Lionel Messi offside goal controversy | Argentina’s 3rd goal | Argentina v France, World Cup final
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- Argentina: Martínez; Molina, Romero, Otamendi, Acuña; Di María, De Paul, Fernández, Mac Allister; Messi, Álvarez.
France: Lloris (c); Kounde, Varane, Upamecano, Hernandez; Tchouameni, Rabiot; Dembele, Griezmann, Mbappe; Giroud.
Argentina have been crowned champions of the 2022 FIFA World Cup, and Lionel Messi was named the best player of the tournament as he won the Golden Ball. Enzo Fernandez won best young player, Emiliano Martinez won best goal keeper, and hattrick hero in the final Kylian Mbappe won the Golden Boot.
Was Lionel Messi offside in the build up for Argentina’s 3rd goal v France in the FIFA World Cup final? CONTROVERSY
Many people believe that there were many unfair calls favoring Argentina, particularly soft penalty calls, which helped them score the goals they needed to in order to win the World Cup.
Argentina won penalties in 71% of their games, 5/7. They were awarded penalties v Netherlands in the QF, Croatia in the SF, and France in the final.
Many believe Messi should have been sent off in the QF, along with Parades.
Fans across the board are saying the World Cup was rigged for Argentina. What do you guys think? Regardless, Messi has his hands on the prize he wanted most - the World Cup.
It doesn’t matter that the ball wasn’t passed directly to Messi. Messi was still apart of the play and interfered with the play as he drew a defender away from him who could’ve stopped L Martinez. The incident with Vinicius/Richarlison is very similar to this
It's called a passive offside turning active.
If the player offside is not involved in the following play to the goal - is a passive offside, and it is allowed.
As you showed very well, this was not the case. Messi was offside.
I would also take a look at how the editing was done live to avoid showing us what happened.
fifa cheated
@@oriomssi typical fifa rigging the game ,france knows hewas offside
@Joe Young there is no next phase, if they didn't lose the ball it's the same phase.
Keep crying Ronaldo fanboys your man is finished
You can be offside all you want as long as you don't interfere with the play. Yes Messi was offside but the pass was not made to him but to Martinez, which means Messi didn't interfere with the play. After the pass to Martinez, Messi was no longer offside as everyone can see and he could receive the ball. The ref was correct here.
Thank you so much, I hate people keep on saying "argentina was rigged"
@@soccerisincredible the guy who posted this video doesn't understand the offside rule, and I looks like many people on the comment section don't either.
he interfered with play because he ran forward acting like hes making a run
@@wingedhussar1453 he didn't run towards the ball nor did the ball come to him while in an offside position. You can make all the runs you want in an offside position, just do touch the ball and don't obstruct the goalkeeper's view of the ball
@@tshepokejeleng1753 doesnt matter he interfered play because defender ran after him
Messi was in a offside position but the pass wasn’t for him but for his teammate once his teammate got the ball Messi actually interfered with the play and he was onside by that point and if y’all gonna say we’ll his movement made the defender move and go towards him afffecting the play you’re wrong because by that logica all the players were running hence making the defenders react and make them defend because that’s how football works and if you’re saying that the substitute were on the pitch they only came one after the ball crossed the line France also got 2 penalty calls the first one because quite strange because for Frances first penalty the Argentinen defender had his hand on his shoulder and the French forward leaped forward Frances second penalty was correct but harsh considering the fact that moving you arm to your face to protect is natural instinct so this final was not bias and at this point all of you Messi hates are getting real desperate
But he still disrupted play by drawing defenders behind him
never mind... after he was offside, every his tough with ball is over..
@@tayloryoung9803 that’s the defenders choice to go towards him
@@tayloryoung9803 And I’m not sure making a defender go towards you when your offside really matters but if I’m wrong can you explain how and tell a law that’s says it’s wrong
@@tayloryoung9803 You can be at any offside position as long as you don't played the ball or the ball wasn't passed to you and you just did nothing. In Messi situation, the france defender was the one who decided following him so there is NO interfering from Messi because it was the france defender choices. As a rebounded ball from the france goalkeeper few of france defenders had already returned earlier into their base ahead of messi and martinezz so messi or even martinez didn't gained any offisde advantages.
Bruh, he said messi was offside. Then, said he passed the ball to martinez 💀
You don’t understand the rules, do you?
@@hattrickvideos15 yeah, tell me your made up rule 😆
@@SaMuRai-oh5td Messi interfered with the play
are u dumb or something, he cleary explained the whole reason to why messi was offside in the build up of the 3rd goal for Argentina. Probably should pay more attention into watching the video
@@gilbertogv_2249but the ball was fit the other guy not Messi . So how’s it offside… he didn’t interfere .. so he should just stand there still?
This is just getting a little silly…
Under section 2 of law 11 (the offside law), the rule book states that to be called for offside, the player must either interfere with play by touching the ball, prevent an opponent from playing the ball by obstructing their vision, challenge an opponent for the ball, or attempt to play the ball in a manner which affects play. Messi did none of these. “Drawing the defender away” is not among the offside offenses. Also, Richarlison clearly both challenged an opponent, attempted to play the ball, and possibly even touched the ball in the Brazil Switzerland game. They are completely different situations and are not at all similar.
Once again, please inform yourself of the rules before making these clearly bias claims.
And again, another ‘expert’ leaves out the wording ‘gaining and advantage’ after being offside.
@@jamesmackinnon7727 “Gaining an advantage” is not mentioned in the rule book the same way people think it is. In the rules, it states that you can only gain an advantage by playing the ball OR interfering with an opponent. And drawing away a defender is not listed as interfering with an opponent. Referees do not get to determine what they think gaining an advantage is or not: that is already decided by the rule book, and Messi did not commit any offenses listed in the rules.
