I feel like people think messi just rolls out of bed and plays the way he does and I think that’s unfair. Messi has an elite mentality and work ethic don’t get it twisted
I feel like we discredit both legends by saying Messi is all talent and Ronaldo is all hard work. They’re both the most talented and hardest working players the game has ever seen! I like to call them The Beauty and The Beast!
Ronaldo himself said that talent is more important than hard work. Which is true, as he himself is super talented, but he rose to become that much better than everyone else (besides Messi ofc) with additional hard work and dedication. You don't get into that group of world class players with average talent. Then it comes down how much you work for it or whether you're just blessed like Neymar or Messi.
@@baldfraud1806 Ronaldo would be the first to say hard work triumphs over talent. There are plenty of talented players over the years, but Ronaldo and Messi stand apart from them in terms of longevity because of how hard they both work. You could argue Ronaldinho had a lot of talent. But he let it slip away once he stopped bothering to train as hard. Messi and Ronaldo are still ridiculously driven.
I always remember Thierry Henry saying Messi was so much better than everyone. During training he said the opposition scored after fouling him , so he picked the ball up and took it past everyone and scored 3 times ! He'd never seen such talent and determination
Oh am I forgetting something? Henry played for Arsenal and Barcelona, both massive rivals of United and Real who Ronaldo played for. Henry is incredibly biased towards the debate
@@OPTIC23100 “born with talent” this is true but he has changed his game so much according to the situations. he changed from an out and out goalscorer to a playmaker when xavi and iniesta left cuz our team wasn’t creating chances anymore plus with age, he had lost the acceleration he required to tear defence by himself. he worked so much on his freekicks because we were struggling to capitalise on our chances
I’m sorry, but you don’t win 4 Champions leagues, 6 ballondors (most in history), 10 La Liga titles, 6 golden boots(most in history) have the most assists in football history, have the record for most goals in a single season and the record for most goals in a calendar year without having an elite winners mentality and not working hard. Messi’s work ethic and mentality is seriously overlooked.
@@dhiabvaheed284 whats more competitive then. international? There are many people who believe that the euros are harder to win then the world Cup. This is because of the qualifying, where you have all the continents competeing and let's face it other then Europe and South America there are no others with any decent teams but they still make It through to the finals
@@coupedegrace8931 Bro Messi can’t fucking win everything on his own, the Argentinian team has been poor and poorly coached over the years. He took them to a WC final and was the best player for the copa America
Ronaldo is what every footballer should seek to be like. Hardworking, constantly challenging himself, serial winner, adaptive, rational, celebrity, family man. Messi is what no footballer can be.
“Who would you bring on when you’re 1-0 down”, totally stupid question to compare these two players. One is a striker who can sniff out a goal from anywhere, the other is a player who controls a game and allows the players around him to shine as well as scoring and assisting as well.
i Wouldn't even say he can sniff out a goal from anywhere ( although he desperately tries to )..he misses an awful lot ( most other strikers would get pulled but Ronaldo has that entitlement and managers with weak character so he always remains on the pitch til one of his 'disciples' farm him a tap in ) ....the only thing that impresses me from Ronaldo is his ability to Attack a corner with his head
@@aidangriffiths5075 in terms of actual ability though it really shouldn’t be a debate between Messi and Ronaldo, Messi is easily the better player, the better goal scorer, the playmaker that starts attack and usually finishes them, has more assists, far better at set pieces nowadays, the only thing ronaldo has over Messi is the athleticism and arguably composure at the tensest moments
Messi has them most assists of all time, is 30 goals behind ronaldo having played over 200 games less, hes a far better passer, hes a far better dribbler, he has more trophies, he has more golden shoes, he has more Balon D'ors and is over 2 years younger. Plus nobody since Ronaldinho makes you feel the excitement Messi does when you sit down to watch a game hes playing. Genuinly don't even understand why theirs a debate
The debate exists because Manchester United, Real Madrid and Juventus fan bases are HUGE. 99% of football people with no affiliation to those teams pick Messi. No surprises why.
Prime example of Messi's mentality is he went from being an average free kick taker to the best by far in the world stats wise in the last few years through sheer effort and practice after training. Ronaldo's free kick taking on the other hand...
@@adamsims9867 yes it is, it was his only option to win the Cl again. Man City couldnt get him no more after Grealish deal. Where should he then go if not Paris?
This whole episode is gold, Ian is definitely getting on in years but he’s still knows how to make fun of himself and express himself the way he always has
I'm confused why bringing someone off the bench for the last 10 minutes to score a goal is somehow the definitive question of greatness - what about the previous 80 minutes?!
And Messi is infact better at scoring coming off from the bench, he‘s scored more goals in extra time and twice as many goals as CR7 from coming off the bench.
@@CJ12952 true. There ist actually no debate. Its just made up by the english media because off course they want that the best player had played in their league.
@@CheeseyMilkshakes please don't class me as a "Messi fan trying to discredit cr7" & im not talking about records im talking about who is a better player at the game football
There's no question Messi's mentality is just as driven as Ronaldo's, which because of his level of natural ability and introverted personality gets overlooked. Talent is one thing but you don't get to the level Messi has and remain there without the determination and hunger has. Like Ronaldo, he wants to play every game and though he's a lot more of a team player, he also wants to be on the scoresheet each game. The fact Messi is able to score like he does, while dropping deep to create is why he's the best ever. No individual has been able to combine goalscoring, playmaking and dribbling to the level Messi has.
@@Gfresh844 You have spoken an absolute fact . Some people don’t understand how hard Messi works and his talent overshadows this . When someone talks about talent without hard work , I remember post 86’ Maradona and post 2006 Ronaldinho . And then there are tons of failed talents for an example.
He’s driven but I don’t think he is AS driven as CR7. I don’t think Ronaldo would’ve retired from international football after losing a couple finals. There’s levels to having an elite mentality.
Everyone who says ronaldo is the best, always speak about "work ethic" and such but if you look at the numbers there is literally no debate. Messi is far ahead of ronaldo. If you need to talk about abstract things that cant be measured, you have lost the argument. The only job messi and ronaldo have as footballer is creating goals for their teams and messi wins that easily. He scores just as many if not more goals and on top of that he beats ronaldos ass in terms of assists.
@@nigefal wtf do you mean? Messi and ronaldo are both so good that neither has to adapt to a playstyle. The play always revolves around them, except in recent years ronaldo has become a poacher so hes basically just the finisher. If they had to adapt to a new style of play, i reckon messi could do it better because there are no clear weaknesses to his game while ronaldo has struggled with passing and dribbling for years now.
Ronaldo has more international goals and more champions league goals than any other male footballer. I don't have a problem with you thinking Messi is better but you can't change my mind either. Siiiiuuuuu
@@broughy23 when did i call ronaldo an ass? Look up what literally means. Also most ucl goals and international goals are cool, but most goals in a calendar year or a domestic season are cooler. Especially that international goal thing seems quite irrelevant when you remember that most of those goals were scored against the likes of malta, liechtenstein, georgia and andorra. Meanwhile the worst international opponent messi has to face regularly is bolivia, who is ranked 83rd on fifa rankings. There are 18 european countries ranked lower than bolivia.
@@broughy23 also you literally said "you cant change my mind" which means that you will ignore facts and logic just so that you can be right in your head.
Messi has the most assists of all time and is only 30 goals shy of what Ronaldo has all time, and Ronaldo is 2 years older. Messi has goal scoring and assisting and it’s even a debate ???? Messi is clearly the best
Ronaldo played as a RM in a 442 system for 4 years in united and then was a forward. Messi played as a RW then CF and back to RW and at one point arguably the best team ever. Basic ball knowledge
I’d have a read of the history of Messi growing up if you don’t think he has had to work hard to become what he has. This Ronaldo works hard and Messi hasn’t had to argument is unfair and disrespectful.
holloway did say the ones at the very top do everything, so I don't think he thinks that. also I believe Ronaldo has shown his mentality is above Messi by changing aspects of his game and forming himself into a complete player. Messi gives off a vibe of nonchalance and I agree with Holloway that cr7 just is on. new level in respect to competitiveness and attitude
Love Holloway, but his reasoning of taking Ronaldo over Messi partially explains why he was only ever a top championship manager and not at the very very pinnacle.
I get where everyone in the comments is coming from but the question was 1 goal down and 10 minutes left his reasoning for ronaldo is 100% valid he’s shown countless times his able to turn the game till the last minute of a match as seen recently with the match against Villarreal absolute freak of nature at 36 yrs
Any Barcelona player would tell you that Messi trains the hardest and is hard on his teammates as well. Just because his PR machine isn't as large as Ronaldo's and isn't focused on his abs and diet, doesn't mean Messi isn't just as driven to succeed. The man is ahead of Ronaldo statistics wise and is a far more important player for his teams. He also simply is a lot more fun to watch. Rather watch Messi do anything with a football than watch Ronaldo score a tap-in in the 90th minute after doing fuck-all all game.
And yet now for the first time in a new country with the greatest team money can buy he’s been very average. Ronaldo’s proved it in 4 different countries and now a repeat country at 36, Messi has only ever been in one system for the most part with Xavi and Iniesta. Why has he only scored 1 goals in 5 or 6 appearances for PSG and why have their results been fairly poor in a much worse leage
@@darthconquerus Xavi and Iniesta left years ago and he done completely fine without them winning another Balon d’or. Messi was literally carrying Barca for the last few years. If you’ve watched Messi at PSG you’ll know that he’s been one of the better players
@@steffanh9368 lmao hasnt won a ucl since 2015 cus xavi and iniesta didnt carry him. Also no, mbappe, neymar, di maria are better at psg. stop being deluded.
Messi has more g/a, more ballon dor's, better goal to game ratio, better creativity record and brings far more to a team. Thinking that Ronaldo better is honestly just delusion.
@@blackscreen1810 Ronaldo vs Bayern 2012? Ronaldo vs Chelsea 2008 (when Van Der Sar and John Terry spared his blushes)? His juventus stint? He had worse teams with a Real Madrid team with world class players every position? Manchester United when they were the best team in the world? Lmao please
Quite stupid arguments here, but just fr clearing some things for people - Messi is a winner and works insanely hard Ronaldo has a crazy load of talent.
