The strange story of Lincoln's cabins
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2018
- In Kentucky you can visit the cabin where Honest Abe grew up … or is it? Contributor Brook Silva-Braga investigates the unusual tale of log cabins at the Abraham Lincoln Birthplace National Historic Park in Hodgenville, Ky.
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The fact those cabins still exist is a story in itself.
Well, sort of. So these cabins do weather in time and have to be replaced by new logs and a different form than the mud/hay/dung mixture they used to do. They are all across Indiana (where I live) and most are "original" but modernized, if you will.
@@brodi81 ship of theseus scenario
You can go out near sewanee Tennessee and find some cabins believe it or not with some wood still there and chimneys dating back to pre civil war era out in the woods. Theres a couple YT videos of people finding these cabins.. it's a local rumor that john wilkes booth made his way down here and preformed at local theatres.. theres descendants over 90 years old who swear to this day john wilkes booth his out there and told their family he was john wilkes booth
What they didn't consider is that over time as the cabin gets damaged, the damaged parts have to be repaired. If over the decades the logs were replaced one at a time as they deteriorated, is it still Lincoln's cabin?
And did they test only one log of each cabin? If they'd tested multiple logs, would they have found different years for each?
@@stephencoldbear you really think these scientists didn't think about that? Pretty sure they were experts on the subject and that would have been the most basic mistake they could have possibly made. Theseus's ship is a real concept. Check it out.
This doesn't change the amazing fact that Lincoln was born in a log cabin built with his own hands.
William M joke! Right? Lol how could a new baby build the Log Cabin he was born in? When I was in school about ‘1945, we were taught that Abe Lincoln was born in a Log Cabin that only had three sides! I thought it
meant a cabin with three sides, it didn’t seem likely that they meant one side was never put on it, it seemed to us that it was sort of a triangle shaped building! Of course, now that I’m older, I see it as an unfinished building, with only three sides finished! Lol I now realize that it just wasn’t completed. Perhaps what may have happened, when he was older, he may have put the fourth side on the building, therefore, the confusion that he built the house he was born in.
@@billiezotos9411 It's an old joke going back decades, from a fictional list of student answers in quizzes. Another was "Ben Franklin died in 1790 and he's still dead."
😂😂😂
@okana2up dude, it's obviously a joke.
Sooooo Lincoln built this cabin as soon as he was born out the womb?!?! Wow!!! Very special baby!
"The day I fear most is the day idiots quote me on the internet for things I never said" - Abraham Lincoln
I feel cheated. I visited his memorial in Hodgenville, KY. believing that was his cabin. I want my money back. Oh wait it cost nothing.
I'm pretty sure I visited one in Illinois. We were duped!! I smell a class action lawsuit! 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
it cost you some gas money, and it was wasted time
@markj6700 pretty arrogant of you to claim religion is fake. I'm not a religious person myself but have you any proof of your claims? And by the way the ark and flood story is rooted in historical fact and not just in the biblical story.
@markj6700 first let me say the ark in Kentucky never claims to be the real ark as the Titanic in Branson Missouri or gatlinburg tn isn't either real. Next multiple religions may claim to be the only true religion yet they all share the same common denominator so to speak. You are only showing that you are arrogant and uneducated. You don't have to be religious to have intelligence so try to get some.
@markj6700 and by the way... Christianity, Judaism, Islam and even Babylonian history as well as other ancient societies have stories of the great flood including the epic of Gilgamesh. Again pick up a book sometime.
Reminds me of that joke: "Abraham Lincoln was born in a cabin that he built with his own hands".
I never tire of that joke.
If the South had won that war, Southern kids would have been able to play with Davis Logs.
justachannel i dont get it?
Garett cooke Sorry, I thought your reply was to something else that I could not make much more clear. Yes. Lincoln Logs. And, yes, they do still sell them www.walmart.com/tp/lincoln-logs. (But I think they're a little different than when I was a kid.)
