@@Tenebrio-Morio See. I'm a vindictive man, so in that ending, I'm waiting for Utawarerumono's Witsuarunemitea and turn all the prime normal (yes, Fallout term) humans into red jello. Clearly, for all his posturing, Castlevania's Dracula can't do it.
@@XGenzStudioAfter the SMT V secret ending, humanity needed Jack Frost so much that their thoughts of demons manifested into JoJo Stands, and that's how Persona started
The only thing about this game that pissed me off was the fact that ATLUS disabled screenshots for the last dungeon and endings. My Switch memory card is bursting to capacity because this game was visually so awesome and there were so many great screenshots ripe for the taking in the endings. #TeamNuwaAndYakumo
I just thought about an alternative to this true human ending that preserves the essence- since demons and angels come from the same ontology as creation, in the true ending SMT5 world they are...kind of evened out. Like taking a bunch of globs of clay into a singular one. So they are no longer individuals, and if a demon from outside that world wanted to interact with it, it'd need to dissolve into the world for the duration of the interaction until it goes away. So like demons lose their individuality within the world. Not how it goes in the game, but I think this could have been better.
I actually really like the secret ending of smt 5. It fits with the general spirit of neutrality in smt; that being that the neutral option is implied to not be a permanent solution to the endless cycle of reincarnation and destruction. The presentation also had a lot more effort placed into it compared to the other endings.
@@vorpal22 I usually go neutral but damn I love gods/demons. I don't want a world without them. That's why normal neutral ending is my favorite next to the politheistic one
@@puzzle_boy Well that’s the thing of the true ending. The nahobino removed them from the planet, not the universe. Who knows what may come in the future.
That's why i like the regular neutral ending, it lets humans fight and gain their own ground in a world with demons, meaning they will be ready for anything the universe may through at them
@@Omelander Well, underpowered is relative: a good game is a good game, and it doesn't need a super powered console to be a good game, and that isn't really an excuse for asset reuse. I mean, I would expect them to reuse the demons, but the fact that they reused the maps and many characters just made it feel like a cheap knockoff to me. I grew up on the Commodore 64 and it had some seriously kickass games that had to be programmed in a mere 38 kB of RAM. The 3DS is definitely my favourite console of all time by a huge margin (and I have the PS1-4, PSP, Vita, Wii, Wii U, DS, DSi, and many 3DS and Switches... I don't do Microsoft / XBox). So many amazing games for it.
I thought the secret ending eradicated gods and demon alike, wouldn't that be the end of the series itself? I'm just confused why it has potential to get a sequel based on the secret ending. But I'm all in for a prequel or the rise of Bethel and Aogami origin
The ending of multiple gods and demons is my fave. Humans have the right the choose their deities, and while they will fight over them, they have the choice to.
And most of the sites I went to said that to get the true end required a playthrough on NG+, which it definitely did not. (LOL I have never not gotten the neutral ending on an SMT game yet. I guess my brain just balances out the choices properly.)
@@vorpal22 They say that because of the quest required to complete to obtain the true neutral ending. You can do it on ng, but you'll definitely need a viable team and setup to get it.
@@zomboids2100 Oh yeah, I hear you. I played most of the game on normal difficulty... and that fight and the demi-fiend fight just slaughtered the hell out of me so fast that I barely blinked. I ended up dropping to casual, and still, it was basically me with a custom team to defeat each of them while burning through MP and HP recovery items so fast that I couldn't keep up. Finally I said screw it and dropped to safety difficulty for those two fights... which was very anticlimactic and felt lame, because that took them from impossible to so easy that it felt like fighting a pixie at level 99... but I really wanted the true neutral ending and to finish off the menorah quest and get the demi-fiend's resistances.
I'm here because I chose to recreate the world, as i thought that to be better than detroying the throne and giving up the ideals i had. (Yes i killed Shiva and gotten nearly every demon beforehand) But the ending i chose ended up being the exact opposite of what i desire for the universe. After seeing the true ending, it played out exactly as i knew it would with everything remaining the same with humanity, just without gods and demons around to mess with them. All endings left a slight bitter taste in my mouth. Other than that, SMTV's an easy 9/10.
The True Neutral Ending confuses me. You need to go through specific quests for that ending that requires HELPING demons and humans to co-exist. Then you decide to just murder all the demons in a genocide ending where demons no longer exist. But, the protag is now 'god' and a demon and still exist somehow. It just an awkward ending.
@@DarkAdonisVyers What an awful outlook, especially when that couldn’t be further from what it is. The outlook has nothing to do with running away from problems, but owning them. I suppose it’s true Americans are disconnected and sheltered from other outlooks of the world.
@@justabearbrowsingyoutube4968 So you see poor people and try to convince everyone to be poor? What is that line? Own nothing and be happy? In fact, the very fact that you are posting this on a commercial product proves that you are either a hypocrite or a liar.