@@dunkzanator6808 They both have an elite mentality and skill. Ronaldo has more mentality and selfishness (in a good way) than Messi but Messi has more skill
@@mohammadtalhasharif3290 hes saying that they both have elite winners mentality and work ethic along with talent. i think he just meant they are those things on top of the things people already view them as
Hes not saying it isn't the opposite way around. He obviously means that messi also has a crazy amount of winning mentality and ronaldo also has a crazy amount of talent. To be considered the best 2 footballers ever and both having been at the top for 15 years they obviously both have both in abundance
Yeah, you need both talent and hard work/winning mentality to be considered one of the greats. The phrase ‘Hard work beats talent if talent doesn’t work hard’ isn’t accurate to be honest, sometimes talent alone can straight carry an athlete as unfair as it may seem at least for some time- take Hazard for example, insane talent in the Prem and his teammates admitted he slacked in training but on the pitch he was a beast as he could win a game on his own by creating or scoring. Nowadays that isn’t the case for him lol but the point still stands, if you don’t have talent, then it doesn’t matter how hard you work, you’ll always fall short of greatness as there’s no foundation there, you’ll be good at most but not great...like Fred for example: Fred works hard, Fred puts in 100% on the pitch and...Fred is still shit. Likewise if you don’t work hard or have a winning mentality, you won’t have the longevity and discipline needed to keep your body in top form and the muscle memory/drills would have helped you in abundance in any on-pitch scenario. Those who say Ronaldo is 100% just a product of hard work are just...well they’re retarded. Plain and simple. His mentality is rare and freakish but he’s as good as he is because that’s built on a foundation of natural ability, ability which is obvious if they watched him play in the Prem in his early years with the tricks, first touches etc anyway both Messi and Ronaldo have a gargantuan amount of both hard work and talent but they each depend more on one than the other as one is more naturally gifted and the other is more psychologically gifted. To say Messi doesn’t work hard is as equally stupid as saying Ronaldo doesn’t have talent.
Ive not watched it yet but he better say Messi is better Edit: statistically Messi is a better winner and scores more winners. This mentality thing is bullshit
Imagine being so stupid. Ronaldo and messi fanbotys equally dont understand its just opinions. Although its always the messi fans who use the "if you understand the sport" argument and its so cringe. Grow tf up and enjoy both. Like messi if you want, still wont change the fact the Ronaldo and messi debate will go on forever without an answer.
@@ElDragow Of course it’s opinion-based. However, if you think Ronaldo’s better, your opinion is well and truly fucking awful and not worth listening to. Cheers.
Can we stop the narrative that Messi doesn't work hard? There's plenty of people who are naturally gifted (Ronaldo being one of them) who don't get to that level. Talent only gets you so far, you have to discipline yourself and I think this 5"7 man breaking records left and right, nevermind believing in himself since he was a child despite his size, is phenomenal.
@@heythere1386 are u dumb? its literally a know fact ronaldo has the highest work rate out of anyone on the pitch. managers have said it, other players have said it, i thought it was a well known thing about him. not saying messi doesnt work hard but hes got a lot of natural talent where as ronaldo has gotten this far purely off hard work and dedication.
Ian Holloway acts like Messi doesn't want to win. LOL. He acts like Messi only has the skill and no desire to win. You can't be as successful as he is without an elite mentality. These kind of arguments are straw man. Ian Holloway is what I call a typical English passion merchant manager. And English managers wonder why foreign coaches get the top jobs in English football. This is why
@hfc lmao, typical butthurt messi fans who get so insecure and try to shit on someone who doesnt like their fav player just as much as they like him. Its like he doesnt understand there is no right answer and that it will be always different opinions, and thats why everyone is right cus its opinion. these kids man....
That's not what he said, he said he never saw a man with Ronaldo's determination to win and succeed, his passion and desire gives him an edge. He didn't say Messi has no desire to win or succeed. A good example of this is the paths they chose for their careers; Ronaldo had it good in every club he's played, he was successful in United, Madrid and Juve when he left them, but he kept going onwards to find new places to succeed in and conquer If not for Barcelona's shitty board and financial crisis, Messi would've stayed there until retirement, no matter if the club saw success like it did during most of his time there, or whether it was in serious decline in his last years. Ronaldo would chase titles and try to win as much as he could that what Ian said about his desire to always win and will to succeed no matter what
Also, foreign coaches succeed because of their tactics, but they are just as passionate when it comes to desire to win and will to succeed and value it as much as any English manager does. Mourinhos a good example of this, there's literally compilations of him saying the most important things is mentality and wanting to win, Guardiola wouldn't except players that didn't give 100% of their time to the game or think of themselves as too good to certain things.
@hfc Not hurt, lol. I was making the point that plenty of players have the same determination to win as Ronaldo. Having determination to win only gets you so far without the skill. Skill will always seperate the elite players from the average players with determination. This whole "the win is all that matters 'attitude in English football which goes down to school boy level and usually starts there is partly why the England team has underperformed and barely any English players play abroad. Skill is more important and always will be. I'd say the same about Ronaldo so it's you that is in fact "hurt"
@@De3dSh0t You missed my point about foreign coaches. Of course they are passionate about winning but they don't have a win at all costs attitude that many British managers do
Tap ins dont just come out of anywhere. It requires other players to work and set you up, you can credit Ronaldo for getting in the box but you have to credit the person who provides the assist. Messi is FAR ahead of Ronaldo in terms of assisting and plays directly leading to goals.
Surely hardwork, passion and talent go hand in hand. They are both wonders of the game and to achieve what they have, drive and passion must have been put in abundance. I dont understand why this is still an argument!
That’s what makes Messi greater in my opinion. The fact that he hasn’t had to change his game and is still the best footballer in the world or top 5 at this point of his career is madness. Players almost always have to adapt but Messi is the anomaly. Ronaldo has had to change his game so much because he can’t do what he used to in his earlier years, whereas Messi is still dictating games and being involved and is still getting an insane amount of goal contributions during the course of the season. I think ronaldo is great but the ronaldo at his best died about 7 years ago. Whereas I think messi’s last peak was maybe a season or two ago, which again shows how much longer he was at his peak and how much more involved he’s been within his team. You only have to look at the state of Barcelona right now and that alone shows you what Messi was having to do on such a regular basis to cover the so many deficiencies of an average team
@@narinderkang6036 do we’re going to judge Messi five games into the season? 😂 my god, football fans are reactionary. Ronaldo has played in the so called farmer leagues as well and juve didn’t fare too well. They’re both great but I just prefer one over the other. You fanboys get so twisted up when someone goes against your favourite 🤦♂️
That’s the reason I think Ronaldo is the best though, because he is able to adapt and do different things as a player, he grows and changes and always comes out on top by working hard as fook
@@narinderkang6036 first off, if you knew anything, you’d know La liga was the best league in the world for a lot of the 2010s, as proven by Spanish teams results against premier league teams in European competitions. You say messi isn’t doing good in Paris, how? Didn’t Ronaldo also take 3 games to score his first goal for juventus? Yes he did. You’re a plastic fan who doesn’t know anything about the sport.
It's the same at all levels. I've coached Sunday league teams since I was 16. I'm now 22, and in 90% of the age groups I've coached, the best/most skilled player has been the most difficult. My under 14s won the league last season, and our striker who scored 40+ goals last season was such a little shit, that I didn't even attempt to change his mind when he told me he was leaving at the start of this season. Cause whenever things didn't go his way, he would belittle the other players. So now we're struggling this season, but my main focus is building the other lads confidence back up. Which is ridiculous if you consider that we've just lifted a league trophy. But that's how damaging it can be
There are 100s of talented footballers and if Messi is only talent, then why don't we see 100s of Messis, people undermine Messi's hardwork a lot. Man's lasted more than 15 years and that can't happen without hard work and tough mentality.
Messi was nurtured and team built around him to play to his strengths. English football has looked always for athletes to turn into footballers as opposed to talented skillful footballers
I hate this snobbish, elitist mentality people have when saying Messi is better. People act like Ronaldo hasn't even put in a good enough career to even be compared to messi
@@weww982 he hasn’t though. Ronaldo best asset is goal scoring and messi is even better than him at that. Messi is just the better football player. The debate is stupid
i’m more of a ronaldo fan but i saw an interview where ben chilwell said when leicester played barcelona messi wasn’t even trying but he was still unstoppable. messi was born to be the best of all time. he’s ridiculously good
@@talesfromtheclassroom I remember you are that troll that keeps saying Ronaldo is better than Messi on Have Hope's football Channel well I guess karma got you because Messi just won the world cup and won player of the tournament once and for all proving that he is much better than Ronaldo ever was now sit down and cry Rob since your fake goat is finished forever playing in the camel league 😂
Messi is the greatest player ever these English football jokers can do whatever PR ...won't help .this forced debate was never a debate Messi is the goat 🐐
@@harryb3164 how about u watch a football game?, and I know its a crazy concept for someone like u, but just watch a game messi played in, u will see who is more talented. football isn't all stats, malldini didn't score 100 goals did he?, he's still one of the goats
Compare Ronaldo to Messi and then Messi to the greats… Messi brings out imagination and feelings no one else in football can. As amazing as Ronaldo has been compared to the rest he gets the same credit for poaching a goal in a game as Messi does for running one and scoring something beautiful
How can people say Cristiano Ronaldo is the GOAT when this little magical man by far has the leading amounts of MOTM awards? He can playmake like a architect, he can score like a machine plus he creates magic on the field and bring tear of joy to so many people around the world. The only real GOAT
so messi has 6 ballon d oros 6 golden boots around 40 cups in la liga including titles, 90 goals in 1 year and a copa america, but no hes all talent, if messi had ronaldos body ill bet u my life alot more people would say messi, i have an example too, i kid u not this morning i was on a dall with my friends playing brawlhalla, and we were talking about football with a friend who works out everyday alot more than my friends and i did, and he said, i dont know whos who but "the one with the abs is better no cap" i bet u theres more ppl out there like this kid
Ronaldo is one of the best goalscorer football has seen. A lethal aerial player because of his physique and his crazy training. Leo on the other hand is The God of Football. He has a much better goal ratio, better types of goals, better passes whether it's low balls or pings, most assist in football, glitch like dribbling, eagle eye vision and he does it all with simple honest football. He doesn't cheat or dive or act. And he is the most decorated player in history whilst holding many records that will probably stand forever. It's such an insane idiotic argument to compare him to anyone else. His 3rd best season as an individual is already unreachable for everyone. You can hate Barcelona and Argentina, but if you love football, you have to love Leo or at least acknowledge he is something else entirely. To me, I grew up watching him since 2008. So it's only natural for me to apotheosize him. So many names have been labelled as "next Messi" and not even 1 of them are even ¼ as good as Messi. Btw the best thing about Leo is, he is the best role model there is on and off the pitch. Lives a simple family man life, no dramas and nonsense, genuinely a nice and humble guy.
