When LOST Became "TV'S GREATEST MESS" | Billiam
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After LOST's STELLAR first season, the show went into a state of limbo- the network wanted it to go forever, but the writers wanted a plan to END the show. In this video, we take a deep dive into LOST's second and third seasons, to look at the time when LOST became TV's "greatest mess." Welcome to the second part of the LOST retrospective.
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This is the second part of a retrospective. If you enjoyed it, check out PART 1 ► • LOST Was Weird: A Show...
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Thank you to all my wonderful Voices!
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00:00 - INTRO
8:30- SPONSOR
10:02 -Chapter 7: The Marathon
28:40 - Fanfare
45:19- Unfolding the Mystery
1:01:09- Chapter 8: Faith, Fate, and Destiny
1:34:14- The Button
1:56:06- The Tragedy of the Tail Section
2:57:14- Season 2 Finale
3:18:20 - Chapter 9: Trapped in a Cage
3:31:49 - “season 2.5”
3:51:05- US Vs Them
4:14:06- LOST Fans Hate LOST
4:22:59 - The Tattoo Episode
4:33:02- Chapter 10: When LOST Got Its Groove Back
5:06:27- INFILTRATION
5:25:53- OTHERS & OUTSIDERS
5:57:47 - Breaking JJ’s Magic Box - Розваги
welcome to part 2- thank you for watching me talk about my favorite show for 6 hours!!
LOST Part 1 ► ua-cam.com/video/4tk664MfQgU/v-deo.html
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you monster
Why are we doing this again, i watched the entire video 4 times and you come out with PART 2?
holy shit
I support the new texas law
Here we go
Props to Billiam for doing everything he possibly could to make sure he reached that 10 minute mark
accurately popular comment
LOL
Juuuuust made it.
LMAOOOO
Only 870 likes? Underrated comment.
I believe it was very brave to try and be "the hunk" of a show that had Daniel Dae Kim in it's cast
Yeah, he's easy on the eye
@Alexandria Farkas HIS JAWLINE IS NUTS DUDE
@@ctakitimu Couse, my man embodies Johnny Gat no matter what show or role
Too be fair Lost was full of hunks and babes lol.
@@aspaceproductions Sun was 👌🏻
I enjoy how they immediately get a search and rescue going for jack but for the little boy they are all like nah we good
It works better if you actually watch the show. Season 1 episode 11. Watch it. It’ll make you comment null and void
@@_zigger_ Alright hitler calm down
“We had a surgeon Jack, his name was Ethan” Ben’s so smart why is he sending his only doctor out on dangerous infiltration recon missions alone amongst unknown hostile plane crash survivors?
Maybe he doesn’t trust anyone else enough
because Ben was jealous of Ethan and Juliet's relationship, he wanted Ethan dead so he could be Juliet's partner. GOD DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE SHOW???????
@@stickyrick1939 That was Goodwin not Ethan
@@stickyrick1939 did you even watch the show 😂
Here's why: he wasn't the only doctor, Juliet is a doctor as well, she's a fertility specialist.
I used to go to the "crash site" with my dad in Hawaii. They just had the full (half) airplane on the beach and taped it off from people but my dad had been going fishing there for at least 30 years so we just kind of hung out there on Saturdays. My dad passed away 3 years ago this week, and we released his ashes into the ocean right where that plane was. Whenever I see the pilot episode I think of him, thank you for this video. Peace ✌️
Sorry for you're lost, he seem like a cool dude
Peace and love
Goddamn that’s beautiful
@@christiancolon8748 really
I used to live in mouks!!! i ran from cement city to kaena point and back or up in the forest behind peacock flats. Thats a special place for me too
This shit is what I want from a deepdive recap videoessay. Not just regurgitating the seasons but really exploring the themes and talking about the off screen real life context to it all. I adore this. Thank you, can't wait for the next video!!
Right? I get so disappointed when a long video like this just ends up being someone explaining the plot of a show or a game with an unfunny joke every few minutes.
To be fair, not many show have even half of the outside context like lost has
Michel de Montaigne level
If you liked this, watch Blooms’ Every South Park Controversy Explained
Yes, this is everything I ever wanted in life!
I find it frustrating that they wrote off Walt because he was aging. He already had psychic abilities and I feel that they could've written some reason he was aging quicker than others. They could've written something like "using your psychic abilities makes you age quicker" and it could've led to a better resolution to the character.
They could also have just. Done a time skip at some point. Like, they could have just said "they were on the island for a while, nothing important happened"
@@samlewis6487 OR used him extensively in the flash-forward segments. Would've made perfect sense and added additional continuity
I really want the 3rd installment of this epic saga to be complete.
Same
same
It probably takes a long time to make these videos!
It makes me so mad that this video has barely broken the 1m mark nearly a year later:( i fear we may never get a conclusion…
@Left4Deadluver I mean at 6 hours this is one of his more viewed videos which is quite the feat as most people would be turned away by that time stamp. also he just tweeted a week ago that the final lost video "isn't ready yet" which does show that he's working on it. it'll probably be a while still but it is coming! :D
I resigned myself to watch a six hour video on LOST only to quickly find out its part two of a video I never got around to six months ago and now I've mentally committed myself to OVER NINE hours on a show I only vaguely care about. This is how things get out of hand UA-cam...
Lol
Can't wait for part 3, the 12 hour holiday special
.. this is a part two?
@@idaliscastro2276 oh no idalis. You have a lot of binging to do 😂😂😂
@@idaliscastro2276 why would this video just start later into the series duh there’s a part one it takes one second to look at his channel and see it you just watch the shit in recommendations obviously😐😐
I can’t imagine how long this retrospective is gonna be by the time Billiam gets to the later seasons, but rest assured it’s gonna be ginormous.
Fr tho
can't wait for the 26 hour season 6 retrospective
Wait this isn’t the last of it
@@dannybishop9179 afraid not
@@PandosyAnna and I'll watch every minute of it!
