We could say that was better than now, without stromboscopic effect on the wheel !! And the camera was on the same height as the pilot's helmet, not twice highest, like it is now.
His downshift (6-4-2) at the end of the main straight parallels Gerhard Berger, here as well as at Suzuka in 1991 (from the 130R to the Casio chicane). Sadly this was the tail end, for both constructors, of the manual gearbox era, when individual driver shifting style was still a thing. Paddle shifting, while clearly superior from a competitive point of view, took all that away. Previously you could almost close your eyes and tell who was driving merely by the sound alone.
Love this comment,my favourite thing to do is to compare the different shifting styles of all the drivers from different pieces of onboard footage, if you watch the qualification laps of senna vs berger in 91 suzuka, senna is nearly always going along in 1 gear lower than berger, for the first corner berger goes 6-4, but senna goes 6-5-4 waits until he approaches the second part of the corner and then goes even lower down into 3rd. then for the final chicane berger goes 6-4-2 as you say, meanwhile senna is ending up in 1st from approaching in 5th gear, cant quite make out what his exact pattern is though, 5-4-3-2-1 fits, but if he is really doing that everytime then that is absolutely remarkable.
@@caluzzucarrazzi5549 Yeah, most drivers employed block-shifting, which is what I tend to do in my road car. And I have to admit, although Senna is in a completely different league from people like Berger, nevertheless I would be more inclined to be in a higher gear like Berger to keep from upsetting the balance through corners or blowing the engine on the straights, especially in a V12. I probably wouldn't even use first gear except for race start and exiting the pits, unless we're talking something like Loew's hairpin at Monaco. The V10 Honda engines from 1989 and 1990 were designed to rev extremely high, but Berger also had the right idea from his time with Ferrari. Berger also had his best season with McLaren in 1992 when they went with a semi-automatic gearbox. He had many of his best races when Senna wasn't doing particularly well. So overall, although anyone would prefer to emulate Senna, when I watch Berger's onboard video, I have to admit I find myself thinking the same way he does.
@@JonathanAllen0379 That's really cool man I can definitely understand your perspective. the V10 of 89 is probaby my favourite engine of all time, i believe redline was around 12,800, which was then upped to 13 something in 90. if you watch sennas 89 quali lap in suzuka youll see him hit the limiter in third right before the esses begin, sounds hard on the engine but he did qualify ALOT quicker than prost, senna also grabbed the limiter in 4th right before the hairpin turn 11 i believe, and you can distinctively make out a 4-3-2-1 before the hairpin whilst with prost he appears to slow the car enough to go right into 1 from 4, senna ASTONISHINGLY took pole by OVER 1.7 sec that race, absolutely mind-blowing, the man had a hell of a system.
Where he downshifts at the end of the back straight and drops from 6th down to 3rd, Senna went from 6th to 4th, so when Patrese comes through the literal "between the lakes" the circuit is known by, after breaking and turning in, he hits 4th and maxes out in 5th before having to brake again and dropping back down to 4th, whereas Senna, at the same points, was in 5th and 6th. Both V10s in 1990, with very similar specs in spite of one being Renault and the other being Honda. Also entering the back straight, Patrese is much slower coming up through the gears, so that, again, where he's only just shifting into 5th, Senna's already in 6th and doing 185mph.
It's 1990 which was the first year they raced at the revised Interlagos. The Brazilian GP took place at Jacarepaguá in 1989. Ferrari were the first to introduce the paddle shift in 1989, Williams in 1991, McLaren in 1992 & then Benetteon & others began using paddle shift in 1993.
this is amazing quality for 1990
We could say that was better than now, without stromboscopic effect on the wheel !! And the camera was on the same height as the pilot's helmet, not twice highest, like it is now.
@@nicolasfaiche3713what effect on the wheel?
master tapes
Riccardo's downshifts were brutal to the bone! 👀😂
His downshift (6-4-2) at the end of the main straight parallels Gerhard Berger, here as well as at Suzuka in 1991 (from the 130R to the Casio chicane). Sadly this was the tail end, for both constructors, of the manual gearbox era, when individual driver shifting style was still a thing. Paddle shifting, while clearly superior from a competitive point of view, took all that away. Previously you could almost close your eyes and tell who was driving merely by the sound alone.
That's totally right !
Love this comment,my favourite thing to do is to compare the different shifting styles of all the drivers from different pieces of onboard footage, if you watch the qualification laps of senna vs berger in 91 suzuka, senna is nearly always going along in 1 gear lower than berger, for the first corner berger goes 6-4, but senna goes 6-5-4 waits until he approaches the second part of the corner and then goes even lower down into 3rd. then for the final chicane berger goes 6-4-2 as you say, meanwhile senna is ending up in 1st from approaching in 5th gear, cant quite make out what his exact pattern is though, 5-4-3-2-1 fits, but if he is really doing that everytime then that is absolutely remarkable.