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Messi had no direct affect on the play when he was offsides. He had a direct affect on the play later when was onside. This is why the goal is allowed. While with Vini jr's goal Richarlison was offsides and he had a direct effect on the play when he was offsides that is why the goal was disallowed.
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True I don't like how others are considering this match to be rigged.
Bro thank you
Couldn’t have explained it better.
@@hhhhhh5282 di Maria penalty given y not thuram. Also refree stop many counter attack and not shown a single card for many fouls.
Cry more
Cry louder
You are wrong. You cannot jut draw a red line with an arbitrary angle you think corrects for the perspective in the picture. Even if you compare your red line with the white line visible on the right, the angles do not match. Anyway this was checked by VAR and I believe they have better angles to compare.
I don't think you really understand the point being made here. Noone needs a line to see that Messi is in an offside position before the first pass is made. And then he proceeds to run at the ball, diverting a defender's attention, which should be considered active play.
A player can be offside and then onside within the same phase of play, this is how dummy runs and overlaps work. If a defender is simply drawn to an offside player, that doesn't count as interfering. However if that attacker is challenging for the ball or space then it will be seen as interfering with play
WRONG!!! In copa America 2021 final match, Rcharlison was onside but previously another forward was offside and participated in the play, though he got inside later on, the gol was correctly disallowed. This world cup was clearly fixed for Argentina. Admit it
@@josuedelaguilarios2387 you've clearly never played football properly if that's what you're using as an argument
@@josuedelaguilarios2387 😢😂
Ronaldo Fans getting salty…I love it😂😂😂😂
@@josuedelaguilarios2387 In copa america 2021 Richarlison himself was offside and it was himself who recieved the ball
Well Mbappe second penalty should've been non existent cause before the handball of Montiel, the ball hit the hand of one of the french players first
There was no offside, cope harder fanboy
keep riding messi lil fanboy hes just showing the facts
@@kanyeeast1909 he's just inhaling copium cause he cannot get over argentina winning lmao, cry more
This angle is Not the correct
Completely fake. Ball went to Lautaro. He ran forward with it and Messi came onside. Then he passed to Messi.
Richarlison was given offside coz he tried to tackle the person who had the ball after coming running in from an offside position . See here :
ua-cam.com/users/shorts6WH7PvaByAg?feature=share
Messi is runnning straight at the ball after it's passed, diverting a defender's attention. That is called active play.
@@lv56465 did messi try to tackle anybody?
@@devnull1013 it's not even in the rules
Cope. Stop crying, its over. ⭐⭐⭐
Ur taking about Richalson goal... The pass came to Richalson and he directly impacted play where he impacted the defender in the goal... Here the pass came to lautaro and messi didn't directly impact play... Please find a better example and show it...
This guy must be drunk . They just mad about messi.
Simplest way: richarleson passed the ball while offside in the buildup, while Messi didn’t touch the ball. Lautaro touched the ball, in the meantime Messi was onside. Correct call for Argentina.
Went to see Richardson's goal.
Not the same. The pass goes DIRECTLY to Richardson and he actually MAKES contact with the ball, passes to a team mate and runs for the score.
He didn’t make contact with the ball. He just obstructed play, just like Messi did.
@hattrickvideos15 no he didnt Richardson touch the ball and challenge the defend it called offside you American doesn't know football
@@hattrickvideos15 messi wasn't even obstructing play
@@hattrickvideos15 no no no no no, no entiendes, No importa si Richarlison toca o no la pelota, es offside porque el tiene la intención de jugar el balón
Messi was legit .. No offside
Bruh
Winner celebrated 😂
Loser will always find a mistake 😂
Learn what offside is first. Then consider making yt videos about it.
Richarlison made a run to try and play the ball, it's crystal clear, it's obvious you don't understand what passive play is in football.
Although in this case Richarlison didn't benefit that much from the offside position, but it's still offside.
Its not offside..
Ikr,he is clown 🤡
Ikr ,he is clown 🤡
These French fans still be going 😂😂😂
Wrong. The pass was NOT to messi. The player that was onside, collected the ball, thus resetting Messi in an onside position.
Doesn’t matter, read the rules at 1:13. Learn the rules, multiple goals have been disallowed due to the same reason at this WC.
@@hattrickvideos15 ok you now more than refree 😂😂😂😂
Please file a case on Messi. For frauding
@@hattrickvideos15 😴😴😴
@@hattrickvideos15 go watch crikit its better or rugby he said doesnt matter hahaha its matter the pass wasnt to messi nd messi didnt act in the situation so he is out of the game
@@hattrickvideos15 Haha. You don't know the rules... I watched most of WC matches, I never seen a goal been disallowed because of that. Tell me exactly in which match such a thing happen ??
Messi was in an offside position, but the pass is not his, and he didn't interfered with any gameplay until the next seconds when he was onside again then he got the pass. The Goal is legal, and Messi is the GOAT since season 2011/2012 though
100% correct analysis.
If his teammate hasn't received the ball yet, and he sprints towards the ball making a defender react to that, he is already part of active play whether he touched the ball or not.
@@devnull1013 by ur logic, all of them are involved in active play. France literally won the last wc by making the same runs that Messi made.
That’s completely true but u can’t judge this from just photos as this video shows u need the full clip
It is offside. Within the next second he is involved.....
Remember also Griezman's disallowed goal against Tunisia. This kind of situation needs to be adressed by FIFA so that it will be refereed consistently in the future.
Shoulder was on it can be scored by top part of the arm
The offside of Griezmann it is a different situation. He was in the same site where the ball is played
the whole world cup should be vacated because this is awful.