You're telling me they debated on Sawyer and Jack being the "hunk" when literally Sayid and Jinsoo existed? 💀
Haha for real, this show had so much blatant fan service male eye candy, we were truly blessed.
Oh god Sayid makes me WEAK
@@Rosef1re VALID
i have MASSIVE crush on sayid but i also want to say that desmond is also very easy on the eyes
not to mention Ian Somerhalder
Fun little detail. The Dostoyevsky book that Locke gives to the guy locked in the armory is “The Brothers Karamazov” and one of the central themes and conflicts of the book is that of faith and belief. Two of the brothers disagreeing on the existence of god, and fate for themselves. A neat parallel of Locke and Jack as well
Do you mean the rationalist vs faith conflict of the younger brother and the middle brother mirror jack and Locke.
@@thomaswalmsley8959get friends freak
I'm surprised they didn't just go "ahh the island, it's mysterious, it made Walt age quickly" instead of writing him out of the show
One character less to write for when there's not much they can do with him, cutting down budget for main actors, actor maybe just not that good of an actor?
I hate people that do this, so I apologise because I can’t prove this, but……..IVE BEEN SAYING THIS TO EVERY 2 OF MY FRIENDS…just have Walt grow up on the island really quickly for a purpose later on down the road…like the done to DEATH prophecy/chosen one kinda thing…..oh, i actually think I commented this on one of this channels other vids re: lost….if this is considered proof…
Honestly I really liked Walt and his spooky powers, he was the only one who was mysterious before he got to the island and I really wanted that to go somewhere(also I watched this as a kid and was sad that they wrote out the only person even close to my age)
It prolly is also to get rid of the psychic child who might be a whole issue
“Oh no Walt was on that beach from Old!”
Sometimes I like to imagine just how *legendary* a lot of these shows would have been remembered if only they'd been allowed to come to a natural conclusion rather than being forced to go on by a network. I really appreciate that more series are allowed to do that now.
Lost did come to a natural end. The producers requested to end with season 6 and to reduce the number of episodes per season.
@@nickryan4126 Yeah I realized after I made the comment that it did eventually, but what I mean is that by that point it seems like it had already been stretched to the point where it was something people couldn't relate to anymore. It seems like what they wanted was a three-season show, and what the writers could easily scale to was a three-season show, and then after three seasons the network was like "fine it can end in three more seasons instead of nine more seasons, see we can compromise."
By episode 5 i already knew what was going to happen to this show
@@nickryan4126 Sure but that was a compromise that was made because the network wanted it to run for as long as possible. Damon at that point wanted the show to come back for a really long season 4. He even said in a recent interview that he wish he got the chance to end it sooner.
I submit GOT as evidence to corroborate your OP. The first few seasons are fucking amazing.
I always took Charlie and his "visions" as him withdrawing. And, as an ex user, him stashing the Mary figures was his "just in case." Sometimes that can be a weirdly healing thing - I have all this stuff "just in case" but then not actually doing it can be a more empowering thing than "I don't even have the option of not doing it because I ran out."
Textbook case of fooling yourself.
@@Locust13 its true. its so much more empowering to walk away to something (like alcohol) that is so readily available. I lost my partner due to an OD (not sure if it was intentional) but he showed me this show and yes, its flawed, but Charlie's story breaks my heart. He tried his best and sacrificed himself for Claire. A maryr, yes, but I still think the scene in s6 in "heaven" was deserved. RIP Charlie
Charlie is definitely still using Heroin, he is a full addict, who is fighting his addiction. And stashing drugs is not empowering, no counselor would advice you this. It is something addicts have the feel to do because they fear missing their drug. Thats why alcoholics always have alcohol at home, and it would be a worst case scenario if a recovering alcoholic would still stash alcohol at home.
ITT: People hanging onto outdated ideas on addiction and recovery.
OP, if you're seeing this, know that I get where you're coming from. Lots of recovering addicts in my extended family. Understanding and flexibility are the only things that have made most of them successfully stay clean. I hope you're doing well on your journey. 💝
@@mirandaswan1719I'm so sorry for your loss, friend. 😢
1:26:00 thank you for talking about this. I could never put my finger on why it made me uncomfortable that they address Hurley's weight of all things. Now being older and slightly wiser I know that its just as unrealistic for the dudes to keep their hairless, rippling muscles. My dad and I did always make fun of the perpetual stubble most of the dudes seem to keep at just the right length for the unkempt, rugged appeal. Where's my plotline about Sayid trimming his beard so perfectly! I demand accuracy!
Also the very realistic way that the female characters never get hairy (legs, armpits, unibrow, etc) and lady characters like Claire manage to style and trim their bangs lmao
@@blurrycryptid Not to mention all the bleach-blonds are somehow managing to keep their hair dyed. That drove me crazy in The Walking Dead, too.
@@SunnysFilmsreal blonde people are becoming rare. Thanks to modern antiwhite racist media blonde women avoid me as a blonde man telling me they feel like its incest. What in the actual fuck
They had all kinds of bathroom supplies from the plane crash witch kept them going for the 3 months they were on the island
@@HACKTACULAR. Was it really only 3 months? Felt like 10 years, damn.
Showrunners: "please let Lost die when it's ready"
Fans: "please let Lost die when it's ready"
Critics: "let Lost die when it's ready, or you suck"
Disney/ABC: "ten seasons, minimum"
Showrunners: "LET-"
Fans: "- LOST -"
Critics: "- DIE."
Network execs: "Five more seasons, take it or leave it."
Still not as awful as the Fox TV execs who were responsible for cancelling Futurama and Arrested Development.
Other fans.... reboot lost with all woman haha
@@billycox475 and canceled king of the hill for the fucking cleavland show 🤦🤦🤦
@@billycox475 tbh Futurama ended at the right time
You remind me of some kid in our highschool who till this day is called "Lost". His fixation on lost was so insane & infectious he got our whole class watching it! Good stuff.