Messi has scored more than double the goals (48) ronaldo has scored (20) coming off the bench with only 3 more games as a substitute so the debate of who you want coming off the bench shouldn’t even exist.
Sorry guys you but when it comes to goals here are statistics: After 1000 games, Messi overtakes CR7 on three accounts: the top scorer prize goes to Messi, having netted 789 goals against 725 from Cristiano Ronaldo. In the assisting department, Messi also got the best part: 348 to 216. So let's rethink who thinks miles ahead in terms of the game? Who carried Argentina to the World Cup? Ronaldo was also there; how did he perform? Once again game on game- both were in the world stage and in actual fact the Portguese team had better players than the Argentinian one. But who out performed the other? Now talking about the game itself - football is a teamsport right? So who has more assists? Who builds the game from midfield? The little man who isn't has tall or as strong as Ronaldo, so surely he as to work just as hard as latter, wouldn't you agree? Now when it comes to the beauty of the game, there's no doubt that the little man outshines everyone...
People calling Ronaldo the goat because he’s having a better start this season vs Messi. But the word “GOAT” means Greatest Of All Time and Messi clearly has had a better career but these Ronaldo fan boys just forget that.
Wouldn’t say either of them has had the better career. They’ve both won pretty much everything. If Ronaldo wins a major trophy with United though, he just edges it in my opinion.
What useless talk? So, Messi doesn't have winning mentality? So, without that mentality he destroyed top clubs in Europe and then went to win the World Cup/Copa America and so many? Messi is a genius, the likes of which we cannot see in our lifetime. Ronaldo is a great player but we will be seeing such people in our lifetime! Messi is a magician and makes you love football!
Messi was with the same team playing with Xavi, Iniesta and busquets in midfield week in week out, 10+ years playing together with chemistry is why messi’s goal ratio is so impressive
@@amr4336 Gerrard played with an average Liverpool team most of his career, Kane at Tottenham and Ozil at Arsenal. Messi stayed because he felt secure and didn’t want to take any risks. Tbf I wouldn’t leave either at a club that won that much
@@JustJack555 I was talking about the greatest players only . And about Messi , it was more about loyalty , especially from the last 3 years when the other players relied so much on Messi and Barcelona suffered back to back humiliations , but he didn’t want to leave the club .
@@amr4336 in the meantime CR7 is winning champions leagues and titles with multiple teams getting used to different players, managers and a different game of football
Brah, you don’t get to do all that messi has done on the ground of talent, ronaldinho had talent, r9 had talent, neymar had talent, kaka, not one of them were as focused as messi was, the longevity, the focus. He said it himself he wants to win more. People try to discredit him by dismissing his work, no one can be at that level at ANYTHING, let alone football, the most competitive sport on earth just by been talented. He left his home country at the age of 15 to chase his dream, he couldn’t sign for any clubs bc of his physical disability. And he had to go thro all that just for ppl to say he is all talent…another thing is that, messi is clear of ronaldo when it comes to coming off the bench, his stats prove that… like stop saying ronaldo is the goat on the basis of your personal agenda, MESSI is undoubtedly the greatest footballer in history, and that is a fact at this point of his carrer. Ps, man said the greasted defender was bore like maldini and bekanboure played tenis…
For starters maradonna more than pele, he played in dead league. Cr7 is something else in terms of goals yes 2nd to none, greatest goalscorer ever you could say. However the debate about Ronaldo or messi coming off the bench in a game, caraaager disproved that lol with Neville, also does everyone forget messi is only 2yrs younger and still producing at the highest of levels. They BOTH are and we should just appreciate them cz we will never see this again probably. Messi has also played nearly 200games less and his game ratio is higher than ronies. Messi can do it all and influence a game when needed whether that's a goal or creating. His stats are ridiculous in creating, assisting, driblels, fk and goals etc and involvement in play. Ronaldo is on the knife edge of a game and will need service yes he gets the job done and is INCREDIBLE as he always seems to pull it out the hat. Tbh any will do the job lol
But....how come then, that Messi has scored double, at least, the number of goals coming off the bench than Ronaldo?....this myth that Ronaldo is a better goalscorer than Messi is for the birds, really. Messi has a better goals per game ratio; more goals from outside the box than ANYONE!; has the most goals in a season AND in a calender year in history; has more assists AND pre-assists, than anyone; the best dribbler, bar none; and runs a game better than anyone, including the great Deigo Arnando Maradona! So, please. The greatest praise or compliment to Ronaldo is his being even in the conversation at all....he does what others do(sometimes better, give or take)...but Messi does things that you haven't seen....things that would make you doubt your eyes. So, please.
People who say Messi is all talent. You can't play at the top level of football for 2 decades with just Talent. Look at Maradona and Ronaldinho they both had Talent like messi the only difference is that they didn't stay at the top for long because of their work ethics Maradona was coke addict and Ronaldinho was womaniser and a cluber. Messi doesn't do any of that and that's what kept him on the top for so long. The desire and the hunger to keep going scoring goals giving assists Week in Week out.
I've been lucky enough to exist in an era to witness both Messi & Cristiano, and the past legends of Maldini, and the like. Let's appreciate them, while they still last ⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽
For me it is still too difficult to pick who is better, both of them have got the upper hand on each other in different aspects like messi has the most goals in a single calendar year, Ronaldo has the most goals internationally, messi is better dribbler, Ronaldo is physically better shape etc, I just enjoy watching them both and I just can't understand people who slate them both, you would do anything to get either of them playing for your club.
stop please with this international thing ....Its becoz he gets to play against shit like Luxembourg, Andorra, Estonia, San Marino, Faroe isles, Liechtenstein, Armenia, Latvia, Gibraltar, Malta, Cyprus, Kazakhstan, etc etc ... Most of Ronaldo's International goals are against teams ranked in the late 100's, 200's in world football !!! and the goal he scores against decent teams are usually all pens or occasionally tap ins !!! If Ronaldo was so good ( even in himself ) he wouldn't even need to play in those games and Portugal could actually start thinking of the next generation instead. Messi has to face Uruguay, Chile, Brazil, Colombia all the damn time to qualify for a big tournament...even teams like Bolivia and Venezuela would destroy all those European part time nations. Messi still has time to catch him ..not that it matters anyway
@@ryanbridges4042 he is absolutely miles better son 200 more goal contributions in far less games He's a playmaker a scorer, a dribbler Ronaldo is just a poacher Messi can do it all
While you can find a specific answer to the question asked in the video, there is an interesting statistic. That stat is goals as substitute. Messi 98 appearances as a substitution 48 goals (57.8 mins per goal), ROnaldo 95 appearances as a substitution 20 goals (127 mins per goal). You can talk about mentality as much as you want, numbers dont lie.
How many times has Ronaldo come off the bench to change a match? Never! Messi has done it many times over. Funny that you people talk about mentality. Lol. Messi has suffered brutality in attacks and all and does more on the pitch than anyone. Ian is funny and doesn't know what he's saying. Messi even has a better goalscoring record than Ronaldo! So, what's your argument? Messi beats him hands-down in every department of the game.
That's why great players tend not to make great managers. They don't know why they're so good and they can't understand why lesser players can't do what they themselves can do
The messi ronaldo debate will be decided when they both retire..in there prime they are inseparable. So it will be decided on how they preform out of it.
@@BeansBeansBeans utterly clueless. Nobody in the history of football has done what Maradona did for 6 years. NOBODY. Anybody who knows football knows he was the greatest
Messi is from different planet , I am wondering that these idiots are thinking after messi won the world cup ..... Messi is natural Talent , which means you cant get there by training
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Nobody is saying Messi doesn't work hard fact is throughout both their careers only one person has been applauded by every one that has worked with him as being the hardest worker ever and those people themselves are ridiculously hardworking
What facts? He said he’d rather Ronaldo come on as a sub. FACT is, messi has a better record of coming on as a sub and scoring. FACT is messi is a better dribbler, has a better goal per game ratio, is less than 40 goals behind Ronaldo despite Ronaldo playing 200 more games, has more assists than Ronaldo, is more versatile Ronaldo as a player, and has even scored more goals from outside the box. All facts.
Ronaldo for me. There is a clear argument between them for “GOAT” status. However, they are very different players so it can become a very opinion vs opinion battle. Ronaldo is the GOAT for me because I prefer him as an option if my team needed a goal, he’s proven in multiple leagues, his ability in the air is almost unmatched, he’s physically a beast and a good leader. Personally, I would bet Ronaldo will end his career with many more significant achievements than Messi total.
@@CJ12952 Messi has moved to a god squad tbf but I wouldn’t class winning ligue 1 as an achievement, if PSG don’t win the champions league it’s a poor season with that squad
Messis beating Ronaldo everytime there was a big game and they faced eachother, the fact he says that his mentality is better than Messis is absolutely ridiculous look how he overcame losing so many finals with Argentina to finally persevere and get the job done. Both are extraordinary in their own way Messi just tops him cause he’s in the genius category like Maradona and Pele
Ronaldo is the greatest international player ever based off his numbers and is the best champions league player ever as well, those two feats alone should end the debate he is the greatest player ever. Can’t believe I’m defending a United player
You can't be the greatest international player when you've done nothing in the World Cup. Even in the Euros 2016 he scored only 3 times, 2 in the group stage and once in the knockout stage. That doesn't look like the greatest to me.
@@owenynwa4eva203 most international goals but you have to put it in context, against easy opponents, and also not only goals make you the best, with that logic Ali daei was the best international players prior to ronaldo, Messi has more international motm, pott, trophies (Olympics and copa) and ronaldo isn't good at wc
I think it's fair to say that Ronaldo has the better mentality, but that doesn't change the fact that Messi has an elite mentality as well. One of the biggest winners in football. He has to, otherwise he wouldn't be the best or second best in the world for more than a decade.
This is the greatest nonsense of the year! There is no way Pep would have signed Ronaldo. Just for the record, Messi doesn't compare himself with anyone, the converse is what we've seen. Ronaldo's quest to lure you, people, to think and believe that he is in the same conversation as Messi should be fed to mediocre minds. Messi is greatness in itself!
