as "proper and honest engagement" besides this many conversations and an open admiration for Jordan and his work? Sam said himself that the conversation isn't over.
I only just started watching Rebel Wisdom, so I have to say dayam, David Fuller is beautiful. Also though, this is the first time I've encountered Heather, and she is just as well spoken and on point as many other members of the IDW, and I hope to see more of her.
It's so refreshing to listen to someone talk who is actually carefully considering their words, as opposed to 95% of all other youtube content. I also truly enjoy listening to an intelligent woman's side of this leftist debacle.
The west is becoming Evergreen.
Sadly, it does seem to be the case. I'm hoping we're reaching a tipping point and there will be a much needed correction.
Ah the slippery slope argument.
Yep, I'm loving this lady. She and Brett are beasts! Truth can be ugly, but Beauty subsumes Goodness AND Truth. The beauty of this conversation is how full-throated her answers are with respectful listening by the interviewer. I'm joining the IDW: Like it or not, here I come....
Oh boy, I would love to hear a LOT more from Heather! Now I'm being lazy - did Dave ever have Heather on? If not... hey DAVE, please :-)
I swear to god I'm going to listen to Heather Heying on loop when I give birth
I believe that the reason why we don't like or want our politicians thinking in public is we may consider them as indecisive, weak and therefore unqualified to lead. If this is true then how can we collectively change our expectations and definition of what leadership means....?
When I was with the U.S. Department of Defense, "Stay in your lane." was a favorite phrase of military leadership. But the military, in order to do its job effectively, must be authoritarian. However, American citizens should not want civilian society, or any of its institutions, other than the military, policing agencies and maybe orthodox religious groups , to utilize the authoritarian organizational model.
Always enjoy hearing from Heather...she seems to have a more nuanced view then the rest of the IDW and would like to hear her at length provided the interviewer could ask the probing questions needed to flesh out her views...unlike her counterparts she tends to not go on infinity...
For me, the whole thing is just awful. I did really well in school but went to uni and was completely lost amongst all this political battling. Totally overwhelmed, I developed several addictions to cope, eventually ending with a six year battle with bone cancer. Now working minimum wage jobs, living in digs rented. I marvel at the creation we are a part of, the great silence of the natural world, but I'm deeply saddened by the never ending wars, political or otherwise, of the human world. This never ending bickering, never looking at the sky in wonder, always fighting for intellectual real estate in the universities or the media, or for wealth in the business world. Like I said, it's totally awful.
The evolutionary biologists are presenting some of the most interesting ideas I have seen in years. Robert Sapolsky has a nice series on youtube. Jordan Peterson crosses into this territory as well as several other articulate voices. Master and His Emissary is an interesting read.
Ms. Heying speaks softly, and carries a big intellect.
She is amazing
This is unrelated to the subject, but I'd love to see her playing the badass female character in a movie. Her voice and pose would scare Chuck Norris.
I admire her for following her husband in his path. He is brilliant and she is an honest and cool lady.
A smart, confused woman. Interesting interview. Clear she has been living in the Evergreen bubble for a while but I applaud her courage.
Please elucidate with some detail and evidence in what regard Dr. Heying is confused ?
Personally, not certain I've ever listened a less confused person in my life.
Can someone cite studies which have numbers/figures showing the higher conformity rates within women?
OK. But my understanding of UK universities - as opposed to North America - is that UK universities are downgrading humanities and social science subjects in favour of those which serve corporations. I was speaking to a UK academic today - who is no Marxist by any means - who confirmed that. So it's not necessarily the case that what's happening in the US is being strongly mirrored in the UK. Arguably, it's also the opposite.
Heather is my hero.
Heathers mannerisms and cadence of speech are soooo similar to Eric's
My dear a little introduction would be very helpful. I have no idea what is evergreen nor what happen. Please. Some introduction.
Wow you are about to go down a Rabbit hole. In a nut shell the school (evergreen) had a day of absence where instead of black people absenting themselves to highlight their contribution They asked white people leave campus. Bret And Heather opposed this on the grounds it was racist and then the craziness started. Bret's class was raised by a protest and it devolved so far the school was shut down for a number of days, protestors armed with bats were searching the campus car to car. I will ad some links in the edit because the videos are facinating. ua-cam.com/video/JROUoBzmnBE/v-deo.html
@@heimdallsgate6141 Great summary.
