Fr John Behr speaks on the theme of "Becoming Human"
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2013
- st-justin-martyr.org/2013/03/b... 2013 Lenten Retreat hosted by St Justin Martyr Orthodox Church, Jacksonville, FL.
See Fr. John Behr's New book "Becoming Human: Meditations on Christian Anthropology in Word and Image" at www.svspress.com and www.amazon.com/Becoming-Human-...
I listen to a lot of theological lectures and the like on UA-cam, but this one really stands out for me. It's just really well put together and engaging. It has the quality that any great theological discourse must have: making the strange familiar and the familiar strange. I really appreciate the post of this video.
Wonderful lecture, thank you!
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At 30:00 Father John Behr says that in the Gospel of John Jesus is crossefied on a different day as to the other three Gospels. This is not true. Indeed the slaying of the lamb was supposed to take place on the Thursday during the paschal meal, however on this particular occasion the Jews leaders deferred the slaying to the next day in order to capture Jesus first and get the whole thing out of the way before having their feast. Making Jesus the only Rabi that had the meal and fulfilled the tradition on its correct time that year. The next day they put him to the Cross, made sure he has died then went about their lamb slaying bussiness.
That's fascinating. Do you remember what your source is for that? It's reasonable as a matter of speculation, but so is the common view (expressed by Fr. John and many other scholars, including Pope Benedict XVI). Just curious.
@@joachim847 I really can't remember the source but I will definitely look that up for you when I have a bit of time. What convinced me though is not the authority of the source or the popularity of the view (although it is the popular view of the Coptic Orthodox Church) but rather its explanatory power of the related events. It simply HAD TO be a Friday to explain the rush to ensure that those who are on crosses have died so they can be taken off the crosses in time for the Sabbath. On any other day of the week they would have been left for the birds untill it's time for the Sabbath again. Or at least till the next day. It is also the only plausible explanation as to why Jesus' family and disciples didn't have time to properly prepare the body and why they had to wait a day, (rather than go the next morning) and go to finish this business the day after. Because it was the Sabbath (Saturday) so they had to wait till Sunday.
You miss the point entirely. In his gospel, John blends times, using the day on purpose, figuratively speaking, as Jesus is the Pascal Lamb! Professor John Behr explained exactly why he said this. Right after he said it! It is a theological point! Not a historical point!
@@nicolalairdon2625 I did not miss his point. I'm saying he's mistaken. There's a difference. John does not blend, bend or confuse time. John is both theologically and historically accurate. Behr is confused to think that for John the evangelist to make a theological point he has to compromise on the historical truth.
There is not doubt that the account of St. John’s gospel differs from the Synoptics. For St. John, the last supper was “before the Passover” (Jn 13:1); whereas the last supper is on the day of Passover for the Synoptics (Mk 14:12,16; Mt 26:17,19; Lk 22:8,13). Christ is crucified on Friday evening according to all four gospel accounts but, as Fr. John mentions, the chronology relating to the passover differs between the Synoptic accounts and St. John's account, so that Christ is crucified on a different
It seems that, to the Synoptic writers, it was important to emphasize the Last Supper as the Passover meal, which has its clear Eucharistic implications tied to it. St. John, on the other hand, did not communicate this meal to be the day before Passover accidentally, but for a profound meaning, which is stressed in Fr. John's talk. In one sense, the Last Supper served as a final farewell meal (commonly observed among Rabbinic traditions), but placing the Last Supper the day before the Passover meant that Christ's death happened on the day of Passover, making His crucified body and shed blood the actual Passover meal-the true Lamb of God.