@@justabearbrowsingyoutube4968 not necessarily. Some Americans pursue knowledge and in doing so encounter other cultures and religions. I don't think of Nirvana as cowardice, in fact because Nirvana is probably different for each person there might be one where you wake up and choose violence (although why would you?).
Finally beat Shiva, only to realize that I had locked myself out of the true ending without undoing many hours of grinding and sidequests, as well as my 7 attempts at Shiva. I enjoyed the game a lot, but I think 100 hours is my limit.
Did you get it on your first playthrough or NG+? A lot of websites are saying that you need to do it in NG+, but I got it on my first playthrough. So happy I got to align with Nuwa and Yakumo, who are my favourite characters!
@@nachot6592 Absolutely. I switched down to casual for those two fights and thought I had a really strong team, but I spent the battles just struggling to keep my HP and MP up and was consuming items as fast as I could manage. Finally for both after I got slaughtered about 10 times on casual, I took the easy way out and switched to safety, which was insanely stupid... my damage increased by a factor of 10, their damage decreased by a factor of 10, and a couple rounds were all I needed.
@@coatguy2990 it puts an end to the Demi Fiend's torment at least, he was cursed by God for rejecting his order so maybe this ending helps him achieve peace. I'm sure he'd be happy with this outcome as it still frees people from the cycle of creation
So in the true ending, the nahobino that is a god live in other world, and protagonist human live in the new world? The protagonist that we played became a god, so techincally, he cant live in the new world. Is this? Cause we see 2 protagonists on the final scene
I understand why Western audiences hated the true ending now. It’s open ended, with so many possibilities of what could happen next. I remember in English Literature class the history of Western storytelling has a rule of absolute endings… so an ending that is open ended is concerned “lazy.” Couldn’t disagree more. I love the true ending, no more struggles of the Gods over power, and the Nahobino at the end? Makes me wonder what other gods or demons exist outside the world that may come.
this is no different that SMT IV Apocalypse arnachy Ending, you become the new universe god and do whatever u want with it, Nanashi and Nahobino just shape their own universe different Other God/Other wordly being can still interfere them meaning the Destruction and Creation cycle will happen forever, there will be no True Everlasting Ending in the SMT games ever ...
The difference though *Spoilers for apocalypse down below* Is that nanashi obtains godhood by killing everyone, then using the cosmic egg after defeating yhwh to create another universe. But as Stephen stated there's gonna be other messiahs coming after you since you basically went and screwed the other universe over like a tyrant, ie, you became another yhwh. But in this one you take the role as a creator(in law/chaos)and will basically take a more active part. Plus with nahobino being as powerful they are its a safe bet they'll be a tough one to overcome specially with having both demon and human power. He doesn't have anyone gunning for him unlike nanashi who's guaranteed to be living with the consequences that another messiah will come after him.
@@zomboids2100 Nahobino is at best just like a Godslayer like the Fusion of krishna and flynn i think when they become God of their universe then they got a massive power up Atlus isnt making sense or dont try to, at first Lucifer said the Nahobino universe can be everlasting after consuming him but then right at the ending its "nothing can last forever" shit again
@@zomboids2100 The funny thing is that everyone said that Yahweh could not be overcome until he was. The Nahobino thinking himself invincible, if anything, is dooming himself to end like Yahweh. I mean, what dynasty _doesn't_ think itself eternal? And how do all those dynasties end up? Or what, you actually think the Nahobino's circle jerk with humanity actually means anything? Stirner directly criticizes people for adopting humanity as their “new god”, if you will. Human exceptionalism and sanctity are just more spooks that have no real intrinsic value.
True Ending: Go against everything I just taught you, forget about Aogami (you know, the guy who repeated over and over again that he would protect you, no matter what), forget about Amanozako, Miyazu and all the other friends you made along the way. Better yet, erase them from existence! Sure, great idea. That's exactly what I as a Shin Megami Tensei fan would like to see as the canon ending. To erase all the demons I came to love over the years of playing these games. Yeah, you totally get me Atlus... Honestly, never have I ever felt worse about a "canon" ending to a game of this magnitude. I mean, all the endings really felt the same, not gonna lie, dunno if they cut out a lot of content, but it felt either rushed or unfinished. I don't know if they don't care as much about the ending of their game, even though they did significantly better jobs with their previous titles. I really liked it's connection to Nocturne, but ultimately I enjoyed Nocturne more. The game is great, but if you decide to tell a story via dialogue and cutscenes but then your cutscenes are very, *very* similar and the dialogue ultimately doesn't differ in any real amount? Lucifer always says the same lines...you know, THE LAST FINAL BOSS, again and again the same lines, nothing to show you've sided with Chaos or with god, doesn't matter. Hell, even creating your own world without demons, the only the he essentially says is "Yeah, maybe"
@@PhazonKing Have you played the other games? Because if you compare, the endings in this one fall flat. Also criticizing is a way to help the franchise we LOVE get better, and SMT can and already have done better, so lets not let Sega destroy Atlus by not criticizing when they do wrong.