Lmao hahahahahaha exactly!!!!!
@@mamaroza22 hey do....but now include plastic windows, door n roof! But I found a full wood log cabin build set @ a bargain outlet stores "ollie's".....best to carve your own
@@garrettcooke5566 are you serious?
The lady ranger has a very good point. It’s the man and his story that make people come for a visit.
I wonder how much money that town has lost since this video
zaq The 1861 cabins were still the type of cabin Lincoln was born and lived in.They allow people to see how humble his beings were in three D. Much better than virtual reality and a modern copy.
They've probably gained visitors since there's other interesting things to see there and it's still his birthplace. You and hundreds of thousands of other people who saw this wouldn't have went there because you didn't know of it's existence but I bet there's some people who will go because they found out about it by watching this.
@@samuelrs5138 nah
@@bobduato4404 I could see if this was the only attraction there. But it's still the birthplace and has museums about Lincoln and things like that. I bet there's people in Kentucky who watched this who didn't know about it and decided to go there on a Saturday or Sunday to check it out. How many people could there possibly be that were already planning to go, saw this, and canceled their plans?
@@samuelrs5138 LOL
TRUE!
When I visited the site of Lincoln's boyhood home in Indiana, I walked the ~200 yard trail from the cabin to their water well. May not be the original cabin, but the site itself is theirs for sure. You can figure he walked that trail many, many times fetching water and you get quite a feeling that you are walking in his footsteps among quite the same forest trail he did.
@McKittrick Hyatt What is interesting about this story is that I grew up near there and of course we took school trips to both Lincoln sites way too many times. They never once said these were the original cabins. They always said they came from the same time frame.
Went there to Lincoln's boyhood home in Indiana. Gives one pause to think of how Americans lived in those days. It is great to experience the heritage of our country.
McKittrick Hyatt I used live right by their
Me too Greg. We used to live near there and visited that park several times.
I had Lincoln Logs when I was a kid. And I made many Lincoln log cabins. Maybe I should have donated one of them to the Parks Service.
I went to the chili cook-off in Lincoln, Nebraska, then dropped a hefty log. There’s a Lincoln Log story for you.
You don't hear anyone mentioning that he moved to Indiana when he was 7. His boyhood home and his legacy are really spread across Kentucky, Indiana, and Illinois - it's not something one small town with a random cabin can claim.
Lincoln would have liked this result, I think, with his incredibly wry sense of humor and legendary modesty. Will there ever be another like him?
My dad had a picture of my grandpa pointing at the gas station Abraham Lincoln worked at. He also owned one of Lincoln's old radios.
Lol my great great grandad saw Lincolns first tweets as president. They sadly shut down his account ages ago.
@kbogle798 prove it!
@@notsureiL Yeah I read about that in social studies in middle school.
Now that's great comedy 🤣 you can't teach that.
His original cabin was found in another dimension on the Planet Quepticon
boring pup how do you know
@@swavy3029 because I live in his hat here
Travel to Antioch, WV and you will discover Abraham Lincoln's Mothers Birth Place and Cabin and also will see that Lincoln himself visited this cabin and signed it!
In Tama County Iowa, between Tama and Garwin, Lincoln had a farm. There is a historical marker on the property. No cabin or anything else left, just a marker.
That’s a long drive to the eastern panhandle for me just to see a log cabin.
Mind blowing to think that she was born in what was Virginia back then!
Hats off to the amazing Rangers. They are so great anywhere you visit. They are a national treasure for sure.
This one thoo
We are an amazing brotherhood where e ever we serve.North Cascades National Park.Mt.St.Helens.
My 2nd cousin, Mary Lavey Yoder gave this statement about the Lincoln cabin. "John Oliver Lavey & Anna M. Essex Lavey lived in the log cabin on the hill behind the Boyhood Home of Lincoln. In 1933, the cabin was re-constructed at the Boyhood Home site from the logs of the cabin where the Laveys lived. Frank Howard, who owned the Boyhood Home, told me so but when I was there several years ago".