That’s so sick. I’m 24 so I wasn’t old enough to get this at the time it came out. Would of loved to of been hooked
@@dylfromthe6 man wish you were "able" then... doubt i've ever seen a show more hyped up, if social media was THE thing (it was a thing but not ... very premature, if you get my drift) there's never been more hype around a tv show, even GOT doesn't match
@@dylfromthe6 man wish you wre "able" back then! social media was was a thing but it wasn't THE thing! damn, lost was the shit, no week went by without wondering, when that "kickass movie" kid was about to die, he said "man, i didn't even get to know the concludion of LOST", we ALL felt that. imo.... it was bigger than GOT just a lack of social media hype
plus, damon lindeloff (& jj abrams by extension cause thats his apprentice) has no awnsers to the most spectcular questions that magic mysery box of his so issues were bound to occur)
He sounds awesome
Damn, I always hated Ana Lucia but loved that season. Your description about her role in the whole season has changed my perspective on whether they should have “deleted” her role - her tragedy truly was integral to painting a picture of how the islanders “should” behave in their predicament.
I’ve always had a latent respect for Lindelof but this truly magnified that - he really took ownership and honesty of all the missteps they made. Super cool and makes sense why his later projects have seen such improvement
I've now officially watched more hours of Billiam talking about Lost, than I have watching actual episodes of Lost.
Same
Me too
I mean that was true from the start for me
@@boomfanfic-a-latta8996 me too. I’ve never watched an episode. Billy is just a great creator. His take on things and the way he produces his content is just generally entertaining. Last night I watched his gossip girl video. No other creator I watch could get me to watch something like that Lmao
Same. But I’m glad cause I don’t have it in me to watch it.
I've watched the entire video and completely agree the ending where they find a hoard of girl tech toys and instantly become so cool and so connected that they decide to stay on the island was a masterpiece of writing not just on screen but in any medium. Absolutely fantastic video 10/10
This man watched the video at x60 speed.
It's really impressive that you watched the whole video in 2 minutes, you must be really cool and connected too
How
@@samlewis6487 lol
The joke of this comment just kinda flew over some people's heads, huh?
My own thinking is that Walt was supposed to be the vehicle for all the weird psychic stuff on the island (duh) and Eko was introduced to take his place. When Eko decided to leave, most of that was dumped on Hurley which, while great for his character, is still immensely frustrating given how intensely Eko had been developed, and how abruptly he was abandoned. As you said basically.
Jacob in season 6: “I didn’t pluck any of you out of a happy existence”
Ana-Lucia: *accepts her demons and begins the journey to getting better and reconnecting with her mother only to be thrust into a leadership/survival role where Jacob’s followers terrorize and murder her and her people*
Jacob: “you’re welcome”
She wasn't a candidate. Everyone else in the plane was fodder for him. Jacob was a dick
"Who the hell's Nikki?" is my favorite line in this entire show as well as tying to how self-aware the writing became that they addressed that our main cast of survivors are in fact the main characters even within the context of it being real life for them
The show wrecked did a parody of this. Multiple times. When a couple of main characters were trapped, one of the background characters rescued them. And when they got up there, they asked who he was. And he said he’d been there the whole time. Someone in the show also mentioned how they were like 10 survivors who had been acting like they are the only ones around.
@@LinkPizza is it like a parody series?
@@geegeep yeah, one I really enjoyed too
@@geegeep 0
*razzle dazzle!*
Before Billiam I always saw this show as a cool show that should have been great. But now, thanks to the back story, I see it was a actually a good show that should have been terrible. It really succeeded in spite of all factors.
JJ Abrams' show 'Alias' is exactly like this also. Ought to suck, is great, *feels* like it should have been better anyway.
@@TheHopperUK kinda reminds me of the Star Wars sequels.
@@TheHopperUK I think you have the right of it. It was a great show that frustrated all of us at one point or another because we so desperately wanted it to be "perfect". Part of the problem is that we all have our own private definition of what "perfect" is.
Seanie B did a video about the show over a year ago that was also really great and got me to change my perspective on the show as well. I was pretty dismissive of Lost because having watched it when it aired with my uncle we were both pissed after the final episode. I really don't know what we were expecting but we were swept up in the hype of it all, ya know? So for years I would recommend watching Lost but only if they wouldn't mind mysteries that never get solved and a lackluster ending. I was pretty cynical about it almost to a comical extent. But, watching Seanie B come back from the fucking dead seemingly (he was a big figure in the community making videos about the show back then) and present such a friendly take on the show really helped me remember it in a new, more positive light. The video is just around an hour and highly recommended it you want even more Lost content!
EDIT: My bad, that video is almost 2 hours! The channel is his name, Seanie B.
The fact that the two show runners were looking for an escape from it immediately, and actively campaigning for it to end while working on season 2 makes me think it's still a show that could've been great, Damon and Cuse were afraid, and unfortunately in over their head from the get go.
I just rewatched lost for the 4th time and I feel like it’s at its best the second or third time you watch it bc there’s so many little Easter eggs you pick up on and really makes it fun to rewatch. They don’t make shows like Lost anymore and the musical score was so good too! I loved all 92 hours of the show!
I've watched 9 straight hours about your content on Lost. And yet here I am, angry at you for not having a part three out yet. Great job
Part 3 is out! I’m rewatching all these videos now after it 😂
Thanks for having me read some lines! Truly honored! Watching through this massive project now, so proud of you bud!
It's quite an achievement 👏
Ooh can we get a time stamp
Do you remember when Jordan Fringe was in that Lost Billiam Video?
2:04:25 had to make a double take when i heard jordan voice in the video, how cool you finally could collaborate!
"Hello there"!
I can’t believe you made a 6 hour lost video and that’s despite the fact I’m in it
It's pretty crazy
Pyrocynical made a 7 hour long video about tv show likes that no one has heard of.
That one weirdo quinton does it all the time with kids shows.. 🤐
@@damienlarson4145 And it was a fantastic video
@@damienlarson4145 isn’t Euphoria pretty popular?