The entire message this game contains is moving on from the old ways. This path concludes that message. It's not the "canon" ending, it's just another ending like most SMT games. Humans and demons cannot coexist in the new world. For years, demons have been the root cause for nearing humanity to the brink of extinction. Not to mention the corrupt Gods. And so you have to sacrifice one or the other in order to create people. In the end a world for humanity is the better option.
@@obi-wankenobi4337 And why should humanity take priority? Humanity or rather human sanctity or human exceptionalism is just another spook. It has no value beyond what you place on it. I place _nothing_ on it.
@@DarkAdonisVyers Humanity and demon kind are not so different however, humanity is the lesser evil between the two. Humanity has the ability to adapt and change. Demons cannot, they will always resort to a dog eats dog world. They've done it before God seized power and they continued to do it even afterwards. So for that, humanity has more value since there will always be a possibility for greatest and goodness. Demon kinds don't have that because it was never in their nature to do it.
Got the feeling SMTV wil get a directors cut version like SMT 3 with more endings, demons and other QoL stuff. Would rather like that tbh instead of a SMT4:a.
I did all the quests. Fused all the demons. Chose “destroy the throne” and still didn’t get the secret ending I’m not sure what I should’ve done differently
Yes, I am incredibly dissapointed. The rest of the game (besides the story) was amazing. It could've easily been a 9/10 for me. However, it collapsed near the end. It just seems so underwhelming. Also, the game was far too easy. The first area was the most challenging part of the entire game, because you don't have access to good buffs.
Another couple points of disappointment for me: * I wish there was a bit more interaction with the secondary characters. I'm not looking for Persona, but I did want to know them a bit better. * When Koshimizu decides to turn on Bethel, I was expecting a lot of gods to show up to that meeting with Abdiel... there were only a few. Feels cheap. * Some parts felt a bit rushed through development. I don't even know why they bothered, for example, with a map of Tokyo given how unimportant it was to the story. * The endings were all pretty short and could have been a bit more dramatic. SMT Deep Strange Journey / Strange Journey Redux endings felt more epic to me. The level designs (except for the stupid Demon King dungeon, which was just irritating as hell) were all great, though... so much exploration.
The true ending is the best ending. Let me explain. -Law pulls everyone back in the matrix,just waiting thatvit gets broken again. -Chaos just creates a very dangerous world where lots of people can become gods. -Neutral prevents any creation, dooming the world. -True neutral gets rid of demons and god while BREAKING THE MANDELA SYSTEM.
after beating shiva, bosses after him is just plain cupcakes LOL, i dont even need to heal against any of the story bosses, anyway oot, how come theres no demon from islam belief in this game?
🌬The path of the myriad God's & Goddesses ♾️🤟💨 even if the world is full of adversities & sadness, only the true truth will stand tall amongst it all & our will to endure & grow with infinite love & wisdom will always out weigh the negativity in contrast !
Wow, so I actually got Chaos. Thought I would have gotten N. Seeing all these, only C. satisfied me. The others are rather lame IMHO. Happy I looked it up, rather then reply the game and getting disappointed. SMT V is a fantastic game though.
Mass Effect 3 was a pretty bad ending of a whole trilogy of games. Those are just not that great endings of one game. They did try to make the law-chaos-neuteral choice kind of different this time though
@@user-ud5uo8fm4x different but not very interesting, I get that this is not a very story heavy game and it did it’s job to motivate me to the end of the game. But it just wasn’t as exciting, philosophical or as twisty as other SMT games. The major twist in my mind was who ended up being the law simp and who ended up being the chaos dude.
@@elgirl19 I still don't really understand who's the chaos guy. Like Raidou jr. thinks that the weak should die but he also doesn't like demons and the alternative version of his ending is clearly neutral. And yeah I agree that the endings aren't the best. I feel like they either had to be either as ambiguous as Nocturne, or actually show a bit of the world you changed like in SJ or 4. The red guy talking while nahobino just walks somewhere really was lame. Though I feel like the secret ending was kinda cool because there was no narration while walking and it had a little scene of the new world, even if this scene wasn't very interesting.
@Dávid Walter he literally says humans who don't have the will to stand up for themselves and fight don't deserve to live. not everyone is strong enough to do that
@@randomplayzx there's no creator god in buddishm, In Buddhism the gods are part of the worlds of form and desire and therefore essentially finite and they become gods because they were good and achieved a bit of enlightenment. plus Buddha denied the existence of a creator god.
@@partyethtoon not really. You can fight Shiva in every route. Once you kill him your world will be safe from complete destruction, even if it's a law or chaos world.
The fact that the japanese keep making games where you end up fighting God, destroy it or "trying to live a life without gods" really shows that they had no idea how stupidly OP the abrahamic God is.
