Just Flight Piper PA-28 Warrior II | In-Depth Review with Real Commercial Instructor | FS2020
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- A full review of Just Flight's new Piper Warrior II add-on for Microsoft Flight Simulator, with real world operating data!
So, having blundered around with the pre-release copy for a bit, I finally got down to properly testing the full release version of this aircraft... and then my recording died half way through the flight and a 40GB patch hit. Hopefully at least some of you are still interested in what I've got to say!
0:00 Introduction
02:35 The Real Aircraft
08:03 Visual Model & Liveries
15:41 Preflight, Startup and Taxi
44:15 Take off & Climb
51:45 General Handling
1:06:00 Autopilot & Cruise
1:10:30 Descent & Join
1:13:42 Circuits
1:24:27 My Conclusion
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This footage was created by a real world commercial pilot and current commercial flight instructor. Although you may use this for learning purposes, it is recommended as guidance only and should not substitute any training from your ATO. It is intended to merely provide an insight into real world commercial training operations at a school we are familiar with and to enhance your desktop simulator experience. We are in no position to share or copy any company-specific data. If you are a trainee Private or Commercial Pilot, please refer to your approved training/company documentation ONLY.
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Software used:
Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 - Ігри
Wow! This was the best review ever of a plane in msfs. Thanks a million for taking so much time to do this video 👍👍👍👍
You’re welcome! Glad you enjoyed it.
Very nice video. The Piper Cherokee Warrior (N303GS) was the airplane that I got my PPL in several years ago, and it's so great that Just Flight seems to have nailed the authenticity of that wonderful little trainer. The sounds in the cockpit are spot-on and the only thing that I found lacking was the smell of the leather seats and the aroma of the worn carpet. It was great riding along with you. Thank you so much!
Yep, they got the atmosphere spot on with this one I think. Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video, thanks! I'm 10 hours into my training in the Warrior and this add-on came along at just the right time, it's brilliant. I'm not so worried about the textures, as I want to practice the lessons I've gone through in the real aircraft.
PS Thanks for the Avionics switch, I couldn't find it either! :D
Thanks! Good luck with your PPL :)
This aircraft handles nothing like the real life plane
Great review of this little jewel, as are all of your reviews which I really like and enjoy, watching them from start to finish...a big thank you!
Enrico
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for this really good video FFH!
It is full of good information about the plane itself and some good flying tips along the way
Glad you enjoyed it!
Such a fantastic review. Thanks a lot for spending your time to give us a serious overview how the plane behaves.
I considered to buy this beauty but I wasn’t really sure if it fits to me liking but now I’m sure it will.
Stay healthy mate
Thanks for the kind words! I’m glad it helped you make an informed purchase 👍
Brilliant review and tutorial. I've just purchased this from JustFlight and will be flying one in real life in the near future. Thank you for the content
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. Best of luck on your flight!
Goodness this was a fun watch, thank you! Great review.
Glad you enjoyed it!
New-ish subscriber - really look forward to your videos now! Super informative!
Good to hear!
I know I'm late to the party, but fantastic review, sir! Just bought this plane and am excited to fly her!
Thanks! Hope you enjoy it.
I just bought the plan yesterday. Thanks for the nice review. I actually looked longer for the avionic master switch :)
Glad to hear I’m not the only one who struggled with that!
1:30:00 es ist soo detailreich ! tolle ! Ich liebe dieses Flugzeug so viel Liebe in dieser Arbeit
Great review with a lot of extra-information, which is very helpful for a fresh PPL-holder like me 👍Thanks a lot!
BTW: There‘s an update available, which fixes the starter issue with the Honeycomb yoke.
Thanks! Best of luck with your flying too!
Just as a FYI for anyone watching, there is a fix for the honeycomb mags included. You just have to rename the honeycomb engine config file to engine.cfg (included in the folder, don't forget to backup the original!) :)
Thanks for the info!