The last three minutes of you foreshadowing that you love the last three seasons is making me hype as hell because they are so goddamn good and now I need to rewatch them. Thanks for making these and dispelling the bad feels people have about this beautiful messy masterpiece
Season 5 is my fav episode! I hate when people treat the last seasons as when the show “got bad”. For me it was only briefly creeping into bad when it clearly wasn’t allowed to end. But I am being generous, I pretty much love the entirety of Lost with specific isolated filler episodes as annoying but not hated.
I just finished up re-watching the entire series a third time and picked up a whole lot I didn't get during the first two re-watches. I actually watched it to analyze it this time. The episode where Locke's father suddenly appears on the island and insinuates it's hell... the one where Richard's security question is "What is this island..." the other one where Richard arrives on the island and they all scream "The island is guarded by the devil." There were 48 total writing credits on Lost. It was not written from beginning to finish by the creators or even the two main writers.
It's very obvious that no matter what the creators intended, there is a very strong implication that the island is hell... or heaven... depending on how far along the journey you are. You could still twist that into 'hell is a place on earth," but with titles like "This place is death..." and the fact that some of the writers were reading the Tibetan book of the dead - where you have to realize you're dead before you are - yeah, at least some of the writers completely did not see the island the way the creators did. They took it where maybe the creators were trying to go away from. The show always had a strong push-pull element in terms of what was really going on. Even Josh Holloway refused to believe that the island wasn't some type of purgatory. Maybe they took it too far in that direction to keep people watching, not sure, but they did it so much that no rational watcher could escape that it's possible they were all in a "next life" on the island. Desmond's "See you in the next life..." time travel, etc. Whether they meant to or not, it's an obvious form of the afterlife. There's even an episode called "It flashes before your eyes..." The show is clearly about life or death, and with the "magical" properties they gave the island, you could construe it as either one of those things the whole series through.
Sorry, this show fascinates me. But what fascinates me most is that the creators refuse to admit it was a form of the afterlife. Maybe their writers slipped one by them. Whether they like it or not, some of them steered the story there and left clues far too glaring to take it back.
@@ko7577 i think they deny it simply because so many people roll their eyes at spiritual stuff, but those of us who know... KNOW 😉
@@AliciaGuitar Networks shun the supernatural left and right. Even Rod Serling got bullshit when he went too far overboard, and sometimes he'd hide supernatural/spiritual things in his fantasy scripts. It was a way to say anything without more practical people noticing the anything. Kind of neat I think. I'm sure with Lost coming out so close to the Sixth Sense, they were probably given firm orders not to take it there. But they got damn close.
Me watching this entire video for the second time is the greatest symptom of my untreated mental illness
Boy do I feel this, it's like the 4th time for me 😭
These comments are so odd bc like- 'comfort' entertainment exists for a reason
Just bc this video exists on UA-cam doesn't make it strange that folks enjoy rewatching lol
"Nikki is dead."
*dramatic pause, music, and close up*
"Who the hell is Nikki?"
Is the single best piece of TV comedy I have ever seen.
Yeah, she got killed off pretty quick. Rip
When he said "who the hell is Nikki?"
I felt that 😂
Dude that was Scott
It's insane that I feel like I remember Lost having well over 10 seasons. It absolutely shocked me to my core to remember that Lost only had 6 seasons... People always made such a big deal about Lost going on FOREVER. I remember people telling jokes like "at the end of the world, there will only be 3 things: cockroaches, Twinkies, and a new season of Lost". Nowadays, it is absolutely normal for a show to run for 6 seasons.
The idea of the world ending and tje crew of Lost being the sole survivors, obliviously filming the new season, not realizing the show has become their reality is a good premise for a horror movie
@@juliamavroidi8601 this is a great idea.
It wasn't even uncommon at the time for a show to have six seasons. Not sure what gave that impression. I guess people were just anxious to see how it ends.
Six seasons of a network show in the 2000s is the equivalent of roughly fourteen of a prestige drama now, so the perceived length of time makes sense.
I thought it had 11 seasons? What? 6? Mandela?
I’m amazed that you put out a six hour video then proceeded to upload consistently for the next little while. It’s also a great video. Good to have you back.
Time to finally watch this to celebrate the channel coming back
Well? What did you think?
If I had a nickel for everytime the red socks winning the World Series changed the story of a show/movie, I’d have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.
What’s the other?
@@albstare ALBERT DIDN"T WATCH THE VIDEO!!!!!!!
@@billiam haha I got there eventually.
@@billiam
It's also possible that with the infodump, some got lost along the way. For example, I just passed 3:41:00 and I have no idea at this point whether or not you've covered the answer to that question because it's all turned into background noise.
@@thebigdawgj you’re just not at that part yet, it’s at 4:07:40
After two weeks, I've finally finished Billiam's six-hour cry for help. I'm now patiently waiting for a 10-hour Part 3.
Maybe then, we'll find the secret to a perfect work/life balance.
The first was 3, this was 6. It would only make sense for this one to be 12 instead of 10
@@bluscout31yrago55 You know what I watched a 7 hour death stranding review. I can go for 12.
(I haven't played Death stranding and I haven't watched Lost.)
@@Victor-um9ce neither have I lmao
Best comment
@@bluscout31yrago55 or 9 hours
I loved "Expose" so much. I honestly hadn't really noticed either of them all season long and thought the entirety of their characters were made for a single one-and-done episode. It was only years later I learned that Nikki & Paolo were apparently so hated, which I was floored by since (to me at least) they'd been doing a pretty good job as "background characters that were here the whole time trust us".
And honestly it's a shame that nowadays that episode gets remembered more as "the episode that killed Nikki & Paolo, thank god, we hated them" instead of as the actual cool episode concept that it is.
I'm just in awe of you for persevering through this. This is seriously incredible. Like?? You deserve all the kudos for this.