Howard another crook lawyer also like Abe.
I have to agree Hodgenville is still worth a visit because it is Lincoln's birth place. If you like Lincoln there's also a Lincoln Library and museum in Harrogate Tennessee that might be worth a visit as well.
Lincoln did actually live in Hogenville and on the land of the cabin from 1861. That is cool enough for me.
Born in KY, moved to IN, then IL. Have an ancestor born near him in KY, then he moved to IL near where Lincoln was. Both served together in 2 IL Militia units in the Blackhawk war in 1832 (my ancestor was a Sgt in one and a Lt in the other, Lincoln was a Pvt in both). His sister married Abner Ellis in New Salem, friend of Lincoln's law partner, Herndon. My ancestor moved to TX in 1834 and fought in TX Rev at Siege of Bexar in 1835. Wrote is brother in 1838 to come to TX, land is good and "Indians has not killed me yet".City of Georgetown TX and Glasscock County named for him.
Both Lincoln and Davis served in it under Old Rough and Ready. Davis became his son-in-law.
My great, great, great grandfather has passed down through our family, Abe Lincoln’s first Blackberry.
Wow Ranger Natalie is a doll.
Matt Jones a natural beauty. a very wholesome look.
guess they didn’t learn anything from honest abe
Is it possible that parts of the cabins were repaired over the years with new logs and that they tested the newer repair logs?
In that case the cabins could still be original?
Probably logs were replaced and changed when it was originally moved. Maybe even parts of several cabins.
What happens after all the original logs are replaced?
No
I thought the same thing.
The Cabin of Theseus
Although it be awesome to see where he lived, slept, and grew up. Other than that I’m always fascinated by history, I’ll would still visit the area
Are these cabins made from Lincoln Logs?
Nice to see a joke that is not mean-spirited.
We had "Lincoln's cabin" in our hometown also, I assume they're all over Kentucky.
Nice pfp
@@pinkushatejar based
Idk why it would matter? Lol He was born, and left a legacy behind. Everyone has a birthplace, but not everyone leaves such a big legacy.
My Dad loved Lincoln. My brother's middle name is Lincoln!
Peanutbutterbutterfly Awesome! I'm a direct descendant. Abe was my cousin.
Disco Biker yeah right lol.
Pretty freaking awesome Lincoln's cabin
Go to Farmington Illinois south of Charleston Illinois you will find Lincoln's father and step mom's land with cabins on it. His father's grave is few miles away at old church. Check it out. I take my kid's there all the time and have BBQs.
I have visited there also, the cabins are not the originals, but replicas of the period. The barn is period, found in southern IL and moved to the farm. The new modern museum is an unexpected treasure that I happened upon a few years ago, and went back later that year for Harvest Frolic. There are several names for that style of cabins joined together - dog-leg and saddlebag. (Plus one more I can't recall)
You gave more and better info than the videos.
@@bethk3773 Lincoln's father baried three miles west in old church of there properly.
Wow I’m learning about him at school!
Thanks.... it is the Story and Journey thru Lincoln’s Life: & People.. these, and other similar/possible related, Artifacts can help focus: etc.
I was born not too far from Lincoln park and have been there many times I take my kids and their kids to see it!!!!!!
If you look at his house in Springfield and use these cabins as examples of the types of cabins he lived in, the massive contrast between the two give insight as to the changes in his life as well as to lifestyles of the time.
I have visited both of those historical sites and you are absolutely correct. The Springfield home is beautiful! I just love the history of our country. Also been to Mt. Vernon and The Hermitage in Nashville. Monticello is next on our list!
What they didn't consider is that over time as the cabin gets damaged, the damaged parts have to be repaired. If over the decades the logs were replaced one at a time as they deteriorated, is it still Lincoln's cabin?
That was nice.