And the blatant shove in the back during the England game by Luke Shaw on Olivier Giroud that they don't seem to want to playback the footage of anywhere... Hm hmm, definitely an agenda going on at the World Cup and it was all about Lionel Messi lifting the World Cup before he retires
@@A_Pt_9298 same with argentina vs poland ,messi gets a penalty for soft challenge from goalkeeper . they only showed one angle where you couldnt see goalkeeper touch the ball in var replay so they gave argentina the penalty.
Did you see the handball from upamecano before the penalty against argentina??
Check from other angle it isnt really handball , same case happened with japan their ball was considered to went out and then they scored but from the diff camera angle the case was different, not the Argentina players went to refree for it 💀
@@skeletonzindabad5367 It waws a handball , japan case was different , if you touch with hand there is no different angle involved.
clear handball
It snatched golden boot from messi and led mbappe a hattrick
@@adarshray8089 exactly
Messi wasn’t interfering. Stating otherwise refers to having poor knowledge of football. If a goal like this gets cancelled it is against the rules. Furthermore, he went back and after that it was a different episode. Ask any referee. It is 100% goal
yeah but he was offside and he made an impact on the defender, therefore should have been called offside
How did he not interfere? He received the ball and passed it to another player in about 4 seconds after we was on the offside. Also he scored goal in the same action. And he didnt went back, only was moving forward.
@@kamilgrzeszczak3330 exactly. 10000% offside.
@@kamilgrzeszczak3330 ua-cam.com/video/utCuGCwrKJw/v-deo.html
@@ssuraj2354 suraj my dear indian brother please stick to hockey or cricket
No offside,Mesi wasn't involved in the first pass,he was moving away from the play. When Martinez played ball, Messi was onside.
Per law it is an offside. Messi makes a move towards the ball and his movement draws an extra defender. Add the fact the ball was a botched ball for him and you can argue he affects play enough for the ref to call it. Tough call though.
He is literally offside when the ball is played over the top and a defender is drawn across to mark him. Martinez backheels it to Messi and he becomes active. The entire passage of play leads to a goal. I'm sorry but respectfully disagree.
@Nigel Burgin he is moving away from the play, and his pass is going inside he is moving outside, and the defender makes a choice to follow him instead of ball,the fact is by the time Martinez got the ball Messi.is onside,this is when he became acitve in that play.
Botched pass or not,ball wasn't received by Messi regardless of whether it was meant for him or not. It is a clear situation. There was no need for var, they checked var for the last pass to Martinez since the ref wave his flag. We can talk about weak penalties given for Argentina throughout the whole tournament, but not this offside.
@@kdenis2344 its just new rule,i have watched many games stopped for this
@@nigelburgin8396 ua-cam.com/video/u51dp3q3_N0/v-deo.html What's your view?
After watching this video , I have a reason to believe that Messi did get preferential treatment
Bro he didn’t
France got given 2 penalties
@@namedclaiming821 But crucially they were only given the 2nd penalty when they were losing not when they had the chance to win.
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If u dont know the rules dont talk bullshit. Its a new situation when martinez passed the ball to messi and there he was not offside
This is a normal run in the depth which happens in every game. Clearly no offside. Learn the rules or watch football.
it was on side
lol.full of penaldo fans
Someone post the full offside rule and point out the actual offense
ua-cam.com/video/u51dp3q3_N0/v-deo.html
Law 11: Being in an offside position is not an offence in itself, but a player so positioned when the ball is played by a teammate can be judged guilty of an offside offence if they receive the ball or will otherwise become "involved in active play", will "interfere with an opponent", or will "gain an advantage" by being in that position. Messi definitely fell under the above infraction of being involved in active play. The other two could be ‘interpreted’ away by his apologists, but they cannot get out of it that he didn’t get involved in active play.
@@jamesmackinnon7727 Good, though I need an actual fa offside rule, not an interpretation of rule.
"2. Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
• interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
• interfering with an opponent by:
• preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
• challenging an opponent for the ball or clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
• making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
or
• gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
• rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar, match official or an opponent
• been deliberately saved by any opponent"
I guess the problem in interpretation is in timeframe - whether he has to be in active play in the moment of the pass, or if it could be also in action following the pass.
In my opinion second option is correct, since the wording is “penalised on becoming involved in active play”. Also it is not possible to do things which are mentioned later in paragraph (playing the ball, which was rebounded, etc.), only in exact second of the pass (since in the exact second of the pass the player doesn’t even have the ball), so clearly seconds following the pass should also count. And Messi received the ball in like 4 seconds after he was on the offside position.
@@jamesmackinnon7727 wrong interpretation. Montiel passes the ball to Martinez. Messi is in an offside position but does not make a move towards the ball and thus not interfering with the gameplay. When Martinez gets the ball a new episode starts. Whatever position Messi was before that does not count anymore as long as he is not offside again when Martinez plays him the ball. It's not a difficult rule to understand.
BS post
Bro don't you know there is separate rule book for messi according to that rule book if aregentina score goal and messi was in offside position then it is goal no question
Cry more boot
This is true mohammad
@@gogoiaxomia1426 36 years of crying and got controversial cup 🤣😂
@Masheengun what?? Penal tina won with controversy and that's fact.
cry baby🤣🤣
Terrible, I saw it right away yesterday. VAR should have done something. Nobody spoke about it on the Dutch tv..
Maybe because they know the basic laws of the game and it wasnt worth discussing
Ahahahah you don’t know the rules ahahah , there is offside only if a player recive a pass when he is behind the defender MESSI DOESN’T RECEIVE A PASS WHEN HE IS OFFSIDE” he recive the pass by lautaro when he his onside.
The fact is that you don’t know the rules, you are probably not europian or south american
nobody talks about it because it is not offside, to be offside you must participate in the move, people ho knows about football soccer knows that, obviously not your case.
