So, as far as we know, nothing ever happened with Angelica and Alexander. They had a flirty-ish relationship (at least a very joking one) and would send letters to each other and such. She was pretty much the wise older sister and he would talk to her about politics and things since she was an intelligent woman. She did jokingly ask if she could borrow him once I believe, in a letter to Eliza, but it does just seem like sisterly banter. Exact quote, "if you were as generous as the old Romans, you would lend him to me for a little while." If anything, I've heard them being described as almost the same person, like in the song, they matched wit and had similar political views and things so they got along well. Angelica actually lived in Europe for a good chunk of time, so there was very little evidence that the two had anything but a very affectionate friendship. The rumors were there, though. In reality, Angelica had already gone off and eloped with her husband, by the time Alex and Eliza got hitched, so yeah. Oh, and their father did have sons, so yeah. (Alex and Eliza also named their first daughter after her) This song is great though and I think it works pretty well in the musical. Yikes this is long :p But I hope it's helpful to someone!
One of the things I really love about the live performances of Helpless and Satisfied is you can see the movements of the other song in the background. Someone made a comparison here on UA-cam that shows that pretty nicely. For example you can see Alexander and Angelica dance/talk with each other during Helpless just like in Satisfied etc.
This song evokes the strongest emotional journey yet, at least so far in the musical, but I also really appreciate the little details in both the song and Szin's animatic. 0:24 The piano notes here are a recurring theme for Angelica, first introduced in the Schuyler Sisters during her interaction with Burr, but more prominent here. Somehow expresses different emotions with variations on the same basic pattern of notes 1:37 I love how the word "tripping" here is sung with a rhythm that feels like it's tripping, that anticipation and delay in the middle of the word 4:06 The animatic has written "cha cha real smooth" idk why but I find this hilarious 4:12 "I know my sister like I know my own mind" this is my favorite part, when Angelica turns her passion up even further singing how much she cares about her sister Eliza 4:16, 10:00 I love how the animatic switches between different colors and styles to show their actual emotional states contrasted with the faces they put on to perform for others, it makes those emotions feel so much more powerful even while it makes me sad I still love it 10:41 "Never be satisfied" is not just a one-off line. "How right is she?" Idk this musical-idea will return in a couple different forms in the rest of the musical, changing to show contrast between then and now, contrasting emotional contexts in much the same way that this song and the previous one contrasted emotional contexts between Eliza's point of view and Angelica's point of view
Re:Angelica theme-- actually the notes of Angelica's theme are NOT repeated here (as they *are* in 'Take a Break', and the Finale), and I have always wondered why...
@@StoryMing which notes of which Angelica theme do you mean? I was thinking about the ascending and descending minor-pentatonic piano runs, but there are prolly multiple things going on
I greatly appreciate the way you track the lyrical and musical themes across songs. Not an easy task, giving the long delays between listens. Nice analysis all around.
I have to say, so far I am immensely enjoying your reactions to these videos. You unpack all the nuances of each piece with such sensitivity that I'm noticing things about both the animatics and the lyrics of each song that I never did before. I almost can't believe you've never heard these songs before. Also, how are you able to remember the lyrics after hearing them only once? You are amazing! Thanks for sharing your reactions with us. :)
Since you were wondering, what actually happened was there we’re 15 schuyler kids, only 8 lived till adulthood. Several were boys so Angelica didn’t actually have to be the one to socially climb. She was already married when they met Hamilton so she still couldn’t be with him even if she wanted to. I’m pretty sure there really were feelings there but for different reasons she couldn’t be with him
In case you're wondering about some details thrown in with John Laurens (like how he looks kind of sad during this song), there is strong historical evidence to suggest that he and Hamilton were lovers. No one knows for sure, but their letters were extremely flirtatious, and they were incredibly close.
Last time I commented about my love and appreciate for Eliza. Today’s about darling Angelica. Loyal, selfless, loving Angelica. We don’t deserve her either
I'm glad you liked this song!! it's certainly one of the fan favorites, for a good reason of course. There's a lot of fantastic songs still to come! :) once again not sure how far in advance you've recorded these, but I hope that you record/recorded the next two songs (the story of tonight reprise and wait for it) together. the first is shorter and leads into the second one.