My family were some of the earliest European settlers in that area and owned this land at one point. It’s a beautiful area.
There is another cabin claimed as Lincoln’s here in Cumberland MD
Despite the cabins not being Abe’s, he was still born there and he lived there until he was 7.
My grandmother lived in a small house in logansport Indiana , years after they moved . The town found out the house was an actual old 1700’s frontier log cabin that was encased . They stripped the modern parts off it and it stands still I believe in its log cabin “look”
wow...what a strange story.
Why is it that houses from the 1600's in New England are so much better than homes from the 1800's?
Illinois and the surroundings were frontier land. East of the Appalachians had been settled for a couple hundred years. At the time Lincoln came to Illinois, 1830, the area was still Indian land, hence Indiana.
When she trips up saying “that’s the story you can sell” kinda suspect
She didnt trip up. She said that purposefully.
K Happy someone’s mad that Lincoln didn’t live there
@@liamsalzman2925 She literally reiterated that, are you stupid?
So that's why they're called Lincoln Logs and not Davis Logs
Even if the cabin isn’t legit, people are still seeking out Abe’s legacy 160+ years later, which is pretty epic😁👍🇺🇸
he was one of our greatest presidents
Thanks. Its my husband great great uncle. We too have a cabin now called the Lincoln cabin in Fresno
@@itsmeagain8009 im from the south but i think lincoln was a great president
Tell the park ranger to go all the way to Ravens fork NC, for the genesis of Lincoln
A place that Lincoln did sleep (I'm pretty sure) was White Hall Historic Home in Richmond, KY
I understand you can count the rings to determine how old a log was when it was cut, but how are they able to tell specifically what year it was?
I been there and it is a great place to visit and its history.
That ranger girl is cute.....
Wayne Harris I believe she is a woman not a girl.
And you're a nerd. Good for you.
is your girlfriend a girl?
Too nerdy for you, she likes real wood.
She might like carpet
Fun fact: the logs were intermediately stored in College Point, NY before they were reassembled.
And the original Lincoln Logs were stolen by Yankee Scalawags being selfish and not allowing them to return to Kentucky. Probably being oogled by some Yankees right now in Michigan or some other Yankee stronghold. Lol
Abe Lincoln was born in Kentucky period.
Adolf Hitler Sure...but that is not what she said. He was BORN in Kentucky.
@Adolf Hitler What did Kentucky ever do to you?
Mary Lawson I know, right?! Seriously!? Anyone who would purposely choose Hitler as their screen name and profile pic has something very wrong with them.
@@VintageRose75 Right. I almost addressed that myself but chose not to thinking somebody else would see the obvious. Have a good one.
Mary Lawson Yeah, it is pretty obvious!! 😉 Maybe something really bad happened to him in Kentucky. It doesn't mean that represents the whole state. 😌
Sad to know that the log cabin is long gone
Pt Barnum had rented it and it caught fire sadly
They would need to test every log not just a couple
Well.. seeing as time travel wasn't possible at the time.. I doubt they could've gotten ahold of a log from decades in the future to build the cabin so... There's that..
Mans persistent search for absolute truth is why we can never be fulfilled.
Counting the rings in a log can only tell you how old the tree was when it was cut. They can not tell you what year the tree was cut. How does that work, really????
I was wondering the same thing. I think they keep records of tree rings from old trees that we know when and where cut. Then they look for certain " distinct" markings, like years of drought and so on.
Sorry, I replied the same.
But the tree could not have been used to build a cabin on a date before the tree was cut. See?
@@ronaldcammarata3422 Right. But we mean... How do they know when it was cut? I can have cross cut and know how long the tree lived , but it may have been cut 5 years ago or 100 years ago. Just wondering how they know about when it was cut. It's not that I don't think they know, just wondering how. I'm guessing they have certain common "markers'' for specific years in different locations.