Never a bad take from a libertarian keep it going 💪
Exactly man this might’ve never seen that Ronaldo hat trick in 2018 wc, his second Ronaldo was on offside position but referee never gave it because the pass intended for another Portuguese player. Literally if they can take their miserable 5 minutes of their lives & look it up.
@@classonbread5757 In Argentina there is a strong libertarian movement in progress
@@GuilleArgies Really? Wow. I thought most of south America rejected that stuff. Except Chile.
@@classonbread5757 Is new, Chile is more conservative. Argentina since 10 years it started a strong libertarian movement, there is a politic called Javier Milei (this year will be candidate for president elections) i recommended to search more about him in google. Is the most important liberarian in all latin america and Spain.
This video: ua-cam.com/video/hBN4J8VVt58/v-deo.html
Makes it completely clear that there's no offside:
1) The pass from Montiel is clearly not directed at Messi who was at that time in an off-side position. So much so that Messi gives his back to the ball and continues without looking at it, knowing it goes to Lautaro.
2) Messi has no intention to play the ball, nor obstruct any opponent from doing so, the french player closest to Messi has no possibility to play the ball, so he can't possibly be interfered with or his vision obstructed because he's not even part of that play.
3) When Lautaro gets the ball, the previous off-side position of Messi is cleared because a new play has started, for the sake of the off-side rule, and Montiel's pass play is finished.
More over, even when this is irrelevant for the law, Messi is even behind the ball since before Lautaro gets the pass, and then Lautaro makes a backwards pass to Messi, so it makes it even more obvious that there's no off-side offense.
This is strictly about the literal text of the law. Having said that, referees NEVER apply all laws 100%, this is not a court of law in a criminal case, it's a game, and has been like this for ever.
Even when there's an interference with the play by the player that's in an offside position, a referee will take into account if the play is clearly directed towards the goal, if the attacking player is about to kick at the goal, how close to the goal line they are, and many factors. Even if Messi blocked the french defensor's vision towards the ball a referee would hardly consider it for an off-side offense, when the play was far from the goal and not even close to the penalty box.
Or this goal should have been cancelled for that exact reason (a player offside at the building of an action leading to a goal and participating to this action)
Or several cancelled goals of this world cup should have not been cancelled.
Pick up what you prefer... but about fair game, it would be too easy to let a player offside all time, waiting that not offside players come closer, and then one step back and it can participate to the goal. That would not be fair and it is exactly why this rule exists.
@@paz_y_amor_cabrones4233 Have you not read my extensive comment?
@@paz_y_amor_cabrones4233 are you done crying?
@@noone6953 when did i start crying ? If you want to write things, at least give arguments and elaborated ideas.
richarlison pressed the ball, messi didn't interfere in the buildup
He drew a defender away which is interfering
@@hattrickvideos15 no, interfering is going towards the ball.
You’re wrong. It’s very simple. Read law 11 for offside offense. When the ball is played, although he is in an offside position, he does not touch, attempt to touch, attempt to win, or get involved in that immediate play. When the second ball is played he is NOT in an offside position. It’s very simple.
I will say though you could easily argue France’s first pk was NOT a pk. An obvious foul of course, but he started pulling on him outside the box which is actually where the foul then started.
He pulled upamecano out of the play.
@@brayancamargo2048 indirectly by upamecano following him. He didn’t have have to follow. That’s not part of the offside rule. Sorry. Seems like a lot of people in these comments have never played, and definitely not at a high level.
If that was part of the rule then anyone standing just in the corner in an offside position would have offsides called on him because someone might be paying attention to him and not the ball.
@@brayancamargo2048 That was Upamecano's choice. You are implying that his mere presence is interference. If that is the case how is a player ever not interfering?
@@Divided_Highway I Literally asked 3 people I know who are refs for top divisions about this call and they all agreed that he indirectly participated in the play. Ask any ref you may know and they’ll tell you the same, if they don’t then they’re most likely referring for some recreational setting
Messi drew the defender towards him.
You make UA-cam videos you try to discredit Argentina and you don't know the rules of football. Embarrassing.
Dude making this video doesnt understand the offside law. Basic stuff. Messi did not get the ball or interfere with play from the initial pass. His position is therefore irrelevant.
He interfered with the play when he started running at the ball before his teammate received it. Making the defenders have to account for your presence is all part of active play.
@@devnull1013 that's not what interfering with play means
@@MrBrownstone1 Yes it is, it is covered under
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball
The moment he runs at the ball while it's still airborne, he's challenging a defender
@@devnull1013 Nonsense. He's not obstructing or challenging anyone before his team mate gets the ball
@@devnull1013 ua-cam.com/video/u51dp3q3_N0/v-deo.html What's your view? 🙄
Thanks to the explanations in the comment section, i won't explain more
CRY HARDER
It would have been offside if the ball was passed to him first instead of Lautaro but as long as its not played to him, he's in an offside position but it doesn't count as offside as the ball was not played to him.
no, that's not the rule. The basic rule you tell is the one my wife understand... the rule we speak about, is made for people who knows football and who knows it would soooo easy if we could let one attack guy offside all the time, waiting that not offside people bring the ball. It is not possible!!! I have seen at least 3 goals in this unique world cup , cancelled because an offsider (who didnt receive the pass on first place) take part in the goal.
I thought people know football better but after seeing the comments idk what the hell did they watch since their childhood... Like he didn't interfere he was offside but he didn't touch nor chase the ball.. all this hypocrite penaldo fans need to shut their mouth y'all are embarassing urself
Mesai was offside but he didnt touch the ball...he touched the ball after he is onside👍👍👍👍
thats not how it works bud.
@@sodeked so the rules are different in club matches and world cup matches right?offside trap is often used in club matches and its legal, then why its illegal when done by Argentina?