The brilliance here is in Lin’s subtle use of words with a double meaning... to your union... of Alexander & Eliza AND the colonies... satisfied again referring to both marriage & the colonies journey to independence. Brilliant.
Found this after watching your Disney+ Hamilton Reacts and I love this! These animatics were the first way I got into hamilton as well! And this video in particular is amazing because you reminded me that Angelica saw Alexander for who he really was. In your Helpless video you talked about how Eliza depicts him in this romantic, perfect way but in reality he was all those things Angelica said: a playboy, looking for a rich wife, etc. and she still loved him despite all that. I think that's what makes this song so powerful and sad, its that they are perfect for each other but because she recognizes that, she knows she can never have him. Ugh, gut-punch. Love this song and your react, amazing job.
It did not happen. In fact, Angelica was married by the time Alexander and Eliza got married, she met him for the very first time at their wedding. They did have an intellectual and flirtatious relationship, but it's widely believed my most historians to have not gone farther than that. Angelica loved her husband; as a matter of fact, she eloped with him because of her father's disapproval. She actually had several younger brothers who survived infancy so the 'My father has no sons, so I'm the one who has to social climb for one' is not just creative license on LMM's part - he admitted that when he wrote the song he'd forgotten about the brothers, lol. And yes, Angelica Schuyler did say to her sister in a letter "If you were as generous as the Romans were you would let me borrow him", but this again is widely believed to just be a joke. I can't imagine that they did have an affair considering Angelica lived in London and Alexander in New York and Philadelphia for the majority of the 80s and 90s, if they did it was intellectual at best in my opinion. A fantastic song, but not historically accurate thankfully! Eliza's story is hard enough to read about without adding in getting cheated on by her husband with her sister into the mix.
Yeah, I think I recall Lin saying he added that in for a bit of drama. I think he probably made it up to be more than it was because of the whole joke flirtation stuff that went on between Angelica and Ham, and again, d r a m a. Lol.
`The rewind effect in the show is nothing short of incredible. The staging and choreography in this show are as impressive as the songwriting and performances, and that's saying a LOT.
This song is good and has the same emotional effect as the end of Casablanca. The idea that love does not conquer all and that there are other considerations that mean you don’t follow your heart. Tragic goodness. This animatic is as close to perfectly expressing this song as you can outside of the musical.
Angelica recognizes Alex's ambitious, restless nature. "He will never be satisfied" *because* he is WIRED that way-- always reaching for More. And it gets him into trouble, as you must have found out by this time. --By the way. Have I mentioned, it's kind of low-key amazing you can remember and quote back that much of a song, after just one listen?
I loved your reaction! Not just how much you liked it, but how you went step by step and told your opinions on it. I normally don't like reaction channels because it's just a reaction and then over. But you went over your thoughts and what you interpret of it, and that's really neat. Can't wait to binge watch your videos. I just watched Hamilton for the firs time (on disney plus) yesterday and it was fantastic.
Let me repeat myself from the last one. "We moved on from that" xD This is emotional AF based on the song itself but watching the animation adds a layer that makes my eyes feel hot and start sweating
Historically Angelica was actually already married and the Schuyler sisters had three brothers John Bradstreet Schuyler, Philip Jeremiah Schuyler and Rensselaer Schuyler (named for his mother) oh and their were actually five sisters the other two being Cornelia Schuyler Morton and Catherine Schuyler Malcolm Cochran. So historically this song is full of holes but it is a dramatic retelling and a damn fine one!
It did happen in real life. Angelica fell in love with Alexander first so she was genuinely upset. They continued to send eachother letters throughout Hamiltons marriage.
mandy Silv You might have read the letters that they wrote to each other but they never met first. Angelica was already married with a second child on the way when she met Alexander for the first time. She met him when Eliza introduced him to her family. Those letters might have been flirty but that doesn’t mean they were in love with each other. Alexander wrote letters like that to other male/female friends to.