OP as in overpowered, or something else? I think the SMT games show that the Japanese have a pretty good understanding of what an authoritarian dictator Yahweh and his blindly following angels are. In fact, one of the things I like best about SMT is how many times you get to kill this "supposedly good" god.
@@vorpal22 Overpowered. The thing is that you cannot beat God. It's literally impossible. Nor can you do someting outside his will. Again, its literally impossible. God is basically the game developer. No matter what the characters do in the story in-game you cannot affect them.
You're assuming there is only one abrahamic God... When there is an entity that can just as powerful, there must be something else that created it, and one that created that one which created the abrahamic God, and the one before that, and so on.
@@nejiharuno I'm assuming there's only one abrahamic God because it is described as an eternal being. A eternal being is outside time and encompasses everything, literally all there is is part of it yet it goes beyond it forever, be it time, space, matter or anything imaginable. There can be no beginning nor an end to it, nor anything exists outside of it because even infinity is contained inside it and it will always be infinity to infinity. And its unkillable because it is "being itself", existance. The alternative, which is nothingness, by definition cannot and does not exist
@@Artemisarrowzz I do agree with you that there is really just one Abrahamic god unless you are possibly into gnosticism, but that deviates quite a bit from what people think when you mention Jews, Christians, or Muslims, who all worship essentially the same god. As for the rest of your post, we have no shortage of scientific models in which infinite regression is an issue: you cannot start with the axioms that an infinite regression exists, and thus god, much less Yahweh. You are just slapping a label on something that you seem to think reality needs, which it doesn't. The number of times Genesis alone contradicts this god's supposed omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence speaks as to its legitimacy. Sorry, but the correct answer was Hinduism. *sad trombone* (I am kidding about that last sentence.) Just to sum up, the "alternative" is not nothingness, and I don't know anyone who would claim otherwise. You are coming to the conclusion of god because you pose it as a false dilemma.
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Create a world for humanity alone, is the true ending? A world without jack frost ain't no true ending
Amen, I need Jack Frost, Idunn, Nuwa, and Cleopatra. Else humanity and life is without purpose.
I refuse to accept the outcome where you erase Aogami and your daughter, Amanozako from existence.
@@Tenebrio-Morio See. I'm a vindictive man, so in that ending, I'm waiting for Utawarerumono's Witsuarunemitea and turn all the prime normal (yes, Fallout term) humans into red jello. Clearly, for all his posturing, Castlevania's Dracula can't do it.
Yeah, persona is butterfly effect depending of SMT ending
@@XGenzStudioAfter the SMT V secret ending, humanity needed Jack Frost so much that their thoughts of demons manifested into JoJo Stands, and that's how Persona started
The only thing about this game that pissed me off was the fact that ATLUS disabled screenshots for the last dungeon and endings. My Switch memory card is bursting to capacity because this game was visually so awesome and there were so many great screenshots ripe for the taking in the endings. #TeamNuwaAndYakumo
true, theres time when you just gotta take a ss or vid. but nooooo
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I don't think I can choose the "True Human" ending. It just feels wrong to erase all angels and demons from existance like this.
I just thought about an alternative to this true human ending that preserves the essence- since demons and angels come from the same ontology as creation, in the true ending SMT5 world they are...kind of evened out. Like taking a bunch of globs of clay into a singular one. So they are no longer individuals, and if a demon from outside that world wanted to interact with it, it'd need to dissolve into the world for the duration of the interaction until it goes away. So like demons lose their individuality within the world. Not how it goes in the game, but I think this could have been better.
I actually really like the secret ending of smt 5. It fits with the general spirit of neutrality in smt; that being that the neutral option is implied to not be a permanent solution to the endless cycle of reincarnation and destruction. The presentation also had a lot more effort placed into it compared to the other endings.
Any ending without Aogami ain't the ending for me.
oh wow. all the endings and especially the true ending is very interesting. (thank u btw for posting the endings!)
Ah the monotheism , polytheism and atheism ending
Sounds about right, which is probably why I always aim for and get the neutral ending in SMT.
@@vorpal22 I usually go neutral but damn I love gods/demons. I don't want a world without them. That's why normal neutral ending is my favorite next to the politheistic one
@@puzzle_boy Well that’s the thing of the true ending. The nahobino removed them from the planet, not the universe. Who knows what may come in the future.
That's why i like the regular neutral ending, it lets humans fight and gain their own ground in a world with demons, meaning they will be ready for anything the universe may through at them
After this secret ending, i bet there Will be a sequel to this game, Just like smt4 Apocalipse
I'm all in!
As long as it's not terrible like Apocalypse was, I'm all for it. SMTIV was awesome. Apocalypse was tedious and reused WAY too many assets.
@@vorpal22 yes but it was also on the 3DS which is a severely underpowered system
@@Omelander Well, underpowered is relative: a good game is a good game, and it doesn't need a super powered console to be a good game, and that isn't really an excuse for asset reuse. I mean, I would expect them to reuse the demons, but the fact that they reused the maps and many characters just made it feel like a cheap knockoff to me.