@@jarvis0002 Because its Argentina , and Argentina and Messi are good for business .
@@sodeked such a casual by your logic everyone is offside cause there have been in the offside position once
1:00 you took so long because fingers were offside?
*Do hands count on offside?*
_The hands/arms are exempt from the offside, since no advantage can be gained by hand/arm as stated in the handball rules in football._
wow
I didn’t even notice this at first
how did VAR not even check this? 😫 so rigged!!
Wrong. The pass was NOT to messi. The player that was onside, collected the ball, thus resetting Messi in an onside position.
@@THEGREATAFFILIATOR when cricket pan
Watches football for first first time
@@ttmn-ew8tl lmao 🤣
@XPRESS MUSIC The point is that Brazil's goal was disallowed and Argentina's wasn't so VAR is inconsistent.
@@THEGREATAFFILIATOR but this same scenario happened to Brazil in this same tournament but was ruled out. Don't be sentimental bro.
Stupid analysis. Messi wasn't involve in the play. VAR got it right..
Wrong information. Bcoz VAR system know that its legal goal.
For me if that pass was played to messi in the 1st place and due deflection it goes to Martinez then it was offside but ball was played to Martinez who was onside and then he played to messi when messi was onside so I think refree made the right call
And vini jr goal was also correct and harshly disallowed
Bro learn the off side rule if ANY offside player interferes with the play MO MATTER WHAT it is offside
@@Greatestswordsman69 how did messi interfere with the play when he was offside? messi only interfered when he was onside. its a clean play, if u are gonna be biased then don't be biased and stupid. you can go and learn the offside rule, this play has happened a 100 times before and was never offside
@@Greatestswordsman69 ua-cam.com/video/hBN4J8VVt58/v-deo.html watch this vid and tell me its offside, i dare u. the ball was played to lautaro and not to messi so it doesn't matter where messi was on the pitch at that instant.
@@Greatestswordsman69 penaldo fans complaining about offsides when their "goat" won 3 ucls by offside goals
Please learn the rules before posting videos.
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Free penalty for Argentina shows clearly how the world cup is rigged.
@@fightingforce8498 two pen for france to go to pen 10 minutes for dutch to go to extra time
offside counts when the person who receives the ball is offside not the one who receives the ball later ppl with 1 day knowledge of foot know this
It’s bc they hate Argentina. If it was the U.S. no one would say anything. Spain? Nope not them either. Germany? Nope. Argentina? Yup all the hate pours in. At least it wasn’t won on one lame penalty kick like with Germany in 1990. I for one don’t agree w penalty kicks in the final. France got 2 free kicks in the biggest game.
So if we take away France’s 2 gifts and Argentina’s penalty kick and Messi’s 2nd goal it’s 1-1 going into penalty kicks. People act like if Messi didn’t score that goal that France would automatically get the handball. You think the ref will give a handball penalty kick late in extra time if it were 2-2? Hell no! Since it was 3-2 Argentina, they wanted this to end in penalty kicks so they gave France the free kick. Very easy to see.
yeah the line u drew first was not even parallel properly lol stop spreading lies and just accept the fact
these channels just want views
This is not definitive.
First of all. Where did you get this CG, beg pardon Computer Generated graphic from? This was not shown during the broadcast.
The major flaw of VAR is that rather than being used to make correct decisions, it is discretionary and used in limited circumstances...
As for fingers being offside...how can a part of your body that you are not allowed to SCORE with be deemed to be offside? Since FIFA introduced shirt sleeves as handled ball measurements, have you ensured that if I am wearing a XXL shirt that my sleeve is as long as a M sized shirt?
With all that technology, you show offsides with cartoons? They are CG and anybody can GENERATE them...
As for inconsistency...
Ángel di María was tripped from behind albeit by a clumsy almost accidental contact with a defender. PENALTY.
Vs the first French goal which was a jostle between two players...both tugging and entangling their arms. When this happened outside the area, no fouls were given. In fact when the inaccurately deemed GOAT who is barely a sheep, lost possession around the halfline, resulting in Mbappe scoring his first goal, compare the video of the disposession of Messi with the foul for the first French goal.
I have seen David Copperfield make an elephant, Lear Jet and the Statue of Liberty disappear on TV...do you believe everything you see?
It was shown on tv in my part of the world. But completely removed when they did the replays
Even the commentator was confused and said offside
@@threedeafears idk what kinda commentators you heard but in the broadcast i watched, the commentator said "it is onside"
This is the biggest Rigged WC …. Just to please one guy …. Well he was out shown by Mbappe… so much for being bloated by the media as a GOAT …or Lamb should I say
Wtf ur talking abt richarlison passe de ball to vinicuis thats why but messi didnt touch the ball go watch crikit
No bro you're incorrect messi was offside but ball wasn't played to him that's the reason and vinicius goal was different you're talking nonsense.... must me a Ronaldo fan who didn't want messi to win.😂
Messi did not touch the ball though he was in offside position and lautaro Martinez received the pass who was not in offside position . So it's not offside
But how do you explain Brazil's goal being disallowed?
He interfered in the play later and used the offside position to his advantage. Read the official rules.
@@arturo.arreola that referee was mentally ill
@@threedeafears where?
@@threedeafears Dude that was a different position. He already went back. By your logic everyone is offside because everyone has been in offside at some point
First you go & saw the highlights ..... Richarlison himself was offiside then he flicked for vini .... & Here first touch was by lautaro then Messi then it's not offside looks like you don't even follow football & came to make video to earn on hot topics
unlike brazil's goal he had not affected the play as the ball went to lautaro. also mbappe's second pen shouldnt have stood, just saw a video showing konate handling the ball as it fell for mbappe
No it is her head! How can i put the image?