@@caluzzucarrazzi5549 Yeah, most drivers employed block-shifting, which is what I tend to do in my road car. And I have to admit, although Senna is in a completely different league from people like Berger, nevertheless I would be more inclined to be in a higher gear like Berger to keep from upsetting the balance through corners or blowing the engine on the straights, especially in a V12. I probably wouldn't even use first gear except for race start and exiting the pits, unless we're talking something like Loew's hairpin at Monaco. The V10 Honda engines from 1989 and 1990 were designed to rev extremely high, but Berger also had the right idea from his time with Ferrari. Berger also had his best season with McLaren in 1992 when they went with a semi-automatic gearbox. He had many of his best races when Senna wasn't doing particularly well. So overall, although anyone would prefer to emulate Senna, when I watch Berger's onboard video, I have to admit I find myself thinking the same way he does.
@@JonathanAllen0379 That's really cool man I can definitely understand your perspective. the V10 of 89 is probaby my favourite engine of all time, i believe redline was around 12,800, which was then upped to 13 something in 90. if you watch sennas 89 quali lap in suzuka youll see him hit the limiter in third right before the esses begin, sounds hard on the engine but he did qualify ALOT quicker than prost, senna also grabbed the limiter in 4th right before the hairpin turn 11 i believe, and you can distinctively make out a 4-3-2-1 before the hairpin whilst with prost he appears to slow the car enough to go right into 1 from 4, senna ASTONISHINGLY took pole by OVER 1.7 sec that race, absolutely mind-blowing, the man had a hell of a system.
@@caluzzucarrazzi5549 Dont discard the fact that they could be using different gear ratios.
Riccardo Patrese was one of the best drivers in F1 racing. Excellent driving in this video.
Hard to believe those cars lasted longer than 2 laps with these brutal downshifts
They didn’t have today’s regulations back then .. being penalized for an engine swap was not really a thing
Magnificent! THAT was Formula 1. Thank you for posting!
Those downshifts from outer space
O Patrese tinha uma forma muito peculiar de reduzir as marchas. Demais de bom, esses vídeos.
Where he downshifts at the end of the back straight and drops from 6th down to 3rd, Senna went from 6th to 4th, so when Patrese comes through the literal "between the lakes" the circuit is known by, after breaking and turning in, he hits 4th and maxes out in 5th before having to brake again and dropping back down to 4th, whereas Senna, at the same points, was in 5th and 6th. Both V10s in 1990, with very similar specs in spite of one being Renault and the other being Honda. Also entering the back straight, Patrese is much slower coming up through the gears, so that, again, where he's only just shifting into 5th, Senna's already in 6th and doing 185mph.
Very true. Patrese's shifting didn't sound quite smooth at times.
Sounds amazing
HERMOSO.. BEAUTIFULL
Magistral vuelta amigo Patrese!!!
MT should make a comeback... I don't mind if lap times go up a few seconds
Quem mais queria ver os pilotos do grid de hj trocando marcha assim da um Like 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
ayrton se estivesse vivo iria achar incrivel os carros de hoje... tambem o de shumacher 2004... pena que não viveu para isso.
@@rafaelmiranda3870 sonho heim poderia ter trabalhado na maclaren igual Lauda na Mercedes
*Eu Amaria e Muito. Bons Tempos, Hein?!!*
Lol he almost stalled downshifting. Thank you God that I live to see this
Your channel is the best representation of on-board racing to date. Very well done, simple and honest. Kudos! 😉
FW13Bはウイリアムズで一番カッコいい❗️
I think the performance of the car is better at this time.
This is because the driver's technique is different and the race becomes interesting.
With this, you can see much more clearly the old parts of the circuit
Hoje os carros parecem vídeo game kkkkkkk issso sim foi pilotar um F1...um dia isso aconteceu...
A mistake on downshifting, engine gone. That's why it was so hard win three world championships.
Manual gear!
Barulho estranho ao reduzir a marcha
Patresi não fazia punta taco? Pelo menos nesta volta não fez
Todo piloto tinha que fazer, era obrigação praticamente
@@surneen sim de fato mas neste vídeo parecia não está fazendo corretamente bom pelo por causa do som do motor na hora da reduzida
Driveability of the engine sounds terrible. Brutal.
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Are you sure it's 1990 ? Il looks like 2021.
are you actually that blind?
@@jiboo6850 I speak about the quality of the image. Don't be so serious 🤦♂
@@johnson2j i know but still... are you that blind? wow...
@@jiboo6850 Are you stupid, or what ?
@@johnson2j dude ... youre the one who cant see s@#t here. Take a look in the mirror and laugh at yourself. 😊
V shaped.
I THINK THIS IS 1989. manual gearbox isnt ?
It's 1990 which was the first year they raced at the revised Interlagos. The Brazilian GP took place at Jacarepaguá in 1989.
Ferrari were the first to introduce the paddle shift in 1989, Williams in 1991, McLaren in 1992 & then Benetteon & others began using paddle shift in 1993.