I grew up on the Commodore 64 and it had some seriously kickass games that had to be programmed in a mere 38 kB of RAM.
The 3DS is definitely my favourite console of all time by a huge margin (and I have the PS1-4, PSP, Vita, Wii, Wii U, DS, DSi, and many 3DS and Switches... I don't do Microsoft / XBox). So many amazing games for it.
I thought the secret ending eradicated gods and demon alike, wouldn't that be the end of the series itself? I'm just confused why it has potential to get a sequel based on the secret ending. But I'm all in for a prequel or the rise of Bethel and Aogami origin
The ending of multiple gods and demons is my fave. Humans have the right the choose their deities, and while they will fight over them, they have the choice to.
The true end gave me chills
And most of the sites I went to said that to get the true end required a playthrough on NG+, which it definitely did not.
(LOL I have never not gotten the neutral ending on an SMT game yet. I guess my brain just balances out the choices properly.)
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They say that because of the quest required to complete to obtain the true neutral ending. You can do it on ng, but you'll definitely need a viable team and setup to get it.
@@vorpal22 they say that because of the Shiva optional boss. That you have to defeat for the ending.
@@zomboids2100 Oh yeah, I hear you. I played most of the game on normal difficulty... and that fight and the demi-fiend fight just slaughtered the hell out of me so fast that I barely blinked. I ended up dropping to casual, and still, it was basically me with a custom team to defeat each of them while burning through MP and HP recovery items so fast that I couldn't keep up.
Finally I said screw it and dropped to safety difficulty for those two fights... which was very anticlimactic and felt lame, because that took them from impossible to so easy that it felt like fighting a pixie at level 99... but I really wanted the true neutral ending and to finish off the menorah quest and get the demi-fiend's resistances.
I'm here because I chose to recreate the world, as i thought that to be better than detroying the throne and giving up the ideals i had. (Yes i killed Shiva and gotten nearly every demon beforehand) But the ending i chose ended up being the exact opposite of what i desire for the universe. After seeing the true ending, it played out exactly as i knew it would with everything remaining the same with humanity, just without gods and demons around to mess with them. All endings left a slight bitter taste in my mouth. Other than that, SMTV's an easy 9/10.
Agreed. Did the same.
Try playing the original strange journey
Now, humans can focus on killing each other. They'd best get to it faster, so we can get to the Utawarerumono world.
No matter what alignment you pick, you basically end getting a scene of Nahobino walking as an ending anyways.
Nope, in the secret/true ending it's just you walking in your school outfit.
The True Neutral Ending confuses me. You need to go through specific quests for that ending that requires HELPING demons and humans to co-exist. Then you decide to just murder all the demons in a genocide ending where demons no longer exist. But, the protag is now 'god' and a demon and still exist somehow. It just an awkward ending.
Humanity Ending is basically Record Breaker Ending from Devil Survivor 2
Story is basically Devil Survivor 1 without the character development and interesting bits.
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I actually like the hidden ending. No matter what happens, demons won't interfere with the world. Just like real life.
@@jackour8167 how? Lucifer didn't explain one bit about why the mc need to kill him to ensure humanity long last freedom.
@@lesangpro the whole point of the ending is to make a world where no Demon interferes and only the protagonist rules.
Last ending is the most fuck up ending
Thanks!!! Got the first 3 endings, then didn't feel like going the extra mile to get the "true" ending 🤘👍
Anyone who picks the secret ending and gets rid of Jack frost and mothman is insane
This is a very Buddhist ending. All about ending the samsara cycle, and eventually achieving nibbana, aka true nothingness.
I always found Buddhist nirvana to be cowardice, not enlightenment. You're just running away from your problems.
@@DarkAdonisVyers What an awful outlook, especially when that couldn’t be further from what it is. The outlook has nothing to do with running away from problems, but owning them. I suppose it’s true Americans are disconnected and sheltered from other outlooks of the world.
@@justabearbrowsingyoutube4968 So you see poor people and try to convince everyone to be poor? What is that line? Own nothing and be happy? In fact, the very fact that you are posting this on a commercial product proves that you are either a hypocrite or a liar.
Kinda weird you instantly assumed he was American…
@@justabearbrowsingyoutube4968 not necessarily. Some Americans pursue knowledge and in doing so encounter other cultures and religions. I don't think of Nirvana as cowardice, in fact because Nirvana is probably different for each person there might be one where you wake up and choose violence (although why would you?).
Finally beat Shiva, only to realize that I had locked myself out of the true ending without undoing many hours of grinding and sidequests, as well as my 7 attempts at Shiva. I enjoyed the game a lot, but I think 100 hours is my limit.
OMG. I just got the true ending.... This is a direct sequel to SMT3 and I love it.