@@jmipraimundo his*
Griezmann's goal against Tunisia was similar. Why was that goal disallowed?
@@anteodedi8937 i cant understand that my self but also germany's fourth goal against costa rica was given for the same incident as messi's goal here. i think maybe its because it was the defender who heads it to griezman and not the attacker the reason that they chopped it off
@@dinha-c9s Actually if the opponent gives you the ball, that excludes it from being offside but in the case of Griezamann it didn't happen deliberately so it still counts. It is a passive offside turning active and the same thing goes with Messi because he interfered with the play.
You don’t have any idea about football. Your argument is nonsense!!!
The refrees were consistent in making it more convenient for Argentina
absolutely and since the last 8 became more and more obvious
@Ban Vasten cry about it
2 penalties awarded against argentina, in the same game 🤣 France first penalty was exactly the same as Argentina's penalty. Keep on crying.
Yeah sure penaldo fuckboi..refree gave a shit penalty to france in 117 minute so yeah the refree was definitely rigged😁
@@user-qd9er2dh7nrigged means helped in not so obvious situations stupid. Those penalities were to obvious not to call. You know how obvious it would be if the ref didn’t call that hand all!? And other bulkshit penalities. Rigged is more so about helping out and not calling certain things. Not to the point where super obvious penalities will not be called
Cry as long as you want. Create as many fake videos you can... But the Greatest of all time has been decided and written with golden letters on the pages of Football History.
Literally pointed this out in many comment sections and I was swarmed by blind messi fans. I don’t dislike messi and do believe he is the goat even without the WC, but I was trying to make a point that France got robbed and the game should’ve ended 3-2 in favor of France. I pointed out the Griezmann call vs Tunisia but it seems everyone wants to act blind to this call. I also noticed that in many of the TV broadcasts, many of the commentators were commenting on Messi’s offside position but instantly dropped it when VAR reviewed it. Yet the replay itself was not shown and the cameras were simply focused on the celebration of the Argentina squad, really weird imo. Football has definitely turned into a business and Argentina was definitely gifted this WC because of the potential money involving Lionel Messi and Argentina. It upsets me what this sport has come to honestly, but it is what it is and congrats to Messi.
@Fran Kanda “or interfering with an opponent”.
Si hablo español tambien y te digo que messi interfirio porque si lo hizo. Si la posicion de offside de messi no estuviera ayi, upamecano (el defensa) nunca se quitaria de una posicion para interceptar el balon. La lista que me distes tu solo son casos especiales como lo que fue de griezmann.
@@brayancamargo2048 Ya que hablas español, leamos la parte del reglamento que dice "or interfering with an opponent", pero en mi idioma nativo. UA-cam me borra los comentarios, por eso uso otra cuenta.
"Interfiriendo en el juego de un adversario de una de las siguientes maneras: "
• impidiendo que juegue o pueda jugar el balón, al obstruir claramente el campo visual del adversario
• disputándole el balón
• intentando jugar claramente un balón cercano mediante una acción que tenga un impacto en un adversario
• realizar una acción que afecte claramente a la posibilidad de un adversario de jugar el balón
(si tienes dudas, busca en internet: ifab reglamento)
Pagina 100, primer link.
-Messi obstaculizo el campo visual de Upamecano? No. La pelota estaba en el aire XD.
-Messi le disputo el valón? No. Ni siquiera iba para el.
-Messi intenta claramente jugar un balón cercano mediante una acción que tenga impacto en un adversario? No, porque sabia que la pelota no era para el, sino que era para Lautaro.
-Messi realiza una acción que afecta la posibilidad del adversario de jugar el balón? No, porque el pase a Lautaro fue muy bueno, y ningún defensa francés hizo algo para robar la pelota una ves toque el suelo.
Upamecano siguió a Messi por voluntad propia. Quería marcarlo porque creía que Montiel le iba a pasar la pelota, cosa que no sucedió. Si un jugador se encuentra en "offside" no significa que obligadamente tiene que ir un defensa a cubrirlo. Justamente, el reglamento te protege de eso. Si seguimos tu lógica el segundo gol de Mbappe debió ser anulado porque había un jugador francés en "offside", provocando que algunos jugadores argentinos lo tuvieran que marcar y "abandonaran" a Mbappe. Por lo tanto, lo que debió haber hecho Upamecano es acercarse a su portería y fijarse para quien iba el pase. Se dio cuenta tarde que era para Lautaro y por eso no lo encaro bien. Messi en ningún momento interrumpió a Upamecano con su jugada, a menos que consideres que como Messi estaba cerca, esto provoco que se distrajera Upamecano, lo cual es una escusa de niños de pre-escolar. Upamecano no la jugo bien, fue un exelente pase para Lautaro Martínez y Messi se posiciono bien cuando Lautaro la recibió. No se que otra escusa te vas a intentar sacarte del bolsillo. A lo mejor, Messi tenia un imán de Upamecanos dentro del pantalón. No lo se.
Igual, creo que no te expresas muy bien en español, porque no se que quieres decir exactamente con "nunca se quitaría de una posición para interceptar el balón".
Nunca se quitaría de una posición? El trabajo del defensa es seguir a los delanteros que estén atacando y llevando la pelota. Si o si deben moverse de su posición todo el tiempo, ya que deben seguir a la pelota y al jugador que la esta jugando.
Para interceptar el balón? Fue un buen pase aéreo. Como querías que interceptase la pelota? Dando un salto de 17 metros?
Haha this guy just don't understand football. Have you seen the pass or you just don't know the rules
Not only is it offside, the goal should have been disallowed because 2 Argentinian players from the substitues stepped inside the pitch before the goal. The rule says when that happens the goal is disallowed.