If we had a "common sense award" I would have gifted you one. You are deserving of it. When grown-ups have platforms they speak like kids. This is the greatest "stupidity of the year"
People who say Ronaldo always have the same shot reasons 😂 “He worked harder for it” okay doesn’t matter if he did and how do we know that? Because he posts his gym pics on insta? 😂 I guarantee Messi is as hungry as Ronaldo to win.
Wow reading the comments a lot of people defending Messi? For years everyone saying Messi is the best but now seeing what Ronaldo has proven everyone gets upset when Ronaldo just took it all including fan's calling Messi Messi when Ronaldo would play different teams. And see still went out there and won over and over.
Messi retired after failing to win trophy with Argentina... Ronaldo didn't. I am not saying Ronaldo is better, but that statement speaks for itself... both are very different player so it all comes down to preference when it comes to this two players.... I watched Barcelona matches just because of Messi...I cannot even say who is better, because they're extremely good in different ways but like you have mentioned about elite level mentality Ronaldo despite winning only 2 he also won CL and Cups as well... He wasn't afraid of challenges which shows his elite mentality in every league... that for me is elite mentality despite failing but trying their best. but in the end who are we even kidding here I'd pay to seem them both even If I did not support Madrid or Barcelona... It was a joy to watch them in LaLiga it is sad that Messi went to PSG. It is such a bummer that he could've offered more in a better league since Ligue1 is not even in Europe Top 5 leagues anymore.
@@limi. Ronaldo left juve this year because they didn't win He left real Madrid after failing to win the league He left united after Messi embarrassed them in the ucl final So stfu
Yea lad, cuz you playing for your local team means you understand the sacrifice professional athletes at the highest level make. Some people are just so naturally gifted, like messi. Not saying he doesn’t work hard, but stop chatting shit in UA-cam comments trying to group yourself in with actual footballers lol
Seen another comment of yours ‘anyone who understands the sport’ why is there so many faceless UA-cam commenters with this mad superiority complex I will never understand this
@@urmaluvzit5493 I work with professional footballers. Trust me, I understand how much work it takes to reach the top and stay there. Messi isn’t just the most talented, but he works the hardest too. That’s not a question, I know that’s the case. There’s a reason he’s by far the greatest of all time.
@@urmaluvzit5493 I’m a performance analyst fella. Most people in this comment section have no more than a basic understanding of the sport. Most are just casual fans. That’s not an insult either, that’s just the truth.
@@urmaluvzit5493 that's just bull , doesn't matter how talented u are , u don't spend a decade dominating world football if u don't work hard , when he began his career he was not as good a passer , finisher or as good at freekicks as he is now so ofc he's continued to develop his game , also when u play for a local team or even for your skl , the amount of training and drills we do actually does make me think wow , footballers do harder stuff than this every day so i do appreciate their hard work
I don't know what the comments are on about, with Ian Holloway being disrespectful to Messi, he hasn't said a word about a lack of Messi's mentality. He has just praised Ronaldo for having an elite level mentality. It's like someone praising Messi's dribbling and then comments saying "Well what about Ronaldo earlier on in his career". Sure one of them is absolutely incredible at this but the other is just miles ahead of anyone else in this particular category. Praising one isn't dissing the other. For the last time, PRAISING ONE ISN'T DISSING THE OTHER. Coming from a Messi fan btw.
idk to me the whole mentality thing is just pure bs “oh he wants it more than everyone” that’s pure waffle . every top level athlete has that mentality .
@@aryaanbasu9636 why are you acting like he isn’t a freak physically (compared to other footballers) . mentality aint doing shit for you if you’re not gifted … that’s why messi is better even though they say ronaldo “works harder” you can’t get to the top of the sport and stay there as long as guys like messi have and not have the same mentality as ronaldo . i get that its great but still we don’t need to make them godlike figures for no reason
It's the age old debate - who are YOU bringing off the bench to win you the game? 🇳🇺
Ronaldo everyday of the week!
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Messi the stats say it all
My goat - CR7 🐐🇵🇹
I feel like people think messi just rolls out of bed and plays the way he does and I think that’s unfair. Messi has an elite mentality and work ethic don’t get it twisted
Couldn’t of said it better, shame you’re an arsenal fan
@@pogba9004 I’m sure he thinks the same no need to point it out.
He makes it look so effortless, so that's why people think he doesn't put the work in
true, Ronaldo is just better tho. i'll reconsider my opinion if he joins the prem at 36 and does well.
@@ElDragow statistics don’t lie. Messi is better. Every manager on earth would rather messi play for their team than ronaldo.
I feel like we discredit both legends by saying Messi is all talent and Ronaldo is all hard work.
They’re both the most talented and hardest working players the game has ever seen!
I like to call them The Beauty and The Beast!
You don't get to the top of anything without hard work
Ronaldo himself said that talent is more important than hard work. Which is true, as he himself is super talented, but he rose to become that much better than everyone else (besides Messi ofc) with additional hard work and dedication.
You don't get into that group of world class players with average talent. Then it comes down how much you work for it or whether you're just blessed like Neymar or Messi.
@@baldfraud1806 Ronaldo would be the first to say hard work triumphs over talent. There are plenty of talented players over the years, but Ronaldo and Messi stand apart from them in terms of longevity because of how hard they both work.
You could argue Ronaldinho had a lot of talent. But he let it slip away once he stopped bothering to train as hard. Messi and Ronaldo are still ridiculously driven.
@Mafia That can be true too, but I think that Messi has better results overall, and Ronaldo has better results in important moments
@@what1356 You saying doesn't change the fact that he himself said the opposite. Just search it up.
I always remember Thierry Henry saying Messi was so much better than everyone. During training he said the opposition scored after fouling him , so he picked the ball up and took it past everyone and scored 3 times ! He'd never seen such talent and determination
Oh am I forgetting something? Henry played for Arsenal and Barcelona, both massive rivals of United and Real who Ronaldo played for. Henry is incredibly biased towards the debate
@@ZacJ6 Just like almost EVERYONE who says that Ronaldo is better had played with him or was his manager.
@@PassportBro_ yep rarely see someone who hasn't played with ronaldo say that messi isn't better
@@TheYates100 yep , all time greats like Ronaldo , Maldini , Nesta , Cruyff , Platini , Van Basten , Cafu , Buffon all have picked Messi
@@ZacJ6 so is nevile and ever person connected to Ronaldo is bias to him
Why does everyone act like messi doesn’t work hard ?😂
He does but he has a natural talent that no one has.
Messi was born with the talent and Ronaldo had to work for his talent
@@OPTIC23100 “born with talent” this is true but he has changed his game so much according to the situations. he changed from an out and out goalscorer to a playmaker when xavi and iniesta left cuz our team wasn’t creating chances anymore plus with age, he had lost the acceleration he required to tear defence by himself. he worked so much on his freekicks because we were struggling to capitalise on our chances
He does work hard but Ronaldo works in fucking overdrive
@@manlikejash What do you mean by ‘born with talent’? Which of Messi’s abilities was he born with?
I’m sorry, but you don’t win 4 Champions leagues, 6 ballondors (most in history), 10 La Liga titles, 6 golden boots(most in history) have the most assists in football history, have the record for most goals in a single season and the record for most goals in a calendar year without having an elite winners mentality and not working hard.
Messi’s work ethic and mentality is seriously overlooked.
Literally won the copa america with an ankle injury aswell
Copa America is nothing compared to the euros, Messi should have one it every competition but he's only just won 1
@@coupedegrace8931 you are acting like euros is very competitive lol. the only good side portugal had faced was france lmao
@@dhiabvaheed284 whats more competitive then. international? There are many people who believe that the euros are harder to win then the world Cup. This is because of the qualifying, where you have all the continents competeing and let's face it other then Europe and South America there are no others with any decent teams but they still make It through to the finals
@@coupedegrace8931 Bro Messi can’t fucking win everything on his own, the Argentinian team has been poor and poorly coached over the years. He took them to a WC final and was the best player for the copa America
Ronaldo is what every footballer should seek to be like. Hardworking, constantly challenging himself, serial winner, adaptive, rational, celebrity, family man.
Messi is what no footballer can be.
Family man
A man who has more gf than ballon d'ors
@@koi6507 aman who doesn't want his children to have a mother 😢
renoldo is cocky
that is a big lie, messi works exactly as hard as ronaldo. also ronaldo was one the most talented players 20 years ago. This is just his pr
“Who would you bring on when you’re 1-0 down”, totally stupid question to compare these two players. One is a striker who can sniff out a goal from anywhere, the other is a player who controls a game and allows the players around him to shine as well as scoring and assisting as well.
It gets even more embarassing when you look up their stats as substitutes
i Wouldn't even say he can sniff out a goal from anywhere ( although he desperately tries to )..he misses an awful lot ( most other strikers would get pulled but Ronaldo has that entitlement and managers with weak character so he always remains on the pitch til one of his 'disciples' farm him a tap in ) ....the only thing that impresses me from Ronaldo is his ability to Attack a corner with his head
Who’s the best footballer?
Ian Holloway: Ronaldo has an amazing mentality
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Which is part of it
@@aidangriffiths5075 in terms of actual ability though it really shouldn’t be a debate between Messi and Ronaldo, Messi is easily the better player, the better goal scorer, the playmaker that starts attack and usually finishes them, has more assists, far better at set pieces nowadays, the only thing ronaldo has over Messi is the athleticism and arguably composure at the tensest moments
@@aidangriffiths5075 but not the biggest part lol? You wouldn’t say Milner is great because his mentality. Messi has everything.
@Proger Korg Messi is a better goalscorer
Messi has them most assists of all time, is 30 goals behind ronaldo having played over 200 games less, hes a far better passer, hes a far better dribbler, he has more trophies, he has more golden shoes, he has more Balon D'ors and is over 2 years younger. Plus nobody since Ronaldinho makes you feel the excitement Messi does when you sit down to watch a game hes playing. Genuinly don't even understand why theirs a debate
And pessi is ghosting on a super team in a farmers league hahahahahahah. nice
@@ElDragow ok
@@ElDragow a kid has arrived in the comments section
@@ElDragow Ye but scored a banger against a billion pound squad.
The debate exists because Manchester United, Real Madrid and Juventus fan bases are HUGE. 99% of football people with no affiliation to those teams pick Messi. No surprises why.