It’s really the perfect plane to learn the first rules of flight ! I have discover fs2020 in November 2020 and this plane offer me the first real impression that I’m not in a sim 😅 I know I’m always in fs2020 but it’s not a game when you flight with pa28, you feel the weight of plane in your hand ! I can’t explain more with my poor English but this one is my favorite plane and I’m really pleased to prepare all week a vfr experience in all around the world ! The second one is the Mooney M20R Ovation 😁 thanks for your full review 😘👍
You’re welcome! Glad to hear you’re enjoying it.
Wow THANKS for a brilliant review. I sat and watched the whole thing!
I go up in this plane with my mate and now I know what he's doing when he flies it ( a few videos in my channel )
This might just make me buy Microsoft flight sim 2020 and this plane addon - oh, plus a flight yoke and throttle etc etc - so, I reckon you owe me about £230 quid ;-)
Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it 😊
I really enjoyed the flight, thank you so much for a great informative video! It would be great if you could do a cross country flight in the Warrior in IFR conditions using basic VOR and ADF navigation - no GPS! for those of us still learning. With you being a flying instructor I think that would be really exciting "old school" flying before the days of High Tech GPS navigation. We flight simmers always want more - never satisfied - LOL. thanks again.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the suggestion, I’ll put it on our list of ‘to do’ for the future 😁
excellent video sir.
Thanks 😊
Brilliant. Highly informative. As a little kid, Dad warned me about the old Cherokees and how low hour pilots could get into some trouble. This follow on aircraft is obviously a leap ahead from that. Very nice and if I ever take up virtual flying, I should use this Just Flight PA-28 Warrior to learn good (virtual) airmanship. Keep up the great work.
Future virtual sims? If they can simulate that awful smell of cooking avionics and interior when you first get into the aircraft on a hot day. As Bugs Bunny used to say, "easy stomach", don't turn over now."
Ahh yes, ‘smellovision’ in VR would be a real experience 😂
Very well done.
Thank you!
Great Video ...beautiful airplane....
Thanks!
@FlyFromHome back in 1979 I got my ppl and flew Cessna 152 and 172...
But the flight school also had a couple of Warrier Ii and a Piper Arrows...
It was love at first sight...she was fast ..she looked like a fighter plane.
If I ever buy a plane...
I will strain up to own one..
🐦
The Arrow is a great plane, can definitely recommend taking one out for a spin (not literally though)!
Incredibly comprehensive, I learned a lot, thank you.
Thank you, that’s good to hear!
… one word … brilliant👏
Thank you!
Hey mate thanks for the review,, I am not a trainee pilot in real life but I am in msfs and I bought this and just love it.. I also bought the crj for later down the track but that will be a slow process. I am thinking of doing my real pilot training and getting some valuable info before I start
This is a great plane to learn the ropes of flying in MSFS I think. Glad you enjoyed the review!
Very nice video! I've been in contact with a local flight school and likely to start lessons next week (EGTR). And like so many others, this is what they are mostly teaching their students with. Glad to hear that it's very close to the actual plane. The only thing I'm worried about is if I fit comfortably to the plane, as I'm 6'2" and quite bulky :)
You should be fine, I’ve taught a few big chaps in Pa-28s and they always found it comfortable. Hope you enjoy it!
You'll be pleasantly surprised when you climb into the Cherokee Warrior. I'm 6'4 and I fit into the cockpit quite nicely, despite my 35" legs. 😀 It's a bit of an effort climbing over the right seat but once you settle in and move back the left seat It's very comfortable.
@@nathanwildthorn6919 Well, my first flight was yesterday (earlier got cancelled due to weather) and I was mostly fine :) only "problem" was during the initial control check was the yoke hitting my thighs rather annoyingly, if not distruptively :) The experience was incredible. Now quite what I anticipated, but definitely got the bug. Next flight is next Saturday, UK weather prohibiting :)
@@pitbullvicious2505 I do agree with the yoke/thigh issue; at that time I weighed around 290 lbs and at first flying with my knees splayed outwards and still keeping my size 15 feet on the rudder pedals was cumbersome, I managed to adapt very quickly. Enjoy!