The 2 tucker Carlson interviews Brett Weinstein did are the quickest way you'll get a decently detailed summary. Probably 11 minutes total between the 2 videos.
Just UA-cam search Brett Weinstein tucker Carlson, watch the older 1 first.
I think Evergreen is more significant than only the Weinstein incident. The young people at the school began an uprising that was as radical as it was misguided, as the radical identity and victimhood politics of the modern left became so concentrated and extreme among the student body that they began a revolt that was almost similar to Phnom Penh in the mid 1970's. Watch the UA-cam videos of what went on. It was a culturally significant, canary-in-the-coalmine moment, where we see modern leftist politics going to its full logical (and quite insane) conclusion.
Does she ever do online lectures like Peterson? I'd seriously like to see content solely on biology that she would produce.
Essentially about the importance of Down-Regulation of the extreme/bigots on the left most notably, as well as those on the right.
Leeegend
Why can't we think about rocks or quarks?
This was a very ambiguous claim. And in contrast she says, is "everything around us."
What does that mean? Like animals? Or trees? Protons? Farms? Shade?
That comment was actually correct. She was speaking about the scenarios and spaces wherein applying an evolutionary lens to an analysis or hypothesis generation exercise has value and can provide insight. An evolutionary lens is valuable when analyzing anything to do with living matter or things produced by living creatures. This was her point and it was made in the larger context of the part of the discussion where they were talking about who is "qualified" to talk on a given topic. Why and how those determinations are made.
@@richardlefaive1944 "An evolutionary lens is valuable when analyzing anything to do with living matter or things produced by living creatures." -- Exactly. Wish she would have said this. Like I complained earlier, she was being very ambiguous.
Would love to see her or Brett debate Berlinski. That man is an evolution-wrecking ball.
Interesting conversation on political right and left. Might be useful, here, to make the distinction between 'individual' and 'collective' domains because both right and left have lost their way, but in different domains. The left has lost the plot in the individual domain, too often trampling on individual rights like free speech and being obsessed with political correctness and identity politics. The right, conversely, has lost the plot in the collective domain by conflating individual freedom with laissez-faire economic liberalism.
Rhymes with flying....
Re: Women's presence in IDW. Apart from differences in agreeableness which may attribute to that two things came to my mind: a. IDW came out of UA-cam, there are fearless Women of great intellect e.g. Ayan Hirsi Ali; Camille Paglia and many more. Question whether the fact that they have not been so involved in the online community may have contributed to that impression that there are no women in IDW. Ayan Hirsi Ali has been deplatformed and hunted down for her thinking way before others. b. Everyone uses their potential in a best possible way to contribute to the society in ways that the society needs that change. It may be that some of those women do great work behind the scenes and it is not so visible. At this stage I would focus on everyone and each contribution to the shared effort to save our civilisation from the self-distructive path we are on. Men and women being in harmonious union is a key to that.
We're going to come to realize that as soon as we did things like celebrating homosexuality as if being gay was some sort of accomplishment, what came with it was a loss of our values and morals. It's exactly what the hardline church types were warning, but we ignored them. Nihilism is what we have now.
These women are so hard to find in real life.
Maybe you just aren't looking in the right places....
@@reanolan No he is right, as would suggest the Greater Male Viability hypothesis. Very intellectual people (or "very" anything for that matter) are mostly men.
Most geniuses and most very dumb people are men.
@@claudesigma3784 I'm not really interested in ultimate top or ultimate bottom of the heap ranking - I'm responding to the reflection that "such women are hard to find". There are many women with deep and highly developed areas of study. They aren't necessarily interviewed on youtube, but they populate many fields the world over.
@Claude Sigma:
I suspect both sides of this friendly debate are actually correct, in their own way.
Rea is correct in that women of this type ( strong and confident in their intelligence and the convictions they acquire from it, yet open minded and caring at their core , able to have their mind meter their emotions without going so far as to seem "male" in persona) , while perhaps not common, do exist in certain areas in numbers. They are not the proverbial needle in a haystack.
But ... as a man looking for one, you DO have to look in the right places ... because there are certainly many milieus where you will find almost no evidence of them. On that point, you are correct.
They are largely found in academic and professional circles. So the keys as a man to securing one for yourself are to:
A. adopt an educational and career track that puts you in circles that are frequented more regularly by these women.
B. Be socially active within those circles.
C. Have some of your own accomplishments within those areas. A woman of worth is unlikely to attach herself to a man who is not similarly , if not greater, accomplished than herself.