Did you get it on your first playthrough or NG+? A lot of websites are saying that you need to do it in NG+, but I got it on my first playthrough.
So happy I got to align with Nuwa and Yakumo, who are my favourite characters!
@@vorpal22 I did but Shiva was painful and the demi-fiend was in a league of his own. I'll try my luck against him on another run
@@nachot6592 Absolutely. I switched down to casual for those two fights and thought I had a really strong team, but I spent the battles just struggling to keep my HP and MP up and was consuming items as fast as I could manage. Finally for both after I got slaughtered about 10 times on casual, I took the easy way out and switched to safety, which was insanely stupid... my damage increased by a factor of 10, their damage decreased by a factor of 10, and a couple rounds were all I needed.
And despite the true ending killing off SMT 3’s protagonist you like it? Can’t habe loved it that much then
@@coatguy2990 it puts an end to the Demi Fiend's torment at least, he was cursed by God for rejecting his order so maybe this ending helps him achieve peace. I'm sure he'd be happy with this outcome as it still frees people from the cycle of creation
So in the true ending, the nahobino that is a god live in other world, and protagonist human live in the new world? The protagonist that we played became a god, so techincally, he cant live in the new world. Is this? Cause we see 2 protagonists on the final scene
He cannot return to his old life as he is now the God of his universe and has to maintain it.
Got the true ending on my first time blind. Shiva was a pain in the ass but was also fun killing him.
I understand why Western audiences hated the true ending now. It’s open ended, with so many possibilities of what could happen next. I remember in English Literature class the history of Western storytelling has a rule of absolute endings… so an ending that is open ended is concerned “lazy.” Couldn’t disagree more. I love the true ending, no more struggles of the Gods over power, and the Nahobino at the end? Makes me wonder what other gods or demons exist outside the world that may come.
I like open endings if done right, and the true ending of SMT V is one done right.
Problem with open endings is that is doesn’t give you closure and you feel like you’ve wasted your time.
The true ending is the best one. But most players won’t get this ending especially if this is you’re first SMT game.
Got the true ending on first play through last night, watching the other endings right now
this is no different that SMT IV Apocalypse arnachy Ending, you become the new universe god and do whatever u want with it, Nanashi and Nahobino just shape their own universe different
Other God/Other wordly being can still interfere them
meaning the Destruction and Creation cycle will happen forever, there will be no True Everlasting Ending in the SMT games ever ...
The difference though
*Spoilers for apocalypse down below*
Is that nanashi obtains godhood by killing everyone, then using the cosmic egg after defeating yhwh to create another universe. But as Stephen stated there's gonna be other messiahs coming after you since you basically went and screwed the other universe over like a tyrant, ie, you became another yhwh.
But in this one you take the role as a creator(in law/chaos)and will basically take a more active part. Plus with nahobino being as powerful they are its a safe bet they'll be a tough one to overcome specially with having both demon and human power. He doesn't have anyone gunning for him unlike nanashi who's guaranteed to be living with the consequences that another messiah will come after him.
@@zomboids2100 Nahobino is at best just like a Godslayer like the Fusion of krishna and flynn
i think when they become God of their universe then they got a massive power up
Atlus isnt making sense or dont try to, at first Lucifer said the Nahobino universe can be everlasting after consuming him
but then right at the ending its "nothing can last forever" shit again
@@zomboids2100 The funny thing is that everyone said that Yahweh could not be overcome until he was. The Nahobino thinking himself invincible, if anything, is dooming himself to end like Yahweh. I mean, what dynasty _doesn't_ think itself eternal? And how do all those dynasties end up? Or what, you actually think the Nahobino's circle jerk with humanity actually means anything? Stirner directly criticizes people for adopting humanity as their “new god”, if you will. Human exceptionalism and sanctity are just more spooks that have no real intrinsic value.
This game is truly underrated!
True Ending: Go against everything I just taught you, forget about Aogami (you know, the guy who repeated over and over again that he would protect you, no matter what), forget about Amanozako, Miyazu and all the other friends you made along the way. Better yet, erase them from existence!
Sure, great idea. That's exactly what I as a Shin Megami Tensei fan would like to see as the canon ending. To erase all the demons I came to love over the years of playing these games. Yeah, you totally get me Atlus...
Honestly, never have I ever felt worse about a "canon" ending to a game of this magnitude. I mean, all the endings really felt the same, not gonna lie, dunno if they cut out a lot of content, but it felt either rushed or unfinished. I don't know if they don't care as much about the ending of their game, even though they did significantly better jobs with their previous titles. I really liked it's connection to Nocturne, but ultimately I enjoyed Nocturne more.
The game is great, but if you decide to tell a story via dialogue and cutscenes but then your cutscenes are very, *very* similar and the dialogue ultimately doesn't differ in any real amount? Lucifer always says the same lines...you know, THE LAST FINAL BOSS, again and again the same lines, nothing to show you've sided with Chaos or with god, doesn't matter. Hell, even creating your own world without demons, the only the he essentially says is "Yeah, maybe"
There are always people who need to argue. Seriously, this game has a great story and great different endings. Period.
