Problem is Sinking is NOT "fixed damage" it's gloom damage so it is affected by resistences. Rupture IS fixed(true) damage which is why it needs to kept under control via inconvenience else it dominates the rest of the game.
Imo that just makes sinking even better Theres fights where it gets stronger because of that function, and fights where its weaker, but its possible to change the enemy resistances with debuffs anyway
See heres the thing with Rupture Compared to Sinking, theres WAY less thing to make Rupture counterable Like, at least Sinking has to deal with multiple things 1. They dont do damage on Sanity fights, just make rolls worse for target, and only things like Deluge or Butterfly actually make them take damage through Sinking 2. Even if you are in Non Sanity fight, theres the problem with Gloom resist, which Rupture doesnt have trouble with since its fixed damage not Sin damage 3. Minus Coin, trust me, dont fight someone like Kim with Sinking 4. Passives that instantly recover Sanity to 45 like Gasharpoon Really the only reason why Rupture get such weird Supports, is because of Red Sheet Sinclair breaking the game Even in Off field he would break the game
Passives that instantly recover to 45 don't mean much if you can keep the sinking count and potency when it recovers SP. "Haha, Ishmael ! I have recovered to 45 SP !" The one guy who's about to perform an unopposed attack on the 50/10 Ahab:
@@jdhdkehev8715 basically it gives whoever have highest hp atm 8 to 12 rupture potency on hit great for conditional rupture id such as devyat rodya and cinq meur
@@jdhdkehev8715oh trust me it is even more broken that they make it seem, there is a video showing it up, in a nutshell new rodya and mersau ID don’t consume count or add rupture count, but that passive makes rodya inflict 8 rupture WITH EACH COIN
@@jdhdkehev8715 With that support passive, somebody beat the Barber (our current strongest story boss) in four turns. _With only 4 Sinners._ Two of them weren't even attacking, they stood there and blocked so we git Gluttony Resonance for Talisman Sinclair's support passive.
is there any reason they can't just limit how many rupture potency you can inflict on an enemy? if they're scared of high-potency rupture damage then just limit it to 50 or some other number.
a lot of gacha don’t do direct nerfs on units and ESPECIALLY not statuses. people would just be unhappy if they nerfed rupture everywhere. I think the MOST most they would do is prob giving bosses passives that limit rupture potency(although yes, I do think that devdya and cinqsault with talisman sinclair on bench is rather broken, turn three canto 7 ???(cuz spoiler)…………
If only Nclair have sinking, rags for king cliff is just how guilty pleasure it is -30sp ready for king cliff s3 say no to 5 (well if your that unlucky) every use
The theory is great, but the practice is... Well, Sinclair would just corrode constantly instead of needing to spam EGO if you don't give him first slot.
@@senpyrothewizard8172 actually it wont cause it on use that will lower his sp i test his kit again every time he clash that he will lower his sp and rags gift description said on use too so theoretically he will forever at -15sp then to lower his sp with his skill. Ah wait i forget i also use the violet theme gift too crown of thorn help too turn started nclair will have 8sp work really well in boss and in normal encounter i wont take really long to make it to him have 3 atk slot so that wont likely happen that he is corrode
I did the fun with Sinking team like you (but I play with more of the worse team, without Yi Sang), it was okay. 2 fusions on Sinking fixes most of power problems, but damage. Damage without Sinking Deluge or butterfly is so low on enemies with sanity, especially if bosses have sanity (Nelly, Dongbaek, Harpoon trio, Ahab etc).
Good thing about it as well is that if you stack count 1 hit is all it takes for you to win every clash So you just take your fastest unit make it not clash and no worries anymore Even if the fight drags for like 20 turns
Aha! As a certified Rupture Brother (And I'm pretty sure I'm the guy who called rupture faction "Rupture Bros" on my now-exterminated reddit acc since reddit hates me), I must say I am COPING as forsooth, we are starving and PM won't give us nourishment that counts (pun intended) SAVE THE RUPTURE SOCIETY... ...LASSO E.G.O. Also, I want to share the fact that my sinking team is pretty much the same as thine own, with two exceptions of Rodion and Autism, as while both look good, they're also too count negative (Outis also does not go count positive, womp womp), and as such I use Dieci Meurmeur (I am a Meursault simp) and Butler Faust (my GOAT).