Tbf, fangirling over your favorite TV series with your friends and getting paid for it is the epitome of living the dream
The big nose fish eye lense on jack is truly revolutionary. It literally sums up his character in 1 frame lol
Long form content at this quality is really hard and tedious to do, crazy respect for this Lost Series. I'm someone who missed this show growing up in the UK, but enjoy watching videos like this to try and catchup. I think this does it so much justice, ty Bil
Same! I was a bit young for it at the time/my mom hated long series like this so I'd be watching anything but on my three channels, but I love Longform content like this; especially when i have no desire to invest the time and watch the actual series.
@@astroblast2325 yesssss it’s a recap with all the meaty bits!
I watched on Netflix DVD when I was a young kiddo. Rewatched as a grown up and it made me cry a few times and sometimes changed my view point on certain things. It's cheesy at times, sometimes it's very 200s surface level, sometimes the music gets old when you're binging it... But I love it so much.
I am legit confused as to why he refused to talk about the last 2 seasons…. At all.
@@ryanelliott6706 It will be coming in another installment. Somewhere… out there… in the future ✨
Been waiting months for this!
Same!
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Here is the full vid:
@@recitationtohear bot
Dude I love you more on Absolutely Marvel and dc
Same and I don't even like Lost
Michael's character really took a dive after Walt got kidnapped, like 4 seasons of him just screaming "MY SOOON"
He wasn't even on the show for 4 seasons.
@@kuhpunkt it was an exaggeration
Im rewatching (again) and in the pilot when he first screams for Walt i had flashbacks 😅 even before the boat he was always losing him 😂
i feel like i’ve been waiting for someone to make a video on Lost like this for years, but it still exceeded my expectations. 6 hours??? this is insanely incredible work man great video
And this is only like the 2nd of a several part series he made.
Mistakes aside, nothing can take away the amazing experience of watching this Wednesday nights and theorizing about it with my friends the next day at work. The hatch mystery and and discovery of what was inside was amazing.
It really was so fun. I was in high school at the time and every Thursday the halls would be buzzing with the sounds of everybody talking about how crazy the previous night's episode was. Good times!
*ua-cam.com/video/zj4Gzp2lI2I/v-deo.html*
Finally it's here.
My friends group had parties in the later seasons it was awesome only show we've ever done that for
100% agree. Taking a retrospective look back at the whole product is one thing... but at the time, sitting down every Wednesday with my brother and dad, freaking out over every plot reveal, spending every second of the commercial breaks fervently theorizing..
It was an awesome and unique experience, at least live.
what was inside? nothing was inside. there was never anything behind any of the mysteries. its the world's ultimate letdown. it was absolute garbage. everything from Lindelof, abrams and all those guys is 110% dog crap. ive learned my lesson to never give them another chance.
Creating a 8-9 hour retrospective that people actually want to watch is UA-cam Goals
The ol Quinton reviews model
EFAP moment
uh this one's like 2 hours short of that though bro
@@josephpayne9011 adding this one and his first video together that’s what they’re talking about😐
Have you seen Genosamuel's Chris Chan documentary?
We gonna get a part 3?? I’ve loved these deep dives. My husband said “with the length of these videos, you could just watch the show” but this is way better tbh thanks Billiam
Yes, next year.
Nah this is less time wasted then actually watching it
@@kuhpunkt haha its you again. I've been rewatching LOST lately and I've seen you under almost every LOST video I've watched, for a long time too considering this comment is from 8 months ago but another comment of yours was from just 2 weeks ago. always happy to see a huge lost fan
@@DavrK Ehm... you must confuse me with someone else! I would never post a comment under almost every Lost video. No no no, not me!
I tried to watch it, there’s a LOTTTTTTT of filler that Billiam cuts out. I liked season one but I couldn’t really get through season 2. Billiams deep dive is WAY better.
Main takeaway from this entire video is that while the overarching story of Lost is kinda disjointed and convoluted, their characters are always what hit home for me.
This feels very true to me as well. Story got weird sometimes but the characters helped us keep hooked into the show
This feels very true to me as well. Story got weird sometimes but the characters helped us keep hooked into the show
I'm just so happy to finally know the story of John Locke, the man who invented the best Pokemon Let's Play format.
Lmao everytime he says John Locke or Rousseau I think about philosophy class.
@@ThatGirlJD they just arbitrarily dropped those nuggets. Pretty good. Also Jeremy Bentham, Richard Alpert… Mikhail Bakunin. I’m sure there were a few more I’ve missed or forgotten
@@JJJJJVVVVVLLLLL I think Desmond "Hume" was one nod as well...
@@JJJJJVVVVVLLLLL They are not that arbitrary though. John Locke in the show essentially embodies the "tabula rasa" theme of the island, he is reborn into a man with a life of meaning, one of the first episodes is even named after that.
@@ivannas5540 not entirely arbitrary but not entirely descriptive either. Faraday, Sawyer, Austen, Hume yeah in and on they allude to very general themes. Linus needing security. It gives you a nugget of info
The reoccurring mention of how shows aren't meant to go on forever, despite what TV networks want, got me thinking about how Dr Who really got an airtight premise: Adventures of a reincarnating space-time traveler, that allows it to go on theoretically forever. Whoever pitched that pilot did every future writer for the show a massive favor.
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Similarly, (and bear with me here) Jojo's bizarre adventure sealed itself as when the main character's main story was over, it shifts to following the descendants of the main characters, again, allowing it to theoretically go on forever.
If I recall, the Doctor regenerating wasn't actually part of the lore from the start, it was pretty much just an on-the-fly excuse to keep the show going after Hartnell left. Basically, it was a desperate fluke and now it's the longest-running sci-fi show of all time, and it's probably going to continue until the end of time seeing as not even Chibnall could kill it. And boy did he _try._
i actually just started watching jojo and yeah. it's a really smart way to keep the bizarre adventures going when they're all connected in some way, whether it's through literal blood or plot points (just finished part 2 with joseph and about halfway in jotaro's arc) related to some extent
Doctor Who works because the actors know stories can'tbe eternal. Mainly because tv was in its infancy and most of them had as much of more theatre experience. Poor Bill Hartnell was fired by a shitty showrunner but from Thoughton on all actors decided they only wanted to be on for 3-4 years. So the story basically resets every 4 years.