@@PhazonKing Have you played the other games? Because if you compare, the endings in this one fall flat. Also criticizing is a way to help the franchise we LOVE get better, and SMT can and already have done better, so lets not let Sega destroy Atlus by not criticizing when they do wrong.
The entire message this game contains is moving on from the old ways. This path concludes that message.
It's not the "canon" ending, it's just another ending like most SMT games. Humans and demons cannot coexist in the new world. For years, demons have been the root cause for nearing humanity to the brink of extinction. Not to mention the corrupt Gods. And so you have to sacrifice one or the other in order to create people. In the end a world for humanity is the better option.
@@obi-wankenobi4337 And why should humanity take priority? Humanity or rather human sanctity or human exceptionalism is just another spook. It has no value beyond what you place on it. I place _nothing_ on it.
@@DarkAdonisVyers Humanity and demon kind are not so different however, humanity is the lesser evil between the two.
Humanity has the ability to adapt and change. Demons cannot, they will always resort to a dog eats dog world. They've done it before God seized power and they continued to do it even afterwards. So for that, humanity has more value since there will always be a possibility for greatest and goodness. Demon kinds don't have that because it was never in their nature to do it.
20:03 sounds like the SMT 1 opening
Got the feeling SMTV wil get a directors cut version like SMT 3 with more endings, demons and other QoL stuff.
Would rather like that tbh instead of a SMT4:a.
Me too, would like some more dungeons and bosses. Even with DLC it felt very short.
@Every Woman Jobs To The Wall *Law
This.. sorta aged well
Anyone know the name of the song that plays at 21:43 ?
Idek why I'm here I'm not even halfway through the game
I did all the quests. Fused all the demons. Chose “destroy the throne” and still didn’t get the secret ending
I’m not sure what I should’ve done differently
You defeat shiva too?
@@delmoza4166 Having to kill shiva to get the ending is so dumb. After you kill him the final boss is an absolute joke.
@@user-ud5uo8fm4x Yeah I really hoped they made Lucifer lvl 99 after defeating shiva. Would've been so much more fun
@@delmoza4166 yep. And I did all of Khonsus quests. I have both of his forms fused
@@BeansEnjoyer911 I've heard you also need to do amanozoko quests. Did she join your party?
after finishing the game with this ending the story was really weak compared to smt4 and 4a
Yes, I am incredibly dissapointed. The rest of the game (besides the story) was amazing. It could've easily been a 9/10 for me. However, it collapsed near the end. It just seems so underwhelming. Also, the game was far too easy. The first area was the most challenging part of the entire game, because you don't have access to good buffs.
@@user-yi5mt2df5q The first boss and Lahmu maybe are the most difficult fights.
No when you understand where it is coming from. It is a sequel from the ending of nocturne.
@@nachot6592 never played it but the ending was still too short and not fun compaired to smt4a
Another couple points of disappointment for me:
* I wish there was a bit more interaction with the secondary characters. I'm not looking for Persona, but I did want to know them a bit better.
* When Koshimizu decides to turn on Bethel, I was expecting a lot of gods to show up to that meeting with Abdiel... there were only a few. Feels cheap.
* Some parts felt a bit rushed through development. I don't even know why they bothered, for example, with a map of Tokyo given how unimportant it was to the story.
* The endings were all pretty short and could have been a bit more dramatic. SMT Deep Strange Journey / Strange Journey Redux endings felt more epic to me.
The level designs (except for the stupid Demon King dungeon, which was just irritating as hell) were all great, though... so much exploration.
The true ending is the best ending. Let me explain.
-Law pulls everyone back in the matrix,just waiting thatvit gets broken again.
-Chaos just creates a very dangerous world where lots of people can become gods.
-Neutral prevents any creation, dooming the world.
-True neutral gets rid of demons and god while BREAKING THE MANDELA SYSTEM.
Imo secret ending is not the best, neutral one is. I think this because in time it will give the world most stability and isn't a genocide
15:11 (intence xenoblade flashbacks insue)
"A world with no gods"
I think of that Disturbed song, "Deify"...
after beating shiva, bosses after him is just plain cupcakes LOL, i dont even need to heal against any of the story bosses, anyway oot, how come theres no demon from islam belief in this game?
I feel like the 'secret ending' was a hint that the world has returned to Personas but that's just me.
Isn't the Persona universe meant to be SMT's but without the forces of Law and Chaos? If so, I think you very much might be on to something.
@@tomtik101 its set in a separate universe in-wich the events of smt 1 never happened
Personas and demons are literally the same thing bruh
🌬The path of the myriad God's & Goddesses ♾️🤟💨 even if the world is full of adversities & sadness, only the true truth will stand tall amongst it all & our will to endure & grow with infinite love & wisdom will always out weigh the negativity in contrast !