Great video, I wish you were my CFI lol
Ha, not sure my students would agree! 😂
Awesome video... I am really starting to appreciate this aircraft... I would also like to say that Justflights documentation is excellent... the User manuals are so clear and straight to the point... one question, I am using the GTN 750 free add-on, but rather than having the blanking plate to the right of the main GTN 750 GPS, I get a second GPS... how did you manage to get the blanking plate...
Thanks! Yep, the included documentation is excellent.
I’m not sure! I just installed the mod and that’s how it looked! Perhaps if you scroll through the iPad options you can get a single GPS setup? Or maybe it’s been changed since I filmed this video? 🤔
Great review and lovely approaches. I have one question about the rudder, when I deflect my peddles, the aircraft turns way more rapidly, than what I saw yours in the video. So quick question, what do you have your sensitivity set to?
Thanks! I have -40% set for the sensitivity of my pedals for light aircraft flying, with 60% reactivity. Seems to generate an appropriately 'heavy' feel.
Thanks for the preview. I used to fly Warriors out of PDK. One recommendation is to not deploy flaps while banked in a turn. Wait until you level the wings first. Stall speed is higher in a turn and lift is not opposite gravity. You risk ballooning, increasing your AOA in the turn and stalling low and slow.
Yeah that is something we’re usually cautious about in real life, also because of the risk of asymmetric flap extension. You fly Pa28s long enough though your yoke hand automatically pushes forward to compensate when you deploy flap 😂
Brilliant review. Makes you wonder what they take off and don't put back on that would be concerning👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it 😊
Wooo!
Magneto key starter on my HoneyComp work just fine to start the engine, I did not have to edit any file, this aircraft is my new favorit in the sim, much nicer to fly than the Arrows, especial in landings.
Sounds like the latest MSFS hotfix fixed that issue then. Good to hear!
I wish they had a glass cockpit version. I’m currently training for my PPL in one of these, but it has a glass cockpit and in game it’s all analog and you can see where the transition gets difficult
I owned a 1968 Piper Cherokee for 15 years. I really do miss it, I hate the fact the maintenance bills just kept getting larger and larger, so I got rid of it in favor of a 1995 Cessna 172. I still prefer the low wing myself, and cannot see myself loving this Cessna anywhere near as much.
Yeah, gotta love the old Warrior!
Me: *casually clicks on video*
Me: omg 1 hour and 43 minutes!
:p
Thanks for the incredible review! I have the Honeycomb yoke too and am trying to get it to feel as close to the real thing as possible. Would you mind sharing what sensitivity settings you use for yours?
Glad you enjoyed the video!
My settings can be found via the following link - imgur.com/a/RMV8fyv
Hopefully you can view that!
@@FlyFromHome Thanks so much!
The steeks down the cowling is aluminium oxide as that corner of the cowling rubs on the cowl tape, on the older Warriors there would be cunks missing or packed.
Interesting! We had a Tomahawk with a hole in the cowling where the baffling round the engine had rubbed though it 😂
Damn that looks really nice... would love to try it out, but I only got to fly the real one so far
It’s good but it doesn’t beat the real thing 😂
Wow fantastic video!! Question, is there a way to customize the instrument panel? Like each one individually. I am currently in training to get my PPL and thought it would be great if I could make the panel exactly like the plane I’m flying because they have upgraded a couple of the instruments. Thanks!
You can mod it to change the colour and appearance but I'm not sure about instrument layout etc.
Great review! I use the default GPS and select the CDI and NAV and all is good. I am not familiar with the 750. I have the 750 in X-Plane but don't use it.