The good news is, Angelica was already married by the time Ham came on the scene, but they did have a ver very close relationship, and there’s always rumours 😉
Hey Eric even if it's just you without recording. Give the youtube channel "Working with Lemons" a try. They have great Hamilton videos like this one for "Satisfied": ua-cam.com/video/RzE-6Y_VGH0/v-deo.html This one is definitely in my top3 Hamilton songs. Now I can't wait for "wait for it". Pun not intended ;-)
"This is depressing as hell"
Oh it gets even MORE depressing don't worry ;u;
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@@ericreacts2 oof TTvTT
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You had me at "and Peggy!"
So, as far as we know, nothing ever happened with Angelica and Alexander.
They had a flirty-ish relationship (at least a very joking one) and would send letters to each other and such. She was pretty much the wise older sister and he would talk to her about politics and things since she was an intelligent woman.
She did jokingly ask if she could borrow him once I believe, in a letter to Eliza, but it does just seem like sisterly banter.
Exact quote, "if you were as generous as the old Romans, you would lend him to me for a little while."
If anything, I've heard them being described as almost the same person, like in the song, they matched wit and had similar political views and things so they got along well.
Angelica actually lived in Europe for a good chunk of time, so there was very little evidence that the two had anything but a very affectionate friendship.
The rumors were there, though.
In reality, Angelica had already gone off and eloped with her husband, by the time Alex and Eliza got hitched, so yeah.
Oh, and their father did have sons, so yeah.
(Alex and Eliza also named their first daughter after her)
This song is great though and I think it works pretty well in the musical.
Yikes this is long :p
But I hope it's helpful to someone!
Holy I was ur 300th like :o
An "And Peggy" joke.
Congratulations. You are now an official fan.
“How right is she?” Well, you'll just have to watch the rest of the play to find out.
Angelica and Alexander had a flirty relationship and she jokingly suggested that Eliza should let her "borrow" him in a letter.
haha oh Angelica :P
UA-cam is glitching out. It says this comment was made a week ago but the date says this video was just posted today on April 13th. Wtf lo.
@@xXxJason_ToddxXx Early access for people on patreon. The video is unlisted but shareable until I publish it
@@ericreacts2 Ahh, that makes more sense!
One of the things I really love about the live performances of Helpless and Satisfied is you can see the movements of the other song in the background. Someone made a comparison here on UA-cam that shows that pretty nicely. For example you can see Alexander and Angelica dance/talk with each other during Helpless just like in Satisfied etc.
And Szin's animatic does a good job of portraying that too.
For instance, Angelica's dab...
This song evokes the strongest emotional journey yet, at least so far in the musical, but I also really appreciate the little details in both the song and Szin's animatic.
0:24 The piano notes here are a recurring theme for Angelica, first introduced in the Schuyler Sisters during her interaction with Burr, but more prominent here. Somehow expresses different emotions with variations on the same basic pattern of notes
1:37 I love how the word "tripping" here is sung with a rhythm that feels like it's tripping, that anticipation and delay in the middle of the word
4:06 The animatic has written "cha cha real smooth" idk why but I find this hilarious
4:12 "I know my sister like I know my own mind" this is my favorite part, when Angelica turns her passion up even further singing how much she cares about her sister Eliza
4:16, 10:00 I love how the animatic switches between different colors and styles to show their actual emotional states contrasted with the faces they put on to perform for others, it makes those emotions feel so much more powerful even while it makes me sad I still love it
10:41 "Never be satisfied" is not just a one-off line. "How right is she?" Idk this musical-idea will return in a couple different forms in the rest of the musical, changing to show contrast between then and now, contrasting emotional contexts in much the same way that this song and the previous one contrasted emotional contexts between Eliza's point of view and Angelica's point of view
Re:Angelica theme-- actually the notes of Angelica's theme are NOT repeated here (as they *are* in 'Take a Break', and the Finale), and I have always wondered why...
@@StoryMing which notes of which Angelica theme do you mean? I was thinking about the ascending and descending minor-pentatonic piano runs, but there are prolly multiple things going on
I greatly appreciate the way you track the lyrical and musical themes across songs. Not an easy task, giving the long delays between listens. Nice analysis all around.