We are seeing a couple of Rupture things coming Hopefully this means it's Rupture Season this time Also Rodya is S3 is pretty good for Count also she has Rime Shank Give Rodya more S3s and since Discard is really good you usually get 3 turns to cycle to all your skills And 2 of them are S3s
I have about the same setup except I use Butler Faust instead of Dieci Rodya, and I keep Butler Outis on the team. Especially in story content, her really nice SP gain on gloom res helps stay ahead of the bosses while the others catch up, and I like that her Echoes of the Manor lasts longer, which works nice with Butler Faust because she inflicts 3 sinking count on S3 whenever the enemy already has Echoes, and i've never really noticed Outis tanking my count.
I do think if the blood fiend hunter Faust in the future can convert self bleed stacks to rupture count Via the lasso ego either giving bleed or being the conversion point would allow an interesting back and forth for count set up Could also see rupture become similar to charge count after consuming potency to increase the ID over time would be pretty nice Since right now it’s resonance spam deyvat rodion and make sure her health doesn’t fall off until 2 skills 3 go off With not a lot of support in helping with clashing or SP granted the damage is not bad
ah yes, good ol sinking, my second finished team after bleed…it has came rather a long way, I am just glad I don’t have to use bushsang stupid 9 rolling s1(skill issue on my part kinda) anymore
Well this season seem to have some Rupture support coming in, and from what I assume Horsey will also be Rupture support EGO. I really hope that those support are good and Rupture don't have to die because of the sin of an 00 ID.
wait +10 Levels = 3+ clash power?! I was wondering you say it's good to have. I just thought higher survivability and damage only I didn't think you get higher clash power
I am pretty sure every level increases you offense level Which is why you need to level your IDs to do more recent content otherwise the enemies will get the clash power What I mean is every 3 difference in offense level gives the unit with more offense level 1 clash power So if your offense level is 20 and the enemy is 50 it will get 10 clash power with any skill it uses
@@serminimus1 is that how it worked? I just had the main team at level 45 and Unga bungad. if it worked it worked if not Unga bunga again. unless there's a gimmick only then will I use my brain
@@serminimus1I will add more in that. Defense level to offense is also matters. Your ID will be tankier. You deal/get 2% more (scale down with more difference, never goes higher then 50%) damage for each point of difference in offense-defense levels
i like the way they are approuching rupture making units dont waste nor apply with X value,they can still make use from the status without breaking the game,the bad thing? they don't make this for all skills,like this new hong lu,this is bad,really bad,because you're just wasting the status...
Because nerfing an entire archetype (because changing it to gluttony WOULD be a nerf) would be disastrous for the same reason Project Moon got mauled for nerfing Ringsang; justifying the change as being to make stronger IDs in the future doesn’t remedy the fact making retroactive changes in Gacha is a nono and that the current IDs for Rupture are unfun
That would kinda destroy the whole point of rupture, being unadulterated fixed damage that yields massive outcome should you be able to maintain it (keyword: being able to maintain it). You don't mind but I am certain that a very large portion of the playerbase would mind and mind A LOT.
People sure are spiteful about this, no chill. But all your comments prove your point, guess we just live with the mistake they made and no one wants fixed. Also I have already built my sinking n tremor teams, so yeah. The 2 new ids for rupture seem to point the new direction and it works, so lets just live on the edge
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"The fault lies with you! Red sheet Sinclair!"
Pm really likes their 00 rupture support
Problem is Sinking is NOT "fixed damage" it's gloom damage so it is affected by resistences. Rupture IS fixed(true) damage which is why it needs to kept under control via inconvenience else it dominates the rest of the game.
