The IRT / IND / BMT merged in 1940. The huge Chambers Street shell was also designed to allow the Brooklyn Bridge trains to be diverted into the subway.
The R44s and R46s originally did not have the LCD signs. Those came around in 1990-1992 with the general overhaul (GOH) program. IND thought they could be cheap and decrease boarding time with 75 footer cars (but didn't increase the number of doors). Too bad the lack of extra doors actually increased boarding time.
honestly i wished the current modern el's that still exist could be rebuilt into nice concrete viaducts yk like modern els which are silent asf and also wished that the trackwork would become straighter and neater and nicer during revisions
Regarding the LIRR designation. For a very short time, I believe in the '90's a few subway cars were taken to the Hillside maintenance facility in an attempt to see if they could service subway cars there, if needed. I was an engineer then and when I was assigned, I would take an engine down to New Lots where our tracks met and we could pick up the trains. Once we were on electrified tracks they could run normally. However we'd have to run them as per union contract so we would generally take them all the way by engine. In addition in the up until, I believe the early 80's, could be wrong, when the subway system got new cars they would test them on LIRR tracks because we had a higher MAS and they could run the train at a high speed. We'd have to key down the grade level crossing gates because the trains could beat the gates coming down. From the who cares department.
Fun fact: the Pelham 123 is basically a trilogy, we got the 1974 original (W movie), the 1998 TV show (Canadian), and the 2009 remake (naw wtf did they do to the 142s) Fun fact: the MNR and LIRR programs for the R46s was because of a transit strike that was supposed to happen on the said railroads, if it did occur, we would’ve seen R46s and Subway employees running the lines while the MNR and LIRR workers were on strike. Fun fact: I believe the M1-6 were longer variants of the R44s and R46s, and the R44 was not tested on the LIRR to see if they could run it there, they tested it for it’s potential top speed, which is still the world record holder for fastest subway car.
Those R44s are underrated; they deserve to at least start a legacy, which I wanna see a tradition of running newer and newer trains on long tracks to test top speeds.
Dean st station had a token booth and turnstile. It was removed, supposedly due to low use, when they rehabilitated the line, making it single track along that stretch when it was double
When you consider that the plan with sending LIRR trains to Grand Central also involved making the Atlantic Branch mostly a shuttle to Jamaica rather than a through train, you might consider that at some point it will eventually be converted for use as rapid transit rather than commuter rail in the same way the Rockaway and Dyre Avenue lines were. All they need to do is to change the fare control area on the IRT platforms at Atlantic-Barclays, and figure out how to put in a fare control area for the new platform at Jamaica. How you move trains onto and off of that stretch of track may involve somehow creating a physical connection besides the one at A-B that connected to the inbound IRT local track, somewhere on the Queens end.
Those BMT cars were sent there to test the new cars out at higher speeds than what was possible on the subway. They passed inspection and went back to the subway
The Metro North & LIRR signage on subway cars might be there for emergency operations. If access to Penn Station via the East River tunnels, or the Park Avenue Viaduct to Grand Central Terminal, are blocked, the MTA can route commuters via the subway to / from Manhattan. To the best of my recollection, there are no remaining connections between the subway and Metro North - previously, the 2nd / 3rd Avenue EL connected to the New Haven just north of the bridge to Manhattan. The 9th Avenue EL, went it terminated at 155th Street / The Polo Grounds, shared that terminal with the New York & Putnam Railroad, an eventual subsidiary of the New York Central. The LIRR's Bay Ridge branch provides two or three possible connections to the subway system, but these are in diesel territory. The Staten Island line has / had a connection at St George to a freight railroad serving industries along the north and west shores of the island. I'm not sure who is currently operating that line, but at one point it was Delaware Otsego - aka the New York, Susquehanna & Western. Nearly all track on the island was originally built by the Baltimore & Ohio. On a side note, the Metro North facility is called Grand Central Terminal. The local post office and the subway stops are Grand Central Station. The reason is because GCT is the third railroad structure on the same site. Grand Central Station was there from the 1870s to the 1890s. It got a bit of a redesign and was renamed Grand Central Station. This was there from the 1890s to about 1910 - during which time the post office and subways were built. Between 1910 and 1913, the current terminal was built in the same footprint of the station while the station remained open. The construction photos are breathtaking!