D. The earlier you get started on the above, the better. The more time goes by, the less of them near your age are left, the older you are, and therefore , after a certain point, the less attractive you might be to the youngest of them.
In the end, it comes down to what kind of woman do YOU , in your deepest heart of hearts, really feel you have earned and come to deserve ... as long as you do some of the basics above, men usually find THAT woman, sooner or later.
@@richardlefaive1944 I'm not sure about your demographics but intelligent, educated, open minded women who are grown up and emotionally mature abound in my environment. So too men. Of course there are very average people out there as well, but it seems to me like attracts like. Or at minimum often what we see in the other is what we project onto them. That might be part of the problem if you feel you "find almost no evidence of them" in your milieu.
Heather IS a gift...re last comment
The so-called "IDW" seems like a mindset, not a movement. I tend to like it, and I especially like Bret and Heather. I hope that that mindset catches on with more people, Left and Right alike.
H H is Fire 🔥
Evergreen, you lost 2 of your own who loved you, and you’ll never hear the end of it.
What someone should study is how much social punishment women endure when they are not compliant.
Next guest. The Bernstein dad :P
"Its only getting worse...."....sobering comment. I think most hope that the insanity will reach a zenith, then the idiots will come to their senses. Increasingly, though, this seems to not be the case, now, or in the future.
Effin smarty pants
"Fix the problems that people can't fix......"
Are your regulations going to be written and implimented by AI? Porcupines perhaps? Or people. While at some visceral level I am inclined to agree that bureaucrats are not human biology disagrees.
Really well spoken lady. The interviewer asks good questions but he could learn how to dress himself.
I can't help but think they had a part in the Evergreen debacle. They where there participating until it turned on them. I saw the first interview with her, it was a completely different woman. This one seems somewhat contrived or even rehearsed . This fellow worked at channel 4 he knows to create an image. I'm not buying it.
if bret and heather’s kids dont become IDW superheroes I will be dissapoint
A child in the womb is human. A child in the womb is alive. A child in the womb is valuable. Hows them for assumptions Heather?
"We are reptiles"
Illuminati confirmed!
She looks like Bret's brother… those eyes.
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Her voice omg, so frigging sexy
I believe Trump "thinks in public"
Dunno this channel could be a lot better with the right interviewer.
The interviewer is great, part of the reason to watch as far as I am concerned, very happy with him.
Meh... she tends to tip toe around subjects....
Here's hoping that crypto currency gets another valid, real world use from all this over just being another player in the game of stocks and shares.
The 2 problems I have with the IDW is the general lack of aggression and their establishment elitism towards influential thinkers who were never a part of the establishment. Most IDW have been part of the establishment their whole lives.
This seems like an extension of "its of the patriarchy ( wrong assumption #1) so it must be tainted and bad ( leading to wrong assumption #2)" thinking. And in what way is their memebership and views biased towards influential thinkers who "come from the establishment"?. If by "establishment" you mean a bias towards accredited scientists who have published scientific trials and works that contain details about their methodology and data , which were then heavily cited ... well, shame on them for preferring to quote and leverage information coming from those types of sources ;o) .
Secondly, to call 2 Evergreen profs ( Brett and Heather) of 15 years "establishment" seems like a stretch. Given that org's historical mandate, how they in particular pursued it, and their non paper publishing tendencies.
The rest of the IDW whose names and careers I'm familiar with ... OK, I'm going to grant you that a "long time links to the establishment" characterization is reasonably fair. But It doesn't mean they haven't been rebels within their various fields and organizations. EricW, JBP, Douglas Murray, and Naraz certainly have.
The better way to evaluate them is as truth tellers.Yes or no, regardless of their establishment \ institutional back ground ?
This is what I call a Full bodied "WOMAN" who would not fit in any "Category"... Let our daughters aspire!
Every new video of David Fuller shows his beard becoming more Marxist.
Jesus Christ. I get that your Eric's husband but wtf. We've heard enough from your family...
Youv'e listened enough to understand that she's Eric's husband!? -And that's too much?
Maybe you do need to rest a little - after all the demanding listing and thought you must have invested to reach this level of attainment. Never good to overtax oneself.
Please go away... this is not the "how to lower your I.Q" channel you were looking for.