@@benjaminharold5154 Every year a trees ring is different.It holds evidence of things that happend in its surroundings.Like a fire . So if they took a log from a building that they knew was cut and built on a certain year they would match.
I was there and saw both cabins. Yay lol
Honest Abe may not have lied, but marketers are known for it!
So exciting it's a snoozfest.
That’s such a ridiculous test. So they know the age of the tree but how do that tell them when it was cut down? The tree would have stopped showing age rings once it was cut. Also how do they know some of the logs weren’t replaced. I hope they don’t do that will our structures in the future because we renovate pretty frequently
You either didn’t watch or couldn’t understand the video.
Other States have cabins where he visited and they also have a plaque on them saying, 'Lincoln slept here.'
CBS, PLEASE Do more of these!
Sincerely, A History Buff.
I used to live in Lincoln IN
I can see the number of rings showing the age of the tree when it was cut, but how do they know when the tree was planted ?
They don't they try to match the rings with established dated trees. (see 3:40)
I had the same question. I "think" this is the answer.
Pay attention to the part of the video where they clearly explain how they do that.
Unfortunately tree aging is no a precise science.
Frannie//// I WOULDN'T TRUST THIS GUY'S WAY OF DOING THINGS!!!!! YOU NEED THE WHOLE TREE SAMPLE TO COUNT THE RINGS!!!! THESE LOGS HAVE BEEN SAWED DOWN TO SIZE/SQUARED OFF!!!! THIS GUY KNOWS HOW TO PLAY THE GOVERNMENT GRANT SYSTEM. I'M SURE THAT HE'S LIVING WELL OFF OF HIS BOGUS RESEARCH!!!!!!
It actually does work. A technique called crossdating is used to determine when an older tree lived and died.
www2.humboldt.edu/natmus/redwoods/redwood-secret/index.html
A ranger explained it to me when I was at the ancient bristlecone pine forest in the white mountains of California.
Many trees there are over 4,000 years old and they know when core sampled ones died.
Well, the cabins are still really really old.
Tia Moore I'm from the UK and I have to tell you there isn't a single building in America that's really, really old.
Mike Williams Just because you live in the UK and buildings are much older, doesn't mean Americans can't consider 300-400 year old buildings really, really old.
@@VintageRose75 yep
I live a few minutes down the road from that cabin
No dating method is ever infallible due to assumptions made during them. For instance, newer logs were sometimes used to replace older logs in the old log cabins. Unless a core sample was taken out of every single log, and they all came up as the same timeframe, you can't really rule out that happening.
The small cabin House.🎬
As a wood aficionado I'm offended by her closing statement. I will not be visiting anytime soon now
Steven Scummy Wow. Your feelings are hurt because she put more importance on Lincoln, than the actual cabin? That's just weird. I'm a direct descendant. Abe is my cousin. How do ya like them apples???
Steven Scummy
She doesn’t respect wood.
@@machia0705 Needs to have more respect for wood for sure
The family who owned the land at the creek and at Knob Hill May have had the cabins destroyed. Abe’s father had horrible legal troubles with the land.
Lincoln Logs
There is an obelisk (similar to the Washington Monument) dedicated to Jefferson Davis near his birthplace. According to Wikipedia, it is the tallest unreinforced concrete structure in the world. In the gift shop, they sell copies of the Emancipation Proclamation. Between that and the logs getting mixed up on their cabins, both Lincoln and Jefferson are probably turning over in their graves.
Me: Lincoln Cabin huh *clicks on video*
*Not even halfway through the video*
Mind: *went to a dark place.*
uh great story of breaking happy memories, to prove a point I guess! Some lies are better left alone.
not everyone in the world saw this video
That park ranger gal is very good looking.