Thanks! Yeah these bugs were sorted out a few days after I filmed that flight. The 750 mod has loads of great functionality that is missing from the default 650 and 430 - it’s well worth a look if you want something a bit more realistic 😊
THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT REVIEW ! I HAVE A QUESTION - SHOULD I BUY JUST FLIGHT PA-28 WARRIOR ll OR THE PA-28R ARROW lll ? WHICH ONE DO YOU RECOMMEND ?
Depends what kind of flying you prefer! The Arrow is faster but a little more complicated to fly. The Warrior is slower but nice and simple.
@@FlyFromHome Thanks for your answer 😊 !
@AstroCat Just to be clear, you only get a discount when buying the Arrow. If you choose the Warrior there's no discount back to the Arrow's. Just wanted to make that clear. Thanks JF.
Thank you very much for this video, it's helped me get some confidence I need. I am going to start training soon. This is the plane I will use. I cannot get this plane of XBOX series X. They have the PA28 181 Archer and the PA28R Arrow III. My question is this, if I cannot get this (which I cant) which of these two should I be practicing with? Which is close to the plane I will fly?
The Archer is just a slightly more powerful version of this aircraft, so that is more in line with what you will be flying I’d imagine. Good luck with your training!
@@FlyFromHome Thank you very much.
Looks very nice, thanks for the review. I really disappointed with the textures on the arrow III, I hope a texture update will come.
Yeah some of the textures are a little poorer than what we’re used to in FS2020 now. They do it to keep frame rates high, but I’m sure if they manage to optimise the plane further they’ll improve the textures accordingly.
A long video you say, I just set the playback speed to 1.75 it's also easier to remember all the information when a "short" time has passed from the start of the video to its end 😊
Waiting for JF to come out with an Archer! I have hundreds of hours in the 180/181.
Yep that would be cool to see!
Looking forward to its arrival some day into Xbox!
Wow, still waiting as JF states its on Microsoft why its not. Oh well
Some people on both Just Flight's and FlightSim's forums report having a severe pitch jerking issue with this plane. A couple of threads on the subject. Your review - very informative by the way thank you - seems to predate this pitching problem which seems to have appeared with SU9. Are you aware of it, are you experiencing it now, and do you still recommend this PA28 Warrior ? Thank you.
I haven’t flown this aircraft in some time but I wouldn’t be surprised if people are having issues. I believe JF are holding off on any flight model changes until at least SU10. I’ll have a fly round at the weekend and see what it’s like.
Thanks, yes if you could have another look that would be great. You mention at the beginning of your review that you are familiar with the Warrior, do you feel that JF's sim is about right as far as engine power is concerned ? Reason why I'm asking is because I am not familiar with the Warrior, however I am very familiar with the Archer (which I've been flying at the local airclub for a few decades now), so I increased the engine's power from 160 to 180hp in the engines.cfg file to mimic ther engine power of the Archer but it seems to be overpowered I think. If I bring it back to 160hp, I have about the amount of power I get in the real Archer. I may even need to lower to 150hp.
Coming back to the pitch jerking issue. Ideally I was looking for an Archer but I couldn't find a good one around for MSFS. So I acquired this Warrior yesterday and I see where people are coming from. It's as if the turbulence effects that have been added with SU9 are amplified in this particular aircraft. The jerking exists in the real one (well... the Archer in my case at least), it's just the magnitude of it that's a problem.
First of all amazing video second of all can you please make a video on how you read the chart
Thanks! Which chart do you mean, the VFR one?
Thanks for the vid.
I'm wondering, when I take off in the piper on msfs I'm getting 100knts and 10-15 vertical speed which is different from the poh.
I'm not sure what's going on, do you have any insight to why this may be happening?
Have a look at our latest video, I explain some of what’s happed to this aircraft on there.
is there something I missed during installation? I have bought this but the internal cockpit is not fully functional, some things dont work, no EFB, cant adjust mixture/throttle, yoke is idle etc
Try reinstalling? Removing mods? If that fails shoot JF an email.