@@TheTrainTheoristOfficial - yes, I remember the chatter about it, but I cannot recall whether it was idle talk or a major problem popped up to stop it. As an aside, heavy rail and rapid transit intermingled more readily a century-plus ago. Today, safety regulations are more stringent, and as a result of that the only subway cars certified to operate under their own power on a regular railroad are the Staten Island cars.
In addition to my last post. The third rail contact shoes on subway cars are compatible with LIRR but are not compatible with Metro-North. LIRR and subway third rail shoes run on top of the third rail were as Metro-North shoes run under the third rail.
the LIRR and Metro North being converted into Subway Lines does sound like an interesting concept, and in some cases, extremely easy to do but there comes many obstacles including the conversion of Metro North 3rd Rail to sort of the same kind of 3rd Rail seen on the Subway and LIRR, which will be a tedious task and then there's the issue of electrification of the LIRR's Diesel Branches, especially the case of the Oyster Bay Branch (the least electrified of the Diesel Branches, with electrification only covering East Williston, just one station) and the massive length of the Montauk Branch, I could see this becoming somewhat easy for the Lower Montauk Branch as no trains currently run that besides freight trains, so it wouldn't disrupt passenger service and would relieve congestion on the J Train in Queens, but for the actual Montauk Branch (Not including the Babylon Branch, which runs along the Montauk Branch between Jamaica and Babylon), that would be difficult
4:00 what you mean R110A/B technically count as a SMEE too? I am a bit confused. And also fun fact even though it doesn't count as part of New York City but the SMEE technology was also use in Tokyo metro fleet built between the 1950s-1960s call Eidan 300-500 series which funny enough to also almost resemble a redbird
I think you could have put some breaks like what level in the iceberg we are at and where is the topic at in the the iceberg level like idk which part of the iceberg we are at
Amazing stuff. Thank you for sharing this knowledge about the trains and about the NYC Subway system. Shoutout to you and all the other Rail fans that would appreciate the work done in this video. "New York City is Underground." is something we live by and the more folks are able to value the underground more, the more we imagine the system becoming the safest, cleanest, fastest and most spectacular system in the world. It starts with us and this video is an attribute to that. Massive respect to you and your team; keep up the awesome work. 🫶🫡
I recommend seeing a channel called BobbyBroccoli who uses similar tracks and even the same ones in his videos. There are A LOT of them, so I’ll just suggest his videos as a link to those songs.
I wasn't saying it was, any abandoned place will have graffiti, but not a lot of them will have sewage, like actual bags of sewage. I rummaged through photos on the internet for the pics, and doing that some of them include garbage in certain sections, though I'm not too sure which ones to be exact
The IRT / IND / BMT merged in 1940.
The huge Chambers Street shell was also designed to allow the Brooklyn Bridge trains to be diverted into the subway.
R211Ts came out yesterday and I rode one today.
Interesting accordion-looking gangways they have… they shake a lot but otherwise look pretty nice.
a video i genuinely never thought i needed
The R44s and R46s originally did not have the LCD signs. Those came around in 1990-1992 with the general overhaul (GOH) program. IND thought they could be cheap and decrease boarding time with 75 footer cars (but didn't increase the number of doors). Too bad the lack of extra doors actually increased boarding time.
honestly i wished the current modern el's that still exist could be rebuilt into nice concrete viaducts yk like modern els which are silent asf and also wished that the trackwork would become straighter and neater and nicer during revisions
I’m being honest idk why the mta didn’t keep the original R40/42 designs cuz they definitely look ahead for it’s time
They're old and doesn't function for a long time.