Prime example of Messi's mentality is he went from being an average free kick taker to the best by far in the world stats wise in the last few years through sheer effort and practice after training. Ronaldo's free kick taking on the other hand...
But Messi has ended up at PSG, that's not an elite mentality transfer
@@adamsims9867 yes it is, it was his only option to win the Cl again. Man City couldnt get him no more after Grealish deal. Where should he then go if not Paris?
@@adamsims9867 yeah because it's not like Juventus won the previous 7 titles before Ronaldo joined...
@@PassportBro_ Madrid? Lmfao
CR7 had tendinosis in 2014.
This whole episode is gold, Ian is definitely getting on in years but he’s still knows how to make fun of himself and express himself the way he always has
I'm confused why bringing someone off the bench for the last 10 minutes to score a goal is somehow the definitive question of greatness - what about the previous 80 minutes?!
Mhmm
Previous 80 minutes don't matter because they're both on the bench 😏
And Messi is infact better at scoring coming off from the bench, he‘s scored more goals in extra time and twice as many goals as CR7 from coming off the bench.
Word lol
Why are they even comparable, do peoples eyes work differently to min? messi is on another level ffs
Most Ronaldo fans watch Instagram not football
@@CJ12952 true. There ist actually no debate. Its just made up by the english media because off course they want that the best player had played in their league.
Nah Ronaldo is far better
How many records has Ronaldo broken? Why do Messi fans try to discredit CR7 so much, they’re both amazing
@@CheeseyMilkshakes please don't class me as a "Messi fan trying to discredit cr7" & im not talking about records im talking about who is a better player at the game football
people saying messi aint working as hard just because he doesnt have a six-pack like ronaldo😂
He has a six pac though
There's no question Messi's mentality is just as driven as Ronaldo's, which because of his level of natural ability and introverted personality gets overlooked. Talent is one thing but you don't get to the level Messi has and remain there without the determination and hunger has. Like Ronaldo, he wants to play every game and though he's a lot more of a team player, he also wants to be on the scoresheet each game. The fact Messi is able to score like he does, while dropping deep to create is why he's the best ever. No individual has been able to combine goalscoring, playmaking and dribbling to the level Messi has.
Spot on mate. You understand the sport.
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@@Gfresh844 You have spoken an absolute fact . Some people don’t understand how hard Messi works and his talent overshadows this . When someone talks about talent without hard work , I remember post 86’ Maradona and post 2006 Ronaldinho . And then there are tons of failed talents for an example.
Yh it was a dumb point to say Messi isn’t driven
He’s driven but I don’t think he is AS driven as CR7. I don’t think Ronaldo would’ve retired from international football after losing a couple finals. There’s levels to having an elite mentality.
Everyone who says ronaldo is the best, always speak about "work ethic" and such but if you look at the numbers there is literally no debate. Messi is far ahead of ronaldo. If you need to talk about abstract things that cant be measured, you have lost the argument. The only job messi and ronaldo have as footballer is creating goals for their teams and messi wins that easily. He scores just as many if not more goals and on top of that he beats ronaldos ass in terms of assists.
The problem is Messi can only play one kind of style of football. Ronaldo could adapt to any style. That is why Ronaldo edges it for me.
@@nigefal wtf do you mean? Messi and ronaldo are both so good that neither has to adapt to a playstyle. The play always revolves around them, except in recent years ronaldo has become a poacher so hes basically just the finisher. If they had to adapt to a new style of play, i reckon messi could do it better because there are no clear weaknesses to his game while ronaldo has struggled with passing and dribbling for years now.
Ronaldo has more international goals and more champions league goals than any other male footballer. I don't have a problem with you thinking Messi is better but you can't change my mind either. Siiiiuuuuu
@@broughy23 when did i call ronaldo an ass? Look up what literally means. Also most ucl goals and international goals are cool, but most goals in a calendar year or a domestic season are cooler. Especially that international goal thing seems quite irrelevant when you remember that most of those goals were scored against the likes of malta, liechtenstein, georgia and andorra. Meanwhile the worst international opponent messi has to face regularly is bolivia, who is ranked 83rd on fifa rankings. There are 18 european countries ranked lower than bolivia.
@@broughy23 also you literally said "you cant change my mind" which means that you will ignore facts and logic just so that you can be right in your head.
Messi has the most assists of all time and is only 30 goals shy of what Ronaldo has all time, and Ronaldo is 2 years older. Messi has goal scoring and assisting and it’s even a debate ???? Messi is clearly the best
2 years older but I do think Messi will retire before Ronaldo ...
@@CLCVP Messi’s ego wouldn’t allow that, and Ronaldo has an ego to but messi’s is very underrated !
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Ronaldo started off as a winger and he is not miles behind Messi's assist record
Ronaldo played as a RM in a 442 system for 4 years in united and then was a forward. Messi played as a RW then CF and back to RW and at one point arguably the best team ever. Basic ball knowledge
I’d have a read of the history of Messi growing up if you don’t think he has had to work hard to become what he has. This Ronaldo works hard and Messi hasn’t had to argument is unfair and disrespectful.
It’s actually a joke. How can messi not work hard
It’s common sense, Messi is the most talented as well as the hardest working. He’s both. That’s why he’s the outlier.
holloway did say the ones at the very top do everything, so I don't think he thinks that. also I believe Ronaldo has shown his mentality is above Messi by changing aspects of his game and forming himself into a complete player. Messi gives off a vibe of nonchalance and I agree with Holloway that cr7 just is on. new level in respect to competitiveness and attitude
I've genuinely never heard anyone say "Messi doesn't work hard", you're trying to force a narrative here
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Love Holloway, but his reasoning of taking Ronaldo over Messi partially explains why he was only ever a top championship manager and not at the very very pinnacle.
This is spot on!
I get where everyone in the comments is coming from but the question was 1 goal down and 10 minutes left his reasoning for ronaldo is 100% valid he’s shown countless times his able to turn the game till the last minute of a match as seen recently with the match against Villarreal absolute freak of nature at 36 yrs
@@cent9424 problem is, messi has a better record of coming off the bench and scoring goals. So the definitive answer is messi here.
take it you manage in the prem and your much better than ian 😂
Did you reach the pinnacle or Holloway's level ? Is that why you feel your opinion is worth more ? 🤡
Any Barcelona player would tell you that Messi trains the hardest and is hard on his teammates as well. Just because his PR machine isn't as large as Ronaldo's and isn't focused on his abs and diet, doesn't mean Messi isn't just as driven to succeed. The man is ahead of Ronaldo statistics wise and is a far more important player for his teams.
He also simply is a lot more fun to watch. Rather watch Messi do anything with a football than watch Ronaldo score a tap-in in the 90th minute after doing fuck-all all game.
lmaooo, the tears hahahaahahahah
you don’t sound bitter at all mate…
And yet now for the first time in a new country with the greatest team money can buy he’s been very average. Ronaldo’s proved it in 4 different countries and now a repeat country at 36, Messi has only ever been in one system for the most part with Xavi and Iniesta. Why has he only scored 1 goals in 5 or 6 appearances for PSG and why have their results been fairly poor in a much worse leage
@@darthconquerus Xavi and Iniesta left years ago and he done completely fine without them winning another Balon d’or. Messi was literally carrying Barca for the last few years. If you’ve watched Messi at PSG you’ll know that he’s been one of the better players
@@steffanh9368 lmao hasnt won a ucl since 2015 cus xavi and iniesta didnt carry him. Also no, mbappe, neymar, di maria are better at psg. stop being deluded.
Messi has more g/a, more ballon dor's, better goal to game ratio, better creativity record and brings far more to a team. Thinking that Ronaldo better is honestly just delusion.
@@blackscreen1810 Ronaldo vs Bayern 2012? Ronaldo vs Chelsea 2008 (when Van Der Sar and John Terry spared his blushes)? His juventus stint? He had worse teams with a Real Madrid team with world class players every position? Manchester United when they were the best team in the world? Lmao please
@@blackscreen1810 messi was brilliant at anfield away
Quite stupid arguments here, but just fr clearing some things for people -
Messi is a winner and works insanely hard
Ronaldo has a crazy load of talent.
It’s the other way around bud
@@dunkzanator6808 They both have an elite mentality and skill. Ronaldo has more mentality and selfishness (in a good way) than Messi but Messi has more skill
@@mohammadtalhasharif3290 hes saying that they both have elite winners mentality and work ethic along with talent. i think he just meant they are those things on top of the things people already view them as
Hes not saying it isn't the opposite way around. He obviously means that messi also has a crazy amount of winning mentality and ronaldo also has a crazy amount of talent. To be considered the best 2 footballers ever and both having been at the top for 15 years they obviously both have both in abundance
Yeah, you need both talent and hard work/winning mentality to be considered one of the greats. The phrase ‘Hard work beats talent if talent doesn’t work hard’ isn’t accurate to be honest, sometimes talent alone can straight carry an athlete as unfair as it may seem at least for some time- take Hazard for example, insane talent in the Prem and his teammates admitted he slacked in training but on the pitch he was a beast as he could win a game on his own by creating or scoring. Nowadays that isn’t the case for him lol but the point still stands, if you don’t have talent, then it doesn’t matter how hard you work, you’ll always fall short of greatness as there’s no foundation there, you’ll be good at most but not great...like Fred for example: Fred works hard, Fred puts in 100% on the pitch and...Fred is still shit. Likewise if you don’t work hard or have a winning mentality, you won’t have the longevity and discipline needed to keep your body in top form and the muscle memory/drills would have helped you in abundance in any on-pitch scenario. Those who say Ronaldo is 100% just a product of hard work are just...well they’re retarded. Plain and simple. His mentality is rare and freakish but he’s as good as he is because that’s built on a foundation of natural ability, ability which is obvious if they watched him play in the Prem in his early years with the tricks, first touches etc anyway both Messi and Ronaldo have a gargantuan amount of both hard work and talent but they each depend more on one than the other as one is more naturally gifted and the other is more psychologically gifted. To say Messi doesn’t work hard is as equally stupid as saying Ronaldo doesn’t have talent.
Ive not watched it yet but he better say Messi is better
Edit: statistically Messi is a better winner and scores more winners. This mentality thing is bullshit
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Funny how people act as if ronaldo has no talent and Messi doesn’t work hard.
There is no debate to anyone who understands the sport and watches both regularly. Messi is beyond clear.