Wonderful! I fly the Warrior III in real life and I’ve decided to purchase MSFS 2020 to master it. What version of MSFS is it in, and is there any PC requirements for it? Thank you.
Hi there! This is FS2020, right here so you’re in luck. You can find the plane in the in-game store or on Just Flight’s website.
@@FlyFromHome Ah thanks!
Hello,
First, congratulations for all of your videos. I learn so much, even if I do not amways anderstand everything you say : I'm french ...
I have one question: Except if I did not take care, You are in standard meteorological conditions.
So at 3000', the temperature should be 9°C . The thermometer indicates 10°C. Why do you put (about 50 minutes after the beginning of the video) 5°C ?
Thank you and one more time, congratulations.
Friendly
Do you mean on the TAS subscale for the airspeed indicator or the performance graph? Either way, both times I think I have it lined up correctly at about +10 degrees?
My honeycomb switch works fine, it holds on start as long as I hold it
Yep, I think they fixed it soon after the big MSFS patch came out.
How dod you push your plane back the way that you did. Shift P only brings the tow bar but how does the plane actually get pushed back like the way you did it?
Pretty sure I just hit shift-P!
On approach I keep getting myself in situation where I cannot stabilize this aircraft horizontally. I keep moving left to right and left again.
Also I've noticed that on turns about 30deg bank angle with rudder input for coordinated flight when I go back from turn to level flight the ball of turn coordinator started to move in opposite direction even if I used other rudder pedal input.
Can you help me? What am I doing wrong?
Approach speed is 75, second notch of flaps, no winds
The method I usually teach is to keep the wings as level as possible and use the rudder to maintain the centreline on final approach. Tends to help if you’re struggling with over correcting on final.
I’m not quite sure what you mean with the balance ball, but it won’t give particularly reliable indications when changing attitude, so I wouldn’t worry too much about that. Use opposite rudder to help level the wings if you’re using a steep angle of bank (45 degrees or more) otherwise just relax rudder pressure as you return to wings level 👍🏻
You think it’s better to get the X-Plane warrior 2 just flight or this one for realism and training
I’ve never tried X Plane, but I can say with some confidence that the MSFS version is very accurate.
@@FlyFromHome thanks for reply
Will this be on xbox this is the same aircraft i flew in
I’m not sure! Try contacting Just Flight.
I found this both difficult to spin, and also unreliable to recover once fully developed. The combination confuses me.
The real aircraft isn’t cleared for spinning, but from what I’ve heard from incidents where the aircraft has spun accidentally that sounds about right. You have to mishandle the aircraft severely to make it spin, but once it’s set in it can be very tricky to recover.
You certainly have to be friends with your copilot to go flying around in this tiny thing. You're both practically elbow to elbow.
I knew a guy who owned an old Cessna 152, his wife hated that thing because she was a rather big lady and had the same problem. Now he co-owns something bigger but I forget what make and model it is.
As someone who has spent thousands of hours squeezed into things like this, I can confirm that they’re not for people with personal space issues.
Is this better than the xp11 version ?
I’ve not tried the XP version! I expect they’re very similar.
In a long flight what is the usual flight altitude?
Depends on a lot of things! Usually for a small aircraft like this one with a normally aspirated (non-turbocharged) engine, you aim to be between 4 and 6 thousand feet, since that’s where the engine is most efficient. But all sorts of things like terrain, airspace obstacles and the like can dictate what altitude you fly at 😁
@@FlyFromHome - Thanks, I was referring to flat terrain under reasonable conditions. The engine efficiency is the key to the answer. Thanks again.
But what is the highest altitude that is allowed in this plane?
Really these make it to Xbox once WASM is sorted
do you fly the q400 in real life?
Used to for a little while, Jimbo still does though! I might get back to it one day if I’m lucky.
You never leaned the mixture after engine start, you will foul the spark plugs this way. Your use of carburetor heat after lining up on the runway was completely unnecessary, POH states you only use that if you suspect ice. PA28 are not prone to carburetor ice like Cessna's, plus you were going to go into a take of at full power anyways.