Typo says themsevles
Chaos ending is the only decent ending in this game. True Neutral ending is dumb the more you think about it. And Chaos has the best miracle reward.
Is Chaos ending the destory throne? Or the one that sides with Tsukiyomi?
@Every Woman Jobs To The Wall No, Humanity ending is True Neutral. Chaos ending is the Tsukuyomi route
Wow, so I actually got Chaos. Thought I would have gotten N. Seeing all these, only C. satisfied me. The others are rather lame IMHO. Happy I looked it up, rather then reply the game and getting disappointed. SMT V is a fantastic game though.
Mass Effect 3 all over again...
Pretty much.
Mass Effect 3 was a pretty bad ending of a whole trilogy of games. Those are just not that great endings of one game. They did try to make the law-chaos-neuteral choice kind of different this time though
@@user-ud5uo8fm4x different but not very interesting, I get that this is not a very story heavy game and it did it’s job to motivate me to the end of the game. But it just wasn’t as exciting, philosophical or as twisty as other SMT games. The major twist in my mind was who ended up being the law simp and who ended up being the chaos dude.
@@elgirl19 I still don't really understand who's the chaos guy. Like Raidou jr. thinks that the weak should die but he also doesn't like demons and the alternative version of his ending is clearly neutral. And yeah I agree that the endings aren't the best. I feel like they either had to be either as ambiguous as Nocturne, or actually show a bit of the world you changed like in SJ or 4. The red guy talking while nahobino just walks somewhere really was lame. Though I feel like the secret ending was kinda cool because there was no narration while walking and it had a little scene of the new world, even if this scene wasn't very interesting.
@Dávid Walter he literally says humans who don't have the will to stand up for themselves and fight don't deserve to live. not everyone is strong enough to do that
So the true ending is just atheistic Buddhism, ain't it? There are no Gods nor demons any more and everything is naturalistic in nature.
According to Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama), he was tempted by Mara (Demon).. so you be the judge rather there is or not..
@@randomplayzx there's no creator god in buddishm, In Buddhism the gods are part of the worlds of form and desire and therefore essentially finite and they become gods because they were good and achieved a bit of enlightenment. plus Buddha denied the existence of a creator god.
Everything is perspective, like i said you be the judge. I’m not here to debate..
These ending choices are almost as disappointing as mass effect 3
So what’s the canon ending?
There isn't a canon ending.
@@raccoonpesticides6083 in most games the secret ending is the cannon one
@@partyethtoon not in Megami Tensei
@@raccoonpesticides6083 also if it isnt that just means shiva destroys the universe in every ending that isnt the true one
@@partyethtoon not really. You can fight Shiva in every route. Once you kill him your world will be safe from complete destruction, even if it's a law or chaos world.
The fact that the japanese keep making games where you end up fighting God, destroy it or "trying to live a life without gods" really shows that they had no idea how stupidly OP the abrahamic God is.
OP as in overpowered, or something else?
I think the SMT games show that the Japanese have a pretty good understanding of what an authoritarian dictator Yahweh and his blindly following angels are.
In fact, one of the things I like best about SMT is how many times you get to kill this "supposedly good" god.
@@vorpal22 Overpowered. The thing is that you cannot beat God. It's literally impossible. Nor can you do someting outside his will. Again, its literally impossible.
God is basically the game developer. No matter what the characters do in the story in-game you cannot affect them.
You're assuming there is only one abrahamic God... When there is an entity that can just as powerful, there must be something else that created it, and one that created that one which created the abrahamic God, and the one before that, and so on.
@@nejiharuno I'm assuming there's only one abrahamic God because it is described as an eternal being.
A eternal being is outside time and encompasses everything, literally all there is is part of it yet it goes beyond it forever, be it time, space, matter or anything imaginable. There can be no beginning nor an end to it, nor anything exists outside of it because even infinity is contained inside it and it will always be infinity to infinity. And its unkillable because it is "being itself", existance. The alternative, which is nothingness, by definition cannot and does not exist
@@Artemisarrowzz I do agree with you that there is really just one Abrahamic god unless you are possibly into gnosticism, but that deviates quite a bit from what people think when you mention Jews, Christians, or Muslims, who all worship essentially the same god.
As for the rest of your post, we have no shortage of scientific models in which infinite regression is an issue: you cannot start with the axioms that an infinite regression exists, and thus god, much less Yahweh. You are just slapping a label on something that you seem to think reality needs, which it doesn't.
The number of times Genesis alone contradicts this god's supposed omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence speaks as to its legitimacy.
Sorry, but the correct answer was Hinduism. *sad trombone*
(I am kidding about that last sentence.)
Just to sum up, the "alternative" is not nothingness, and I don't know anyone who would claim otherwise. You are coming to the conclusion of god because you pose it as a false dilemma.