@@voracioussergal9360 One piece may be a VERY long running series but it is not a story who's premise allows it to run indefinitely. Every major characters has a dream that they are passively working towards and this moment HAS to occur or the story will lose all momentum and a large portion of the fanbase
Well, yeah.. shows turn sour when their plot beats should satisfyingly resolve.. but are artificially bloated forward.
Good thing about the type of shows you mentioned is that you can wipe the story slate clean, bust it back down to just the premise, and build brand new themes and plots.
One of the reasons I really love this show is the sound design for the monster and many others, it's so interesting to listen to
That Shrek dvd menu "play the movie" reference at 33:03 was on point!
I really appreciate this show’s depiction of Nigerian Catholic priests and the turmoil in their country. As a Catholic myself in an area where Catholicism isn’t the most popular religion, I’ve met 5 different Nigerian priests. They are all amazing individuals and from what they’ve told me, Lost’s depiction of Nigeria is pretty accurate. Eko was a really good addition to the show in my opinion.
Eko was a fantastic character and Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje a brilliant actor to boot! Wished there was more of him, but I believe AAA's reluctance to sign a contract extension led to him being killed off.
My dad and I started watching this show when it first came out. I was fifteen. Every weekend, we would sit together on the couch and try to figure out the mysteries. He died unexpectedly in 2007 and I couldn't watch it after that. It made me so sad to hear about how it had gone downhill with such a cool premise. I appreciate this in depth video and my heart goes out to the writers who were stuck in a lose lose situation. I go back and watch some of the early episodes sometimes but I've never been able to finish the series. It was good. I miss the early 2000s.
God Bless your dad…
When you're ready, god damn is that gunna be a cathartic watch for you. Please don't put it off forever.
Rewatch it and go through it till the end.
It doesn't go downhill. It goes down and back up. There's good stuff through to the end
I watched it with my little sister who passed away from cancer almost 2 years ago. I also can’t bring myself to finish it. It’s painful to think about :(
Of all the things Clancy Brown has done it tickles me his most iconic role is one where he's an anthropomorphic crab lmao
This!
For some reason Lost got in my head again and then I found your videos and just spent the past few days watching Part 1 & 2 and really hoping for a part 3.
tmrw will be the official one year anniversary of this video
Thank you for providing this long form content
This era of lost, prison break and heroes was a weird time for tv. Excellent video Billiam, I hope you're able to take a break after this.
Holy shit billiam should cover heroes
@@chrissepe9859 we need to protect his mental health
@@chrissepe9859 would be a dream come true
Ive now listened to 9 and a half hours of you talking about a show i havent watched a single ep of. Love all the videos man! Hope youre doing well!
You’re a true champion of the people
Literally me! I love all of these Lost videos. Billiam's passion oozes through, I love it
All good things must come to an end. It’s unfortunate because LOST was so much more than a tv show to me. It aired when I was a lonely, shy and awkward kid in school. The characters of the show felt like my friends, my family… some of them were people I looked up to, I learned important social lessons from others but this show will always hold a special place in my heart. I could always sit down and watch that show again.
That.. is wholesome and sad at the same time, somehow..
I can't wait to see your take on the last seasons. I loved the series when it first aired but hated the end, but I've come around to it in the years since. Your retrospective is excellent.
I've been slowly watching this in chunks when I have 30 minutes or so to spare for the past week now.... I cannot belive I still have 2 hours left and I cannot believe I'm still so invested hearing about this show I never watched. The fact that you can make me so interested in 8 hours worth of video essays where i have no context is insane- seriously amazing. Cannot wait for the next 8 hours :)
Missed out on a great show with big impact back then to watch 6 hours to a guy with a voice like nails on a chalkboard. Bad bad decision honestly
You sound like the perfect target for audiobooks, man. That bein said too never saw the series but quite enjoyed the video. Long analysis like this are my jam.
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti damn ok ya hater
Billiam is really decent imo. agree/disagree w his conclusions, doesn’t matter to me. He’s enthusiastic and his cohorts are good
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti why are you in the comments section of his video?
I loved the character of Ana Lucia, and the episode "The Other 48 Days" was one of my favorite episodes when it aired. Yeah, she's unlikable, but that's the point. Like you said, she's a tragic character. The fact that to this day most Lost fans still don't like her is a testament to the writing and acting. She never really opened up to anyone and didn't trust anyone, only to be shot when she tries to trust Michael, kind of proving her point.
Especially since the first time she get shot and had a miscarriage, she let her guard down and gave the benefit of the doubt to someone facing her for a few seconds only to get shot in the stomach. She had to go through so much unlearning and trusting again only to have the same scenario happen again while this time, it felt more like a "fool me twice, shame on me"... Truly heartbreaking
4:10:00 truth is rabbits can be pretty delicate, shaking a cage that much could quite easily kill one without anything stuck in their heart at all. Poor bun.
Ben Linus is among the best characters in all of television history.
The "We have to go back" flash forward felt like such a rollercoaster of emotions the first time I saw it. And it still feels like a gut punch. Ripping apart the expectation that the show would end when they finally do escape the island a la Gilligan's Island was such a power move (even with knowing the end of the show was very much only in the hands of higher up execs)
Mr. Eko’s easily my favorite character. His final episode is so great. Him triumphantly telling Smokey/his brother “I have not sinned!” Is one of my favorite moments in the show. I do wonder what they’d have done with him over the course of the show. Would he have taken over the role of Jacob at the end? Would one of the numbers have represented him? Would he have taken over as leader of the Others after Locke?
It's a shame he was so problematic on set
@@Revealingstorm. Could have sworn he asked to be written out of the show because both his parents passed away nearly back to back
@@slurjkblohm that might be also true but it was well know he didn't get along with a lot of the cast on set
@@Revealingstorm. oh, old knowledge teaching slipped my mind I suppose, cause I was DEEP into this show. That *is* a shame.