Imo that just makes sinking even better
Theres fights where it gets stronger because of that function, and fights where its weaker, but its possible to change the enemy resistances with debuffs anyway
See heres the thing with Rupture
Compared to Sinking, theres WAY less thing to make Rupture counterable
Like, at least Sinking has to deal with multiple things
1. They dont do damage on Sanity fights, just make rolls worse for target, and only things like Deluge or Butterfly actually make them take damage through Sinking
2. Even if you are in Non Sanity fight, theres the problem with Gloom resist, which Rupture doesnt have trouble with since its fixed damage not Sin damage
3. Minus Coin, trust me, dont fight someone like Kim with Sinking
4. Passives that instantly recover Sanity to 45 like Gasharpoon
Really the only reason why Rupture get such weird Supports, is because of Red Sheet Sinclair breaking the game
Even in Off field he would break the game
Passives that instantly recover to 45 don't mean much if you can keep the sinking count and potency when it recovers SP.
"Haha, Ishmael ! I have recovered to 45 SP !"
The one guy who's about to perform an unopposed attack on the 50/10 Ahab:
Is that Sinclair passive really that good? I haven't tried him yet but it didn't look that strong to me.
@@jdhdkehev8715 basically it gives whoever have highest hp atm 8 to 12 rupture potency on hit great for conditional rupture id such as devyat rodya and cinq meur
@@jdhdkehev8715oh trust me it is even more broken that they make it seem, there is a video showing it up, in a nutshell new rodya and mersau ID don’t consume count or add rupture count, but that passive makes rodya inflict 8 rupture WITH EACH COIN
@@jdhdkehev8715 With that support passive, somebody beat the Barber (our current strongest story boss) in four turns. _With only 4 Sinners._ Two of them weren't even attacking, they stood there and blocked so we git Gluttony Resonance for Talisman Sinclair's support passive.
After multiple (2) Rupture runs, I realized that Rupture meant to be used for coin power against X mount of Rupture.
No! Gregor, No! You can't just rizzed the whole PC and the CPU like that! That's just breaking the fourth wall!
is there any reason they can't just limit how many rupture potency you can inflict on an enemy? if they're scared of high-potency rupture damage then just limit it to 50 or some other number.
a lot of gacha don’t do direct nerfs on units and ESPECIALLY not statuses. people would just be unhappy if they nerfed rupture everywhere. I think the MOST most they would do is prob giving bosses passives that limit rupture potency(although yes, I do think that devdya and cinqsault with talisman sinclair on bench is rather broken, turn three canto 7 ???(cuz spoiler)…………
If only Nclair have sinking, rags for king cliff is just how guilty pleasure it is -30sp ready for king cliff s3 say no to 5 (well if your that unlucky) every use
The theory is great, but the practice is... Well, Sinclair would just corrode constantly instead of needing to spam EGO if you don't give him first slot.
@@senpyrothewizard8172 actually it wont cause it on use that will lower his sp i test his kit again every time he clash that he will lower his sp and rags gift description said on use too so theoretically he will forever at -15sp then to lower his sp with his skill. Ah wait i forget i also use the violet theme gift too crown of thorn help too turn started nclair will have 8sp work really well in boss and in normal encounter i wont take really long to make it to him have 3 atk slot so that wont likely happen that he is corrode
So if we can get crown of thorn and some how hardship so theoretically Nsin wont likely corrode that easily
I did the fun with Sinking team like you (but I play with more of the worse team, without Yi Sang), it was okay. 2 fusions on Sinking fixes most of power problems, but damage. Damage without Sinking Deluge or butterfly is so low on enemies with sanity, especially if bosses have sanity (Nelly, Dongbaek, Harpoon trio, Ahab etc).
Good thing about it as well is that if you stack count
1 hit is all it takes for you to win every clash
So you just take your fastest unit make it not clash and no worries anymore
Even if the fight drags for like 20 turns
@@serminimus1 2nd Fusion (on which you need to go for Canto 2 cards) make a starting sinking, just enough to win every clash possible
Aha! As a certified Rupture Brother (And I'm pretty sure I'm the guy who called rupture faction "Rupture Bros" on my now-exterminated reddit acc since reddit hates me), I must say I am COPING as forsooth, we are starving and PM won't give us nourishment that counts (pun intended)
SAVE THE RUPTURE SOCIETY...
...LASSO E.G.O.
Also, I want to share the fact that my sinking team is pretty much the same as thine own, with two exceptions of Rodion and Autism, as while both look good, they're also too count negative (Outis also does not go count positive, womp womp), and as such I use Dieci Meurmeur (I am a Meursault simp) and Butler Faust (my GOAT).