Is it many teams goal will disallowe
Ma dude players do that every game not every single rule gets followed 100% percent 🤡
@@PenaldoWheresYourWorldCup If it was a single rule that was broken you could say that, but 2 rules being broken in the same action is just too much.
Look up page 68 of the fifa rule book. Good goal.
@@sneakcr3144 no it wasn't. They entered when it crosses the line.
I see that you donțt know anything about football, this is not how football works,If the defender was looking to play the ball he could've done so, Messi didn't stopped him by any way, his job is to play the ball, not to follow Messi, go learn football, this is not the first time when this happend, like he was running in exactly the oposit direction of the mooving ball....
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At first penalty there is no foul in here
Lol do y’all even know the rules? Little punk. The ball wanst for Messi, it was to Martinez and Messi didn’t interfere with the ball so why would there be an offside? The ball reached Messi in an on side position so I don’t really see what y’all crying about, y’all embarrassing yourselves showing you don’t even understand the sport. The brazil situation is completely different as richardson interfered with the ball before Vinicius, learn the rules you brain dead pricks. 🤡🤡🤡
Ubblind?
It's clear you know nothing about football
I love Argentina and Messi, but I love the game and justice more. FIFA is trying to ruin the beautiful game.
It was not offside you bum😂😂😂
No u don’t because that isn’t offside because drawing a defender out isn’t an interference of play
I played in Korea at a collegiate amateur tournament after the world cup in the world cup stadiums, and a ball was played over the 18-yard line to teammate of mine who scored off the volley first touch.. the goal was called back on an offside because my head and shoulder were beyond the last Man as the ball went in and I never was involved in the play in any way. I was going in for a potential rebound, and was merely off by a head and shoulder on the other side of the 18-yard box, for a goal that went in immediately off the pass forward... Offside, goal disallowed... I played a lot of football and I know what I'm talking about.
@Gregory VanGaya you don't know what you talking about.
Richalarlison ran back to interfere with play thst lead to Vinicius getting the ball if Richarlison ran back with pressuring the ball then Vini got his goal
Messi was not interfering in play when at offside position but was deemed onside after receiving ball back in an onside position by a teammate and yet Griezmann's goal against Tunisia was ruled offside because received ball non deliberately by the opponent eventhough he was back in the onside position. GO FIGURE !.....
he was interfering in play , you can clearly see that he was heading towards the ball , then the ball reached Martinez , it was the same as Grizman s goal but it is okay they just wanted Messi to win
@@mostefajakboub2847
You are On Point. Legally by rules, once an offside player comes into play in whatever means before that gameplay ends then it is DEEMED OFFSIDE.
So Richarlison, Griezmann AND MESSI were Offside for interfering back in the play.
@@amenstal123 he received the ball in like 4 seconds after he was on the offside, then passed it for another player to shoot, and then finished and scored the goal. Clear participation in action and interfering.
@@mostefajakboub2847 Messi didn't touch the ball thou. And he was not intentionally trying to catch that ball unlike Richarlison did.
@@amonalysa1876
He TOUCHED and PASSED the Ball
Go watch cricket instead. The fact that a french player desides to follow messi, when the pass is clearly to another player, means messi is not interfering in play. He is running in another direction and not blocking any opponent going for the ball. He is then made playable as soon as lautaro gets the ball. But keep digging, triggerd cricket
It is a clear offside goal. Which we saw
Lol do y’all even know the rules? Little punk. The ball wanst for Messi, it was to Martinez and Messi didn’t interfere with the ball so why would there be an offside? The ball reached Messi in an on side position so I don’t really see what y’all crying about, y’all embarrassing yourselves showing you don’t even understand the sport. The brazil situation is completely different as richardson interfered with the ball before Vinicius, learn the rules you brain dead pricks. 🤡🤡🤡
By your voice i can tell you like to cry about everything. First of all the defender was running from mid field to catch messi who clearly was offside by a lot . Messi when ball was played was no we’re near the ball . So why don’t you tell me where is a rule that says you can’t run in offside while a defender from mid field try’s to follow you?
Are y’all slow? 🤣 y’all don’t know the rules of offside? The pass was to Lautaro, not Messi. The offside person that would count would be Lautaro 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 keep crying
It doesn't matter if Messi decides to run at the ball before his teammate receives it.
You guys forgetting the 2nd penatly shouldnt never given to France as the france player punch the ball (received from corner kick) and then it went to Mbappe. See the replay.
Clearly offside. I noticed instantly and was chocked nobody mentioned it! He clearly interfered with the play: dragged a defender out of the play, received a pass, passed and scored!
Did everyone forget the rules of futbol. You guys have no idea what you’re talking about.
@@alecstamm7582 great explanation. Very convincing…
@@duralexsedlex162 Messi can’t be offsides as the original pass was not meant for him. Therefore he had no involvement in the first play and by the time he received the ball from Lautaro he was well onsides.
@@alecstamm7582 yes, exactly that, these people really need to stfu.
@@duralexsedlex162 According to law 11 of the FIFA rule book, “A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
been deliberately saved by any opponent”. It clearly states what Messi did was legal.
Not offside since he is not running towards the ball. Nobody is talking about because is not offside it’s a dead end.
Also,even if this goal shud have been disallowed so should have been the goal of france.It wouldnt have been a penalty as upamecano did a hand ball pass to mbappe who shot it into the hands of montiel for a pen,so it would have been a free kick for arg.In that scenario score remains 2-2 and arg still wins anyways in pens.
What about Di Maria's dive, man I wish it was just one bad offside call for the Hobbits sake.