Imagine being so stupid. Ronaldo and messi fanbotys equally dont understand its just opinions. Although its always the messi fans who use the "if you understand the sport" argument and its so cringe. Grow tf up and enjoy both. Like messi if you want, still wont change the fact the Ronaldo and messi debate will go on forever without an answer.
No right or wrong just whatever is best for you
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Can’t go to a farmers league lad sorry, messi has lost the debate by his own choice imo..
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Of course it’s opinion-based. However, if you think Ronaldo’s better, your opinion is well and truly fucking awful and not worth listening to. Cheers.
Can we stop the narrative that Messi doesn't work hard? There's plenty of people who are naturally gifted (Ronaldo being one of them) who don't get to that level. Talent only gets you so far, you have to discipline yourself and I think this 5"7 man breaking records left and right, nevermind believing in himself since he was a child despite his size, is phenomenal.
no one said he doesnt work hard, people just say Ronaldo works acceptionally harder because he does and its obvious. Not hating on Messi at all.
@@samueljackson2257 Is it obvious?
@@samueljackson2257 how do you know ronaldo works harder?
looking at what messi does on a pitch h has the highest work rate than any other player
@@heythere1386 are u dumb? its literally a know fact ronaldo has the highest work rate out of anyone on the pitch. managers have said it, other players have said it, i thought it was a well known thing about him. not saying messi doesnt work hard but hes got a lot of natural talent where as ronaldo has gotten this far purely off hard work and dedication.
Ian Holloway acts like Messi doesn't want to win. LOL. He acts like Messi only has the skill and no desire to win. You can't be as successful as he is without an elite mentality. These kind of arguments are straw man. Ian Holloway is what I call a typical English passion merchant manager. And English managers wonder why foreign coaches get the top jobs in English football. This is why
@hfc lmao, typical butthurt messi fans who get so insecure and try to shit on someone who doesnt like their fav player just as much as they like him. Its like he doesnt understand there is no right answer and that it will be always different opinions, and thats why everyone is right cus its opinion. these kids man....
That's not what he said, he said he never saw a man with Ronaldo's determination to win and succeed, his passion and desire gives him an edge. He didn't say Messi has no desire to win or succeed.
A good example of this is the paths they chose for their careers; Ronaldo had it good in every club he's played, he was successful in United, Madrid and Juve when he left them, but he kept going onwards to find new places to succeed in and conquer
If not for Barcelona's shitty board and financial crisis, Messi would've stayed there until retirement, no matter if the club saw success like it did during most of his time there, or whether it was in serious decline in his last years. Ronaldo would chase titles and try to win as much as he could that what Ian said about his desire to always win and will to succeed no matter what
Also, foreign coaches succeed because of their tactics, but they are just as passionate when it comes to desire to win and will to succeed and value it as much as any English manager does. Mourinhos a good example of this, there's literally compilations of him saying the most important things is mentality and wanting to win, Guardiola wouldn't except players that didn't give 100% of their time to the game or think of themselves as too good to certain things.
@hfc Not hurt, lol. I was making the point that plenty of players have the same determination to win as Ronaldo. Having determination to win only gets you so far without the skill. Skill will always seperate the elite players from the average players with determination. This whole "the win is all that matters 'attitude in English football which goes down to school boy level and usually starts there is partly why the England team has underperformed and barely any English players play abroad. Skill is more important and always will be. I'd say the same about Ronaldo so it's you that is in fact "hurt"
@@De3dSh0t You missed my point about foreign coaches. Of course they are passionate about winning but they don't have a win at all costs attitude that many British managers do
Tap ins dont just come out of anywhere. It requires other players to work and set you up, you can credit Ronaldo for getting in the box but you have to credit the person who provides the assist. Messi is FAR ahead of Ronaldo in terms of assisting and plays directly leading to goals.
Surely hardwork, passion and talent go hand in hand. They are both wonders of the game and to achieve what they have, drive and passion must have been put in abundance. I dont understand why this is still an argument!
That’s what makes Messi greater in my opinion. The fact that he hasn’t had to change his game and is still the best footballer in the world or top 5 at this point of his career is madness. Players almost always have to adapt but Messi is the anomaly. Ronaldo has had to change his game so much because he can’t do what he used to in his earlier years, whereas Messi is still dictating games and being involved and is still getting an insane amount of goal contributions during the course of the season. I think ronaldo is great but the ronaldo at his best died about 7 years ago. Whereas I think messi’s last peak was maybe a season or two ago, which again shows how much longer he was at his peak and how much more involved he’s been within his team. You only have to look at the state of Barcelona right now and that alone shows you what Messi was having to do on such a regular basis to cover the so many deficiencies of an average team
He's in a terrible league and can't even score in it 🤣🤡
@@narinderkang6036 do we’re going to judge Messi five games into the season? 😂 my god, football fans are reactionary. Ronaldo has played in the so called farmer leagues as well and juve didn’t fare too well. They’re both great but I just prefer one over the other. You fanboys get so twisted up when someone goes against your favourite 🤦♂️
That’s the reason I think Ronaldo is the best though, because he is able to adapt and do different things as a player, he grows and changes and always comes out on top by working hard as fook
@@narinderkang6036 first off, if you knew anything, you’d know La liga was the best league in the world for a lot of the 2010s, as proven by Spanish teams results against premier league teams in European competitions. You say messi isn’t doing good in Paris, how? Didn’t Ronaldo also take 3 games to score his first goal for juventus? Yes he did. You’re a plastic fan who doesn’t know anything about the sport.
@@RyanCarbo96 yet he scored against Man City, Ronaldo loses to young boys.
People don’t appreciate Messi’s work ethic
It's the same at all levels. I've coached Sunday league teams since I was 16. I'm now 22, and in 90% of the age groups I've coached, the best/most skilled player has been the most difficult. My under 14s won the league last season, and our striker who scored 40+ goals last season was such a little shit, that I didn't even attempt to change his mind when he told me he was leaving at the start of this season. Cause whenever things didn't go his way, he would belittle the other players. So now we're struggling this season, but my main focus is building the other lads confidence back up. Which is ridiculous if you consider that we've just lifted a league trophy. But that's how damaging it can be
There are 100s of talented footballers and if Messi is only talent, then why don't we see 100s of Messis, people undermine Messi's hardwork a lot. Man's lasted more than 15 years and that can't happen without hard work and tough mentality.
Messi was nurtured and team built around him to play to his strengths. English football has looked always for athletes to turn into footballers as opposed to talented skillful footballers
Messi is so clear. I don’t think it’s even a debate 🤷♂️
I hate this snobbish, elitist mentality people have when saying Messi is better. People act like Ronaldo hasn't even put in a good enough career to even be compared to messi
@@weww982 he hadnt
@@weww982 he hasn’t though. Ronaldo best asset is goal scoring and messi is even better than him at that. Messi is just the better football player. The debate is stupid
@@Hakwbebsu26 very narrow minded way to look at the debate. Even if I agree that Messi edges the debate
Can’t even score in the french league.
The debate is so annoying just appreciate greatness
No Messi is astronomically a better football player. The eye test says it all. This debate is a joke
@@Hakwbebsu26 great point of eye test mate....many just ignore it...
@@Hakwbebsu26 Ronaldo is miles clear, once you understand football you'll know
@@ElDragow 😂😂u mad
How fucking boring!
i’m more of a ronaldo fan but i saw an interview where ben chilwell said when leicester played barcelona messi wasn’t even trying but he was still unstoppable. messi was born to be the best of all time. he’s ridiculously good
I'm more of a Messi fan but even I have to admit Ronaldo is way, way better than him at football.
@@talesfromtheclassroom lol
@@talesfromtheclassroom I remember you are that troll that keeps saying Ronaldo is better than Messi on Have Hope's football Channel well I guess karma got you because Messi just won the world cup and won player of the tournament once and for all proving that he is much better than Ronaldo ever was now sit down and cry Rob since your fake goat is finished forever playing in the camel league 😂
Messi is the greatest player ever these English football jokers can do whatever PR ...won't help .this forced debate was never a debate
Messi is the goat 🐐
Lol you make me laugh sad clown with your false claims
0 goals in farmers league😭
@@harryb3164 how about u watch a football game?, and I know its a crazy concept for someone like u, but just watch a game messi played in, u will see who is more talented. football isn't all stats, malldini didn't score 100 goals did he?, he's still one of the goats
Compare Ronaldo to Messi and then Messi to the greats… Messi brings out imagination and feelings no one else in football can.
As amazing as Ronaldo has been compared to the rest he gets the same credit for poaching a goal in a game as Messi does for running one and scoring something beautiful
How can people say Cristiano Ronaldo is the GOAT when this little magical man by far has the leading amounts of MOTM awards? He can playmake like a architect, he can score like a machine plus he creates magic on the field and bring tear of joy to so many people around the world. The only real GOAT
so messi has 6 ballon d oros 6 golden boots around 40 cups in la liga including titles, 90 goals in 1 year and a copa america, but no hes all talent, if messi had ronaldos body ill bet u my life alot more people would say messi, i have an example too, i kid u not this morning i was on a dall with my friends playing brawlhalla, and we were talking about football with a friend who works out everyday alot more than my friends and i did, and he said, i dont know whos who but "the one with the abs is better no cap" i bet u theres more ppl out there like this kid
Who would i rather have as a player? MESSI every day of the week.
Ronaldo is one of the best goalscorer football has seen. A lethal aerial player because of his physique and his crazy training.
Leo on the other hand is The God of Football. He has a much better goal ratio, better types of goals, better passes whether it's low balls or pings, most assist in football, glitch like dribbling, eagle eye vision and he does it all with simple honest football. He doesn't cheat or dive or act.
And he is the most decorated player in history whilst holding many records that will probably stand forever.
It's such an insane idiotic argument to compare him to anyone else. His 3rd best season as an individual is already unreachable for everyone. You can hate Barcelona and Argentina, but if you love football, you have to love Leo or at least acknowledge he is something else entirely.
To me, I grew up watching him since 2008. So it's only natural for me to apotheosize him. So many names have been labelled as "next Messi" and not even 1 of them are even ¼ as good as Messi.
Btw the best thing about Leo is, he is the best role model there is on and off the pitch. Lives a simple family man life, no dramas and nonsense, genuinely a nice and humble guy.
3:33 i will bring on messi honestly, have yous seen the free kicks he scored at injury time?