We are seeing a couple of Rupture things coming
Hopefully this means it's Rupture Season this time
Also Rodya is S3 is pretty good for Count also she has Rime Shank
Give Rodya more S3s and since Discard is really good you usually get 3 turns to cycle to all your skills
And 2 of them are S3s
I have about the same setup except I use Butler Faust instead of Dieci Rodya, and I keep Butler Outis on the team. Especially in story content, her really nice SP gain on gloom res helps stay ahead of the bosses while the others catch up, and I like that her Echoes of the Manor lasts longer, which works nice with Butler Faust because she inflicts 3 sinking count on S3 whenever the enemy already has Echoes, and i've never really noticed Outis tanking my count.
I do think if the blood fiend hunter Faust in the future can convert self bleed stacks to rupture count
Via the lasso ego either giving bleed or being the conversion point would allow an interesting back and forth for count set up
Could also see rupture become similar to charge count after consuming potency to increase the ID over time would be pretty nice
Since right now it’s resonance spam deyvat rodion and make sure her health doesn’t fall off until 2 skills 3 go off
With not a lot of support in helping with clashing or SP granted the damage is not bad
ah yes, good ol sinking, my second finished team after bleed…it has came rather a long way, I am just glad I don’t have to use bushsang stupid 9 rolling s1(skill issue on my part kinda) anymore
10:48 me too bro, me too
Romeo Sinclair will fix rupture!!
If only we didn't have tremor zwei sinclair before this already
Well this season seem to have some Rupture support coming in, and from what I assume Horsey will also be Rupture support EGO. I really hope that those support are good and Rupture don't have to die because of the sin of an 00 ID.
RELOAD YI SANG I BEG OF YOU
Peak needs 3 greed reson for talisman sinclair
Put talisman princess on the support bench
Question since you're level 99, how much Enkephalin can you hold? And in a full refill, how many Modules can you convert the Enkephalin to?
149 Enkephalin and so 7 modules
But everyday I use 2 Lunacy recharges so it becomes 22 Modules
wait +10 Levels = 3+ clash power?! I was wondering you say it's good to have. I just thought higher survivability and damage only I didn't think you get higher clash power
I am pretty sure every level increases you offense level
Which is why you need to level your IDs to do more recent content otherwise the enemies will get the clash power
What I mean is every 3 difference in offense level gives the unit with more offense level 1 clash power
So if your offense level is 20 and the enemy is 50 it will get 10 clash power with any skill it uses
@@serminimus1 is that how it worked? I just had the main team at level 45 and Unga bungad. if it worked it worked if not Unga bunga again. unless there's a gimmick only then will I use my brain
@@serminimus1I will add more in that. Defense level to offense is also matters. Your ID will be tankier. You deal/get 2% more (scale down with more difference, never goes higher then 50%) damage for each point of difference in offense-defense levels
i like the way they are approuching rupture making units dont waste nor apply with X value,they can still make use from the status without breaking the game,the bad thing? they don't make this for all skills,like this new hong lu,this is bad,really bad,because you're just wasting the status...
Hi Serminimus
Hello!
Why don't they just change rupture to deal gluttony dmg instead of true dmg? I personally wouldn't mind
Because nerfing an entire archetype (because changing it to gluttony WOULD be a nerf) would be disastrous for the same reason Project Moon got mauled for nerfing Ringsang; justifying the change as being to make stronger IDs in the future doesn’t remedy the fact making retroactive changes in Gacha is a nono and that the current IDs for Rupture are unfun
That would kinda destroy the whole point of rupture, being unadulterated fixed damage that yields massive outcome should you be able to maintain it (keyword: being able to maintain it). You don't mind but I am certain that a very large portion of the playerbase would mind and mind A LOT.
Then just play sinking, as it would be almost the same. Just like how tremor reverb is just sloth sinking
People sure are spiteful about this, no chill. But all your comments prove your point, guess we just live with the mistake they made and no one wants fixed.
Also I have already built my sinking n tremor teams, so yeah. The 2 new ids for rupture seem to point the new direction and it works, so lets just live on the edge