Most of if not all of Lincoln's childhood and adulthood log cabins are long gone. All the tourist areas that have a log cabin pertaining to Lincoln are replicas. Why? Because of the age, material and midwest weather. Wood rots and in those days there was no thought of preservation, just survival. I know the first cabin he erected in Macon Co. Illinois was dismantled in the 1870's and shipped to the Chicago area never to be seen again. The next cabin in New Salem and store are replicas and His step Mother's log cabin in Coles Co. Il is also a replica. The only court house he practiced in that was a log cabin is in a museum park in Decatur Il. and is also a replica but they do have an original log from it in the inside. That courthouse was rebuilt so many times that no one can say if it has any of the original structure. The cabins in Kentucky and Indiana are also replicas.
Even if those cabins are replicas, they show how difficult life was in those days. Imagine living in one of those cabins today without any modern conveniences, running water, a bathroom, only wood heat, only cooking in a fireplace.... Much can be learned even from replicas.
Southern Kentucky is not in the Midwest.
Real smart professor. Couldn't he have counted the rings from the end of the logs ?
I am not certain that matters. It does not negate that he was a great man and great president. There is a cabin in KY built by my great-great grandfather right after the civil war. It is on the list of historical places and sits in Paintsville, KY. Love Lincoln....
thats me in the video.
Honestly, my honesty put me in prison for 5 years. Truthfully, it doesn’t pay to be honest. Strange but true.
Repsychler 808 Please share with us...
Happy birthday anerham Lincoln
I went to one.
Tree ring matching is guessing, at best. Matching patterns are more likely to be from the same years but not matching isn't exclusionary. Unless two trees are in identical soil with identical amounts of water and sunshine available every year then the rings may not match well.
Plus,it would only tell how old the tree was,not WHEN it was cut.
@Scott Laux you can't tell what year a tree was cut down by counting it's rings. And I am aware that variations in atmospheric conditions affect ring growth.
I suggest you write a scholarly paper on the subject since you are clearly an expert.
@Scott Laux it's not the tree rings,get it. Tree rings aren't dated yet it? They don't say 1820 for instance,get it? Tree rings date the trees age not a specific year,get it? It is a simple understanding. If a petrified tree was sectioned, you can tell the trees approximate age,but not what year it fell,understand now?
@markj6700 yes but no year stamped,could of been cut any year.forrests have all trees of varying age,if it's standing and you cut it down,you can count rings and know about when it sprouted,but not side drilling a log.that would only tell you the age of the tree approximately.
President Lincoln might of been born in the state of Kentucky but President Lincoln grew up starting from his very very young childhood to becoming a Man. He learned all of his strength and wisdom in the surrounding area of the Lincoln State Park that is in Spencer County, Southern Indiana 🕯️🎩
That's the real truth indiana made him
Now if the Park Service can locate and mark the Obama Birth site
Lmao
africa
NPS has no authority in Africa. So they cant place a marker there.
Right under a pile of shit,I'd say
Still, that's damn old log (wood) cabin. .. with a wood chimney no less.
My GRANDPA went there
I thought the little cabin he was born in was moved to a museum in Springfield, Illinois?
Politicus Rex no, that was a prop. If you are thinking of the cabin at the museum with the young Lincoln mannequin in it, it’s a prop. You may be referring to another one though.
@@landoflogic107 no that was the one. I found a little article saying it was actually a shed that was on the property.
Politicus Rex Ah, yeah I knew that was too small to be the actual cabin, but it was cool that they managed to find a shed from around that area.
He was actually born in Monroe County because his birth information was in the old court house that got burnt In the war so the information was gone so they wanted to make it look like he did not have to move far to Spring field Illinois his dad had land in Monroe County Ky and built the cabin there and he was born in that cabin then they moved when he was a little older but his birth information got burnt in the old Monroe County court house
The same goes for Billy the Kid’s burial site 🧐
Serious question, where can I contact the park ranger in this video?
At the park, I'd imagine.
Haven't these people heard the phrase, "Leave well-enough alone"?
Now I get why we have Lincoln logs haha
You have the Lincoln Log Cabin
Sometimes we don’t need to know.
Cool, it's Abraham's log cabin, itself.