I have to say, so far I am immensely enjoying your reactions to these videos. You unpack all the nuances of each piece with such sensitivity that I'm noticing things about both the animatics and the lyrics of each song that I never did before. I almost can't believe you've never heard these songs before. Also, how are you able to remember the lyrics after hearing them only once? You are amazing! Thanks for sharing your reactions with us. :)
Since you were wondering, what actually happened was there we’re 15 schuyler kids, only 8 lived till adulthood. Several were boys so Angelica didn’t actually have to be the one to socially climb. She was already married when they met Hamilton so she still couldn’t be with him even if she wanted to. I’m pretty sure there really were feelings there but for different reasons she couldn’t be with him
In case you're wondering about some details thrown in with John Laurens (like how he looks kind of sad during this song), there is strong historical evidence to suggest that he and Hamilton were lovers. No one knows for sure, but their letters were extremely flirtatious, and they were incredibly close.
Last time I commented about my love and appreciate for Eliza. Today’s about darling Angelica. Loyal, selfless, loving Angelica. We don’t deserve her either
Just watching your facial expressions change so suddenly and so sincerely is the best part of the video.
The helpless part always gives me chills.
I'm glad you liked this song!! it's certainly one of the fan favorites, for a good reason of course. There's a lot of fantastic songs still to come! :)
once again not sure how far in advance you've recorded these, but I hope that you record/recorded the next two songs (the story of tonight reprise and wait for it) together. the first is shorter and leads into the second one.
Kiwi yes, good looking out! Please do the next two together or back to back!
The brilliance here is in Lin’s subtle use of words with a double meaning... to your union... of Alexander & Eliza AND the colonies... satisfied again referring to both marriage & the colonies journey to independence. Brilliant.
Found this after watching your Disney+ Hamilton Reacts and I love this! These animatics were the first way I got into hamilton as well! And this video in particular is amazing because you reminded me that Angelica saw Alexander for who he really was. In your Helpless video you talked about how Eliza depicts him in this romantic, perfect way but in reality he was all those things Angelica said: a playboy, looking for a rich wife, etc. and she still loved him despite all that. I think that's what makes this song so powerful and sad, its that they are perfect for each other but because she recognizes that, she knows she can never have him. Ugh, gut-punch. Love this song and your react, amazing job.
U looked like u wanted to cry I cry every time I watch this it’s like heart aching like u can feel her pain
When people react to this they are always smiling at the toast and you KNOW their gonna be depressed and surprised soon and I love it
English isn't my native language, but I wanted to say how much I appreciate your reactions. It's nice to see someone who enjoys musical as well ❤️
It did not happen. In fact, Angelica was married by the time Alexander and Eliza got married, she met him for the very first time at their wedding. They did have an intellectual and flirtatious relationship, but it's widely believed my most historians to have not gone farther than that. Angelica loved her husband; as a matter of fact, she eloped with him because of her father's disapproval. She actually had several younger brothers who survived infancy so the 'My father has no sons, so I'm the one who has to social climb for one' is not just creative license on LMM's part - he admitted that when he wrote the song he'd forgotten about the brothers, lol.
And yes, Angelica Schuyler did say to her sister in a letter "If you were as generous as the Romans were you would let me borrow him", but this again is widely believed to just be a joke.
I can't imagine that they did have an affair considering Angelica lived in London and Alexander in New York and Philadelphia for the majority of the 80s and 90s, if they did it was intellectual at best in my opinion.
A fantastic song, but not historically accurate thankfully! Eliza's story is hard enough to read about without adding in getting cheated on by her husband with her sister into the mix.
Yeah, I think I recall Lin saying he added that in for a bit of drama. I think he probably made it up to be more than it was because of the whole joke flirtation stuff that went on between Angelica and Ham, and again, d r a m a. Lol.
`The rewind effect in the show is nothing short of incredible. The staging and choreography in this show are as impressive as the songwriting and performances, and that's saying a LOT.
There are so many god-tier songs to come: Wait for it, which comes very soon, Yorktown, Non-Stop, Say no to this, Hurricane... there is so many.
This song is good and has the same emotional effect as the end of Casablanca. The idea that love does not conquer all and that there are other considerations that mean you don’t follow your heart. Tragic goodness. This animatic is as close to perfectly expressing this song as you can outside of the musical.
Angelica recognizes Alex's ambitious, restless nature. "He will never be satisfied" *because* he is WIRED that way-- always reaching for More. And it gets him into trouble, as you must have found out by this time.