Um because it's old ? They are outdated and don't function well
@@shawnhall9792 Im taking about before the pre-goh design instead of changing them
Regarding the LIRR designation. For a very short time, I believe in the '90's a few subway cars were taken to the Hillside maintenance facility in an attempt to see if they could service subway cars there, if needed. I was an engineer then and when I was assigned, I would take an engine down to New Lots where our tracks met and we could pick up the trains. Once we were on electrified tracks they could run normally. However we'd have to run them as per union contract so we would generally take them all the way by engine. In addition in the up until, I believe the early 80's, could be wrong, when the subway system got new cars they would test them on LIRR tracks because we had a higher MAS and they could run the train at a high speed. We'd have to key down the grade level crossing gates because the trains could beat the gates coming down. From the who cares department.
Fun fact: the Pelham 123 is basically a trilogy, we got the 1974 original (W movie), the 1998 TV show (Canadian), and the 2009 remake (naw wtf did they do to the 142s)
Fun fact: the MNR and LIRR programs for the R46s was because of a transit strike that was supposed to happen on the said railroads, if it did occur, we would’ve seen R46s and Subway employees running the lines while the MNR and LIRR workers were on strike.
Fun fact: I believe the M1-6 were longer variants of the R44s and R46s, and the R44 was not tested on the LIRR to see if they could run it there, they tested it for it’s potential top speed, which is still the world record holder for fastest subway car.
Those R44s are underrated; they deserve to at least start a legacy, which I wanna see a tradition of running newer and newer trains on long tracks to test top speeds.
Dean st station had a token booth and turnstile. It was removed, supposedly due to low use, when they rehabilitated the line, making it single track along that stretch when it was double
You Changed Completly Suddenly.
At of all the Iceberg video out there this is the first MTA subway edition since there a LIRR was first . Overall Amazing video 😎
When you consider that the plan with sending LIRR trains to Grand Central also involved making the Atlantic Branch mostly a shuttle to Jamaica rather than a through train, you might consider that at some point it will eventually be converted for use as rapid transit rather than commuter rail in the same way the Rockaway and Dyre Avenue lines were. All they need to do is to change the fare control area on the IRT platforms at Atlantic-Barclays, and figure out how to put in a fare control area for the new platform at Jamaica. How you move trains onto and off of that stretch of track may involve somehow creating a physical connection besides the one at A-B that connected to the inbound IRT local track, somewhere on the Queens end.
Those BMT cars were sent there to test the new cars out at higher speeds than what was possible on the subway. They passed inspection and went back to the subway
The Metro North & LIRR signage on subway cars might be there for emergency operations. If access to Penn Station via the East River tunnels, or the Park Avenue Viaduct to Grand Central Terminal, are blocked, the MTA can route commuters via the subway to / from Manhattan.
To the best of my recollection, there are no remaining connections between the subway and Metro North - previously, the 2nd / 3rd Avenue EL connected to the New Haven just north of the bridge to Manhattan. The 9th Avenue EL, went it terminated at 155th Street / The Polo Grounds, shared that terminal with the New York & Putnam Railroad, an eventual subsidiary of the New York Central.
The LIRR's Bay Ridge branch provides two or three possible connections to the subway system, but these are in diesel territory.
The Staten Island line has / had a connection at St George to a freight railroad serving industries along the north and west shores of the island. I'm not sure who is currently operating that line, but at one point it was Delaware Otsego - aka the New York, Susquehanna & Western. Nearly all track on the island was originally built by the Baltimore & Ohio.
On a side note, the Metro North facility is called Grand Central Terminal. The local post office and the subway stops are Grand Central Station. The reason is because GCT is the third railroad structure on the same site. Grand Central Station was there from the 1870s to the 1890s. It got a bit of a redesign and was renamed Grand Central Station. This was there from the 1890s to about 1910 - during which time the post office and subways were built. Between 1910 and 1913, the current terminal was built in the same footprint of the station while the station remained open. The construction photos are breathtaking!