I’d take Prime Messi over Prime Ronaldo anyday
2012 Messi really was unbeatable.
Nah
@@oli_jordanoski7014 🤦♂️
I agree
@@ixWoodziee the messi that got beat by 10 man Chelsea team in the semi finals of the champions league 😭😂😂😂
Messi has scored more than double the goals (48) ronaldo has scored (20) coming off the bench with only 3 more games as a substitute so the debate of who you want coming off the bench shouldn’t even exist.
Sorry guys you but when it comes to goals here are statistics: After 1000 games, Messi overtakes CR7 on three accounts: the top scorer prize goes to Messi, having netted 789 goals against 725 from Cristiano Ronaldo. In the assisting department, Messi also got the best part: 348 to 216. So let's rethink who thinks miles ahead in terms of the game? Who carried Argentina to the World Cup? Ronaldo was also there; how did he perform? Once again game on game- both were in the world stage and in actual fact the Portguese team had better players than the Argentinian one. But who out performed the other? Now talking about the game itself - football is a teamsport right? So who has more assists? Who builds the game from midfield? The little man who isn't has tall or as strong as Ronaldo, so surely he as to work just as hard as latter, wouldn't you agree? Now when it comes to the beauty of the game, there's no doubt that the little man outshines everyone...
Messi is too good ❤
People talk like Messi was just born with his six pack and athletic body lol
Nope it was the drugs Barca gave him
Literally every stat leads to Messi being by far the better player .
Goals
Assists
Trophies
Balon D'or
Messi wins at all of them
Facts g they'll never understand. Even ability wise. Ronaldo only has pens and heading
goals would of went to pele but ronaldo broke that record so ronaldo assists idk trophies went to dani alves and most Ballon D'ors went to messi
@@lfcglory9593 I was comparing Messi vs Ronaldo. Not eith everyone that's ever played and Messis goals to game ratio isn't even comparable to Ronaldo
@@blazesbrother5140 wow wow I'll have to stop you right there you see what ronaldo does on that pitch and you have the nerve to say that?
@@stevedd6890 well I was giving you the facts not every time is messi ronaldo only thing there ON YOUR LIST that goes to messi is most ballon D'ors
Messi has double the goals of Ronaldo off the bench 😂😂
😂😂 what
Surely against Eibar or Getafe
@@mohammedumair9881 so what?
Many goals from Ronaldos national goals are against teams like Liechtenstein,...
And? That’s because Ronaldo starts every game and has the stamina to play the full 90.
This has aged since the world cup 2022 ended.
Messi leads his team to the final and wins it, While Ronaldo comes of the bench to NOT help his team.
People calling Ronaldo the goat because he’s having a better start this season vs Messi. But the word “GOAT” means Greatest Of All Time and Messi clearly has had a better career but these Ronaldo fan boys just forget that.
And every Messi fan boy will undermine Ronaldo while acting like they’re above the Ronaldo fans. Ultimately these debates are always toxic
Wouldn’t say either of them has had the better career. They’ve both won pretty much everything. If Ronaldo wins a major trophy with United though, he just edges it in my opinion.
@@ihtishamhussain1785 its always "every ( ) fan is toxic bla bla bla" this debate will never end bc there's always someone who is disrespectful, smh
@@domb4694 well he didnt ..he made them clearly worse....oh, and messi won the world cup and will win next copa america too
What useless talk? So, Messi doesn't have winning mentality? So, without that mentality he destroyed top clubs in Europe and then went to win the World Cup/Copa America and so many?
Messi is a genius, the likes of which we cannot see in our lifetime. Ronaldo is a great player but we will be seeing such people in our lifetime!
Messi is a magician and makes you love football!
Messi was with the same team playing with Xavi, Iniesta and busquets in midfield week in week out, 10+ years playing together with chemistry is why messi’s goal ratio is so impressive
Great players always play with great teams and players . Other than Maradona with Napoli , who had only 2-3 quality players
@@amr4336 Gerrard played with an average Liverpool team most of his career, Kane at Tottenham and Ozil at Arsenal. Messi stayed because he felt secure and didn’t want to take any risks. Tbf I wouldn’t leave either at a club that won that much
@@JustJack555 I was talking about the greatest players only . And about Messi , it was more about loyalty , especially from the last 3 years when the other players relied so much on Messi and Barcelona suffered back to back humiliations , but he didn’t want to leave the club .
@@amr4336 in the meantime CR7 is winning champions leagues and titles with multiple teams getting used to different players, managers and a different game of football
@@JustJack555 And Messi decided to stay a one club man unlike Cristiano, nothing wrong in that . Both are the greatest
Brah, you don’t get to do all that messi has done on the ground of talent, ronaldinho had talent, r9 had talent, neymar had talent, kaka, not one of them were as focused as messi was, the longevity, the focus. He said it himself he wants to win more. People try to discredit him by dismissing his work, no one can be at that level at ANYTHING, let alone football, the most competitive sport on earth just by been talented. He left his home country at the age of 15 to chase his dream, he couldn’t sign for any clubs bc of his physical disability. And he had to go thro all that just for ppl to say he is all talent…another thing is that, messi is clear of ronaldo when it comes to coming off the bench, his stats prove that… like stop saying ronaldo is the goat on the basis of your personal agenda, MESSI is undoubtedly the greatest footballer in history, and that is a fact at this point of his carrer.
Ps, man said the greasted defender was bore like maldini and bekanboure played tenis…
For starters maradonna more than pele, he played in dead league. Cr7 is something else in terms of goals yes 2nd to none, greatest goalscorer ever you could say. However the debate about Ronaldo or messi coming off the bench in a game, caraaager disproved that lol with Neville, also does everyone forget messi is only 2yrs younger and still producing at the highest of levels. They BOTH are and we should just appreciate them cz we will never see this again probably. Messi has also played nearly 200games less and his game ratio is higher than ronies. Messi can do it all and influence a game when needed whether that's a goal or creating. His stats are ridiculous in creating, assisting, driblels, fk and goals etc and involvement in play. Ronaldo is on the knife edge of a game and will need service yes he gets the job done and is INCREDIBLE as he always seems to pull it out the hat. Tbh any will do the job lol
Who played in a dead league? You are aware that the Brazilian league was the premier league of the 60s and 70s.
@@joshzulu8444 calm down now lol. It wasn’t a dead league at all but don’t overhype it either, you were not even born mate
But....how come then, that Messi has scored double, at least, the number of goals coming off the bench than Ronaldo?....this myth that Ronaldo is a better goalscorer than Messi is for the birds, really. Messi has a better goals per game ratio; more goals from outside the box than ANYONE!; has the most goals in a season AND in a calender year in history; has more assists AND pre-assists, than anyone; the best dribbler, bar none; and runs a game better than anyone, including the great Deigo Arnando Maradona! So, please. The greatest praise or compliment to Ronaldo is his being even in the conversation at all....he does what others do(sometimes better, give or take)...but Messi does things that you haven't seen....things that would make you doubt your eyes. So, please.
You can only ‘end’ the debate if you give good reasons and say Messi is better
People who say Messi is all talent. You can't play at the top level of football for 2 decades with just Talent. Look at Maradona and Ronaldinho they both had Talent like messi the only difference is that they didn't stay at the top for long because of their work ethics Maradona was coke addict and Ronaldinho was womaniser and a cluber. Messi doesn't do any of that and that's what kept him on the top for so long. The desire and the hunger to keep going scoring goals giving assists Week in Week out.
I've been lucky enough to exist in an era to witness both Messi & Cristiano, and the past legends of Maldini, and the like. Let's appreciate them, while they still last ⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽
Love your content mate♥️
indeed
very well said dude👍
Your videos are on fire
. You have a good eye for weird stories 🔥🔥
It's so overdone the debate. No right or wrong just what's best for you
One day in 2010 messi just “rolls of his bed”
And he decided to become the best free kick taker
Hmm wow mate THAT NOT MENTALITY?
Ok maybe “LUCK” ?
For me it is still too difficult to pick who is better, both of them have got the upper hand on each other in different aspects like messi has the most goals in a single calendar year, Ronaldo has the most goals internationally, messi is better dribbler, Ronaldo is physically better shape etc, I just enjoy watching them both and I just can't understand people who slate them both, you would do anything to get either of them playing for your club.
Messi is a better passer and free kick taker as well. I would say at this moment in time, Messi is ahead especially after the Copa America win....
Only difficult to those who want to be bias
stop please with this international thing ....Its becoz he gets to play against shit like Luxembourg, Andorra, Estonia, San Marino, Faroe isles, Liechtenstein, Armenia, Latvia, Gibraltar, Malta, Cyprus, Kazakhstan, etc etc ... Most of Ronaldo's International goals are against teams ranked in the late 100's, 200's in world football !!!
and the goal he scores against decent teams are usually all pens or occasionally tap ins !!!
If Ronaldo was so good ( even in himself ) he wouldn't even need to play in those games and Portugal could actually start thinking of the next generation instead.
Messi has to face Uruguay, Chile, Brazil, Colombia all the damn time to qualify for a big tournament...even teams like Bolivia and Venezuela would destroy all those European part time nations.
Messi still has time to catch him ..not that it matters anyway
No wonder why no club has picked up Holloway, messi clear
But Messi is just miles better
haha
“Miles” stop being deluded lad
@@ryanbridges4042 he is absolutely miles better son
200 more goal contributions in far less games
He's a playmaker a scorer, a dribbler
Ronaldo is just a poacher
Messi can do it all
@@swaglad9728 you’re acting like Ronaldo is Jamie Vardys level. He’s slightly better I’d say
@@ryanbridges4042 Messi is literally miles clear statistically and visibly
While you can find a specific answer to the question asked in the video, there is an interesting statistic. That stat is goals as substitute. Messi 98 appearances as a substitution 48 goals (57.8 mins per goal), ROnaldo 95 appearances as a substitution 20 goals (127 mins per goal). You can talk about mentality as much as you want, numbers dont lie.
How many times has Ronaldo come off the bench to change a match? Never! Messi has done it many times over. Funny that you people talk about mentality. Lol. Messi has suffered brutality in attacks and all and does more on the pitch than anyone. Ian is funny and doesn't know what he's saying. Messi even has a better goalscoring record than Ronaldo! So, what's your argument? Messi beats him hands-down in every department of the game.
You can't get anywhere without hard work. Why do people think a player like Messi, who's the undisputed GOAT can do such things without hardwork?