Why cant Argentina win a worldcup with out help from the referee. That offside play been used in many many thousands of disallowed goals in other important matches around the world. Many times goals been disallowed because of a players offside, who was initially in an ofside position in the beginning of the play. 1. The deffender/ defense played you offside, which means the player who is offside is part of the play since the defender is using the opponent player as a point of reference in the play. Meaning youre at all times part of the play/game even if youre offside, being off side does give you the right to take advantage of your offside position in the simultaneous play that folds next. 2. He scores the goal next, which is even worst because you intefered and took advantage of your offside position. 3. Youre always part of the game, even when youre offside. Being off side doesnt mean youre on the side line looking at the other players in the field. 4. He totally ran for the ball and kept running as the play followed. 5. He saw the other player goin so he stopped. 6. Why cant they beat a team anonymously 3-0 or 7-0 to show us how great they are? Just saying big teams do it big, without help PERIOD.
lmao 😭 messi wasn't offside because the ball wasnt played to him period y'all are seriously looking for any excuse even almost 2 years after its actually sad and wdym "show us how great they are" is the fact that they won the world cup not enough for you? france had 2 penalties and still failed
FIFA has made me hate football
or.. you wanted to see france win?
@@enchantedorange3141 he probably a france fan
Tell me you have ZEROO ball knowledge without telling me you have zero ball knowledge 😂😂😂😭
No offside,goal is goal
WDYM
@@Gdgoat222 off side is when the ball is not touched :/
@@Gdgoat222 my iq is bigger than you m8
@@Gdgoat222 im just bad at football
If you ask me: Was Messi offside BEFORE the ball was passed to Martinez? YES!
Was he offside when Martinez passed it to him? NO!
Why can't people understand basic rules of the game?
You establish Messi to be in an offside position and later, we can clearly see him REVERT BACK to being onside. "The defender getting distracted by trying to mark Messi" excuse is worth diddlysquat. The ball was passed to Lautaro, who was unfortunately for you, ONSIDE. Retrospect, although Thuram was running with Messi in order to mark him, he was watching the movement of the ball on the field like the other players. There is no excuse such as "distracted." If you're a player, you're supposed to remain vigilant about everything happening on the pitch.
Is totally On side.
The fact that they went to VAR and approved the goal is good enough for me. The other thing is that people act like if his goal wasn’t counted France would win 3-2. As if the penalty kick would automatically be given. A penalty that shouldn’t of been rewarded.
@@ohhhhh6269 but it's actually on side besides the VAR, Messi was not playing before and he moves against the ball. And the second french penalty is right conceded, there is no handball from the french player, he touched the ball with his head.
Never speak on football ever again, thanks 😂
Look at all the free kicks send on to the box. You always have 2-3 forwards offside even if the goal is scored by an on-side player. They affect the game directly, even they don't touch the ball, as the defense is playing the offside. The rule should say: any player offside can't be part of the action until the ball is in the goal, out or in possession of the opponent team.
Exactly! Seen many like that where a player is streaking offside effecting the defender. In the end he never touched the initial pass so it’s good!
I think you need to learn the rules before posting videos like this.
Thank you, dude. The Media will never show these things or talk about them. It's sad what they did to the world cup. They ruined it. They wanted Argentina to win because of Messi. Commercialism won the world cup. Argentina could not have won without help.
And they give 5 penalties to Argentina in this tournament.4 of them r wrong decisions
Why you don't mention the disgusting upamecano hand before the mbappe's shot?
Loser spotted … keep burning bro…
I completely agree that Argentina couldn’t have won it without help
They just couldn’t hang on to a lead against France. That just shows how much of a good team they really are when they need an offside goal to help them out
Messi was offside yes but he DID NOT get a touch of the ball when he was offside. His teammate got the ball instead and then messi got the ball when he was onside. Whereas for the Brazil guy Richarlison he touched the ball WHILE he was offside, and then he passed it to his teammate which is why it brazil goal was disallowed and not argentina.
Oh you're so embarrassing 😂
I see, no one talking about Upamecano handball
Its hand you are not allowed to use your hands in football so hands dont count
See it from another angle. It's head. Not hand
Without intending to offend you, you CLEARLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND the offside rule. The offside rule applies to the player that receives the pass. PERIOD! (or to a player to interferes with a goalie).
If you want to open a discussion about a BLATANT and IRREFUTABLE error that took place in this game, please have the decency to post a video about the third french penalty kick, if you spend no more than 5 seconds looking at the buildup you will see that the french player BLATANTLY PASSES THE BALL WITH HIS HAND TO MBAPPÉ - this is NOT my opinion, just look at the video. That play could’ve had a catastrophic effect on the outcome, given that this game should have NEVER gone to spot kicks.
Actually, it reads more complicated than exclusively interfering with the goalie, and an offside offense can occur when the offside is not by the player receiving the pass. The argument put forward in this video is that Messi, per amid Law 11, ‘gained an advantage by being in that position’ (the words verbatim in the link below); he was in a forward position on the immediate attack in which he scored, which his being offside was arguably advantageous. If he hadn’t been offside, it may have not made a difference. But Law 11 does specify that this scenarios falls under the referee’s discretion, which means it’s all valid the way it played out. I overlooked that earlier. But I see the interpretation as meriting discussions. It seems just before Messi’s shot went in, Argentine substitutes were on the field. But more overtly French bench players were well into the field of play when Mbappe scored earlier.
lexingtonunited.org/understanding-fifa-law-11-offside/
The difference with Richardlison offside is that he wasn't seen by the defender, instead in Messi controversy, he goes back and was positioned in front of the defenders. Also, with this movement he approached to other two frenchs who are coming from behind.
Thats nonsense the ball was not play too messi he made no effort to move to the first pass..so he cant be offside ..the ball went to the other player
Also happened with kramaric in the Croatia and Belgium game for the disallowed penalty
ua-cam.com/video/u51dp3q3_N0/v-deo.html sure
Crazy how no one talks about it.
happened France vs tunisia, last french goal, cancelled