There were proposals in the 1990s to extend the archer avenue line along LIRR track to Locust Manor.
@@TheTrainTheoristOfficial - yes, I remember the chatter about it, but I cannot recall whether it was idle talk or a major problem popped up to stop it.
As an aside, heavy rail and rapid transit intermingled more readily a century-plus ago. Today, safety regulations are more stringent, and as a result of that the only subway cars certified to operate under their own power on a regular railroad are the Staten Island cars.
In addition to my last post. The third rail contact shoes on subway cars are compatible with LIRR but are not compatible with Metro-North. LIRR and subway third rail shoes run on top of the third rail were as Metro-North shoes run under the third rail.
the LIRR and Metro North being converted into Subway Lines does sound like an interesting concept, and in some cases, extremely easy to do
but there comes many obstacles
including the conversion of Metro North 3rd Rail to sort of the same kind of 3rd Rail seen on the Subway and LIRR, which will be a tedious task
and then there's the issue of electrification of the LIRR's Diesel Branches, especially the case of the Oyster Bay Branch (the least electrified of the Diesel Branches, with electrification only covering East Williston, just one station) and the massive length of the Montauk Branch, I could see this becoming somewhat easy for the Lower Montauk Branch as no trains currently run that besides freight trains, so it wouldn't disrupt passenger service and would relieve congestion on the J Train in Queens, but for the actual Montauk Branch (Not including the Babylon Branch, which runs along the Montauk Branch between Jamaica and Babylon), that would be difficult
Yeah, it is a tedious task, but was proposed with the archer ave line.
If one does come, can you an iceberg for the London Underground, like seriously the tube has a ton of stuff that’s worthy of an icerbeg
subbed love ur oc
Thank you :)
The Malbone street wreck happened in 1918
4:00 what you mean R110A/B technically count as a SMEE too? I am a bit confused.
And also fun fact even though it doesn't count as part of New York City but the SMEE technology was also use in Tokyo metro fleet built between the 1950s-1960s call Eidan 300-500 series which funny enough to also almost resemble a redbird
@nysubwaydude5634 To put it short The R110A/B falls into a weird place between the SMEE's And the NTT's, I only said SMEE's for simplicity's sake.
@@TheTrainTheoristOfficial okay make sense. Thanks for the explanation
The train cars spinoff would of been like chugginton or Thomas and friends
W video
I think you could have put some breaks like what level in the iceberg we are at and where is the topic at in the the iceberg level like idk which part of the iceberg we are at
Truth be told, this video was originally in 3 separate parts, and then I just stitched them together. I'll see if I could add Chapters to the video.
Amazing stuff. Thank you for sharing this knowledge about the trains and about the NYC Subway system. Shoutout to you and all the other Rail fans that would appreciate the work done in this video. "New York City is Underground." is something we live by and the more folks are able to value the underground more, the more we imagine the system becoming the safest, cleanest, fastest and most spectacular system in the world. It starts with us and this video is an attribute to that. Massive respect to you and your team; keep up the awesome work. 🫶🫡
WTAENYC, I never thought you would comment tho I did spot the background which was one of your videos!
What's the sauce for the music tracks used in this video?
I recommend seeing a channel called BobbyBroccoli who uses similar tracks and even the same ones in his videos.
There are A LOT of them, so I’ll just suggest his videos as a link to those songs.
The malbone wreck did not happen in the 1800s the wreck happened in 1918
Ah shit, forgot about that.
Close enough 🤷♂️
Intresting video .. the word BASICALLY must have been used over 25x🤔
I'm in love with that word.
Hey pal graffiti isnt sewage watch ya mouth 😂
I wasn't saying it was, any abandoned place will have graffiti, but not a lot of them will have sewage, like actual bags of sewage. I rummaged through photos on the internet for the pics, and doing that some of them include garbage in certain sections, though I'm not too sure which ones to be exact
Forgot trains use to go across the Brooklyn bridge. The original IRT line from city hall cross 42st to times square and up to 135st station.