If u say that Ronaldo is better then messi, sorry u dont know anything about football
Ronaldo's goals are the goals, but Messi's goals are not only the goals, but also the beauty of football history.
That's why great players tend not to make great managers. They don't know why they're so good and they can't understand why lesser players can't do what they themselves can do
This didn’t settle anything
So u r a better player cuz u hv stronger mentality. I swear ppl who prefer ronaldo always talk smth else other than the football aspects itself
The messi ronaldo debate will be decided when they both retire..in there prime they are inseparable. So it will be decided on how they preform out of it.
Messi in his “prime” scored 91 goals and 19 assists in 1 year. And people still debate if that was his prime season . Messi is clear
@@Hakwbebsu26 yeah but could he do it on a cold Tuesday night in stoke I guess we will never know
Maradona is better than both
@@Dontbeasheep33 I love Maradona but that's a load of old rubbish
@@BeansBeansBeans utterly clueless. Nobody in the history of football has done what Maradona did for 6 years. NOBODY. Anybody who knows football knows he was the greatest
Messi is from different planet , I am wondering that these idiots are thinking after messi won the world cup ..... Messi is natural Talent , which means you cant get there by training
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People might think its small time, but you should get David Buust on the podcast to talk about his career ending injury against man united. He was the teacher when I did my FA level 1 coaching badge and he's a great guy, very interesting
Ian Holloway just confirmed why I always thought he was a clown.
Messi 100% over Ronaldo and Ronaldos goals in the prem this season have been tap ins
Scoring tap ins doesn't make you bad
Messi isn’t even scoring you muppet, why you acting like tap ins don’t count? He was the only player in position to score them.
@@CheeseyMilkshakes hes a RW
@@gl1ding Salah got the golden boot from RW last season
@@CheeseyMilkshakes thats bc of his playstyle
Nobody is saying Messi doesn't work hard fact is throughout both their careers only one person has been applauded by every one that has worked with him as being the hardest worker ever and those people themselves are ridiculously hardworking
*MESSI IS THE GOAT 🐐*
Can we just enjoy both, guys? We're football fans ffs, let's just be grateful we get to watch the two greatest of all time play
FINALLY someone who’s is actually smart and facts not feelings
Huh?
@@Nhleko9303 feelings guy ?
@@skullzjoka4739 what are you on about? What was facts lol?
@@Nhleko9303 is pointless to argue with ppl who are based on feeling rather than facts
What facts? He said he’d rather Ronaldo come on as a sub. FACT is, messi has a better record of coming on as a sub and scoring. FACT is messi is a better dribbler, has a better goal per game ratio, is less than 40 goals behind Ronaldo despite Ronaldo playing 200 more games, has more assists than Ronaldo, is more versatile Ronaldo as a player, and has even scored more goals from outside the box. All facts.
Shouldn't even be a debate in the first place. The people in football who know what they're talking about say Messi.
Ronaldo for me. There is a clear argument between them for “GOAT” status. However, they are very different players so it can become a very opinion vs opinion battle. Ronaldo is the GOAT for me because I prefer him as an option if my team needed a goal, he’s proven in multiple leagues, his ability in the air is almost unmatched, he’s physically a beast and a good leader. Personally, I would bet Ronaldo will end his career with many more significant achievements than Messi total.
I hope you don't bet much.
Oh dear. Messi is better at almost everything.
@@CJ12952 Messi has moved to a god squad tbf but I wouldn’t class winning ligue 1 as an achievement, if PSG don’t win the champions league it’s a poor season with that squad
Allan Saint-Maximin is the secret 🐐
Messis beating Ronaldo everytime there was a big game and they faced eachother, the fact he says that his mentality is better than Messis is absolutely ridiculous look how he overcame losing so many finals with Argentina to finally persevere and get the job done. Both are extraordinary in their own way Messi just tops him cause he’s in the genius category like Maradona and Pele
Such amazing guests man, great podcast
Ronaldo is the greatest international player ever based off his numbers and is the best champions league player ever as well, those two feats alone should end the debate he is the greatest player ever. Can’t believe I’m defending a United player
International player nope not close, and CL player debatable
You can't be the greatest international player when you've done nothing in the World Cup. Even in the Euros 2016 he scored only 3 times, 2 in the group stage and once in the knockout stage. That doesn't look like the greatest to me.
@@princeeze251 most international goals ever and most CL goals ever also most goals scored in a champions league campaign ever lol just stop
@@owenynwa4eva203 most international goals but you have to put it in context, against easy opponents, and also not only goals make you the best, with that logic Ali daei was the best international players prior to ronaldo, Messi has more international motm, pott, trophies (Olympics and copa) and ronaldo isn't good at wc
@@owenynwa4eva203 also Messi has a higher goal per game in cl
Honestly why do People think messi doesn’t have the same mentality as Ronaldo honestly it’s because messi isn’t as flashy as ronaldo
I think it's fair to say that Ronaldo has the better mentality, but that doesn't change the fact that Messi has an elite mentality as well. One of the biggest winners in football. He has to, otherwise he wouldn't be the best or second best in the world for more than a decade.
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This is the greatest nonsense of the year! There is no way Pep would have signed Ronaldo. Just for the record, Messi doesn't compare himself with anyone, the converse is what we've seen. Ronaldo's quest to lure you, people, to think and believe that he is in the same conversation as Messi should be fed to mediocre minds. Messi is greatness in itself!
If we had a "common sense award" I would have gifted you one. You are deserving of it. When grown-ups have platforms they speak like kids. This is the greatest "stupidity of the year"
Makes sense, but messi is still the better player in my opinion
Without question but Diego is the greatest of all time.
Basically, Messi is better but Ronaldo works hard so as a manager he prefers Ronaldo
People who say Ronaldo always have the same shot reasons 😂 “He worked harder for it” okay doesn’t matter if he did and how do we know that? Because he posts his gym pics on insta? 😂 I guarantee Messi is as hungry as Ronaldo to win.
Wow reading the comments a lot of people defending Messi? For years everyone saying Messi is the best but now seeing what Ronaldo has proven everyone gets upset when Ronaldo just took it all including fan's calling Messi Messi when Ronaldo would play different teams. And see still went out there and won over and over.
Where was this elite level mentality of Ronaldo when he could only managed 2 La Liga titles in 9 years? Forced debate.
Messi retired after failing to win trophy with Argentina... Ronaldo didn't.
I am not saying Ronaldo is better, but that statement speaks for itself... both are very different player so it all comes down to preference when it comes to this two players.... I watched Barcelona matches just because of Messi...I cannot even say who is better, because they're extremely good in different ways but like you have mentioned about elite level mentality Ronaldo despite winning only 2 he also won CL and Cups as well... He wasn't afraid of challenges which shows his elite mentality in every league... that for me is elite mentality despite failing but trying their best. but in the end who are we even kidding here I'd pay to seem them both even If I did not support Madrid or Barcelona... It was a joy to watch them in LaLiga it is sad that Messi went to PSG. It is such a bummer that he could've offered more in a better league since Ligue1 is not even in Europe Top 5 leagues anymore.
@@limi. Ronaldo left juve this year because they didn't win
He left real Madrid after failing to win the league
He left united after Messi embarrassed them in the ucl final
So stfu
@@swaglad9728 left real madrid after they won the champions league 3 times in a row. Stop cherry picking facts to suit your argument you mug
@@notorious3058 Ronaldo fans talking about cherry picking facts?
Lmao thats a good one
@@swaglad9728 why do you assume I'm a Ronaldo fan lol. Just pointing out Ronaldo doesn't "run away" from a challenge like you implied
Who gives a fuck about ten mins to go? Messi all day long and 4 times on a sunday
Messi penaldo
56 goals 98 matches
22 goals 97 matches
As. Substitute
Fact: Messi is the GOAT, and he is just incomparable!
Anyone who thinks Messi doesn’t work harder than everyone has obviously never competed at a decently high level in any sport.
Yea lad, cuz you playing for your local team means you understand the sacrifice professional athletes at the highest level make. Some people are just so naturally gifted, like messi. Not saying he doesn’t work hard, but stop chatting shit in UA-cam comments trying to group yourself in with actual footballers lol
Seen another comment of yours ‘anyone who understands the sport’ why is there so many faceless UA-cam commenters with this mad superiority complex I will never understand this
@@urmaluvzit5493
I work with professional footballers. Trust me, I understand how much work it takes to reach the top and stay there. Messi isn’t just the most talented, but he works the hardest too. That’s not a question, I know that’s the case. There’s a reason he’s by far the greatest of all time.
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I’m a performance analyst fella. Most people in this comment section have no more than a basic understanding of the sport. Most are just casual fans. That’s not an insult either, that’s just the truth.
@@urmaluvzit5493 that's just bull , doesn't matter how talented u are , u don't spend a decade dominating world football if u don't work hard , when he began his career he was not as good a passer , finisher or as good at freekicks as he is now so ofc he's continued to develop his game , also when u play for a local team or even for your skl , the amount of training and drills we do actually does make me think wow , footballers do harder stuff than this every day so i do appreciate their hard work
I don't know what the comments are on about, with Ian Holloway being disrespectful to Messi, he hasn't said a word about a lack of Messi's mentality. He has just praised Ronaldo for having an elite level mentality. It's like someone praising Messi's dribbling and then comments saying "Well what about Ronaldo earlier on in his career". Sure one of them is absolutely incredible at this but the other is just miles ahead of anyone else in this particular category. Praising one isn't dissing the other. For the last time, PRAISING ONE ISN'T DISSING THE OTHER.
Coming from a Messi fan btw.
idk to me the whole mentality thing is just pure bs “oh he wants it more than everyone” that’s pure waffle . every top level athlete has that mentality .
@@rmelo2382 Sure everyone has the mentality, but no one quite has it like Cristiano.
@@aryaanbasu9636 why are you acting like he isn’t a freak physically (compared to other footballers) . mentality aint doing shit for you if you’re not gifted … that’s why messi is better even though they say ronaldo “works harder” you can’t get to the top of the sport and stay there as long as guys like messi have and not have the same mentality as ronaldo . i get that its great but still we don’t need to make them godlike figures for no reason
Ian Holloway knows ball!
If you think Ronaldo is a better football player than Messi than you don’t know ball
Evidently not. He’s fucking clueless and this video proves it.
@@Hakwbebsu26 if you don't love and respect Ronaldo or Messi you don't love and don't know football FACT