I’ve never encountered any information stating that leaning is required in a warrior while taxiing, although I’m happy to be proved wrong if you have a link. Most of the techniques we use are designed to teach students good practice for basic SEPs in general, not just Warriors - that said a friend of mine had a crash due to a loss of power just after takeoff in a Grumman Cheetah - which the investigators attributed to a lump of ice lodging itself into the carb after power was applied. I believe the AA-5A has the same engine as the Warrior 🤷🏻♂️
@@FlyFromHome the reason you lean aggressively after engine start, taxi, is so the spark plugs don't get fowled with lead residue. This happens because the fuel mixture is too rich and isn't being burned off at low power. When you go do the runup the engine one day will run rough because of this. If you aggressively lean and attempt to take off without enriching then the engine will sputter and cough, you'll remember to enrichen the mixture. Also on high altitude airports you want to learn for best power done in the runup. About carburetor ice, that other airplane you mentioned is different, and should be operated differently regardless of engine similarities. The PA28 warrior 2 is a 160hp airplane. The carburetor is in a unique location where it's warmer than on Cessna's that are notorios for ice. You should test the carburetor lever on each flight, but in that situation you were in the sim it's not actually clearing any ice, Ive flown in full IFR with these bird in just above freezing temps and never touched that carb ice lever, I do have my hand ready if I suspect ice building in the carburetor. Happens very rarely. 2cents
Yep I do realise why you lean for taxi, I’ve just never seen any manufacturer’s docs recommending it for the Warrior. It’s generally more of a practice for aircraft with larger, high power engines. I used to fly a Comanche 250, in which it was vital to lean out. It also used to ice up on the ground quite aggressively too!
Regarding the carb ice, I appreciate that the Warrior is less susceptible to icing than Cessnas are, but our flying school uses a variety of different types and the techniques we teach are designed to promote good airmanship in general. You really don’t lose anything by running a short blast of carb heat before take-off following a long taxi - better to be safe than sorry in my book 😊
@@FlyFromHome The Manufacturer's docs on the old birds are almost like a Brochure, does not encompass everything specially the performance graphs which are bare bones. I have no experience on a 250 Comanche but I do on a twin Comanche which is fuel injected, not the same deal. Another point I want to bring up on why you shouldn't taxi with carb heat on is that you're now bringing unfiltered air (bypassing the air filter) now that air is close to the ground, dust, rocks, bugs can get into the engine when the PA28 was perfectly happy a second ago. If you suspect carb ice, use the lever and don't hesitate as but with the PA28 you really have to try to get carb ice in the air, on the ground its unheard of.
Carb heat usage on the ground is part of the power check procedures as per the checklist - if it was so harmful to the engine I’m sure they wouldn’t prescribe doing it when you’re sat at 2,000rpm and stationary. I’ve definitely experienced carb icing on the ground before in some aircraft and as mentioned - we’re not just teaching students to fly warriors. Last thing I’d want to do is teach a freshly minted PPL that carb icing doesn’t happen. Let’s just agree to disagree before we turn the comments into PPRUNE 😉
can you stop the jerky camera work?
Rather have good model and JF’s flight model, than excellent externals but Caranado’s cookie cutter flight model.
I agree. That said, a couple of the new Carenado planes do have very good flight models.
Really good video man, but you talk waaaaaayyyy to much!
😂
I fly GA exclusively in MSFS and this is my aeroplane of choice until I can find a Beech C23 Sundowner.
It’s not a bad choice for sure!
I wish they had a glass cockpit version. I’m currently training for my PPL in one of these, but it has a glass cockpit and in game it’s all analog and you can see where the transition gets difficult
I’d imagine it’s because glass cockpit Pa-28s are very rare! I’ve never seen one in all the years I’ve been flying. Lucky that you’re getting to fly one for training, that must be fun 👍🏻