The same guy that made the heroin that go Charlie hook on I get it he Redeem himself, but he was a drug lord
Number of times I’ve checked Billiam’s page for the next Lost video: 4…..no, 8……15…16…23…42….
I am emotionally unstable and I desperately need the part 3
The Rose-Bernard story line STILL makes me cry like nearly 20 years later 💜💔
Same. As I get older, it just gets more and more of a tearjerker
Every time you said “I’ll get to that in the next episode” all I could think is “that must be from a past version of this script when this was broken up into multiple parts.”
Because I didn’t realize that this saga wasn’t done yet. I thought with this 6 hour monstrosity you would be done with Lost, which shows how little I knew about Lost going into this.
I commend you for putting all this time and effort and energy into writing, and analysis, and on-location shooting. This was a task that I have no doubt nearly killed you and the fact that you have another one on the way is terrifying.
I thought this was the end too, but then I realized that in the first one he spent three hours on one season so when he started this video saying that he was covering seasons 2 and 3 it started to make sense
Same, when we're 30 min from to the ending, and we're still in season 3, oh no
Mate, I watched Lost. and I thought the 6 hour monstrosity covered the whole thing. I am just sitting here feeling empty.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I really enjoyed "season 2.5". Putting the main three characters in a singular, new location where we can dive deep into their pasts and explore their personalities was a great way to open the season, to differentiate it from the previous one. it also has the perfect excuse to introduce new characters and have them interact with our old ones.
Man I’ve finally finished lost after starting it in 8th grade and I just gotta say… WHAT? I need a billiam video explaining what just happened, I’ve been waiting for part 3 for months I hope this series comes back
Wait like when did you start watching the show and when did you finish, how many years in between??
Not in a judgy way I'm just curious bc its so hard to keep track of this show sometimes 😭😂
Weirdly enough I remember Lost being one of the main reasons that Pokemon Nuzlockes became popular, cause the first major exposure alot of people got to Nuzlockes early on was a web comic of the same name that was filled to the brim with dank Lost memes
Well... LOST is how Nuzlocke got its name. Nuzleaf was named Locke, because it was a theme of the Hard Mode.
I need to read them again.
Interesting
iirc, that person invented Nuzlockes, and they didn’t even call it a Nuzlocke. the name come from a mash up of the pokemon Nuzleaf and its nickname John Locke bc the person was a fan of Lost. the pokemon lived for a long time and kind of became of fan/player favorite. the hand drawn comic often featured the Seedot/Nuzleaf in a likeness of John Locke when giving advice to the playercharacter. its. my favorite bizarre piece of pokemon history; that its inextricably linked to Lost basically as long as pokemon will be popular. ty for bringing it up
So excited for this. LOST was the only show that I ever binged so hard I had dreams about it for several nights in a row. I was LOST in the sauce for real.
too bad that it was total crap
@@djangofett4879I wouldn't call it crap til the back half but hey, to each their own, bud. Sorry you didn't enjoy it.
@@djangofett4879 It changed tv forever. It's the best show that ever was and ever will be. I still re watch it every year
@@djangofett4879 so edgy
@@ancientideas "It's the best show that ever was"
Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul ran circles around it.
"and ever will be."
You've already been proven wrong, not that you needed to be as you can't see into the future.
Saw a joke that the next episode will be 10 hours long but I legit am expecting episode 3 to finish off the series in a 10 hour extravaganza. Here's hoping we get it only a year after this video or, hopefully, sooner.
This is hands down the most amount of work and dedication I've seen in all youtube. Not a single time I felt bored. Is just amazing how you can talk about lost so passionately and keep up with the humor, references and all stuff. Is just amazing. 6 hours of content no less. I'm expecting the next one with dying breath.
I clicked on this and nearly panicked at the 6 and half hours this clip had. I can only imagine how many hours this and part 1 took. Billiam are you okay? Blink twice if you need help.
The "Castaways" joke really got me, oh my gosh.
I am so invested in a show I've never seen, dude. I also adore how Billiam is able to say that he doesn't like a certain character but can still do a deep psychological dive on how they're still tragic. So many people online will say "I hate this character so they suck and are one dimensional". So I love seeing the nuance that you're able to have!
the skits intersplicing your chapters is genius production, I am very impressed. It works on a consumer level, but its also brilliant for branding your channel and marketing whatever you sponsor.
It shows a lot of talent the way you and your team can provide a fun narrative for why you're going from scene to scene; and the way you dress the set to match is just too good not to comment on.
I came for Lost, I thought I was just gonna stay for Lost, but the channel is too damn charming not to check out more.
Yo, where's part 3?? You were just getting to the nitty gritty. Those first two parts are just preamble. For real, though, this is awesome. Can't wait for part 3.
all the discussion of ben here is incredible. i'd truly never thought about the idea of ben being an analogue to obsessive fans of the show but the way you explained it makes so much sense! what an amazing character!
I'm so happy you mentioned Battlestar Galactica! I worked at a movie theater at the time, and all of the employees were OBSESSED with that show. Each shift we'd argue over who was/wasn't a cylon and discuss other theories as well. It was probably the most fun I had watching a TV show. Do yourself a favor and watch that show completely blind with a group of close friends.
Despite being a huge fanboy of similar media, I've never seen a second of that show, or even heard anything about it. Other than from Dwight Schrute. I'm assuming this Cylon thing is similar to guessing which avenger might be a skrull.
Sounds cool! Might finally look into it.
@@karenamyx2205 You're not wrong about the skrull comparison. Fairly early on IIRC you learn the cylons (the evil robot army, in super reductive terms) have developed 12 models that look like humans. Which means a dozen actors, either guest stars or members of the main cast, could turn out to be moles for the other side in an intergalactic war-- whether they know it or not. And you never know when the show will pull one of these reveals. It's good stuff.