--By the way. Have I mentioned, it's kind of low-key amazing you can remember and quote back that much of a song, after just one listen?
just started watching these Hamilton reactions! already caught up, ugh I'm so excited for the rest.
I loved your reaction! Not just how much you liked it, but how you went step by step and told your opinions on it. I normally don't like reaction channels because it's just a reaction and then over. But you went over your thoughts and what you interpret of it, and that's really neat. Can't wait to binge watch your videos. I just watched Hamilton for the firs time (on disney plus) yesterday and it was fantastic.
When making this Lin forgot about the sons so they did have brothers
Every time I watch satisfied I feel so bad. But I keep watching it. 😍😩
The live play has better choreography but the animations convey the emotions of the characters better.
Let me repeat myself from the last one. "We moved on from that" xD
This is emotional AF based on the song itself but watching the animation adds a layer that makes my eyes feel hot and start sweating
And then there's the stage performance with the live actors...
Dis manz boutta cry. I feel you 😫everytime I hear this song it makes me want a big sister like that 💕💕
Historically Angelica was actually already married and the Schuyler sisters had three brothers John Bradstreet Schuyler, Philip Jeremiah Schuyler and Rensselaer Schuyler (named for his mother) oh and their were actually five sisters the other two being Cornelia Schuyler Morton and Catherine Schuyler Malcolm Cochran. So historically this song is full of holes but it is a dramatic retelling and a damn fine one!
The rymes are fire.
FUN FACT: Angelica was already married when she met Alexander
1:02 Almost no one I've seen reacting noticed this and I'm like "mmmmmmm, eeeeeeee.".
It did happen in real life. Angelica fell in love with Alexander first so she was genuinely upset. They continued to send eachother letters throughout Hamiltons marriage.
If you’ve read history you would know that’s not true.
@@stephanieflores9 it its tho.... I've read the letters they wrote to eachother but okay...
mandy Silv You might have read the letters that they wrote to each other but they never met first. Angelica was already married with a second child on the way when she met Alexander for the first time. She met him when Eliza introduced him to her family. Those letters might have been flirty but that doesn’t mean they were in love with each other. Alexander wrote letters like that to other male/female friends to.
It's always break my heart 💔
That is exactly myface!! i was like okay well i want to fall over right now!
Damn these reactions are so good, I hate waiting a whole week for the next on XD
Just stumbled on your video and I am gonna go HUNT down your video reacting to Burn! Please please let there be one!
The next one will be the reprise of The story of tonight. From really sad to....well, just a bunch of lads being lads.
Whether this is true to history or not, it's one of the most complex songs in the play, emotionally and musically.
The Working with Lemons live video cover is fantastic! Check it out when you have the time
👍 The first thing I asked my sister after she watched the show on Disney+ I asked her "so how about the musical masterpiece that is Satisfied?"
Watch who lives, who dies, who tells your story!
Your reactions are so amazing to see! Subscribing right away 😀😊
I love your Hamilton reactions so much!
Eric there’s a million things you haven’t seen. Just you wait! Just you wait!!!
I don’t know if it’s the song or the animation, but I always tear up
If you wish, you can test and find out by listening to just the cd, and also watching the live performance...
@@StoryMing I have. And it’s both.😭
The good news is, Angelica was already married by the time Ham came on the scene, but they did have a ver very close relationship, and there’s always rumours 😉
Only 7 left till 'Guns and Ships'!
This is a deep pain... Oh cool it gets worse!
im crying irl
YES I BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE
These sappy illustrations can't compare to the look on Anglica's face as she sings...
AND PEGGY
Well this is just the 11th song and by now there are 3 people that loved Hamilton, but just you wait...
4 if you can count the fatherly love Washington seems to have for him.
Hey Eric even if it's just you without recording. Give the youtube channel "Working with Lemons" a try. They have great Hamilton videos like this one for "Satisfied": ua-cam.com/video/RzE-6Y_VGH0/v-deo.html
This one is definitely in my top3 Hamilton songs. Now I can't wait for "wait for it". Pun not intended ;-)
Please react to Grofflin!!!
I love that ship!