@Skynet1 Agreed, though you might want to edit that comment since there's someone else in this thread who hasn't seen the show, and that's a pretty big reveal to spoil.
This is probably the best video on UA-cam. Think I watched it 4 times now, and I never even watched Lost. It's a shame that this video is so short! Can't wait for part 3. Go Billiam and team!!!
I was a kid when lost aired so I missed all the media buzz. It's really fascinating learning how the show was promoted and how the media ecosystem of the early 2000's compares to the one in present day.
I was old enough to remember watching some episodes with my family but def too young to remember the media and press about it and be aware of all that at the time so I'm really fascinated hearing about it too!!
After watching the previous Lost vid 8 months ago I thought. "Aww maybe he isn't going to put out more about the show." Then we get this glorious 6 hour thing that goes into every nook and cranny of this show. I really appreciate all the theme analysis and the tying together the inside-baseball stuff of the writers / interviews.
The fact that 6 hours wasn't enough to do the complete show is both scary and exciting for what the next vid will be. Thanks for putting this out!
Right! Its awesome and cannot wait for part 3
NOT EVERY NOOK AND CRANNY, JOHN
Have to be in the hospital overnight and have given up on sleep with how loud and bright it is. My first thought to fill the hours before surgery was to put on your lost videos because they’re both awesome and long so thank you! I’d be going crazy trying to fill the time without these so I extra appreciate them 😂
Hey did surgery go ok?OK?? Hope you're doing alright my friend, I hope you're getting good rest and have some good people with you 💜 the hospital at least for me can be very scary, hope youre hanging in there if you see this comment :)
@@alim.9801 Surgery went well and I’ve watched the 10 hours of LOST videos at least three times haha
The irony in the Jack-Kate-Sawyer love triangle is that Jack is actually the controlling, manipulative, abusive one. Not all abuse is physical. Jack is the one who has all the other characteristics of an abuser, not Sawyer
Jack def has those characteristics, but let’s not forget how Sawyer manipulated her into kissing him despite knowing she had no desire to. Huge lack of respecting sexual boundaries there.
Why are people acting like there's a "worse" way to be abusive. Abuse is abuse. They both sound awful.
Now that is a displaced focus and has nothing to do with Jack's journey. In a proper context you have a renown surgeon involved with two murders that's called a triangle? Haha, Jack is controlling vs two murderers. Cra, cra fixation. What a lame empty vessel and a distraction to a rather good series.
@@starbucksthiholsters that’s just called “conning” a kiss
@@starbucksthiholsters who says she doesn't want to kiss from Sawyer?
THE best season opening ever... that misdirect with Desmond in the hatch was like a Neo in the Matrix type moment. So good!!
and then they did it again with The Others in Season 3 AAAAHHHH
I was so obsessed with this show. It was before the internet for me. One year during the season finale we had a local tornado storm where our local news played tornado warnings over the show. I actually called the station and screamed at them. People could have been dying or losing their homes and all I cared about was lost.
You missed a bunch without the internet the lost message board and theories was great, never understood why they didn't go with one of those
Reasonable reaction tbh. Lost was unprecedented
Cringe
@@MrAjking808 what is
@@hoosthere "and theories was great, never understood why they didn't go with one of those"
Fan theories would be laughed out of a writer's room for the same reason most fan fiction would. Most of them suck ass.
4:20:38 That Rum Ham bit really had me rolling dude. I love that Mac was in the show as security...
Billiam has become one of my favorite UA-cam channels, and this massive undertaking has proved that he has the chops to be a fantastic content creator. Who TF else would make a six and a half hour video so that the rest of us GenZs could understand a TV series that came out while we were little kids. Absolute legend.
As a millenial who’s late childhood was shaped by this show I would love for gen z to start watching it. It was a product of its culture at the time but it is also so much more than that. Just a fantastic story. And when it’s all over I highly urge using Lostpedia to look up any lingering questions-almost if not everything has some sort of explanation I promise!
Waiting 8 months for the next part is completely worth it. Especially since the video is 6 HOURS LONG. Thank you for all the hard work!
These videos are iconic and perfectly encapsulate all my feelings towards Lost. People love to knock it for the ending, but completely forget how much of an impact it had on tv and how it really paved the way for big stories on the "small" screen.
The ending is good.
@@rakino4418 *the ending is good!!!*
That part at just less than ten minutes in where you start demonstrating the real life parallels and what the writers were creating is honestly so so fantastic. I love ur shit bro. Cant wait to watch the rest of this.
Well it took about 5 days of watching off and on but I finally finished part 1 and 2 of these videos! I must say... I thought my husband was a big Lost fan because he talks about it even now many years later about how it's one of his favorite shows... but dude I think you might be one of the biggest Lost fans I have EVER seen! You did a great job with this series and I think you captured the whole feel of the series.
Also *SPOILER* Charlie dying is one of the hardest things I went through as a kid! He was my absolute favorite character from season 1 and when he found those Mary statues I actually cried because I was so afraid he would fall back to his old ways. When he died I had to turn off that episode and finish it later because I was so upset back in the day. Wish he could have lived on with Clair and the baby :(
I got my brother to watch the first part of your LOST series. He loved LOST so much. He passed away now but he would have loved to see this. Thanks for all your hard work, man.
Damn, this comment made me realize it's been 8 months since the first one. Sorry for your loss bro
Well that took a turn.
I'm so sorry for your loss 😥
Fun story: After watching your first video and remembering what made me love Lost so much back when it aired, I ordered the first season DVD set off eBay. Well, weeks later and I realize it got... wait for it... *lost* in the mail. Of all the things, right? I don't know if that's irony or what, but it's somewhere in the ballpark.
It was "losened" in the mail?
I found your package in the rusted-out remains of an old VW bus...
Everyone forgets Heroes. It was a major network sci-if show that came out in 2004 as well. Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Heroes didn't come out in 2004.
Put this on and fell asleep.... broh I had the wildest dream ever
If it involved cuddling with Billiam, Same thing happened to me